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September 24, 2011 at 7:03 pm #600678
JanSParticipantWhether you’re Dem. or Repub., more on the conservative side or on the liberal side, how do you feel about Rick Santorum’s answer to this question? How do you feel about the silence of the rest of the candidates when he answered this soldier, and the audience’s reaction of booing the soldier? Good article…
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/dont-ask/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1
September 24, 2011 at 9:27 pm #735253
SmittyParticipant1) Since when are two guys booing considered an “audience”? Heck, the two guys may have been booing the fact that the question was allowed to be asked, not necessarily the guy himself for all we know.
2) I kind of agree, why is it even an issue? Everyone should be able to serve (even the 1% of the population that is gay) without it ever becoming an issue.
September 24, 2011 at 9:28 pm #735254
SmittyParticipantdouble post…..
September 24, 2011 at 9:58 pm #735255
anonymeParticipantMaybe it was the same guy in the audience who yelled “YES!!” when the Repug panel was asked if people who had lost their jobs, along with their health insurance, should just be allowed to die. The panel was completely silent then as well.
Silence is complicity…
September 24, 2011 at 9:59 pm #735256
dhgParticipantSo now just 1% of the population is gay? Oh, this SO fits in with the right wing idea of enforcing inequality. You can say, “Look, only 1% of the population is gay so why even consider their needs? Let their partners die in the hospital alone. There are so few it doesn’t matter.”
September 24, 2011 at 10:20 pm #735257
dhgParticipantHey, did you catch the current front page story about the gay couple whose cars were broken into and a note telling them to leave. Guess because gays are only 1% of the population there’s nothing to be concerned about here.
September 24, 2011 at 11:39 pm #735258
SmittyParticipantHuh? I don’t care if gays are .00001 percent, hate crimes are never, ever, ever ok. Sorry if I was unclear.
As for gays in the military, let them serve. Just not sure why sexual orientation ever has to come up?
I think the rhetoric on the Left is much more civil. To quote Bill Maher:
“Sarah Palin Would ‘F–k’ Rick Perry If He Was Black”
Thoughts, Jan?
September 25, 2011 at 12:58 am #735259
dobroParticipantBill Maher is a comedian, not “the Left”. These are the kind of pathetic examples right wingers have to reach for to find their uncivil comments. The people this thread is about are running for the Republican presidential nomination. They are the ones who didn’t have the decency to speak up when audience members were booing a soldier. Got any examples of that kind of rhetoric from a Democratic presidential candidate?
The fact that you think gays represent 1 per cent of the population shows the level of your interest in factual information.
September 25, 2011 at 2:56 am #735260
dhgParticipantSo what, exactly, is the point of repeating the misinformation that gays are 1% of the population?
As for why sexual orientation would have to ever come up, it happens when you live with a tight community in a tight space. You think gays should fake it and pretend to be straight or you think they should not talk. Neither is actually workable and the latter actually leads to violence.
Silence has been tried. It can be deadly. Teams of men taught to kill do not accept an aloof mate.
September 25, 2011 at 4:31 am #735261
miwsParticipantJust not sure why sexual orientation ever has to come up?
Because the religious right repubs make a big stink over it?
Mike
September 25, 2011 at 1:32 pm #735262
JoBParticipantWhat is most disturbing to me is not just that those kind of comments are being made… but that they are being made in public political venues without comment from those whose aspire to be our leaders.
The phrase rude, crude and socially unacceptable seems to be passe…
and yet, regardless of who that kind of remarks are directed at…
they are rude and crude and certainly should be socially unacceptable…
especially in a formalized public political venue.
Instead of rationalizing.. we should be condemning
no mater which “side” this kind of behavior comes from.
September 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm #735263
JoBParticipantI just now read the front page story about thugs who sign themselves the KKK and presume to police our neighborhoods in our name…
Yup.. in our name.
All hate crimes begin with hate speech
and as long as we don’t take a stand against that kind of speech every place we find it
we are as complicit as those Republican presidential hopefuls
who listened respectfully
as their colleague proceeded to demean a citizen of this United States who chose military service to their country.
and equally respectfully to thugs in the crowd who shouted anti-gay slurs
shame on them
shame on us for buying the bullshit that this kind of speech is ok when cloaked in political rhetoric …
it’s not ok
it’s not ok from a podium
it’s not ok from audience members
it’s not ok on our nightly news
it’s not ok on our streets or in our schools
and it’s really not ok typewritten on a message bound to a rock thrown through a window
it’s time we decided whether we are going to let the bullies
set our national conversation
set the agenda
and bully our neighbors
I am not up for that
are you?
September 25, 2011 at 4:51 pm #735264
SmittyParticipantSo the Republicans are responsible for the hate crime on 50th?
This is like the lame argument that the Palin cross-hair map (as opposed to the democrat strategic committee cross-hair map) created the atmosphere for the Arizona shooting.
S t r e t c h
September 25, 2011 at 6:30 pm #735265
JanSParticipantSmitty..you don’t really get it, do you? Where did JoB say that the Repubs are responsible for the hate crime on 50th? It’s the attitude that we-YOU- don’t decry these things when they happen. Rick Santorum is an idiot. He should have been shouted down at the get go, and the fact that the rest of the crowd, Perry, Romney, Cain, et. al. let him do it speaks volumes about how far we haven’t come. They are running for the office of the President of the US of A. And it’s pathetic that some have decided that they will be president of just those that are heterosexual.
And…if you’ve been in any of the armed forces, you know how ludicrous it is for Mr. Santorum to state unequivocally that there should be NO sexual activity in the military. LOLOL!
And the fact that you seem to be defending him? Or defending the entire crew of candidates? I can’t comprehend that. We do have a long, long way to go in this country, don’t we?
September 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm #735266
redblackParticipantwhy would i watch that debate? it was a rerun. i saw it 30 years ago.
supply-side. lower taxes. the american government is corrupt and evil. “job creators” are holy. democrats are socialist bums. pro-my-kind-of-life. the constitution is based on christian doctrine.
all filtered through corporate media and lame non-questions.
i did note that the former governor, gary johnson (R-NM), was invited this time, though. you know: the only anti-drug-prohibition republican on the slate. i heard him interviewed by david schuster not too long ago. from a democrat’s perspective, he’s the only electable one on the menu.
did he get to field any questions? and if he did, were they loaded questions that made him appear radical and dangerous?
September 25, 2011 at 7:34 pm #735267
JoBParticipantwhat i find interesting is that the straw poll selected a dark horse candidate..
one i personally think a bigger fool than the rest
September 25, 2011 at 7:35 pm #735268
JoBParticipantSeptember 25, 2011 at 8:06 pm #735269
SmittyParticipant“what i find interesting is that the straw poll selected a dark horse candidate..”
If only I would have said that………..
September 25, 2011 at 8:56 pm #735270
JanSParticipantHerman Cain…as the founder of Godfather’s Pizza, what exactly qualifies him to be Prez? besides that he fits the age, etc. criteria. I’m thinking he should have run for something smaller first…dogcatcher, perhaps? to show people what he’s made of in the trenches…but, that’s just my opinion…worth, a penny in this economy..
September 26, 2011 at 2:24 am #735271
JoBParticipantsmitty…
why would you read racial implications into a perfectly reasonable statement?
dark horse candidates have traditionally been white men
occassionally they aren’t .. sometimes they are even women
September 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm #735272
BostonmanMemberThe only thing I can add after watching the debate is if Perry is nominated I will vote for Obama. Ohhh I said it even as a right wing conservative. I do love listening to guys bash republicans lol. We are all Christian, right wing, corporate loving racists.
Hermain Cain only has a few less years of political experience than Obama. I don’t really care how people in the audience reacted to a gay soldier. The candidates reaction is nothing more than what you want to read into it.
September 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm #735273
redblackParticipanti’m not bashing you, bostonman. i’m bashing GOP politicians.
September 27, 2011 at 4:03 am #735274
kootchmanMemberYea that wizard we have now in the big house…he sure came qualified to run this economy and it shows… say… where was Obama and his condemnation of Jimmy Hoffa Jr.? That was hate speech..nary a peep from the Prez. Dudes and Dudettes….. we who served all know we served with gays..it was not earth shattering…much ado about nothing… who wants sex with anyone after 5 days in the boonies, 110 degree heat, sweaty crotches, and no showers? Just stay awake on post, be a good shot, and do your job. Ya had to do something…and get caught… but then again… heterosexual sex was illegal too.
September 27, 2011 at 4:09 am #735275
JanSParticipantthis has absolutely nothing to do with Obama…I just wanted opinions about this. Heterosexual sex, on their own time, is perfectly legal in the military now…and happens often, I’m sure. My opinion is that I don’t think someone should get in trouble with the military for something they do in a bedroom on their own time, whether it’s same sex or opposite sex. And, frankly, I think Rick Santorum is way outta line…maybe a stint in Afghanistan would so him some good.
September 27, 2011 at 4:30 am #735276
kootchmanMemberUh Jan.. YOUR post #19 ? Solicitation is illegal….conduct unbecoming, and carnal knowledge are ALL covered under the UCMJ and all of them can include sex as an element…. sooo Ms. Jan .. depending on the attitudes of your CO… sex can certainly cost you money, promotion, and brig time… screw a junior enlisted mans wife.. on your own time, consensual or not… you are dead on arrival in front of the old man…
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