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  • #769440

    JanS
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    DBP…for the record…Kman is convinced that women are not as pissed of as JoB says..so I was simply giving an example of one pissed off woman. Now…for the record some more. I do not agree with this woman’s stand on adoption.

    I did find it interesting, though, that you think that a woman who puts her feelings in writing on a blog is a blowhard….wow..do you feel that way about all women who express their feelings, without giving you a dissertation about the rest of their lives? Did I misunderstand?

    #769441

    DBP
    Member

    Feelings are ok, on this blog and anywhere else. As long as they are not held up as being facts, or as being more valid than facts.

    Facts are ok, too. As long as they are not allowed to trump feelings.

    #769442

    JanS
    Participant

    I was posting one woman’s feelings…what? we can’t have those? The fact is, Kootchman has no idea how many pissed off women are out here, and I’m betting the number is greater than he thinks – his opinion, not his facts…but you didn’t have an argument with that? Or do you have an argument with what he considers his “facts”?

    #769443

    kootchman
    Member

    I don’t care how many “pissed off” women are out there. All I care about is jobs, GDP, and deficits. I know women are a Democratic core.. we don’t need them all… just enough to take the White House back. I can read poll data. Mayhaps you underestimate the number of women who don’t think the government should be their surrogate “big daddy” … whose main role is to provide free birth control. No other issue is as important. we will know by 7PM, November 2.

    #769444

    kootchman
    Member

    TanDL… but the total number of employed fell… that means, there are the hundreds and hundreds of thousands who just gave up. I can predict any outcome, and then use the statistics to justify it. A recovery is when you start slapping 1.5 million jobs per month…. we have 23 million who are out of the work force. It’s called the U6 rate. We will get the U3 rate tomorrow. The key number that counts EVERYONE is U6. But 200K is better than 130K.. but it’s a drip in a 55 gallon drum. JoB go tell your steel Magnolias to grow up, act responsibly and buy their own birth control or have their paramours slip on the old condoms?!! Hey there is a novel idea!

    #769445

    kootchman
    Member

    Should have used union electricians at the DNC.. no matter how hard they tried… the just couldn’t get Obama out of the shadow of Bill Clinton… (stolen from Jay Leno…but sooo true!)

    #769446

    JanS
    Participant

    certainly know that I don’t want YOU for a “big daddy!” And…if you’re concerned about jobs, get Boehner to cooperate and compromise…get McConnel to cooperate and compromise…and…the latest jobs report is better than expected…but we know that you’ll just poopoo it…so..save your fingers, and your breath..

    #769447

    dobro
    Participant

    “A recovery is when you start slapping 1.5 million jobs per month…”

    We know Bill Clinton did that. Who was the last Republican President to meet that figure?

    #769448

    dobro
    Participant

    BTW, did any of you guys go see the movie? Review?

    #769449

    Smitty
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    “We know the Republican Congress did that. When was the last Democrat(ic) Congress to meet that figure?

    Fixed.

    #769450

    kootchman
    Member

    well here;s the thing dobro… Clinton isn;t running.. but on his watch the NASDAQ lost 47%w of it;s value… and he set the table more than any President for the economic recession we are in.. need I list again the CRA rewrite, repeal of Glass Steagall . deregulation of Derivatives so he could get his CRA to fly… NAFTA. China trade agreements? . Did you happen to note Dobro… Clinton got NONE of that economic success til he dropped Hilarycare, and faced off with a Republican House and Senate and followed their budget? Read the excerpts from Bob Woodwards new book… “The Price of Politics”… where Obama called in the House and Senate leaders… see what he told Cantor.. read how Nancy Pelosi hit the mute button while Obama was on the speaker phone… this partisan division, started three days after Obama took office. Cantor went in with a spirit of bi-partisan suggestions.. lowered tax rates for the poor, no income tax on unemployment, 20? cut in taxes for small business… but Obama had unions and Wall Street donors to pay off.solar panels and windmills to build, a carbon industry to hobble…amateur idealogy,, completely ignored Cantor… “small business” needed the help..and Obama was too smart to take advice and counsel. .Woodward reports int he first meeting Obama told him.. “elections have consequences and we won” that ended bi-partisan governance… immediately and effectively. At least we KNOW Romney can govern in a bi-partisan government. Obama couldn’t. See we are holding Obama accountable for the last four years… we have gone from Hope and Change to “Be Patient” .. ain’t very inspiring. Seems Woodward isn’t very kind to Obama and we know he is no Republican!!!!! Perspective .. cause and effect.

    #769451

    dobro
    Participant

    “We know the Republican Congress did that. When was the last Democrat(ic) Congress to meet that figure?”

    If its Congress who creates all those jobs why the heck are you blaming Obama for the unemployment rate? I believe all finance related (jobs) bills in Congress must originate in the House (currently controlled by Repubs). Are you saying all this unemployment stuff is their fault?

    #769452

    dobro
    Participant

    “Clinton isn;t running.. but on his watch the NASDAQ lost 47%w of it;s value… and he set the table more than any President for the economic recession we are in…faced off with a Republican House and Senate and followed their budget?”

    how did he do that tablesettin’ when it was the Republican Congress whose will he was following? And didn’t you just say the stock market doesn’t mean sh!t except if it went down 3000 points, then it would be Obama’s fault? I think it might be past the old Perfesser’s bedtime, he’s soundin’ a tad befuddled.

    #769453

    HMC Rich
    Participant

    Dobro. TARP and Stimulus and regulations are still in effect when the Democrats owned the House Senate and Presidency. No Budget changes to stop the spending.

    Obama promised to cut the debt, but it only rose. Obama said Unemployment would not go above 8%. It did and has stayed there.

    You guys complain about the tax rates, but you don’t complain about the spending and the new monkey on our back called ACA.

    Your leaders at the convention got caught lying in front of GOD and the country trying to hide your far left hate of GOD and how you despise Israel. You are more concerned about a woman who doesn’t want a kid after having sex than the termination of a life.

    You had no problem with an Inconveniant Truth that has been proven to be wrong on many fronts.

    So Please. The country is in the doldrums. You elected a self made Socialist and now you are seeing socialist stagnation. Sucks to be us.

    Go Romney and Ryan.

    #769454

    JanS
    Participant

    lol…the ACA is here to stay, I’m thinking. Do you really think that seniors are going to put up with the donut hole again? And that’s just one thing.

    ah, yes…socialist…name call when you have nothing else..

    no, Rich…we want men to keep their legislation out of our vaginas and uteri (can’t be any clearer than that)…you are so damned concerned with what a woman does or doesn’t do…why is that? what’s it to ya? wow…and you accuse us?

    #769455

    JanS
    Participant

    and where do you come up with we all hate G-d? I don’t have to believe what you believe…but hate? HATE? SERIOUSLY? You know better than that…at least, I think you do…I’ll give you that much. God shouldn’t be part of any platform..or are you all worried about the Communist scourge again?

    #769456

    miws
    Participant

    Go Romney and Ryan.

    ….and don’t let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out!

    Mike

    #769457

    TanDL
    Participant

    HMC.. Dude. Chill out. Your statements are sweeping gross generalizations on a whole diverse part of the U.S. Democrats are no more all god haters than Republicans are frigid. Granted we have an ideolgical differences on economic and social issues, but we’re still all Americans.

    “Self made Socialist”… really? Get a grip, man. We’ve had Socialist types of programs in this country for years and have managed somehow to survive and at times, even thrive. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the Banks, because there was too much national and global risk involved in letting them fail and most other Presidents would have done the same. Do you think Reagan, Nixon, HW Bush would have let the banks fail? And those Presidents also had to let some of their promises go. Remember the promise “Read my lips, no new taxes.” Promises made – promises broken. You can promise your kids a new car when they turn 16 too, but if when they turn 16 you’re in a personal economic crisis and don’t have the money to do that, you may have to break your promise. Life and outside forces sometimes do that to you.

    Why do we hold our Presidents – and mostly this one – to a higher standard?

    #769458

    JanS
    Participant

    for HMC Rich…I couldn’t resist:

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    #769459

    dobro
    Participant

    So did any of you guys ever go see this movie? Review?

    #769460

    redblack
    Participant

    i saw d’souza address americans for austerity – oops! that’s prosperity, dick armey’s PAC – and talk about his book on c-span 2 yesterday.

    the thing that struck me is that he consistently attributed thoughts and motives to obama without actually citing anything. there was, however, lots of speculation on the meaning of the title of obama’s book, dreams from my father. there was lots of speculation on obama’s desire to marginalize america. d’souza decried the notion that america shouldn’t consume as much of the world’s natural resources as we do – whether or not obama has ever said or implied that.

    but nothing was cited.

    the Q&A from the audience was intersting, too. there were a few questions about the mechanics of obama suspending elections, martial law, and what the response from the (presumably armed) citizenry should be.

    #769461

    JanS
    Participant

    what I see about d’souza is..it’s all speculation. If he can’t get down to the nitty gritty facts, it’s just an opinion. You and I have opinions, too. What makes him any different, and why is he getting so much press?

    #769462

    DBP
    Member

    Where the hell is JV? Did he see this film or not?

    #769463

    redblack
    Participant

    well, i sure as heck am not giving that kook a thin dime for that bit of yellow “journalism” if his film is anything like the book he describes.

    #769464

    kootchman
    Member

    He may have ben speculating.. but with some basis. He certainly has marginalized us. I am a senior,… they can close that donut hole tomorrow… what’s the matter… cradle to grave government actually missed a couple of years? How did that happen? He’s getting so much press because he has a NY Times Bestseller and is on pace to have the most widely viewed documentary in US History.. Sure has hit the sweet spot of crossing over to the popular culture.

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