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[JoB]

Dave.

any woman who loses a child… to abortion, to adoption, to miscarriage, to still birth, to crib death, to death at any time… faces a lifetime of regrets and pain.

no matter the cause, losing a child is a painful process… often made worse when the decision was your own.

This issue is far more complicated than what happens to a fetus.

[acemotel]

“It has been documented and proven….that a fetus DOES feel pain….”

Please provide evidence. Is the documentation based on exit interviews? TIA

[JoB]

Dave,

no you don’t have to have a resume to protest…

i personally find it helpful to ask myself how much responsibility i am willing to take for the consequences of my actions before i protest private individuals decisions though.. as you are doing when you protest outside an abortion clinic…

Are you passing along referrals to agencies that will help these women responsibly raise their children along with ant-abortion information?

Do you choose to financially support those agencies?

If not, why not?

what gives you the right to insist that women assume a lifetime commitment because you think abortion is wrong..

because this is about far more than a fetus.

[JenV]

Dave and NR should start a new topic about abortion, this thread is about the protest at Mars Hill against Ted Tripp. Let’s not confuse the two.

[Dave]

that link is really well-rounded (hard to find with this subject), thanks for the contribution.

doesn’t sound like I’m getting much traction on the spanking is pain and abortion is pain parallel…

I was just musing on another parallel. Spanking causes long-term psychological pain and children that survive abortions (rare, but it does happen) also have psychological pain to cope with!

[Anonymous]

“one individual speaking up can make a difference…”

Let’s not forget to thank Nico for bringing this to everyone’s attention. I saw the post here, in the Ballard blog, and in the Seattle Times forum, where she was often debating others by herself. In addition, she has been maintaining 2 blogs for updates and information.

Thank-you Nico, for being willing to expose your own pain in order to prevent others from having the same experience.

[Anonymous]

“what are you personally doing to help prevent unwanted pregnancies and what are you personally doing to help improve the living conditions for children who are not lucky enough to be born to financially stable committed parents?” – JoB

The above are great questions presented by JoB. I, too have a question:

Why would you have unprotected sex with someone you don’t even like enough to have children with? Oh, that’s right, because you can terminate the life of those children through abortion.

It has been documented, proven, argued that a fetus DOES feel pain. I know that it is much easier to believe that a fetus is nothing more than a tiny cell with no capacity for feeling, but anyone that wants to take that stance should research it.

I also believe that it is disrespectful to lecture to Dave on how to go about his protest. Why would you assume that his protest would not be as peaceful as your own this evening?

If you want to stand up for children, then go to the source. The parents. Parents should not spank their infants, but if they are incapable of raising a child appropriately, they shouldn’t be practicing unprotected sex in the first place. Abortion is too often used as a way to take away responsibility.

Welcome Dave.

[Dave]

I respect you for the compassion you have for others and all that you do for them. I must admit my resume is not as lengthy.

Additionally, the burden of “taking responsibility for all children who are born” is a bit weightier than I think I am capable of alone.

Which begs a philosophical question: Does one have to have a resume (commitment to quote yourself) in order to not have a hypocritical opinion? Also, does one need to take what sounds like global responsibility on their shoulders to take part in expressing their opinion?

Do I need to have a litany of anti-war protests or green initiatives or habitat for humanity service under my belt before an opinion is deemed un-hypocritical when speaking on one of these matters? Does voting, or giving money count, or just action? Must I be willing to take total responsibility for those in war torn countries and for trees and forests everywhere?

If that’s the prerequisite, I for sure am done for as an activist. Anyway, just a thought…

[miws]

I should be able to make either day. But, I’ll likely join JoB in heckling.

I would normally claim poor bowling skills for backing out of throwing some gutter balls, but now I have the excuse of recouping physically from my hospital stay. ;)

Tomorrow, I plan to venture out on a bus ride to the Junction for the car show. Should be good for building up my stamina!

Mike

[JoB]

link to the gogglepage for info

http://groups.google.com/group/stopthehitting

i tried the link i posted above and didn’t get through.. so i am reposting it. who knows what i did wrong the first time:)

[JenV]

RS, that rug really tied the room together…

[meg]

Oooooh! Sounds fun!

[JoB]

bump.. this just gets better every time i listen to it..

it’s only noon on day two and they were rapidly approaching 650 hits before noon..

cool!

[CM]

Doesn’t mean much unless you’re going to build or extensively remodel. It means there are dirrerent controls on how deep you can dig, with appropriate offsets for how high you can build.

http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/news/20080730d.asp

[villagegreen]

I did some research and, Magpie, it sounds like you are correct. The seccession talk in the 90’s was due to the Urban Villages that were being planned for the city. From what I read, it sounds like WS was opposed to development (sound familiar). People were offended that no ‘Villages’ were planned for Capitol Hill or Magnolia. This seems explained by the fact that Capitol Hill was already very dense and Magnolia didn’t already have the commercial zoning in place to accommodate such development. According to figures I read, at that time, WS comprised 15% of the city’s population, but was only slated for 10% of the projected growth. I guess I can now understand why WS has been saddled with the NIMBY label.

On the other hand, seccession talk back in the 70’s seems more legitimate. The city wouldn’t pay for a new bridge and WS got sick of waiting on action. Sound familiar – it still takes forever for anything to get done in this town. Why don’t we vote on something half a dozen times just to make sure we know where the people stand – ridiculous.

So, while The Stranger comment is offensive (and also most likely meant facetiously), I now understand (partially) why friends around the city still refer to West Seattleites as spoiled NIMBYs. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but get the reference.

At the same time, I’d rather be known as an A$$hole than a YUPPIE (which is how The Stranger described all of Wallingford and Queen Anne).

[firehorse1]

We are digging out our manure pit on Friday/Saturday September 26/27th. We have hired a loader and a 10 yard dump truck and will deliver to the West Seattle area. The cost for the load is $100 for the whole 10 yards. The delivery is free. We can also load your truck for $10/yard.

This is wonderful for your garden. We don’t feed whole grains but do feed sunflower seeds so you might get a few growing in your garden.

[charlabob]

BDG, here’s an article, backed by science, about when the fetus can feel pain. I apologize on behalf of Dave for the threadjack :-)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pain.htm

[RS]

I’m in!! Either day works for me and my dude. Can we dress as our favorite Big Lebowski character??

Thanks for getting the ball rolling! (bowling jokes never get old right?)

[JoB]

dave..

sorry.. this triggered a real hot spot for me.

i hope if you choose to protest, you do no more than what i will outside the Mars Hill Church.. respectfully hand out information… and respect their right to make their own choice.

I would still hope that if you choose to try to influence someone else’s choices, that you would also be equally willing to help them do what it takes to carry that choice through the rest of their lifetime.

And yes, i have made that pledge and am already carrying that out in regards to the Tedd Tripp protest.

[JenV]

you can protest as much as you want Dave – but I guarantee my voice will be louder than yours. Here’s a thought- if you don’t like abortion, don’t have one! It’s my body, my choice. It always cracks me up anyway when men get involved in the abortion debate. It would be akin to me telling you what you can do with your testicles.

[JoB]

Dave,

i will ask you the same questions that i ask every person i encounter who talks to me about opposing the right of choice for women.

what are you personally doing to help prevent unwanted pregnancies and what are you personally doing to help improve the living conditions for children who are not lucky enough to be born to financially stable committed parents?

I have earned the right to ask by living what i believe…

i try to help young women.. even those who don’t belong to my family… to learn how to make positive choices for themselves that include not having children they can’t support financially or emotionally.

I try to do whatever i can to encourage and support young mothers who have children in less than ideal circumstances to make better choices for themselves and to teach their children to make better choices.

I give money to local agencies that help women and children to the slim chance at bettering themselves.

I quietly help financially support individuals through crisis when i can.

I speak up for providing adequate nutrition, education and resources for all children.. not just those who are privileged.

And.. i made the hard personal choice to have a child and give it up.. and have lived the consequences of that choice.. paying a price that far exceeds nine months of gestation.

Unless your commitment to living children is a strong as your commitment to the unborn…

it is a bit hypocritical to protest abortion on the basis of the possible pain a fetus incurs.

If your real opposition is religious..

i would remind you that you enjoy the right to choose your own religion and to practice your beliefs … a right guaranteed by the constitution.

but the same constitution guarantees the right of all citizens to pursue their own individual religious beliefs and/or moral beliefs which may or may not agree with yours.

As long as no law is broken, each of us has the right to make our own decisions.. and that includes the right of women to make their own individual decisions about the possible child they will be held personally responsible for without the interference of the state… and that right is protected by law.

I ask why your right to promote your personal beliefs is more important than that woman’s right to make decisions about what is best for her and her family.

If you are not willing to take personal responsibility for all children who are born… wanted or unwanted … if you do not advocate and vote to pay for collective responsibility for those children whose mothers may not be able to adequately provide for them…

then what gives you the right to demand that someone else carry that burden for you?

The right to life does not begin in the womb and end at birth.. neither should concern for the children who result from that philosophy.

[beachdrivegirl]

First of all welcome Dave. It is always ncie to hear fresh new voices on the forum, even if they differ from some of the members positions. It is always educational to hear both sides of the argument.

I had not actually heard the argument that a fetus could feel pain in the womb. I will have to look into that.

Feel free to educate me on my womb. thanks and again welcome dave.

[GenHillOne]

Either day would be fun – and remember two things…1) it’s a known fact that the more beer you drink, the better you bowl and 2) WSB (doh! WSB@WSB!) has bumpers :)

[Dave]

Who said anything about religion? We are talking about protesting that children don’t deserve pain through spanking, I would think that protesting that children don’t deserve pain through abortion is pretty parallel.

How do I sound like a crazy zealot? I was trying to distance myself from the likes of idiots that resort to threats and violence…

[SuitsarenotBoring]

Once when I was wearing a leopard print dress (it was the late 90s), some guy announced, “I could skin you!” I actually stopped and congratulated him on the line.