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October 4, 2012 at 3:01 pm #772982
happywalkerParticipantLehrer…weak as water.
October 4, 2012 at 3:03 pm #772983
NFiorentiniMemberPeople, it’s political satire! Someone’s made vintage-looking campaign stuff that essentially says that voting for Rmoney/Ryan is voting to undo progress, while poking fun at right-wing mythology about the “good ol’ days.”
Remember the “Republicans for Valdemort” bumper stickers? It’s kinda like that.
October 4, 2012 at 3:16 pm #772984
happywalkerParticipantNFtini my bad..I get it
October 4, 2012 at 3:45 pm #772985
TanDLParticipant#24 2 much whine: Yeah… that too. I have a sneaking suspicion that little attack on PBS was planned to throw the moderator off and it worked like a charm. How rude to tell a moderator in public that you’d essentially fire him (and big bird) – nothing personal of course.
October 4, 2012 at 3:52 pm #772986
JoBParticipantAmerica wants a president that will lie to them?
it seems that is true only if the lie isn’t about sex ;->
October 4, 2012 at 4:13 pm #772987
NFiorentiniMemberI think Jim Lehrer did a marvelous job and here’s why:
You’ve heard the adage about giving someone enough rope to hang themselves? Lehrer essentially did that last night! Right off the bat, Rmoney basically stated that he was going to fire Big Bird.
You don’t jack with Big Bird. He’ll mess you up! You screw with the feathers, you gonna get the whole beak! :)
But Lehrer allowed Rmoney to say whatever he wanted to, to get off-script, and now the fact-checkers and journalists are dissecting things, as Ken’s post above shows. We’re going to learn more about Rmoney and he’s going to look even more like the typical pandering, disingenuous politician that he is.
Rmoney looked to have returned the kickoff for a touchdown last night, but the referees are conferring and it’s about to be called back…so to speak. It’s going to be determined that President Obama was the more honest candidate in last night’s debate.
If Rmoney did indeed get a bounce from last night, within a couple of days, it will have evaporated.
October 4, 2012 at 4:39 pm #772988
DBPMemberYeah, Lehrer did a good job. Consider what he was tasked with. When the President of the United States says something, it’s really hard to say “Shut up, Mr. President.” And when one guy levels a charge, it doesn’t seem fair to prevent the other guy from answering, does it? So then it just keeps going round and round that way.
Lehrer moderated at least one of the last Presidential debates too, remember? And the same thing happened then: Both candidates talked over him and ignored the rules. I thought they were both pretty rude this time too, actually. Romney came off as a little bit ruder, but that’s probably just because he’s such an impetuous person.
October 4, 2012 at 5:36 pm #772989
SmittyParticipant“Somehow in his magical world, you can have 5 trillion in tax cuts offset by closing tax loopholes.”
Romney alluded to this last night, but it bears repeating obviously.
1) By closing loopholes BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY….
2) Getting 12 million people back to work, paying taxes!
Why is this so difficult for people to understand?
His policies will create jobs that grow the number of people paying taxes. The “math” is not based off a static number. This is chess, not checkers people.
October 4, 2012 at 6:50 pm #772990
DBPMemberSmitty, we’ve been over this ground a dozen times. For four years now you’ve been crowing about how businesses aren’t hiring – even when they have the money to expand.
And what’s their reason?
“Bad business climate”
“Premonitions of doom
“Obamacare”
Meanwhile, we’ve been hearing from Boehner and ilk that their #1 priority is to take Obama down.
OK, fine. We get it. If Romney wins, all these guys will start investing in America again, making jobs for Americans and revitalizing the economy.
Let’s just call that what it is, please. It’s not an “economic policy.” It’s blackmail.
October 4, 2012 at 6:51 pm #772991
JoBParticipantSmitty..
if Romney’s polices created jobs, we wouldn’t have the mass unemployment that we have now because those polices are what we have been relying on to fix the mess.
It’s not working.
have you noticed?
October 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm #772992
SmittyParticipantWrong, JoB.
Lower tax rates being extended for one or two years at a time is MUCH different than permanent tax cuts when it comes to planning for small (or large) business(not to mention a looming tax hike in the name of Obamacare).
And, as Romney stated last night we need “good” regulation, not lots of regulation. That was his best moment of the night by the way.
October 4, 2012 at 8:48 pm #772993
JoBParticipantSmitty..
the Bush tax cuts did not produce the jobs they promised
why would new tax cuts work better?
as for that good regulation…
you might ask yourself who Romney thinks regulation should be good for…
i think you will find that the little guy is not the answer.
lots of good soundbites in that debate.
it’s too bad so many of them were based on outright deception and dare i say it.. lies.
October 4, 2012 at 8:58 pm #772994
SmittyParticipantThe Bush tax cuts abolutely helped create jobs. After the 2003 cuts the unemployment rate fell dramatically – down to 4% (sounds nice right about now, no?).
What hasn’t created any jobs is the “extension” of the tax cuts – because the yearly threat of them rising again is always on the horizon (as admitted by Obama). Add to that threat the burdens of Obamacare and the advantage of tax cuts is completely negated.
October 4, 2012 at 9:09 pm #772995
miwsParticipantYou know, when I hear of republican “job creation”, I always imagine the bulk of those jobs being the minimum wage, or not much more type, in the service economy we now have, thanks to the outsourcing of better paying jobs.
Mike
October 4, 2012 at 9:29 pm #772996
2 Much WhineParticipantC’mon Mike, there were a ton of jobs approving sub-prime mortgages. I think there were lots of great Halliburton jobs as well. Those were high paying jobs created by our previous white house occupant and his buddies.
October 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm #772997
NFiorentiniMemberHere’s a retired investment banker who says that Rmoney’s numbers just don’t add up…
http://www.nationalmemo.com/mitt-romneys-fuzzy-debate-math/
Shocked. Shocked I say.
October 4, 2012 at 10:55 pm #772998
kootchmanMemberMiddle class income rose 18% during the Bush years. Lots of it by fluffy home building stimulus in the form of “skeezer” loans. 2MW… loans rates are set by.. FHA.. it’s the benchmark. So are the credit standards. There were two partners to that dance. government colluding (course’ we can’t prosecute GSE’s for monopolistic price fixing ) what a frickin novel idea… get 12 million back to work….. and paying taxes! But that would not indenture the voting masses to subsistance and dependency. Obama is a socialist. I loved it… his green energy payoffs to his campaign bundlers… could have paid for 2 million teachers. Romneys best line… the government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers… and Obama has picked one lose after another. Even GM is a loser. 2MW… where were you when the CRA pushed subprimes on banks by force?
October 4, 2012 at 11:10 pm #772999
kootchmanMemberFor the sound bite liberals…. discount Japanese imports like Honda who had to curtail production…. even with that shortage of cars… GM sales were up form 2011… by a whopping 3.4%… Ford, 5.3%, Fiat/Chrysler 23.9 … GM market share dropped from 19.7 to 18.1… AND they still have the highest production costs in the industry… 2013 will see Honda, Nissan, Mitusbishi, back on line with full production and parts supply chain restored. Another Obama winner… at a cost to the taxpayer of more than $275,000 per “saved” job. GM is as weak now as when it was “saved” by Obama… and will continue to lose market share. That’s why the stock price is stuck. Fiat, meanwhile is the “success” story… they got to dictate the reorganization of the asset they bought. Not the White House and UAW.
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
Blame Bush, kiosks, tsunami, Wall Street, and now… Jim Leher? Really? Ha ha ha …
October 4, 2012 at 11:18 pm #773000
kootchmanMemberNo miws… there are LOTS and LOTS of high paying jobs .. going unfilled. Did ya just see Gates begging for another 250 to 300K H1 visas for skilled programmers? That is just one industry… the service jobs … well, dude if that is want you are qualified to do… that’s what ya get. The unemployment rate for qualified engineers, programmers, healthcare professionals is a “full employment”… it’s a good time to be a literate machine tool and die maker with programming skills. It’s not a good time to be a HS dropout with marginal skills found anywhere in the world…. and that my esteemed friend is the profile of 25% of our work force…. and where the bulk of the unemployment bulge is. Nice and satisfying to say the jobs went offshore…. and blame the big bad world… it was in the cards.. we had 30 years to prepare for it. we need a more educated, productive work force. We need BSEE… not Poly Sci, or Social worker degrees… unless you are happy steaming latte’s for a living.
October 4, 2012 at 11:53 pm #773001
TanDLParticipant“2MW…where were you when the CRA pushed subprimes on banks by force?”
Reading back thru miles of past postings, I’ve seen where Kootchman was taken to task on this idea several times in the forums and even had parts of the CRA quoted to him to disprove that the hapless and powerless banks were NOT forced to lend to unqualified borrowers but still he pushes the idea and spouts this BS. Does he still really believe the radio show jocks who blather this crap day in and day out or is he to be counted among the lying liars who permeate our airwaves these days to try and confuse voters? You be the judge.
October 4, 2012 at 11:56 pm #773002
TanDLParticipantHowever, Kootchman is correct about the high tech industry begging for workers to fill 3 figure jobs. We do have an education problem and kids who these days are deciding not to go to college more than ever before, because the cost of education is too high.
And I personally know too many people with Masters degrees who are kicking themselves for not going into high tech and working in low paying service jobs. They are looking for higher paid jobs and paying out most of their salaries to student loans.
So when I hear politicians carry on about how there aren’t enough jobs and jobs should be the #1 priority or we need to do this and that to support the job creators, so we can have more jobs… I think to myself that this is a really simplistic evaluation of this complex problem. There are employers out there screaming for workers and can’t find them.
October 5, 2012 at 1:42 am #773003
SmittyParticipantThe most important paragraph:
“Nevertheless, until recently, the CRA didn’t matter all that much. During the seventies and eighties, CRA enforcement was perfunctory. Regulators asked banks to demonstrate that they were trying to reach their entire “assessment area” by advertising in minority-oriented newspapers or by sending their executives to serve on the boards of local community groups. The Clinton administration changed this state of affairs dramatically. Ignoring the sweeping transformation of the banking industry since the CRA was passed, the Clinton Treasury Department’s 1995 regulations made getting a satisfactory CRA rating much harder. The new regulations de-emphasized subjective assessment measures in favor of strictly numerical ones. Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race, to rate banks on performance. There would be no more A’s for effort. Only results—specific loans, specific levels of service—would count.”
http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html
October 5, 2012 at 4:43 am #773004
dobroParticipantLast night is looking less and less incredible for for Mittsy. The thing that determines who “wins” one of these debates is what people are talking about at the water cooler the next day. And what are those things today? Big Bird and Romney’s lies. Romney’s strategy was to lie, disavow everything he’s previously said, lie, pretend he’s a moderate now, lie some more, and stare at the President with that fiendish smile looking like a rat on crack.
And he had a pre-programmed apology ready for his 47% comment that he wanted to deliver to the 50 million viewers to “humanize” himself. But the Prez was so smart he never gave him an opening to spill it! He had to go on Hannity tonight to toss it out to a fraction of the folks that would have seen it.
No game changer for you Repubs. Your sadness will be evident in just a few weeks.
October 5, 2012 at 4:48 am #773005
SmittyParticipantObama pulling the old “rope-a-dope”! Sweet!
Can you please make sure he does it again next time too…I think it is a great strategy!
October 5, 2012 at 5:32 am #773006
dobroParticipantBTW, Obama’s approval rating is up 4 points to 54% approve-42% disapprove in the Gallup tracking poll. Highest its been in 9 months.
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