domestic terrorism

[JoB]

a fairly well balanced article if you follow all the links…

there have been 3 murders since April…

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/04/15/conservatives-outraged-at-report-characterizing-right-wing-extremism/

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[Jiggers]

LOL..I thought this was a West Seattle blog forums only. Anyways, I’ll blame the sun’s heat for a lot of things.

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[rockhills]

I’ll admit that I just skimmed the article–it’s late–but criminals are criminals, whatever ideology they attempt to use as justification. My glass of wine tempts me to take this further, but I don’t have the energy for the ensuing fight.

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[JoB]

rockhills…

so was 911 or the earlier attack on the world trade center or the idiot who bombed a govt bldg murder or terrorism?

if terrorism… what qualified it? intent? volume? if volume.. how many?

just asking.. you are safe with your wine..

or not.

i didn’t post to argue but to open conversation…

For the record.. i believe that murders committed against institutions (individuals killed as a representative of their institutions) are domestic terrorism.

the old 60s chick in me questions whether property crimes fit the same criteria… the 60 yr old in me thinks they probably do… mostly because i have difficulty coming up with a clear definition for when they wouldn’t… with one notable exception.. graffitti…

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[rockhills]

JoB…

Both, of course. Who ever said they were mutually exclusive?

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[jamminj]

I fear that this is going to get more frequent. While we live in our nice little WS world, there is a torrent of hatred that is being bred out there that very few of us even realize.

The MOB has gone internet. While a mob in the past happened due to a large gathering that went uncontrolled, it was all due to a physical nature. People had to show up for a mob to take place.

Now we have many people eoyj the same beliefs, many who are even loners now connected to others with the same beliefs thru mass media and the net. Mobs are now created without the physical presence.

Unfortunately, now with an audience, these extremists will only grow and and encouraged to act out even further.

These aren’t lone individual nut jobs… these are connected people with deep ideological beliefs and feel that the time is now for them to make their change.

Unfortunately, it will only grow.

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[HMC Rich]

I fear you are correct jamminj. I have always believed education and not indoctrination are the best tools against this. Another nut falls from the tree. The hate displayed is tragic. I feel so bad for the family of the security guard, Mr. Johns, who was killed.

This Von Brunn would have made Hitler proud. This and the others are sickening. I wonder how people can have so much hate in them? Another tragedy.

I am right wing but in no way can a proper minded person support this type of violence or ideology. This type of belief the shooter has, does not mirror a conservatives view of the world. Extremist falls short as a definition. I hope there are not any more murders but I am afraid there might be a few more.

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[TheHouse]

Please don’t confuse being “conservative” with being radical (although I get the impression that many media outlets would like to paint that picture).

I truly am not worried about things like this. Radicals have been around since the beginning of time and although it is a shame when things like this happen, by no means would I be concerned about an uprising of Neo-Nazis.

This guy was one jerkoff and unfortunately the security guards missed their mark and he survived. Now he will die in prison.

Extremists on both sides of the fence ruin it for the rest of us that fall into the middle on topics.

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[JoB]

jamminj…

i am afraid you are right.. the availability of like minded individuals on the internet has made martyrs out of people who would once have just been considered nut jobs…

and it is even worse when their killings are effective.. as in the Tiller family closing his clinic.

Being a bully works… and they can go home and be instantly praised for their violence… an ugly viscous circle.

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[JanS]

and now, Operation Rescue wants to buy the Tiller clinic, and establish it as a “shrine” to the babies….good grief..

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[JoB]

a shrine to the man who killed the baby killer is more like it…

i would hope the family burned it to the ground before they sold it to them.. but from their statement that they would not only close the clinic but they would not be involved in any clinic.. i am guessing they have been getting some pretty substantial threats.. who knows what those threats will cause them to do.

how can anyone wonder why we see a connection between groups like Operation Rescue and “nut jobs” who murder to achieve their goals?

There was a time when common decency.. public opinion.. would have made any such purchase on their part socially taboo…

but if you can create a community that never sees you but still supports you.. that hears only your version of reality… you become less concerned about what the rest of the world will think of your behavior.

So much for common decency… violence and murder are the logical extension of hate rhetoric.. and will only increase as that rhetoric is institutionalized into our society.

And that’s not good for anyone… no wonder bullying has gotten out of hand in our schools… it’s the example we are setting for our children.

this is a problem that people on both sides of the political aisle need to own and rectify…

or we will have to accept increasing domestic terrorism and hope we are not at the wrong place at the wrong time when some “nut job” decides to kill in support of their cause…

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[charlabob]

I just heard a proChoice alliance is going to try to buy the property to keep it open. Should at least be an interesting auction.

I’m well aware that not all conservatives are killers; after a few years of being called every name in the book and being accused of “hating” bush and cheney because I do, in fact, loathe almost all olf their policies, I’m just not going to argue that irrelevant point anymore. I can tell the difference–I’m not sure most folks on the right can.

BTW, thank you, congress, for making sure that the DC city council could not outlaw guns. Don’t we all feel safer?

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[HMC Rich]

Fair minded people who follow the rule of law can tell the difference. This is not a normal left/right us versus them issue.

He hated Bush & Cheney, he hated FOX News and Rupert Murdoch, he hated Neo-Cons. He had the address of the Weekly Standard which was near the vicinity of the shooting. He hated Jews and was a holocaust denier. He obviously hated blacks and was a white supremicist.

This guy was more twisted than a tornado. He was a nut. Normal politics does not play into this. How can it?

You will find people on both sides of the aisle who are jerks. Conservatives and Progressives give and get the same kind of ranting from the other side. I wish people could debate instead of argue and call each other names. Have your “facts” ready and know that we cannot all be correct always.

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[JoB]

HMCRich..

“I wish people could debate instead of argue and call each other names. Have your “facts” ready and know that we cannot all be correct always. “

I am afraid we can thank reality television and reality television news broadcasts… and reality tv political “commentators” for what seems to be a national inability to tell the difference between one-upmanship and actual debate…

To make a point in debate, you actually have to propose something.. and defend it… not just trash the other person’s ideas…and if that fails, trash the person.

When reasonable rational people demand reasonable rational discourse.. on both sides of an issue.. instead of simply reacting to buzzwords… we find ourselves closer in our goals than our political affiliations would indicate.

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