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charlabobParticipant
I’m afraid the Clinton supporters are much better people than their candidate (as are the supporters of all candidates, with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich.)
Right now, Clinton is negotiating with the Obama campaign to leave the race if they assume her debt and take on some of her henchpeople in high campaign roles.. (In other words, pay off her loans to herself.) Is this unusual? Not really — The reason she had Vilsack’s endorsement (gov of Iowa) is because her campaign assumed his campaign’s debt. Some of us, who knew the Vilsacks and the state of Iowa, were surprised at his endorsement. When his wife endorsed Edwards we felt better — now we understand.
She’s lost. She knows it. She’s negotiating for the best deal possible. Obama has to play a juggling game – give the Clinton’s a bit, without alienating his base.
Even in the charlabob world, there is dissension. The charla says, “Not one damned penny in tribute.” The bob is more reasoned.
I am so tired of tirades. I skip over most — but I do want to prepare the lurkers: It’s over–she knows it — not gloating, just true.
We’re up to 48 percent of the Clinton voters, exit polled, in Indiana said they would not vote for Obama. Hmmmm…I remember when refusing to pledge virtual loyalty, on this very blog and in the real world, was considered tantamount to treason. Apparently that only works in one direction.
I’m so devoted to the defeat of McCain and the victory of Obama that I’ll even work for him and vote for him if he succumbs to the pressure of making the Clintons his running mate. And, yes, I mean that as I typed it. Without Bill Clinton, she might have actually pulled this off.
JoBParticipantfirst .. i have to offer an apology…
you were all so busy with NewResident that you only called McCain names today…
But i think you should cut NewResident some slack. She is a republican.. and his name.. the way she wrote it.. is what she hears most often.
If Senator Obama is going to make political hay with his multiculturalism… which he has.. big time.. then we probably should all get over being so thin skinned as to object to his middle name.
It is his name. He has had plenty of time to choose to alter it during his political career. He has chosen not to… in fact… he has chosen to exploit it within the Muslim black community…
You were all howling that Hillary didn’t take the opportunity to speak up about why those kinds of things shouldn’t matter…
instead of howling about her.. perhaps it is time to embrace this opportunity.
Making the use of his middle name an ethnic slur only plays into the Republican storyline…
My middle name is Agnes.
When i was a kid.. using it was fighting words…
like Obama’s, it honored my parents and grandparents…
That is all he ever has to say.
There are plenty of Americans who share his personal dilemna.
AnonymousInactiveThanks Charla! NewRes, I just don’t even have words for you yet. Just today I was thinking we should invite you and yours over for dinner or drinks or something, you know being a new resident and all. But now. I just don’t know. I’m very sad and disappointed. :)
May 7, 2008 at 11:32 pm #623901In reply to: The Real Estate Market
AnonymousInactiveNR, we bought 9 years ago and don’t plan on moving unless something unforeseen happens. When I talk about my own home’s value, it’s strictly for entertainment. I don’t have any illusions of grandeur. We bought a *starter/fixer* home because it was all we could afford, but it’s also all we want. Don’t need bigger and better for 2 people.
If anything, I probably undervalue my home because I see all the things it needs. And If I did have to sell, I’m in it for just what’s fair on both ends. It bothers me that people have gotten so greedy and refuse to be reasonable about the actual worth of their property. Someone on my block right now is trying to make a 200,000 profit after owning for 5 months. Another house thought they could be a flipper too, and it’s been for sale for almost 2 years. Bank took it back and now it just sits there.
As for your situation, I think you have a pretty good feel for the market and true values. In your situation I would keep looking and saving. Obviously don’t look at these rip off deals. But if something is priced decently and you love it, you can afford to lose a little value in the short run. If your rent is 1500 for example, that’s 36,000 in 2 years going no where. As long as the value drops less than that on a purchased home, you would still be ahead.
My point being, it sounds like you have the time to be patient and make a deal in your favor. At the same time, don’t miss out on something that you like if it’s priced right and you plan on sticking around. You will eventually recoup any loss.
JoBParticipantVillagegreen..
“The letter you received this morning in your mailbox is simply a plea for average citizens to help pay off Hillary’s huge debt. There really isn’t any other reason for her to stay in the race other than to continue her fundraising. How is that good for the democratic party and the lower income people you say don’t even have money to pay the gas tax?”
The letter i received in my mailbox was a fundraising letter… the same as those you probably receive in your mailbox from Senator Obama…
in fact, anyone who has ever at any time inquired about Senator Obama receives those emails in their mailbox because he requires contact information to attend any of his events…
yes, she has incurred personal debt to stay in this race. Obama has outspent her on nearly every contest since super Tuesday 2 to 1 or 3 to 1.
I am not helping her pay that debt off.. but I am helping her stay in the race.. hopefully without incurring too much more personal debt.
The amounts of money this primary has consumed are obscene. And Obama has outspent her 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 in almost every primary since super tuesday…
If i were an Obama supporter… supposedly financing this campaign on the backs of the little people.. i would be asking if that was the best use of my money. Because so far it hasn’t bought him the lead he should have spending that kind of money.
I happen to think Hillary staying in the race.. even when everyone says she has no chance.. is healthy for the democratic party.
Who will pull the democratic voters she has energized out for the election in the fall if she doesn’t?
Obama can’t.
If she knuckles under to the pressure and withdraws from the primary we will feel our party does not even care enough about what we think is important to allow the primaries to play out.
If you want the support of the half of the party that doesn’t support your candidate now.. don’t you think it might be time to give up a few f those opportunities for dirty shots at Hillary?
Because it is clear you are not gracious winners… if indeed you are winners.
May 7, 2008 at 11:20 pm #622964In reply to: Obama vs. McCain
beachdrivegirlParticipantI am brining it up because it is just as bad as Obama being called a Muslim because of his middle name and Wright.
May 7, 2008 at 11:17 pm #622963In reply to: Obama vs. McCain
JenVMemberwhoa: while I may not like McCain, it is SO not fair to bring up the fact that his wife is an ex-addict. Lots of decent people have kicked their addictions and gone on to be better people. Give her credit foro doing something others have not been able to do. plus, she does talk about it openly, which is a big help to others who might struggle with addiction.
Low blow, BDG.
AnonymousInactiveSorry, JT. I meant someone famous, not a forum member. If you figure it out, please don’t say who.
If she were a forum member, she probably would get banned pretty quickly.
charlabobParticipantJT, she’s famous — read your email — I sent you her name :-)
May 7, 2008 at 11:13 pm #622962In reply to: Obama vs. McCain
beachdrivegirlParticipantFirst on the issues:
Does it concern those supporting McCain out there that he has no plan for the housing market and thinks the government should only be concerned as a last resort. (arent we there now? Shouldnt he have a plan???
He also wants to leave No CHild Left Behind the way it is. This is not what our educators want to see. My sister, mother, brother-n-law, and sister-n-law are all teachers and since NCLB was passed they have gone on and on about how it must be changed.
And I also recall that his healthcare plan would actually cost many Americans thousands of dollars and create more of a healthcare crisis then there is already.
And he voted to extend Bush’s tax cut through 2010.
And lets not forget that his wife is an ex-junkie and he had an affair… classy fam
May 7, 2008 at 11:11 pm #623714In reply to: Rant about Westwood Target!
WSMomParticipantEight years ago I purchased a package of Target brand daipers which were defective. I was not allowed to exchange them straight across for another package because I didn’t have a receipt with me. I was furious and stopped shopping there for a while. Lately I’ve been sucked back into shopping at Target, this thread reminds me to go to Bartell’s!
May 7, 2008 at 11:10 pm #623225In reply to: McCain Running Mate.
JenVMemberdirect quote from House: “we’re afraid that people like you make your decisions based on stupidity and unfounded statements and can possibly place someone in the White House that doesn’t belong there.”
um….like the person who has been in there for the last 7 years? honestly. I don’t know how you repugs can look in the mirror after that one. Do you honestly feel pride when you think of the president you elected?
House, unless your daddy is rich and powerful, I don’t see you as anyone’s running mate.
that being said: Fred Thompson? isn’t he even *older* than McSame? What will their campaign slogan be – “GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN WHIPPERSNAPPERS!” ?
May 7, 2008 at 11:06 pm #623986In reply to: Motorcycle Party/Benefit/Bands/Ride-thurs-fri-sat
ToddinWestwoodMemberalso you can read this to get some more perspectiive:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/360306_needle24.html
AnonymousInactiveNR, we can’t leave it alone now! The only person I remember everyone not liking was a forum member that was banned. Are you implying that she’s famous? Or have I totally missed the hint?
*There is a famous Rep (will not say who – I’d never hear the end of it) who continuously refers to/writes about Obama in that way.*
JoBParticipantrs261..
“Perhaps I just chose the wrong day to do my fact checking on posts…and perhaps I chose the wrong post to fact check…I’m just sick of hearing about how bad Obama is, I want to hear how great he will be. Or how great McCain will be. Maybe I’m just reading the wrong threads in here (is reading all of them bad?).”
I couldn’t agree with you more… but i would add Clinton to the list.. or are you not tired of hearing how bad she is too?
i have tried to post threads about how great Hillary is… but as i am sure the several posts in between this one and the one of yours i replied to will show.. I can’t even say she should stay in the race without being lambasted…
and i haven’t read the posts yet.
believe me.. nothing would make me happier than to read them and find myself wrong.
I am not holding my breath though.. so anyone who cares need not worry about my health…
BTW.. if i was not a very stubborn woman i would not stand up to the lambasting .. much of it directed at me and not my opinions… that i have taken merely for defending Hillary’s right to exist as a candidate…
AnonymousInactiveThat was part of the hint. So, you got it? Please don’t share it. We don’t need to rehash all of that!
May 7, 2008 at 10:58 pm #623900In reply to: The Real Estate Market
AnonymousInactiveI’m assuming he/she is in the business or follows it extremely closely.
It’s funny, though, if you ask a current home owner (I realize not all of them, but a lot) about their home value, they will argue all day about how their home has not lost any value in the recent slump.
My best friend in Phoenix is convinced that he has made hundreds of thousands of dollars on his home which he bought about 2 years ago. And if you look at the WORST markets, Phoenix is about 1 or 2 of the worst hit.
I don’t think home owners want to face the reality that their home is possibly worth less than what they bought it for a couple years ago. It’s an ugly fact. However, as many have stated, if you plan on staying in your home for awhile, it will go back up.
charlabobParticipantaha — initially i was confused by the pronoun ‘she’ ;-)
AnonymousInactivecharla – I don’t want to drive you crazy, but I will give you a hint (I think you’ll get it with this)
Right around the time I first joined the forum (about 3 or 4 months ago?), I defended a particular person and it caused some heated debates (well, not too bad), but, from my constant defense of this person, I realized that I was about the only Rep on here.
You guys weren’t too bad with me, but it was really obvious that you DID NOT like her (I mean this person).
I’m gonna work on getting the “Sidney” accent down! Thanks for the tip!
charlabobParticipantOh, come on — you have to tell me. I still like you, knowing you are and like Republicans, so I can be trusted — and who cares about the rest of the lurkers? :-). O’Reilly? I will lose what’s left of my mind if I have to continue to search and guess instead of planting seedlings and editing a manuscript.
If you call McCain “Sidney” you have to get the accent right — think Brooklyn, grandmotherly (bubbe) type yelling out the window to a skinny dark kid playing stick ball. Three heads look up to see if she’s calling them. Only two can ignore her. I can’t even think how to duplicate it in letters. Damn, forget the search engine — we need audio capability here.
May 7, 2008 at 10:39 pm #623223In reply to: McCain Running Mate.
AnonymousInactiveTonya42, are you saying if we dislike Bolton, we dislike the concept of the UN working? Or maybe we all dislike working in general? I’m trying to follow you, but it just sounds like a back-handed slam, not an opinion.
May 7, 2008 at 10:37 pm #623985In reply to: Motorcycle Party/Benefit/Bands/Ride-thurs-fri-sat
charlabobParticipantNR, I wish I were kidding — In Lowell., Ma (and other Franco-American cities in the east) there were bunches of people with French names who weren’t sure how to spell or pronounce them. My favorite (obviously) was Dopey Lupine (la-peen).
My second favorite, whom I found when I was doing phone canvassing for repug senator Ed Brooke, was the Desrochers — the whole tribe had no idea who “Da-ro-shay” (best I can simulate Fr. here) was. They were, and will always be, the DEZ ROACH ERS — accent on roach.
I guess, if you’re not going to know how to spell your last name, it’s good that your first name is Dopey.
AnonymousInactiveThanks for the links, charla. However that wasn’t the Rep I was referring to. I actually don’t want you to find it. You’ll lose whatever respect you have for me. Lol!
Please note, I wasn’t using Obama’s middle name as a swear word (I don’t believe this particular Rep does either). It’s simply one of his names. I think I’m going to start calling McCain “Sidney”. Just for fun. I’m in a weird mood today?!
May 7, 2008 at 10:35 pm #586923Topic: Oil Tank Services Recommendation
in forum WSB Reader RecommendationsflipjackParticipantHi,
I’ve got an underground oil tank that is full of fuel oil, however we haven’t been using our oil furnace and want to eventually use alternative methods. The problem is we have no use currently for the oil in the tank and would like to remove the oil before it goes bad. (I’ve heard that it will separate over time)…
Any advice or recommendations??
Thank in advance!
charlabobParticipantI always knew my devotion to opposition research would pay off:
Main (in)famous Repug who uses Hussein as a swear word is, the infamous Rushter, Mr. Limp Paw. (Do repugs really claim him as one of their own? Hmmmmmm Could the party of Goldwater have lowered its bar that far?)
BUT you-all really should do a google search of “Barack Hussein Obama” on your own. The list of right wing pundits who think it’s an effective curse, and the things they say, are beyond amusing. At least I’m beyond being amused.
BTW, for any righties who haven’t found him, let me introduce you to local pundit Stefan Sharkansky and Sound Politics: http://www.soundpolitics.com
NB, I’m not posting this so you’ll go away — I don’t want you to go away. You just might find fodder to sharpen your claws and everyone needs a friendly environment once in a while.
I found him when he chose to print and ridicule a letter to the editor that I wrote, and I found his commentary, based on making fun of my name, in a google search.
I threatened to sue — always a good way too get someone’s attention :-) He accused me of being (are you sitting down?) a TRIAL LAWYER! In my fondest dreams, Stevie.
On the left (right/correct!) side, go see: http://www.horsesass.org, hosted by David Goldstein (Goldy).
Both blogs have a lot of local stuff too, in case you’re a hard core repug/dem and don’t know what you think about a zoning change or “nonpartisan” judge.
They are almost all politics all the time — and, among other things, you’ll realize what a mild, friendly, loving and intellectual environment WSB actually is.
I wouldn’t go to a Sound Politics get-together unless I had a license to carry a concealed weapon and a concealed weapon to carry, or a cadre of big friendly Repug body guards.
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