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September 12, 2012 at 11:25 pm #770658
waynsterParticipantDon’t forget His royal fatness king Rush I am the top teapublican Limbaugh and his Queen Ann the beaouch Coulter and their minions and what they said about on Sandra Fluke’s speech at the DNC……
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/10/opinion/frum-sandra-fluke-slurs/index.html?iref=allsearch
and a new twist from the nutty side of the right on libya…..
And then there is Mitt on what happen in Libya….
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/romneys-political-pretzel-over-libya/
sorry even his own party starting to tell him he is wrong…
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/gop-senator-questions-timing-of-romney-statement/
September 13, 2012 at 1:06 am #770659
JanSParticipantRomney is a candidate. It’s not his place to get involved with foreign matters at this point. Anything he does/says is simply to get a reaction for his campaign. He speaks before he thinks, and that is a fatal flaw of his. He simply was wrong..and jumped to conclusions…and , more importantly, used this tragedy as a soundbyte to pander to the most conservative people on the right. Some are saying he misspoke…hell, he flat out lied to make points…and that’s reprehensible. He had no clue what he was talking about. It was not his place to say ANYTHING.
September 13, 2012 at 1:23 am #770660
dobroParticipantWell, the latest Fox news poll is in. We know its completely fair and balanced and, even tho they pretend to be part of the MSM to get a seat at press conferences, we know they exist in a world of non-liberal bias unlike every single other news outlet. I know everyone here will agree that we can trust their results, right? Here ’tis then…
“Overall, the Obama-Biden ticket tops the Romney-Ryan ticket by 48 to 43 percent among likely voters. That’s a four-point “convention bounce” for Obama among likely voters. Before the conventions, Romney edged Obama by one point (45-44 percent, August 19-21, 2012).
Indpendents have switched allegience and they are fewer and fewer of them up for grabs: The conventions helped a number of undecided independents pick a candidate.Before the Republican convention in Tampa, independents backed Romney by a 10-point margin (42-32 percent) and 26 percent were undecided. Today independents go for Obama by 5 points (44-39 percent) and 17 percent are undecided.
Look at that…a 15 percent swing among undecided toward Obama. And this is Fox news, so it has to be right!
Then there is his popularity: Obama’s personal favorable rating also improves — up two points to 53 percent since the conventions. Romney’s favorable rating holds steady at 49 percent.
And the issues:The poll finds the president has a significant advantage on most issues and candidate traits. Voters trust Obama more than Romney on foreign policy (+15 points), education (+14 points), Medicare (+11 points), health care (+9 points) and terrorism (+8 points).
Personal qualities:On personal qualities, voters think Obama is better described than Romney as being honest (+11 points), being a steady leader (+10 points) and having the right experience (+7 points).
And this is particlarly interesting, Obama wins on handling the economy:Voters who say the economy is the top priority back Obama over Romney by 49-43 percent, while fiscal-issue voters back Romney by 47-42 percent.
I’m sure Mittens tough talk on how embassy personnel under attack should behave will make those independants think twice but, gollee,how is Fox news making up all these good numbers for Obama?
September 13, 2012 at 1:45 am #770661
elikapekaParticipant@Bostonman, don’t forget the Stennis left here early at the end of August headed for the Middle East. I agree, there is definitely something going on.
Just yesterday the Romney campaign dismissed any talk of foreign policy as a “bright shiny object.” And then today he really stepped in it. And all his foreign policy advisors are Bush/Cheney retreads. In both foreign and economic policy, he just seems to want to return to the Bush/Cheney years, only more extreme. He is turning out to be a spectacularly bad candidate. I think he’s done for unless he can turn it around in the debates.
September 13, 2012 at 1:59 am #770662
jamminjMember“I think he’s done for unless he can turn it around in the debates.”
LOL, thanks for the laugh. just spit out my food on that one.
September 13, 2012 at 2:18 am #770663
dobroParticipantHere’s some more polling info from Nate Silver at 538. I know, I know, he’s not a Fox News guy, but his poll analysis over the last 4 years and his work at Baseball Prospectus have made him one of the most respected analysts…
If the election were held now President Obama’s chances of victory would be 91.6 percent according to Nate Silver’s model.Further, his estimated margin in the electoral college would be 319 to 219. Both the margin of victory and the percentage chance of victory are all-time highs for Nate’s “Nowcast.”
The longer range forecast is also good, but with 50+ days to go, and chances for Mitt Romney to improve his position reduce Obama’s winning odds to 80.8 percent and an electoral total of 315.4.
The improvement in tonight’s nowcast is likely due to:
– Obama’s Gallup lead growing to +7 (50 for O, 43 for R)
– A Fox poll with Obama +5 (48 for O, 43 for R)
– A blowout New Mexico poll (Obama +11)
Also tonight, new polls in Michigan with great news. EPIC-MRA says Obama is up ten, 47 to 37. Further, Debbie Stabenow is up 11 over Pete Hoekstra.
I’m sure Mittens will turn all this around with his next commanding foreign policy announcement, but for now things are looking rather perplexing. How can America be so fooled by a secret Muslim Socialist Kenyan? If it weren’t for the whole media being in the tank for him. Even Fox News, apparently.
Listen for Mittens’ next campaign commercial…
“I’m Mitt Womney and I apwoove thith methage”
September 13, 2012 at 2:28 am #770664
JanSParticipantSeptember 13, 2012 at 3:21 am #770665
jamminjMember‘LIKELY VOTERS’ Abandon Romney: POLL REPORT
The only area the President doesn’t lead or tie Romney on is dealing with the deficit, but Barack Obama now leads on handling foreign policy, medicare, dealing with health care, handling of taxes, yes TAXES, and then ties with Romney on the handling of the economy —
yes, in a down economy Romney can’t even manage a win over Obama on that issue after months of campaigning.
The only thing that can lose this for Obama at this point is complacency by the left. Get out and vote, not matter how hard the repubs wants to take that right away from you.
September 13, 2012 at 4:36 am #770666
redblackParticipantkootch:
ˆt took a long, long time to “forget” Jimmy Carter… 12 years befor ya got the franchise back.
sure thing, buddy. jimmy carter tried to actually pay for the vietnam war. reagan decided it was better to put it on the credit card and let the middle class pay the interest while the top incomes reaped the benefits.
bravo. greatest swindle in american history. and you bought what they were shoveling and tried to turn it into a governing philosophy.
and after 30 years of epic fail, you want us to do more of it.
not bloody likely, mate.
[edit: dude! i’m not one to regularly trash peoples’ grammar and spelling on the intertoobz, but in that sentence of yours that i quoted, how did you get a carat (^) in there instead of an i? they’re not even close!]
September 13, 2012 at 4:28 pm #770667
BostonmanMemberI am with Elika, Romney can have a chance if he can win the debates hands down. If he is off on any one topic then I think Obama wins easy. If Isreal attacks Iran prior to the election Obama wins.
Looking at world events right now in Europe, the Middle East and Asis I would not want to be in office over the next 4 years. There are going to be some painful decisions coming is my prediction. Depending on the response if Isreal attacks Iran we could be looking at a large scale war.
September 13, 2012 at 4:34 pm #770668
dobroParticipantI agree that if Rmoney could win the debates it would give him a shot but I don’t see that happening.
And I think the neo-con cabal that is advising Rmoney somehow thinks that unrest in the Middle East is going to help their candidate but it seems to me that if conflict does break out that involves us, Americans will not want to change horses in midstream, so to speak.
September 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm #770669
BostonmanMemberWow I actually agree with your post 61. Generally Americans don’t like to change out the office of the president in the time of war. So, its really a political game for the Isrealies now. They aren’t happy with Obama so are they sitting around playing wait and see on who makes it into office before they strike Iran? Only they know. If Romney wins they will definitly take care of it, if Obama wins I think they still do it but maybe on a different timeline.
We have already isolated Syria and we shouldn’t expext much support from Libya or Egypt and in the end I think Iraq would side with Iran so Isreal will need to have their ducks in a row before they do anything. Isreal could easily be wiped off the map with no intervention from the US and that will likely mean intervention from Russia.
September 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm #770670
dobroParticipantYes, isn’t it a lot easier to have a discussion and occasionally agree with each other when we’re talking about our own perceptions rather than wading thru a swamp of talking points and propaganda?
I don’t think Israel can easily be wiped from the map no matter what happens. We know they have nuclear weapons and I don’t think they’d shy away from using them. All the more reason to have cooler heads working with all parties to tamp down the conflict rather than re-instate the neo-con bunch that actually desires war to keep their money machine flowing.
September 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm #770671
jamminjMemberI have a question.
I hear the right blaming Obama for the middle east problems. But what I haven’t heard in the criticism is what the republicans official policy is on the middle east, and how this recent events should have been handled. and what mistakes Obama make.
Could anyone shed any light on the GOP’s plan on the middle east?
September 13, 2012 at 10:02 pm #770672
dobroParticipantI don’t think they have a plan other than complain about whatever Obama does but if any body has discerned any policy approach they might have I’d love to hear about that, too.
September 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm #770673
dobroParticipantHere’s some more polling coming in, still not looking good for Mittens or the Repub Senate hopes…
NBC/WSJ has new numbers, and they are pretty freakin’ awesome.
FLORIDA
Obama 49
Romney 44
OHIO
Obama 50
Romney 43
VIRGINIA
Obama 49
Romney 44
As if the battleground numbers weren’t looking bad enough for Mitt Romney already, these results are nothing short of disastrous.
In the relevant Senate races:
FLORIDA
Bill Nelson (D) 51
Connie Mack (R) 37
OHIO
Sherrod Brown (D) 49
Josh Mandel (R) 42
VIRGINIA
Tim Kaine (D) 46
George Allen (R) 46
Seems like all that Mittens big stick talkin’ should be pumping up the numbers, no? What do you righties think explains these numbers?
September 14, 2012 at 12:07 am #770674
DBPMemberHave you been practicing saying “President Romney” just in case? Michael Moore thinks you should.
September 14, 2012 at 12:18 am #770675
dobroParticipantLuckily, I don’t pay a lot of attention to what MM says (tho I do think he’s a good filmmaker.).
Something I find interesting in these latest polls is that it doesn’t seem to be so much of an Obama surge as it is the bottom dropping out of Mittens support.Do you think his current gaffe will be his John McCain-like “cancel the debates, I must fly to Washington and save the economy!” moment?
September 14, 2012 at 2:52 am #770676
DBPMember>>I agree that if Rmoney could win the debates it would give him a shot but I don’t see that happening. –dobro
—If the economy were stronger and Obama had more to show for the last four years, I’d agree with you on Romney’s chances in the debates. Obama is a smarter man and a better speaker than Romney; however, if Romney can get Obama on the defensive, and keep him there, then he can win the debates just by keeping his mouth shut most of the time. (That part will be hard, since Romney likes to talk, but I’m sure his handlers are working on it.)
Remember “amiable idiot” Ronald Reagan? Well, he won a debate with the much abler Jimmy Carter simply because Carter was on the defensive and very susceptible to Reagan’s cornball platitudes. At the time, there was a slumping economy and an expanding crisis in the Middle East, which Carter was perceived as being unable to deal with.
>>And I think the neo-con cabal that is advising Rmoney somehow thinks that unrest in the Middle East is going to help their candidate but it seems to me that if conflict does break out that involves us, Americans will not want to change horses in midstream, so to speak.
—Again, that depends entirely on how the situation is cast in the public mind. If Romney can frame the political deterioration in Egypt and Libya as Obama’s fault, or if he can portray Obama as not dealing with international crises effectively, then it’s all over. Obama’s incumbent halo won’t simply lose its burnish, it will fall off, catch on his ankle, and metastasize into an anchor, dragging him downward into the abyss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYywXhixVW0
[Sorry. That’s some awfully depressing imagery there, isn’t it?]
September 14, 2012 at 5:27 am #770677
kootchmanMemberObama is a hack apologist.. and I can say any damn thing I want to.. as can George Romney. Obama needs to emphatically tell the Iranian government where the red line is…. and if they cross it we are all in. We won’t rebuild it either… it can smolder for years.
“Romney is a candidate. It’s not his place to get involved with foreign matters at this point.”
We don’t worship him. It’s in the fine American tradition to call out a weasel out from under the woodpile. Obama can invite the Muslim Brotherhood twice, give em’ 4 billion, meet with JayZ, Beyonce, and David Letterman.. while our ally and the best source of intel on the goings on in the middle east gets the cold shoulder? Florida is so gone to Romney.. Obama The Naive …I hope Dave Letterman gave him a good intel briefing. Rome is burning and he is clueless. Course’ he would actually have to go to work at the White House and get a briefing in the sit room not the make-up chair at CBS Entertainment. Well Iraq was Bush’s war… Libya is Obama’s and he went all in with the Arab Spring .. to spread more democracy. when will you all get it? Democracy is not a middle east value set?
well my chortling leftist compadres.. now he has a big mess … coming to a US City near you soon. I am betting on it. If it comes through infiltration through our southern borders…he will be toast. … we will switch horses if we think the Black Knight of Self Delusion lead us into these waters.
Here are the NEW Rasmussen polls… convention bump is over.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 46% of the vote. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
When “leaners” are included, it’s Romney 49% and Obama 47%. Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either candidate but express a preference for one of them in a follow-up question.
This job is getting too big too fast for a two community organizers. Obama and Jarrod… Keep the arms flowing to the Egyptian Army, hold our noses, and turn our eyes. It’s our only option.
September 14, 2012 at 5:50 am #770678
kootchmanMemberGuess those polls turned quick eh jamminj Ohio 47//46 (Obama) VA 47/47
Perhaps most significantly, Republicans are once again more engaged in the election than Democrats. Forty-nine percent (49%) of GOP voters are following the race on a daily basis. Among Democrats, just 42% are that interested.
September 14, 2012 at 6:45 am #770679
NFiorentiniMemberRmoney is a ridiculous tool and Obama will crush him in the debates. That said, if the GOP wasn’t the nutjob GOP we’re stuck with today and selected Jon Huntsman, I might’ve been interested.
“This is a time when we all should reflect on those who continue to give, even the last measure, of service and sacrifice, to promoting and defending America’s interests abroad,” Huntsman added. “This is above all a reminder that politics should end at the water’s edge.”
September 14, 2012 at 7:53 am #770680
kootchmanMemberNot if the idiot leads ya to the edge of the big muddy…. ya do remember the song? waist deep in the big muddy and the big fool said to push on”…. Here’s our middle east plan.. drill drill drill, frack, frack, frack…. and leave them firmly attached to the 7th century where they want to stay. Be ever confident… Obama won’t have his teleprompter. Jobs, jobs, jobs….deficits.
September 14, 2012 at 6:36 pm #770681
jamminjMemberReport: “US MARINES GUARDING EGYPT EMBASSY NOT PERMITTED TO CARRY LIVE AMMO” Consider. Insanity. IMPEACH!
— @Jay_Severin via web
The right wing nut jobs knows no low. shame to use our dead soldiers to lie to their gullible constituents for political points. yeah, i’m pissed. They continue to lie lie lie because they know their followers are to stupid to find out where the truth lies. Good riddance GOP, like many republicans have said, if romney can’t win, dismantle the repugs.
from the marine themselves, Major Alex Cross – The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.
September 14, 2012 at 6:38 pm #770682
jamminjMemberand its sickening for those that talk about sending other sons and daughters off to war like its a game.
you cowards.
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