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March 31, 2013 at 2:14 pm #786396
Talaki34Participantcs in hp – I am inclined to agree that the time for ending NV is now given the current circumstances, but I am not so sure that just moving everyone on is the whole answer either.
I live in Arbor Heights. Being on the southern end of WS has its advantages and disadvantages. One of the very few disadvantages is the homeless moving through the area. Some mornings I will see the homeless making their way quietly from WC, Burien and the unincorporated area (Sleeping areas) to where I guess they spend the day. I can only describe them as ghostly apparitions. Sometimes I find it a little disconcerting that they move so silently through our neighborhoods while we sleep. Most would never think of ever harming anyone, but there are those that would have no hesitation to do whatever to get what they want and they hideout among the homeless.
Having spent many years living in the projects and then eventually finding myself adrift for a brief time as I entered adulthood, I can tell you that even the most benign of the street people attract crime. There are so many horrid people that feed off their inability to defend themselves it is unreal. Rapes, beatings, muggings are just a few things that can befall the true disenfranchised. Close proximity to others is no guarantee that one is safe either.
NV was supposed to afford some relief to certain problems of living isolated on the street. I think that maybe in the beginning it did. However, it seems that over time the bullies and those that would feed off misery took over and we now have a very different NV.
Most people have been waiting/hoping for the Mayor to step in and do something. This is unrealistic and has wasted valuable time. Like I was trying to say in an earlier post, government does not generally step in with any viable solutions until they are actually proposed by the citizens they represent. Now is the time to think of possible solutions.
On the side…Is there someone in the HP association that I may contact about this?
March 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm #786397
JoBParticipantTalaki34 has stated eloquently what i have been trying to say.
If anyone thinks getting Nickelsville to move on is going to end homelessness in Arbor Heights or any other part of West Seattle, they are sadly mistaken.
While it is true that Nickelsville has made us all more aware of the homeless among us.. they have always been there and our current economy has created a new class of homeless people who don’t have the skills to survive on our streets.
You can run a bulldozer through Nickeslville without changing a thing.
There will still be homeless people looking for someplace anyplace to hide themselves away.
Unless Nickelsville’s end is combined with some plan that will not only move those who are currently in Nickelsville out of our area but attract those who are currently living in our wooded areas and on the back porches of our businesses…
homelessness in West Seattle is going to continue to be a major problem…
perhaps more so because there will be no centralized system for delivering goods and services.
We need to be advocating for far more than an end to Nickelsvuille if we want to remove those ghostly presences from our midst.
March 31, 2013 at 4:03 pm #786398
cs in hpParticipantSure Talaki34, I’m happy to discuss with you. Let me know your email here. I will not be posting any more in the forums section, but want to get this out there: HPAC’s stance is not, nor has it ever been, “move on” and that has been apparent in our approach from the beginning. It is not fair to say or imply that, especially without having participated in our discussions with neighbors, with those living in the encampment, with the police, with the mayors office, with the city council, and with the health department – all of whom have attended our meetings and we have met with outside of our monthly meetings. Those that are truly affected by the encampment and those that are concerned one way or the other have been showing up to our meetings or communicating with us directly whenever Nickelsville is on the agenda. Our agenda is posted here on WSB every month for anyone to see. I don’t believe we’ve met, but I do feel that HPAC is representing what the Highland Park and Riverview neighborhoods are feeling at this point – we have been very measured and careful about making sure of that. These are the neighborhoods closest to the encampment, and these are the neighborhoods HPAC represents.
March 31, 2013 at 4:11 pm #786399
Talaki34ParticipantIs there a private mode where I can post my email address?
March 31, 2013 at 4:32 pm #786400
JanSParticipantthere is no PM function here..but you can spell it out like this: mmfeelgood at gmail dot com (that’s mine)
March 31, 2013 at 4:39 pm #786401
Talaki34ParticipantNo, cannot do that. My email includes my whole name.
March 31, 2013 at 4:52 pm #786402
JiggersMemberHey Jan.. where did anyone here claim that they ARE ALL BUMS?
March 31, 2013 at 5:10 pm #786403
elikapekaParticipantTalaki, your posts on this subject have been very eloquent and spot on. You’ve said exactly what I have been thinking, but you’re said it much better.
If you want to communicate with others privately, you can make up an e-mail address that you use just for that purpose. No need to give out one that has more personal info than you would like.
Ditto for cs in hp – I agree your neighborhood has been very open and done much more than most would. Your responses have been measured and reasonable. Good work.
I hope a solution can be found for everyone. It’s a difficult situation, and probably the first thing to do is stop trying to put everyone that is homeless into the same box. Like any population, there are all types of people with all kinds of needs. One size does not fit all.
March 31, 2013 at 5:11 pm #786404
Talaki34Participantcs in hp – I will send my email address to HPAC’s contact email address.
March 31, 2013 at 5:15 pm #786405
JanSParticipantjiggers….there are multiple references to bums, meth heads, leeches, run out of town on a rail…it’s very sad, because we both know that’s not the truth totally.
Going outside to enjoy the sun and cherry blossoms now :)
March 31, 2013 at 5:22 pm #786406
JiggersMemberJan.. this is what you said.
“But then I never thought people would generalize about everyone at NV being bums.”
Who said they were all bums Jan?
March 31, 2013 at 5:34 pm #786407
Talaki34ParticipantEmail came back as undeliverable. :(
March 31, 2013 at 5:52 pm #786408
KevinParticipantI find it interesting that the only folks that seem to want Nickelsville to move on, are not even in the same neighborhood that Nickelsville is located in.
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According to the City Clerks Office, Nickelsville is actually located within the boundaries of the South Park neighborhood! I don’t recall seeing much if any negativity from the South Park residents regarding Nickelsville being in their back yard.
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http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/public/nmaps/S/NN-1470S.htm
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March 31, 2013 at 8:48 pm #786409
hammerheadParticipantUm because south park isn’t that much better and it is most industrial.
March 31, 2013 at 9:34 pm #786410
Talaki34ParticipantLOL! I was wondering when someone was going to bring up South Park.
While you are 100% correct they are in South Park, but like hammerhead pointed out you have failed to include that NV is in the industrial area and is for the most part isolated from much of the South Park community. Because of accessibility issues, I would think the residents of NV would probably utilize the areas up the hill.
I don’t think most people really want to send the residents packing without some kind of resolution. Many of the same people who are voicing concern now have tried to help individually or through local organizations when they could. Unfortunately there comes a time when decisions have to be made, especially the tough ones. For two years NV has been operating under the disguise of a camp united, we are hearing now many are struggling to survive in a very inhospitable place. Too afraid to leave and not wanting to stay.
I hope that people in the community will try to find some solutions. This area is filled with talented people. Architects, engineers, construction/developers, individuals well versed in sustainable living, doctors, lawyers and every career field in between. We literally have a wealth of knowledge waiting to be accessed. Solutions for those wanting help can be found.
March 31, 2013 at 10:20 pm #786411
JiggersMemberIf South Park residents actually cared they would have already done so, but they didn’t. HPAC cared and told the city. So should the city let them continue on in their present condition and hope it will get better? Ah… yes here come the wishful thinkers..
March 31, 2013 at 11:00 pm #786412
JanSParticipantjiggers, I quote “Bums have been around far longer than I have.
They are bums. Looking for a hand-out. Nothing wrong with that. Eventually they get the “bums’ rush”.
I think that is what is happening here. The bums are getting the bums’ rush outta here.”
and again…”JoB:
Nobody has to throw the bums anywhere.
They will find a temporary home. Leeching on those who pity them, cry for them, and care for them.
Then, it will be obvious to darn near everyone, they are bums.
And they will move on.
To the next group of suckers.
Forever….
Goodbye, to the bums who call their latest village “Nickelsville”.
I am sure you will clean up after yourselves. ROFL.”
“I had a dream last night. I dreamt that the Snickersville folks all got together and did something positive for the West Seattle community. In my dream, they all moved out of Dodge. They decided, wow, we are leeches of the first order, and have suckered enough good folks. Perhaps it is time to move on to North Dakota. The weather is warming up…lot of oil money there…”
Nice, huh…
March 31, 2013 at 11:33 pm #786413
JoBParticipantTalaki34
” Because of accessibility issues, I would think the residents of NV would probably utilize the areas up the hill.”
it’s a lot easier to walk or take a bus across the bridge and access services along 1st or 4th avenue.. and the majority of the residents of Nickelsville do just that..
second easiest.. catch the bus or walk up the hill to White Center.. and some residents regularly do that.
least easy.. catch the bus to West Seattle or walk up the hill to Arbor Heights… the fewest residents choose that option
April 1, 2013 at 12:45 am #786414
Genesee HillParticipantGorgeous day, today, JoB,
How many NV pals were out doing something good for the West Seattle community? Other than begging.
Let me guess. None.
April 1, 2013 at 1:37 am #786415
JanSParticipantGenesee Hill..it was a beautiful day….
how many of your neighbors were out doing something good for the West Seattle community? What did you do today?
April 1, 2013 at 1:49 am #786416
Genesee HillParticipantYard work. Dang it, Jan. Yard work.
April 1, 2013 at 2:04 am #786417
JanSParticipantApril 1, 2013 at 4:13 am #786418
WSBKeymasterNickelsville is in West Seattle, not South Park. Been through that one already. City boundaries are completely out of touch with the world … the city maps have names for WS neighborhoods, for example, that don’t even exist.
That aside:
Actually, South Park DOES care and has discussed it. Almost in parallel. There was an extremely heated discussion on their Yahoo! group a few months back. (It is a very busy e-mail list that is a combination of forum and news site.) Search the archive for Nickelsville and in particular look for a November 2012 (or vicinity) thread called “Nickelsville isn’t a problem, huh?”
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yoursouthpark
(Here’s one sample from the discussion.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yoursouthpark/message/18108 )
I am not able to cover the South Park Neighborhood Council meetings often because they unfortunately are on the second Tuesdays along with two regular West Seattle councils and often something else. So I don’t know about recent discussions.
TR
April 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm #786419
JoBParticipantGenesee..
i don’t know how many Nickelodeans were out doing something for the neighborhood this weekend though i did hear about some neighborhood cleanup in that area which is likely to be them…
i was out for myself this weekend… sleeping in.. spending time with hubby and my pups.. beheading the pesky dandelions that dared to raise their heads …
i recently found out i am facing another surgery.. the surgery will be a cake walk.. the recovery not so much… life happens..
but, it would probably surprise you to learn that i have received several calls from friends who happen to live in Nickelsville and have lived through my struggle to avoid this surgery with me..
they just wanted to check up on me and ask if there was anything i needed…
people are people, regardless of where life’s circumstances land them and I have met a lot of really nice people through volunteering at Nickelsville…
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