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[Anonymous]

That is a judgment, but it is a judgment, or conclusion, based on statistics.

Most women today DO use abortion as birth control. How would you argue that using abortion as your sole method of birth control is not selfish or irresponsible?

The argument of faulty contraception and rape/incest is far too weak an argument as supported by the statistics, so I feel the root problem is irresponsibility and I am curious how one would defend that.

And the comment of “keeping your knees together” as one’s only form of birth control is irrelevant. No one is suggesting that here. The point is that there is birth control available (in so many new and advanced forms now), that to use abortion as birth control should be completely unacceptable in today’s day and age.

[beachdrivegirl]

I believe that women should give there baby up for adoption if they feel that they can not care for their child. However, I am also an advicate for low income housing and poverty stricken families as well. So that they can feel comfortable that they can afford to have a child and not be forced into abortion.

I find it interesting also that 31% of women who have had an abortion state that they would have done it differently if they had it to do all over again. Furthermore, studies have shown that 60% of women whom have had abortions (in this same study) show emotional distress after an abortion. in addition 70% of this 60% stated that they would NEVER have an abortion again.

It is very interesting to me that these statistics arent spoken about more.

And Jimmy G. you cant be pro-life either… so where does that put people like me???

[JoB]

somehow, i didn’t think so.

[JoB]

New resident..

abortion isn’t in the constitution… and i am quite sure i never implied it was..

the right of government to interfere in reproductive rights.. which by the way included sterilization as well as abortion… is what Roe Vs Wade was all about… and is in our body of law.

And there are many reasons women get pregnant and choose to end the pregnancy than having willing sex with an uncommitted partner.

but.. none of those reasons quite stirs up indignation the way the one reason you focus on does..

and moral indignation is the real point here.. isn’t it.

your moral indignation Vs their lifetime responsibility for a child they give birth to…

[JimmyG]

IMO you can’t be pro-choice and then put limits on the how, when, and why a woman can exercise that choice.

I am vehemently, rabidly pro-choice.

On demand, at any time in a pregnancy, for any reason.

It is no one’s business except my health provider and me the choice I make regarding having an abortion or not.

[JoB]

Whew.. that is a lot of judgments in a row…

some selfish, irresponsible woman?

so women who choose abortions are selfish irresponsible women?

perhaps they are women whose birth control failed.. all birth control methods have failure rates..

but if keeping your knees together is your only form of birth control.. pregnancy is a sure indication that it failed…

i would propose that women who choose to go through with pregnancy and give birth to children that they can’t support financially or emotionally are behaving irresponsibly.

And i would also suggest that the time for us to force women to produce children for other people to adopt is when our own foster system is empty of children…

and that will be a long long time from now.

People choose to adopt internationally because they want a perfect little baby.. or because they don’t qualify to adopt under US standards… not because they want children and there are no children to adopt.

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and.. i am informed there is an abortion clinic in West Seattle..

[Anonymous]

JoB – To answer your above question, yes.

Please explain why it should be ok for a person to end the life of an innocent baby (that, otherwise, would have become a child), because they choose to have unprotected sex with people that they never intend to build a life with?

Btw, where exactly does it say anything in the constitution about abortion?

[RS]

This is what I posted in JoB’s thread. It was specifically about protesting. I have no desire to rehash all the other elements of the debate.

There is a clinic here. Down near the Safeway. As someone who used to work at a similar clinic, I definitely don’t think it is appropriate for people to protest outside of a clinic, but as a believer in free speech, I support their right to do so, within the limits of the law. Anyone know if WA has a buffer zone law? We had one in Mass, but we’d also been targeted by some homicidal crazies…

[JanS]

I’m also one of those who will be in the heckling section…that, and having a few beers, and fries cooked in the egg roll oil – yummmmm…

My Sunday’s are mostly free in October :)

[Anonymous]

Why should a woman who “becomes” (which I love that description, btw. It couldn’t possibly be that this same woman made destructive, selfish decisions that put her in that predicament) give her child up to a family that WILL care for that baby?

Do you realize how difficult it is to adopt a child here in America? The wait lists? American citizens that want, more than anything, to raise children have to wait years for a child to become available. This is part of why so many American’s adopt from other countries.

Why is the only resort for that same, selfish, irresponsible woman to terminate the life of her own baby? It’s not.

[JoB]

this was my post on another thread in response to a query from Dave as to whether we would join him this weekend in protesting at an unnamed abortion clinic this weekend since we were opposed to causing children pain and he asserts that the fetus is caused pain in an abortion..

as a side not.. i did ask if there are abortion clinics in west seattle… and have received one reply to the negative..

what i said..

“i will ask you the same questions that i ask every person i encounter who talks to me about opposing the right of choice for women.

what are you personally doing to help prevent unwanted pregnancies and what are you personally doing to help improve the living conditions for children who are not lucky enough to be born to financially stable committed parents?

I have earned the right to ask by living what i believe…

i try to help young women.. even those who don’t belong to my family… to learn how to make positive choices for themselves that include not having children they can’t support financially or emotionally.

I try to do whatever i can to encourage and support young mothers who have children in less than ideal circumstances to make better choices for themselves and to teach their children to make better choices.

I give money to local agencies that help women and children to the slim chance at bettering themselves.

I quietly help financially support individuals through crisis when i can.

I speak up for providing adequate nutrition, education and resources for all children.. not just those who are privileged.

And.. i made the hard personal choice to have a child and give it up.. and have lived the consequences of that choice.. paying a price that far exceeds nine months of gestation.

Unless your commitment to living children is a strong as your commitment to the unborn…

it is a bit hypocritical to protest abortion on the basis of the possible pain a fetus incurs.

If your real opposition is religious..

i would remind you that you enjoy the right to choose your own religion and to practice your beliefs … a right guaranteed by the constitution.

but the same constitution guarantees the right of all citizens to pursue their own individual religious beliefs and/or moral beliefs which may or may not agree with yours.

As long as no law is broken, each of us has the right to make our own decisions.. and that includes the right of women to make their own individual decisions about the possible child they will be held personally responsible for without the interference of the state… and that right is protected by law.

I ask why your right to promote your personal beliefs is more important than that woman’s right to make decisions about what is best for her and her family.

If you are not willing to take personal responsibility for all children who are born… wanted or unwanted … if you do not advocate and vote to pay for collective responsibility for those children whose mothers may not be able to adequately provide for them…

then what gives you the right to demand that someone else carry that burden for you?

The right to life does not begin in the womb and end at birth.. neither should concern for the children who result from that philosophy. “

i have to go do other things now…

[WSB]

Mike, alert – the car show is Sunday.

Hope you can make it then! We’re one of the co-sponsors. Gonna be a blast – TR

[JoB]

New Resident…

Do you really believe that if a woman becomes pregnant and is not in a position to raise her child in a responsible way that she is shirking her responsibility by choosing not to have the child?

[JoB]

sorry.. i must have been typing when you posted…

[JoB]

Dave posted about a protest he wanted us to be aware of against a local abortion clinic this weekend on another thread.

since the integrity of that thread is important to me and the issue it illuminates time sensitive, i decided to step up and provide an appropriate place for the conversation.

I would ask both Dave and New Resident and anyone else who really wants to talk on this subject to cross post their remarks here.. so we can all follow the entire conversation.. i will go back and copy and paste my own…

but before i do.. just to get things rolling..

is there an abortion clinic in west seattle?

a simple yes or no will do..

if there isn’t, do you think there should be one?

If there is, do you think it is appropriate to protest abortion outside an abortion clinic during operating hours?

Do you believe it is ok to insult or otherwise demean women who enter the abortion clinic or attempt to prevent women from entering the clinic?

Would you allow an underage daughter to get an abortion?

Would you force an underage daughter to get an abortion?

Would you prevent an underage daughter from getting an abortion and insist she have the child?

if so, would you raise it or would you insist she give it up?

Dave wants a discussion..

i doubt this is where he would start it.. but i started the thread…

[JeffSavoie]

“I’m thinking that it is my fence because on the other side of the yard my neighbor has a chainlink fence up against the wood fence…”

Mellaw6565,

There, you’ve just answered your own question.

The chain link fence, in my opinion, constitutes the “surrender” previously mentioned.

My rule of thumb for determining who built the fence, is to turn the corner… and follow the design around a given property. If you have three different fences closing you in, you can begin to assume they’re not yours.

To the subject of nice side in or out. That will vary by individual owners, but when I’ve built fences the front yard generally has the nice side out (so it looks nice on the drive up), and the back yard has the nice side facing in, improving the “garden room” effect of a back yard.

Beyond that, the side the skin is on is the more impenetrable, and then the choice comes to whether it’s more important to keep things in, or keep things out. Back yards often “contain” kids and pets, so they are finished skin in.

Jeff

[Anonymous]

BDG – Thank you for that post. I think you made your point extremely well.

I, too, am a woman and I am proud to support regulated abortions. I feel that it has gotten extremely out of hand, as your statistics indicate.

I also have a problem with the argument of sex education being the root of this problem. How many teenagers or young women do you know that do NOT understand that unprotected sex leads to pregnancy?

I feel that abortions are far too often used as a “way out”. A way to dodge responsibility. That disgusts me too.

[cjboffoli]

I went in for a badly needed haircut this morning at Classic Barbershop in the Junction. I had been going here for about a year and only had good experiences. Julie Dodson, who I think is the shop’s owner, always did a good job with my hair and the shop’s mascot bulldog ‘Nemo’ was always friendly. But after today I won’t be going back.

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I walked in around 11:30 and the place reeked of cigarette smoke. Someone had clearly just been smoking cigarettes in there. I said something to Julie as I sat in the chair and her tepid response was “Oh really? Well maybe someone was smoking outside.” But the door was closed. No one was smoking outside and the amount of smoke in the shop was strong. As she was cutting my hair I could clearly smell smoke on Julie. When I left my clothes stank of cigarette smoke.

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I’ve always been a good tipper but Julie didn’t get a tip today and I will not be going back. I’m really disappointed that she’d disregard the health of her customers and would lie on top of it.

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I honestly don’t care if people choose to smoke. But I don’t want to breathe smoke. I’ve lost two grandparents to lung cancer from smoking (and they died young) and the health effects of being exposed to second-hand smoke are well documented.

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So I suppose this is a warning to folks who care about their health to stay away from this place. And to those who don’t care and who miss that authentic 1970’s vibe of ubiquitous cigarette smoke, Classic Barbershop is the place for all of your haircut needs. As this shop will be going away when that whole corner of the Junction is torn down for the large condo project that is apparently coming sometime soon, I suggest you act quickly.

[Anonymous]

JoB – I do not agree with spanking an infant. That is for sure.

However, you will not see me tonight because I have not read this person’s books and do not feel I should protest something that I’m not 100% sure what the exact message is.

I commend those of you who DID find the time to read those books and are standing up for what you believe in.

[beachdrivegirl]

I had actually heard of it as LCA (life cycle assesment). LCA is currently being used by some people at the EPA. One interesting piece I have found in the current article I am reading on it suggests that like my idea to tax diapers or urge people to use cloth diapers it is worse off for the environment. For example a disposable diaper uses half as much energy, one quarter the amount of water, and produces half as much pollution as cloth diapers. i cant wait until my 175 page study gets to plastic vs reusable vs paper bags. Sure is interesting. and I will have to try to do more research on this cradle to grave information.

[Sue]

I can’t do the 12th, but I can do the 5th. I also won’t be bowling, but would love to hang out.

[RS]

I think I’ll dress up as a nihilist because then when I bowl reeeally badly I can say it’s because I believe in nothing. Also works if someone tries to draw me into a political discussion. :)

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos.

[beachdrivegirl]

Since the topic of abortions have not only thread jacked the thread in regards to tonight’s protest but also the Rossi vs Gregoire thread I think it is time we give it its own thread.

I find it interesting that people assume you have to be on one extreme or another when it comes to an abortion. Personally, I am only pro-choice in the instances of rape, incest, or if it is a medical reason.

However, most of the information that I have found suggests that abortions are not being performed for those reasons. In fact, 75% of women who had an abortion say that they are having an abortion b/c a baby would interfere with work, school, or social responsibilities. And another 50% did not want to be a single parent or were having problems with their partner.

I have also seen people question the fact as to whether or not women are having abortions for birth control. Do you realize that a recent study found that 46% of women who had an abortion did not use contraception during the month they became pregnant???? 8% of those same women had never used birth control.

http://www.contracept.org/abortifacient.php

I agree when abortions became legal there was a reason but we are passed that point now. Throughout the past 25 years women have become so comfortable with abortions and how accepted that they are that there are more than five times the number of abortions performed today than in the early 80’s. Personally, that disgusts me.

I get even more disgusted when I hear people advocating for late-term abortions. Although, it is not proven whether or not an embryo can feel pain. It is scientifically proven that a fetus can. And a late term abortion is performed on a fetus not an embryo.

I am a women and I am proud that I am a supporter of regulated abortions. I want to protect the younger generation of women’s wombs and psychological well being.

[In2theknight]

Ok, any group of ppl that know lines from The Big Lebowski…count me in! Don’t bother asking Walter ’cause he doesn’t roll on Shabbos!

[lmsings]

Hi everyone, Thanks so much for the support and the help to get this video out to the world.

Thanks to Ken for uploading to the dailykos.com. I signed up, but have to wait a week to post onto a diary.

I’ve been getting emails from all over the country and I owe a lot of that to my neighbors here in West Seattle.

Here is a high resolution/stereo (the regular youtube video is mono) for you to use:

Thanks again for all your help. I’ll keep you posted on it’s progress and when I become famous, I’ll take you all for a ride in my limo.

Larry Murante

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