Home › Forums › Open Discussion › New Zimmerman bloody head picture. Thoughts?
- This topic is empty.
-
AuthorPosts
-
April 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm #602954
SmittyParticipantTaken three minutes after he shot Martin via iPhone.
Does it change anything or is this all about the fact that he should have never followed Martin in the first place?
As predicted, there is always more to the story. Will be interesting.
April 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm #755863
DBPMemberIf it changes anything, it doesn’t change much, regardless of the other details of the case.
The reason that it doesn’t change much is because it doesn’t SHOW much. What it does show is blood (possibly lots of blood) trickling down a shaved head. As someone pointed out on a different thread, scalp wounds, even when relatively minor, can bleed profusely.
So even if the wound in the photo (“Warning! VERY GRAPHIC!”) was inflicted on the subject by someone who had attacked him, it would not demonstrate that the wound was serious or that the attack was life-threatening.
A doctor, on examining the subject’s head closely, might determine that there was a contusion there as well, which would be serious. But the amount of blood doesn’t prove anything really.
A nosebleed could look as bad as that.
April 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm #755864
JoBParticipanti am reminded of a story i heard recently..
i heard that someone’s car had been firebombed.
imagine my surprise when i pulled into the lot when i expected to see a burned out hulk and found some minor singeing on a door.
had someone tried to light a fire under that car?
yes.
had it been firebombed?
no
is it possible that Zimmerman’s head was bumped on the ground and that it bled?
yes.
head’s bleed .. generally at less insult than other parts of the body
but there is a huge leap between a bumped head and a bashed head…
and no indication whether he got that bump from an altercation or from stumbling backward.
does this photo add to the mystery?
yes.
does it exonerate Zimmerman?
maybe
but i don’t think so.
where is the other evidence of a fight to the death?
April 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm #755865
anonymeParticipantIMO this photo does nothing to support Zimmerman’s story. There are many, many scenarios in which this relatively minor injury could have taken place. As one forensics expert explained in an interview, Trayvon could have hit the guy on the head with his cell phone in self defense. Where’s his phone? DNA evidence should have been taken from many sources, including Trayvon’s phone.
If anything, this supports the 2nd degree murder charge more than it does a self defense plea by Zimmerman. My opinion is based on the fact that Zimmerman had the wherewithal to be planning and documenting his defense within 3 minutes of shooting Trayvon. To me, this is indicative of a deliberate act. Who was it who took this photo? Why were they there? More questions than answers.
April 20, 2012 at 9:01 pm #755866
JanSParticipantanonyme…my thoughts exactly…who has the presence of mind, three minutes after shooting and killing someone that you were supposedly fighting to the death…to take a picture? And who took it?
April 20, 2012 at 9:14 pm #755867
JVMemberThose pictures must be fake! There’s no way that that sweet little 11-year-old kid I saw in those pictures could have done that!
April 20, 2012 at 9:22 pm #755868
dhgParticipantRight wingers, when being snarky and sarcastic, sound heartless and vicious. Trayvon may not have been little but he very likely was “sweet”, because making a trip to a candy store for his little brother is not the mark of a thug that you assume him to be.
April 20, 2012 at 9:30 pm #755869
TanDLParticipantIt’s customary for the police to take photos of injuries in such cases and maybe the police had the photos but withheld them for awhile. It’s easy to rush to different judgements,depending on our vatious biases with these kinds of cases. We’ll have to let the facts come out in court and see what comes of it.
April 20, 2012 at 9:31 pm #755870
JVMemberI’m going to put all the parts together based on the stories from the major news networks.
A young black boy who had the face of an 11-year-old was walking at night with skittles in his pocket.
Out of nowhere, the mostly-white, obviously racist Mr. Zimmerman (wearing an orange jump suit) chases him down and shoots him dead.
Then Mr. Zimmerman lays down and repeatedly hits the back of his head on the ground until it begins to bleed, and he breaks his own nose. He is a criminal mastermind, and this was done to help cover his tracks.
I can only go by what I’ve seen on the news, but this case seems water-tight…looks like he’s guilty to me.
April 20, 2012 at 10:02 pm #755871
redblackParticipantJV: you missed the most important part: where zimmerman wasn’t charged with shooting someone for over a month.
but i can see how you would miss that part. the media didn’t cover it. much.
April 20, 2012 at 10:17 pm #755872
JanSParticipantoh, and how about the part about the police telling him to not pursue…and the part where Mr. Zimmerman was in a car, and could easily have stayed there, or turned around and gone in the other direction.
Now..if I am walking home form the store on a dark rainy night, and someone approaches me, wants to know who I am , what I’m doing, I would feel threatened.If someone got right up in my face, as a female, I would push them away. I also walk with a cane with a very handy handle that mold to my hand…I would fight back to the best of my ability.. Bloody their head? Damned straight I’d bloody their head if I was approached like that..and I am a peaceful person.
I will leave the guilt or innocence of anyone in this up to the jury…as we all should
April 20, 2012 at 10:39 pm #755873
BostonmanMemberSo he should wait until his head is bashed in before using lethal force? Ignoring the quetsion of should he have been following him, that is a different question. I certainly wouldn’t wait to be seriously injured to use lethal force.
Just like Jan said the jury will decide in the end and they will likely see more evidence than any of us will. I am still amazed that the media paraded a picture of this kid that was obviously take years before.
I grew up with kids who when they were 10 looked sweet and innocent. Some of them ended up in prison by 18. Lots of things change in those years.
April 20, 2012 at 11:45 pm #755874
me on 28th Ave SWParticipantI think one of the biggest problems I have with Zimmerman is this; people who are really afraid for their own safety do not aggressively approach strangers and “get in their face”. There would have been no “lethal force”, real or imagined if he had minded his own damn business. I also would argue that hands/feet/teeth are not as lethal as a gun. If someone I don’t know approaches me in a threatening manner, I am likely going to fight if I am physically threatened. I am not a fighter and this is why I would not approach a stranger in such a way.
April 20, 2012 at 11:49 pm #755875
me on 28th Ave SWParticipantIt is possible that there aren’t more recent pictures of Trayvon? Certainly I am not the only person who has noticed out of date photos on missing persons fliers etc. How many times is the picture provided by the school or drivers license? I don’t think that is necessarily a sign of anything. If my own children didn’t have multiple pictures from sports teams or Facebook, I could be in the same situation. Most teenagers aren’t as cooperative getting photos taken as grade schoolers (at least when it comes to family).
April 20, 2012 at 11:52 pm #755876
JanSParticipantho on 28th..there are more recent pictures…pictures taken about 9 days before he was killed…and he was the same sweet faced straight looking kid..at a family function…
but..somehow people have only paid attention to the <false> picture that was posted to FB as him…very thug looking…but it’s been proven to be false…much easier for some people to believe , however
April 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm #755877
me on 28th Ave SWParticipantNearly every teenager I see on Facebook has a posed “thug” or “provocative” photo somewhere on there. Of course, when you know the kids you put in perspective. I pray nothing ever happens to any of my loved ones because the media does love sinners and saints and depending on the image either one could be argued. Too bad that is distracting so much from the real problem. Why was a teenager killed and nothing investigated?
April 21, 2012 at 12:51 am #755878
oddrealityParticipantWhy did he take a photo of some blood on the back of his head but none of the broken nose? Seems the nose would have made a more dramatic photo if it really was broken. A little blood goes a long way and that is really not much blood.He could even have inflicted those smallish cuts himself knowing what he had done. BUT ~I was not there to witness so will wait to reserve my own judgment until the evidence comes out and the trial is done.
Things do seem fishy right now but maybe will not seem so later on.Remains to be seen.
April 21, 2012 at 1:04 am #755879
CaitParticipantHe looks exactly the same in the pictures prevalent in the media and the one taken 9 days before he died, no question. Giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt because people are thought of as somehow too stupid to look at the facts and not just a picture is ridiculous. So much of the “poor pitiful Zimmerman” case has to do with media perception and not the actual information. So what if the pictures were skewed – does it mean that Zimmerman wasn’t at fault? If they picked the jury correctly, public opinion will have precious little to do with that trial, which is how it should be.
Even if the kid was the biggest thug you’d ever seen (whatever the hell that looks like – watch out! Answering that question is the racial prejudice litmas test – you cannot win), IT DOESN’T MATTER.
And I’m sorry if you want to read into pictures and what people are going to think of them when presented in the media – I think Zimmerman looked mentally unhinged during his hearing this week. Something scary going on behind the eyes there. And I certainly don’t view him as a monster, just someone who made a bad decision that he needs to pay for. But the pictures presented today look scary as all hell to me and he was in a suit, not a orange jumpsuit.
April 21, 2012 at 1:06 am #755880
CaitParticipantI’d also argue that in this era of photoshop all photographic “evidence” is questionable.
April 21, 2012 at 2:05 am #755881
JoBParticipantJV..
how old are you?
just asking.
i am unaccustomed to middle school snarky
my grand-kids don’t engage in it with me.
April 21, 2012 at 3:10 am #755882
Spring ChickenMemberThe “bloody head” picture looks faked.
There is no evidence, medical report, or x-ray proof that Zimmerman has a broken nose. That is a fabrication, made up by Zimmerman’s attorney.
April 21, 2012 at 3:15 am #755883
JanSParticipantI’m still trying to figure out who took a picture with an iPhone 3 minutes after the shooting…3 minutes…not even enough time for police to get there and take police pictures. Did he do it himself? Really?
April 21, 2012 at 3:20 am #755884
JVMemberJoB, I’m mid-30’s. My “snarkiness” is just to illustrate the craziness that some people believe. Even people on this forum!
For example, first ABC insisted that the video showed no injuries to his head, and everybody repeated that “fact”. Now that there is video with blood on his head some people are talking about it being photoshopped! Or self-inflicted? I wrote that to show how ridiculous it would be to believe that! You guys are surreal! You can’t make this stuff up!
It’s insane what people will allow themselves to believe when they REALLY REALLY want it to be so!
My post was a jab at the media portrayal of the case, and the fools who took it hook line and sinker.
I’m not rooting for anybody on this case…there are no winners no matter how it turns out. I’ll go where the facts take us, and point out the circus side shows along the way.
April 21, 2012 at 3:23 am #755885
JVMemberCait/oddreality. In your heart of hearts, what do you think REALLY happened that night?
Is it similar to the story I wrote above?
April 21, 2012 at 3:28 am #755886
kootchmanMemberThe cops took the pictures. It’s also the reason they didn’t arrest him…Why did it take 40 plus days? Investigation and probable cause? The judge didn’t seem too impressed with the states case.. 150K bond, not an all cash bond? For second degree murder? Yea Cait,I am sure the police photo shopped it. … like the grassy knoll. There is a police report…. and we will see it in court… not the front pages of of the NY Times or released to MSNBC. Happens all the time… car accident… no one has to go to the hospital… the photos are consistant with his statement.. his head was being smashed into the pavement and in fear for his safety he fired. That’s the whole point behind stand your ground…. you don’t have to wait until your skull is crushed before you shoot. Speculation … a trial is coming. The talking heads are split… remember,, there is one eye witness,. state law says the presumption of self defense is on his side. Personally, it was bad bad judgement… IMHO.. Zimmerman put himself in harms way… but speculation won’t cut it…. the trial will tell. Good heavens… OJ was set free! Who would have imagined that?
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.