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May 29, 2010 at 1:05 am #594978
SmittyParticipantSeriously, how many days are we into this thing? 40?
The governor of LA has been asking for help for a month and yet very little has been done. Bring in the guard, and build some darn protection berms.
We all understand that BP is at fault and should pay dearly. We also understand that they need to cap it, but we should be doing everything possible to shore up the coastline and suck up the oil.
Get our a$$ in there, Barry.
If only Bush had spent 3 hours on day 39 at an orchestrated press conference. Oh, the howling from the media…….
May 29, 2010 at 1:11 am #695360
dhgParticipantSo Obama held not just a press conference but an orchestrated press conference. Oh my, that sounds bad. And then there’s the speculation that if it were Bush acting this way, the media would “howl”. Really? Bush was never in front of the cameras for very long for anything that wasn’t a social event.
May 29, 2010 at 1:25 am #695361
Garden_nymphMemberPardon me, but didn’t Bush have something to do with allowing the off shore drilling in the first place?! Wasn’t the republican ticket slogan “Drill baby, drill!”?
May 29, 2010 at 1:50 am #695362
JanSParticipantFirst…if one is going to start a thread that is political in nature, please put it in the topic of politics.
Second, if one has a rant, there are rules…you need to take it to the prez(management) first before dissing him here according to the rant rules ;-)
May 29, 2010 at 2:05 am #695363
CarsonParticipantJust more proof, God hates Red States…..
May 29, 2010 at 2:22 am #695364
Garden_nymphMemberSeriously, “Barry”? Let’s not be S*itty Smitty! You are SO right, not only should the President have KNOWN about the fail safe methods that BP lied about, he should also have a solution to the problem. <said while rolling eyes> Forget the National Guard, he should call on Aquaman! Golly, if ONLY Duh-b-ya was still in office! Now, back to reality…
May 29, 2010 at 2:28 am #695365
SmittyParticipantI’m not talking about the blowout, I’m talking about the response to protecting the shoreline.
May 29, 2010 at 2:36 am #695366
CarsonParticipantRight on Smitty!! Superman would have never let it happen!! I mean its only a few miles, how tough is it to contain a little oil? 2012 can’t get here fast enough, Drill Baby Drill! You can be darn sure President Rossi would have fixed the problem by now.
May 29, 2010 at 2:40 am #695367
MousePotatoMemberMay 29, 2010 at 4:48 am #695368
SmittyParticipantMay 29, 2010 at 4:55 am #695369
miwsParticipantMay 29, 2010 at 1:01 pm #695370
SmittyParticipantHe prefers an expensive private residence in Hawaii, I believe.
Now, back to the original topic. Do you all think he is doing enough to protect the fragile coastline? I mean if guys like Carville and Chris “my leg tingles” Mathews are starting to turn it’s only a matter of time before the LMSM picks up on it – or maybe not.
May 29, 2010 at 2:02 pm #695371
CarsonParticipantSmitty, all residences in Hawaii are expensive…
May 29, 2010 at 2:23 pm #695372
miwsParticipantMaybe not, Smitty.
Another thing he hasn’t done yet, that I find maddening, is having the BP execs, (which from I’ve heard, knew the pipeline had weak points, and that they took shortcuts), arrested yet for their neglectful actions.
Mike
May 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm #695373
KenParticipantThe republican WAR on Science is still paying dividends.
The US gummint doesn’t have any robot submersibles. The depth is too deep for seawolf class subs and they could do nothing but point a camera anyway at their published max depth of 2400 ft.
If you want to know what the response is or has been at any point in the spill go here:
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/543771/
By the Numbers to Date:
* Personnel were quickly deployed and approximately 20,000 are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife.
* Approximately 1,400 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.
* Approximately 1.9 million feet of containment boom and 1.5 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 250,000 feet of containment boom and 950,000 feet of sorbent boom are available.
* Approximately 11.8 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.
* Approximately 870,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—700,000 on the surface and 170,000 subsea. More than 400,000 gallons are available.
* 17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.
Apparently all the boom material in the US has been used or is onsite and being deployed and more is being shipped as it is manufactured.
If your complaining that Obama did not do enough photo-ops then that fits in well with the whole republican magical thinking meme.
Nearly every other non third world country which does oil drilling off shore, requires relief wells to be drilled at the same time as the primary, requires far more expensive blow out prevention equipment, and closely supervises operations and has government scientist/ geologist have veto power over oil company actions.
Republicans made damn sure this was not the case in the US.
If you can’t do anything more than parrot the radio wingnuts perhaps a heapin helpin of STFU should be on the menu.
May 29, 2010 at 3:14 pm #695374
miwsParticipantThank you Ken.
One of the reasons I rarely get into debates here, or elsewhere, is because I don’t do a lot of in depth reading on things. With my short attention span, my mind wanders, or I otherwise get easily distracted.
So, I rely on snippets and gut feeling to form my opinion, and since many people, understandably, want factual resources to back up my claims, well, I don’t have them unless I go looking for them and then read the entire (often long) article to make sure it actually states my point.
Mike
May 29, 2010 at 4:01 pm #695375
uglybrowncrowMemberThe bottom line is the bottom line $$$$$. Our government doesn’t learn jack and will let another foreign oil co. come over and do damage to our ecosystem in another fifteen years.
May 29, 2010 at 4:21 pm #695376
SmittyParticipantKen,
What about the LA governor’s requests that have been stuck in D.C. for three weeks? Build some berms(sp?) with things called bulldozers. Again, just for the slow ones, I am not asking for Barry to plug the hole, I am asking him to allow the governor of LA to do what he wants to do to protect the coastline.
Thoughts?
(please try and stay on topic)
May 29, 2010 at 9:54 pm #695377
dhgParticipantSmitty: You may not think Obama is doing enough but I suspect there is nothing Obama could do (short of a parting of the waters) that would impress you. There is a site that explains what has been done: http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill
It may not be everything on your list but I believe the government is engaged and doing everything it can and this is in stark contrast to the Bush’s SIT ON YOUR HANDS approach to Katrina.
May 30, 2010 at 12:20 am #695378
JoBParticipantsmitty..
i too think our government has not done enough.. but the sad sad truth is that BP really does have more advanced technology than the US govt when it comes to this disaster.. and beyond that they control the contracts for spill recovery by law:(
Here you see the ugly outcome of extreme privatization. After 8 years of Bush/Cheny’s systematic decimation of the US govt’s ability to respond to disasters while handing out critical response to private contractors without oversight or regulation. not pretty.
Not to mention bankrupting the treasury by waging war on the behalf of those same oil companies and nearly toppling our economic stability…
but hey.. blame Obama… it sure is easier than accepting responsibility.
Extreme conspiracy theorists on the left think BP ran risks for political reasons as well as economic. If you can’t win on substance.. a good smear campaign works every time.
this is some smear.
May 30, 2010 at 12:27 am #695379
KenParticipantBerms.
The areas of coastline where they HAVE thrown up berms, using dredged material or trucked in material, have poisoned the habitat the plants and animals rely on as badly as the oil would. The threatened area includes salt marsh, brackish marsh, and freshwater wetlands. Each ecosystem reacts differently to dredged material. Some can tolerate berms better than others. The LA plan is similar to the hurricane barrier plans they never wanted to pay for. Getting BP to pay for it seems like a win win for Jindel. If he can blame Obama he gets a twofer.
You can protect a beach or an industrial area with berms and that is being done.
The wetlands Jindel is destroying will not start to recover until the next major hurricane scours out the berm material and the oil. Many of the proposed areas were damaged by dredging by oil companies in the past and some damaged by the dredging of the shipping channel which has been converting salt marsh to fresh and back again since the 19th century.
Three weeks is light speed for the Corps of Engineers.
They approved one as a test a couple of days ago but politicians of any stripe (and in Louisiana, there is no difference between Rep and Dem)benefit from action even if it is wrong.
May 30, 2010 at 12:43 am #695380
CarsonParticipantSmitty, are you holding Obama to a higher level of accountability than you hold Bush #1 to? (Exxon Valdez) Because if you want to talk about total failure, in regards to the ecology and personal economic recovery (the residents), that is still the Gold Standard of failure.
May 30, 2010 at 1:12 am #695381
Garden_nymphMemberKen,
You continue to amaze me! Smitty, your bridge is calling and wants you to come home.
May 31, 2010 at 6:48 am #695382
JohnsonMemberCould anyone put me in touch w/ Smitty?
I’ve been looking for a good Tea Bagger and he seems to fill the bill
May 31, 2010 at 8:39 am #695383
Garden_nymphMemberTea Bagger…(she says giggling)
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