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October 5, 2012 at 5:53 am #773007
kootchmanMemberOk TanDL… open your eyes and ears… here they come… think you might want to watch? I mean this is in their own words…. y’know you are starting to sound like all liberals, short term gain, long term pain. And they are doing the same damn thing with health insurance.. commerce is risk adjusted.
How The Democrats Caused The Financial Crisis: Starring Bill Clinton’s HUD Secretary Andrew
Listen very carefully as The future Messiah thinks it is socially just to mix up skeezer loans with good ones… so the skeezers were covered by the credit worthy loans….. but as fate would have it…. when the defaults started rolling in… even the good risk, on time, payers lost equity. Thanks Bill….Barack, Andy, Nancy.. et al….. and a special shout out to Jimmy!
October 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm #773008
JoBParticipantkootch..
i have to ask
do you really believe all of that crap?
Do you honestly think lieing and bending selected bits of the truth is the way to win an argument?
I am betting on Will Rogers…
or his current equivalent…
you can only make saps out of the American people so long before they stand up and say they have had enough.
it’s a lesson the democratic party is going to have to learn as well if they win this election
October 5, 2012 at 2:28 pm #773009
TanDLParticipantIn the words of your beloved RR, “Well, there you go again.” You continue to sound like those neo-con radio shock jocks who like yourself seem hell bent on tossing out personal swipes at others who have differing opinions. Maybe their followers should should keep personal jabs to themselves and try to think an original thought now and then. If anyone reading this thread is confused about how the recession came about, perhaps they should go back and read the many forum thread postings on this topic with accompanying links. Absolutely, Clinton lessened regulations that allowed default swaps to thrive. But, he didn’t create default swaps. The boys on Wall St dreamed up that little scheme and from there it all went hog wild. And it’s not as simple as… the Democrats caused the recession. Nothing is that simple, including any fixes for said recession. Just elect a businessman, he’ll fix things. Well the business guys dreamed up default swaps, pushed for loosening regulations and drove the Washington Mutuals and other institutions into granting easy mortgages, so excuse me if I’m not convinced yet about plopping one of them in the white house.
October 5, 2012 at 3:45 pm #773010
JoBParticipantthe candidate businessman in question believes that you take a company over.. and make it more profitable by cutting labor costs.. then you take your profit… you know.. just before all of that cost cutting cuts the bottom out of the business.
i am not sure how that would work when the company is America… but perhaps Mitt sniffs a deal with China…
October 5, 2012 at 4:56 pm #773011
dobroParticipantHere’s today’s Rasmussen rolling averages…
Wed. morning before the debate;
Obama 48% Romney 47%
Where they are this morning:
Obama 49% Romney 47%
Who won the debate again?
October 5, 2012 at 5:18 pm #773012
WorldCitizenParticipantI’m pretty sure anyone could “win” a debate using half-truths and false statements when no one calls them on their BS.
October 5, 2012 at 5:54 pm #773013
miwsParticipantwe had 30 years to prepare for it.
Ya mean that 30 years of middle class destroying “trickle down”, brought on by Saint Reagan?
Mike
October 5, 2012 at 6:05 pm #773014
miwsParticipantOctober 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm #773015
Myr-myrParticipantStyle points to Romney; substance, hands down, to Obama
October 6, 2012 at 1:28 am #773016
brewParticipantProps to Ole Clint. He nailed it, Obama was an empty chair.
October 6, 2012 at 1:16 pm #773017
JoBParticipantbrew..
that chair is only empty if you refuse to admit that someone occupies it…
denial is a real problem for Republicans these days..
October 6, 2012 at 5:44 pm #773018
redblackParticipantyou know, another thing that obama could have called out about lord willard’s speechifying is his conflation of large and small businesses. at one point, willard described a business with 500 people on its payroll as a small business.
in what universe?
October 7, 2012 at 12:38 am #773019
brewParticipantIn this universe….
“The most widely used, and SBA-endorsed, sizing criteria for small businesses is the following – the business must have no more than 500 employees for most manufacturing and mining industries, and no more than $7 million in average annual receipts for most nonmanufacturing industries.”
Some types of Manufacturing can have up to 1500 employees and still be considered a Small business.
October 7, 2012 at 9:09 am #773020
JoBParticipantbrew..
you mean in the business universe, don’t you?
in these current economic times, I know lots of people who run thriving small businesses with 10 people or less.
look around you. I m betting you do business with one or more of them. Locally, they deliver some really quality products.
October 7, 2012 at 10:15 am #773021
kootchmanMemberwanna see those polls again dobro? who be winning now? If you are using the Rasmussen app…. and following it daily.. here is the Saturday results’
Saturday, October 06, 2012
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 47%.
Florida: Romney 49%, Obama 47%
Virginia: Romney 49%, Obama 48%
Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 49%
what a difference a day makes eh? who won?
You are so funny… you get a compilation, with ample time to review context.. and it’t right wing….c’mon it’d not ABC news.. they don’t dub and selectively edit… those were the words of the perps… very proud of the fact they could use government to force banks to make sub-standard loans, … here’s a ttrick question for ya.. who invented “mortgage backed securities’? Hmmm that would be the FHA …
Now if you were a bank, following FHA guidelines.. and loaded down with junk mortgages and Warren Buffett and AIG (see how these all interconnect?.. see why Buffett is an “Obama Man”.. he bailed AIG ) took an insurance risk by underwriting those defaults? Would you hold that junk if their was a willing buyer? It’s not like AIG was a novice in the insurance biz…. they are the worlds largest secondary insurer… they should have paid the costs. Bye bye AIG… FHA was also in credit default swaps…. in fact the entire FHA.. Fannie and Freddie are built on credit default swaps… they are the secondary insurer… and they are STILL doing it!!! Sorry to break it to ya,,, FHA invented credit default swaps…. not Wall Street. They took the government model of hiding crap in tulips.
October 7, 2012 at 10:38 am #773022
kootchmanMemberNo miws… when the Lord RR took office, the tech, PC boom started. All the evidence was there. US car sales were in the toilet, taken over by the Japanese who were using robotics in basic assembly. CAD was starting, programmers were in great demand, (and are) .. the entire shift from a labor to knowledge worker started. And amazingly… in the very state where that revolution started… the HS dropout rates were increasing… SAT scores have been dropping.. that would have been the time to take stock and upgrade your skill set. when the wind blows dude, you adjust the sails accordingly. Or.. wait until you are obsolete and hope the good ship Government Rescue comes along..with subsistance as your reward. Yep… I went through a KKR junk bond buy out…. a little old MAC SE-30 was the first thing I bought after my employer was torn apart.. and I was off and running to catch the spoils of those great money making days. I am sure you do know a few…JoB.. but according to the US Department of Commerce… we have fewer people starting businesses today than at anytime since the great depression. THAT is a direct response to Obama and his crackpot understanding of business.. yes, you can make rules and regulations so cumbersome that it is damn near impossible to build a business. Try it. See how discouraging government is to innovation and new business formation.
October 7, 2012 at 10:48 am #773023
kootchmanMemberOctober 7, 2012 at 2:01 pm #773024
SmittyParticipantWhat’s funny is that last week all we heard about was how the President was extending his lead in the polls and this thing was almost over. Every channel. Every night. Every website.
Where is all that coverage now?????????
The media is so obvious in their rooting interest it is gross.
October 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm #773025
redblackParticipantkootch:
US car sales were in the toilet, taken over by the Japanese
because we didn’t protect our economy. we totally handed that industry to them. all because people like you didn’t like the ford granada.
this is the high cost of low wages and low prices on the crap we consume.
smitty:
the media doesn’t give a shit who wins, as long as the race sells viagra and pizza.
and lastly to brew:
1500 employees times around… let’s say $40,000 per year per worker for easy math? looks like $60 million in payroll to me.
most local construction firms have far fewer than 500 employees.
how about your average restaurant or bar? i’ll bet even chow foods’ restaurants (five spot, endolyne joe’s, high life, among others) have a combined work force of less than 500.
and it’s those businesses that are the lifeblood of our economy. collectively, they employ a huge chunk of the population.
but those business owners – like my boss – are not wealthy.
in contrast, a company with a $20 million payroll? well, i doubt its owner is living paycheck to paycheck.
unlike his employees…
October 7, 2012 at 3:54 pm #773026
kootchmanMemberno redblack… I was there, buying cars… this is not true.
“because we didn’t protect our economy. we totally handed that industry to them. all because people like you didn’t like the ford granada.”
The auto industry was making pure crap for products. It was god awful product. There was a fellah around that time … an American im fact… W. Edwards Deming.. who just could not make headway talking to the US auto industry… about quality. To the Japanese, he was a national hero. It was because we had a protected market that we fell so far behind the Japanese and the Europeans (Germans) .. in fact, much to the amazement of Detroit.. Honda’s were selling at at a premium with 6 month waiting lists .. it cost us over a million jobs before we finally became competitive in our own home market.. and we are still not there. You would have us buy cheap cars at expensive prices? That was the UAW way… no robotics, not automated welding and painting, just hand assembled, labor intensive junk.
And at the time… Honda auto workers were making more money than the UAW… why would I buy a piece of crap Chevy when Honda had better cars? They weren’t cheap.. they were better made, better engineered… and fuel efficient. The floorboards didn’t rust through after 5 years either. Chrome trimming drop off if you stared at it too hard… and engines that were still using carbs instead of fuel injection.. things we invented.
Let’s get to your local construction companies? All the big hitters are now foreign owned. want the roll call? Oh there are still sub constractors… but the big hitters.. hey are all 100K employees or more. Sure there are tons os remodelers and shngle nailers.. but all those “infrastructure” jobs go to the top twenty GC’s in the country… and most of them are foreign owned now.
Obama is not going to make this economy better… he can’t. He doesn’t understand the subject. Let a pro in to do the job. We need jobs. Obama has more than proven he can’t create the circumstances or conditions that make it happen.
October 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm #773027
JoBParticipantfellas..
no matter how much corporate interests would like you to believe that that advertising is the determining factor in our election… it isn’t
when it is all said and done … votes are.
Have you noticed that the actual poll questions are never posted with the results? have you wondered why?
even i could craft a poll that would put Obama on the bottom in this election.
i could even answer a poll on what i think of Obama’s policies that would indicate that i wouldn’t vote for him.
neither will influence my vote this fall.
October 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm #773028
JoBParticipantkootch..
blah blah blah Obama
blah blah bla big business
blah blah blah regulations
blah blah blah if you don’t do what we want we will shut this economy down
if what business has been doing in America was so good for Americans, there would be no need for the threat, would there?
October 7, 2012 at 6:15 pm #773029
redblackParticipantkootch: yeah, i remember the ’70’s and ’80’s, too. i remember the cheap japanese crap coming apart and the disgust from americans that we didn’t make our own radios anymore. i remember the japanese flooding our markets. and the RCA plant in indianapolis closing. and the layoffs from alison transmission and international harvester.
why? so guys who made money importing japanese products could expand their businesses. “unfair competition!” they yelled. “monopoly!” “protectionism!” “what ever happened to anti-trust?!” they wailed.
don’t sell me that rope-a-dope about the UAW being responsible for the decline in auto manufacturing, either. the UAW has been at odds with AIADA since 1970.
one of those organizations represents american jobs. the other one represents foreign profits. and i think i know which one lord willard sides with.
you want to blame someone for the decline in american car manufacturing and those shoddy products? the UAW didn’t design those cars. no, sir. blame ford and GM’s management for being tunnel-visioned and reliant on the oil industry – much like they always have been. blame them for being reactive instead of proactive.
and blame yourself for not demanding better of american industry. blame yourself for selling out to the cheapest products so easily.
but most of the blame goes to washington, D.C. for letting foreign interests, flat-earthers, and GATT run the show.
and again, republicans have just the guy to keep that trade “free” – and that trade deficit high.
October 8, 2012 at 1:46 am #773030
kootchmanMemberNo redblack.. revisionist history, More cars are assembled today, here in the USA .. by foreign companies, than by Ford and GM. The Japanese plowed billions into their manufacturing… unrestrained by union work rules. Not only are they making the cars… they are selling the robotics to GM and Ford. The got a two fer. They also have a far better educated work force. They just kicked our ass… flat out it was that simple. Shame isn’t it? But RCA went down the same slope… all those fantastic Japanese innovations from Sony, TEAC, came from circuit and materials engineering… in the great music of those days..what did RCA have compared to a TEAC reel to reel? They made better product and it wasn’t cheap crap. RCA was not world class in either manufacturing, engineering or design. Do you know how a consumer “demands” more of a manufacturer? They stop buying their products. Ya think sending them a letter will work? Cheap? Last week we retired our “cheap” Jap TV…. after 27 years it finally gave up the tube.
Read the wiki article on Deming… every industry in Japan rallyed around customer centric, high quality control consumer products. we ignored our very best and brightest genius on manufacturing excellence. Yea, Detroit had short sighted management.. they were looking for quarterlies and unions were strking every other year. No one ever though about R and D and customer satisfaction.. it was too expensive. Toyota today, with UAW labor, has a manufacturing cost advantage over the Chevy Malibu of over $4,200 per car. Reason? Manufacturing flexibility and work rules.
October 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm #773031
redblackParticipantMore cars are assembled today, here in the USA .. by foreign companies, than by Ford and GM.
well, no… kidding, sherlock. they had to shorten their supply lines. the cost of shipping that many cars over the ocean is prohibitive.
The Japanese plowed billions into their manufacturing… unrestrained by union work rules. Not only are they making the cars… they are selling the robotics to GM and Ford. The got a two fer. They also have a far better educated work force. They just kicked our ass… flat out it was that simple.
why? because our government let them – hell, they encouraged it! because our people wanted cheap crap more than they wanted the manufacturing jobs. because they were convinced by people like you that “free” trade and lowering costs for business is some kind of panacea for economic woes.
and this is what it wrought: an economy with declining manufacturing because it’s cheaper to make our consumer shit overseas, reliant on the service industry, where jobs are susceptible to race-to-the-bottom wages and the hiring of illegal immigrants or migrant labor.
thanks a lot.
you know, tariffs built this country’s economy. if we had protected it, we would still have a strong manufacturing sector. but the typical republican mindset threw the baby out with the bathwater because you all hated the ford pinto or whatever.
and i knew you’d blame the UAW again. you’re as reliable as a rolex.
well, you know what? obama is right. we need to start a new kind of economic patriotism. we can do this without tariffs. we’re going to start demanding american-made goods. and if it isn’t made here, we’ll go ahead and pay those prohibitively high taxes and start our own businesses – or get a government loan!
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