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[charlabob]

<FROM BDG>

Trick the problem is since I am not over 50, not “middle class” and college educated I dont know what is going on in the world and what is good for our country because obviously only those over fifty with their “voting experience” know what is best”

<END BDG>

So I guess that means Obama is best….I feel like Sojourner Truth here — Ain’t I a woman? :-) I am all of these and I am fed up with the idea that only a subset of us COUNT. There are a number of powerful women, including senators, congressmen, and governors, who support Obama. If you listen to the media, who love a good brawl, and to the Clintonistas, who, for reasons that elude me, love playing the victim card, you wouldn’t know we exist.

I wouldn’t bother taalking about it on this blog, except, sadly, the dialog here echos what is taking place in the real world. I have been attacked physically and verbally by WOSA when I suggest that Hillary is not a damned victim. That she’s losing because she ran a crap campaign and thought it wouldn’t matter because she was entitled.

IF ANY WHITE MAN RAN THE SAME CAMPAIGN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE LONG AGO! If a black man or woman ran the same campaign he or she wouldn’t have made it to Iowa.

Think back to the relief many people felt when SOMEONE beat Hillary in Iowa. We had been told, for more than a year, that she was inevitable. Some of us were less than delighted by that prospect.

BTW, Clinton has announced her post-primary schedule; Obama has announced the beginning of the campaign against McCain. Whom do I respect? I’ll let you guess.

[lg]

WOW! You guys are fast. Thanks for all the great recs. It’s nice to know there are so many people to talk to about this in our backyard.

add, the reason we’ll probably go to a lawyer rather than use a template is because many years ago my mom worked for an attorney, and she recommended we do that just so that we are certain to be getting advice based on the state’s laws etc. My mom gives great advice, so I didn’t question her too much beyond that. I’d love to hear other’s take on this issue as well. My mom’s pretty “old school” so maybe things have changed and we shouldn’t be so concerned with seeing an “actual person” for this.

[beachdrivegirl]

What characteristics do you admire about Hillary?Besides the fact that you think she cares more about healthcare, women, and children…which if you would read Obama’s policies and plans you would realize he shares similar views.

[Trick]

JO, That was a short nap :)

I understand your reasoning, I do.

However, I can’t settle for a Junkyard dog that

will win at any cost. We saw that with the Republicans and I still don’t agree with it and can’t justify winning at “all costs”. I believe in integrity and honesty.

As far as A. Huffington, I would disagree that she has that much influence on peoples votes. The Obama’s supporters here in the blog, I have to give them more credit than that and think they weigh all information before making an off the hip choice.

I use to gamble when I was younger, now I like to believe I make wiser risks.

[JoB]

Trick,

there are several priorities women have that men could as easily have… if they chose to.

that they don’t has been the major cause of conflict in modern marriage:)

And just for the record… I am not opposed to Obama because he is male. I am opposed to Obama because i don’t see where his priorities match mine…

had John Edwards become our nominee.. i would have been disappointed….

but i would have supported him wholeheartedly…

His intentions were clear.. and are moving towards fruition with or without a presidential nomination backing them…

[walfredo]

I think it is potentially troubling this weekend. In my opinion, there is absolutely not one leg to stand on for Clinton’s Michigan argument. She is quoted directly saying the primary “won’t count for anything”, prior to it happening. Then afterwards, “clarifying” (lying) by saying that “in terms of delegates, the contest won’t count for anything”. This to of course, further push the troubled popular vote myth…

Well, because Obama is trying to be magnanimous, and trying to appease Clinton voters he reportedly is willing to accept concessions in Michigan. She is going to get a delegate advantage from a contest where no one else was on the ballot. To me that is insane and blatantly unfair. I get the Obama strategy of being the more gracious, but I think its problematic.

Mainly, because Hill’s won’t accept even an extremely unfair ruling in her favor. Her camp is pushing for 100% of Michigan’s delegates to be seated, for Obama to get 0 delegates. So the primary that in her own words “won’t count for anything.” And from her own clarification “I was referring to delegates, it would not count in terms of delegates”… Her proposal for Saturday is for her to net an 80+ delegate advantage from this contest, despite no one else campaigning or being an option on the ballot…

Now that sounds bad enough, its almost like a comic-book villain’s plan already- but it gets a lot better… So if somehow the earth stopped rotating, and people decided- hey that is a good idea… Seating the entire Michigan delegates that voted for her 100%, giving Obama 0 delegates, and counting Florida 100% and distributing as they voted– if all that transpired, she would get within 70 pledged delegates.

Wait, so in this unthinkable plan, that only a cartoon character villain could come up with, even with this ludicrous plan- she still loses?

YES! Except, well now we get to this mythic “popular vote”. And the comparisons she has made between Michigan and Florida and the Civil Rights Movement. Women’s suffrage…

So let’s walk-through what is going to be presented Saturday- Obama and all candidates that obeyed the rules should be penalized severaly, in fact Michigan should give one candidate a larger advantage then any other state in the country. Neither state should have any penalty for violating the rules. It is crucial every vote is counted, to reflect the sacred voters rights and the will of the people. Such that we can take these new numbers, and make a more compelling case to the “super” people to overturn the results of the 57 contests and there allocation of delegates! And just for fun, the two “states” that will impose this popular vote mandate for Hill’s are Puerto Rico (doesn’t vote in the general election), and Michigan (only had her name on the ballot).

Stranger then fiction…

[JoB]

Trick..

what guidelines did Hillary not adhere to in Michigan?

She was not asked to withdraw her name from the ballot.. she was asked not to campaign.

she didn’t.

Sorry.. there wasn’t really anything unfair about what she did…

Had Obama left his name on the ballot.. this probably wouldn’t even be a conversation…

except, of course, it is.

Because he left his name on the ballot in florida.. yet somehow Hillary is supposed to have had an unfair advantage there too…

Haven’t you learned anything from George Bush? Telling a lie over and over does not make it the truth.

beachdrivegirl…

i would gladly support Obama if he had any of the characteristics that i admire so much in Hillary.

unfortunately, he doesn’t.

and that has nothing to do with being sexist…

[JoB]

JT

If Obama had vastly increasing numbers throughout the primary season.. i might agree with you..

but he has plateaued since super tuesday… in fact, there is plenty of analysis to suggest that he has pulled all he will from independents during the democratic primaries…

So… who else is he going to pull?

the current momentum in his campaign is from super delegates… which have suddenly assumed an importance to Obama supporters since it looks like they might go his way.

Of course, those are commitments which are not binding at all… after all.. some of them were previously committed to Hillary…

The only delegates anyone can count on at this point are those who are committed in the first ballot by their states… and there aren’t enough of those for either candidate to carry a first ballot.

After that.. there are no commitments at all.

He has had several months since his super tuesday triumph onto the scene… and the only way he can secure the nomination before the convention is if Clinton concedes…

His current polls aren’t looking nearly as strong as hers …

if he is that charming .. how do you account for the longevity and strength of her campaign? erhaps charm and rhetoric are not enough.

I personally think his charm is overrated… and confined to a couple of fairly narrow demographics.. one of which votes consistently democratic anyway… and the other which is likely to vote democratic out of self interest if they vote at all.

I would like to remind you that the largest voting block in America is comprised of women old enough to have been sold an empty promise or two… and likely to be skeptical of inspiring rhetoric… even when sold by a pretty face.

Nope… this is going to come down to a political infight..

and if he can’t win it.. he wouldn’t be very effective as a president anyway.

When it comes to politics.. if you want to be on the winning side.. you want to back the meanest junkyard dog you can find.. and in some ways.. Hillary is that junkyard dog. She has had to fight continuously to keep herself politically viable.. and if she wasn’t a good fighter, she wouldn’t still be a threat to an Obama candidacy…

As i have said before… there is plenty i know about Hillary that i don’t particularly like.. but i don’t have to like all of her tactics to admire the way she gets things accomplished.. and that is what i really want out of a politician… especially right now.

We have several government agencies that are completely dysfunctional due to political appointments and policies adapted during the Bush administration. Because of her participation in the analysis and trimming of the bloating in those agencies during Bill’s presidency.. she has intimate knowledge of all of them…

and if what she says is any indication.. some pretty clear ideas about how to immediately begin setting things right.

as for baggage….

you are right, Clinton has baggage. She has the same baggage now that she had coming into the race. Actually, that’s not true. Obama supporters have added charges of racism among others… but essentially her baggage is a known commodity.

What about Obama’s baggage?

We don’t have a clue what his baggage is yet other than his race.. because we democrats have accepted his story.. written by him.. validated by him.. as the whole truth.

If any criticism of Obama has even been hinted at by democrats… righteous indignation and the race card … or the ever present.. well she (fill in the blanks) … follows.

And you are all lulled into a false sense of security because he has “dealt” with that.

He hasn’t dealt with anything. All he has done is back democrats off… You don’t clean a house by shoving the dirt under the rug… and that is all he has done.

The republican political machine isn’t so thin skinned.. they aren’t the least bit worried about offending the black vote because they don’t expect to get it anyway…

so the racism card isn’t going to work so well with those who are yet to be convinced.

and the republicans haven’t even played their ace card.. disillusionment…

i am sure there is something they have (even if it will have to be inflated by their cronies in the press) that will show at least part of america that Obama is not what he appears to be..

disillusionment can derail a movement faster than any other force..

You want us to bank our party’s future on a movement… an untried and unproven movement…

sounds like a pretty big gamble to me. Especially when a large part of that that movement is fueled by Adrianna Huffington.

For an example on how she responds to disillusionment.. you only need to read her piece on John McCain.. who she says she once idolized…

What would happen to all that blogger support if she flipped allegiance again and turned on Obama?

Regardless of what Hillary is.. we know exactly who and what we are banking our political future on with her.

That’s something that is worth thinking about when you are gambling with your future…

[jissy]

OK, I have to throw my 2 cents in here — I just this month moved near Lincoln Park — have been walking regularly (albiet VERY slowly b/c I’m 7 mos. pregnant with BAD sciatica) — I cannot believe the number of off-leash dogs. Seems every time I’m out there is 1-3 at Lowman Beach with those rocket ball throwers and then many down on the beach itself — like if they’re on the beach but not on the walking path it’s o.k.?

What makes me crazy is there are signs EVERYWHERE. Last night, having read this thread, I struggled with saying something to the offenders (but certainly didn’t want to get into a confrontration in full waddle-mode) or telling those that are actually following the law that I appreciate them having their dogs leashed but thought that too cheesy. We have people on a daily basis walking or jogging past our house on their way to the park with dogs off-lease while my cat has to dart in and out of the garage door.

Now granted, I’m not a dog lover (VERY traumatic attack as a small child with a Great Dane) but tolerator. I can imagine it’s difficult for dog owners wanting to give their dogs a great quality of life and I wouldn’t have the first clue where you’d take a dog legally to get in the water, but I have to agree with most of these comments and previous threads that there is an issue of public safety at hand here.

So what do I do? Carry a cattle prod? Does anyone know if mace is effective on animals? Taser?? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a hater nor a violent person, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let a canine get near me in my condition when I’m unable to defend myself or near my baby when I’m trying to take a nice neighborly stroll. If animal control gets enough complaints in an area do they do emphasis patrol (a la cops and radar/speed traps??)

[JanS]

There’s also Jim Barnecut …

Neighborhood: West Seattle

4826 California Ave SW

Seattle, WA 98116

(206) 932-6778

he’s a good guy, native West Seattleite…

[beachdrivegirl]

Trick the problem is since I am not over 50, not “middle class” and college educated I dont know what is going on in the world and what is good for our country because obviously only those over fifty with their “voting experience” know what is best and it is a 60 year old women who was so dedicated to the Democratic party she was originally a Republican and then she has to not only break the rules but try to change them afterwards to even come close to competing.

And no I am not trying to “bash” Hillary because she is a Clinton, JoB. As I have said earlier I am an Independent who honestly believed that I wanted a Democrat in office for the next term. So I went to the Caucus to learn about both canidates. When I arrived, I was nearly sure that I Woudl want Clinton for two reasons. 1) She was a women and I thought that would be awesome to see the first women in the whitehouse as President. and 2) Name Recognition. However, I was open-minded and listened to others about not only who had more experience but who I identified with in character etc. And that person was not Clinton it was Obama. And those other Cuacus voters made me a passsionate Obama supporter. IMO, unless Clinton drops out on Tuesday (which she isnt since she arleady released her post-primary schedule) she has officially committed political suicide. Her tantrums and hissy fits are enough already. She isnt going to be the nominee. She does not get to change how the nominee is decided. And it is ridiculous that the DNC is actually stooping to her low and counting Michigan and Florida.

[Trick]

BDG, That’s why I’m so baffled as to why “WE” even have to negotiate this?

Michigan and Florida knew the consequences of their actions, and now we’re enabeling this kind of behaviour.

JOB: “because of the unique qualities she has as a woman”

I’m assuming your comments about the critics being “Sexist” don’t apply to you?

What qualities might that be for a woman a man can’t have?

I’ll be keeping in mind Condoleeza Rice when you inform me.

[Anonymous]

If this person is truly 17, they are trying to present themselves as an adult conversing with adults. There are seeking a dialog. Attempting to use language to fit in. I don’t think the expectation is that every word will be attacked and analyzed. There is an assumption that we’ll look for the meaning.

If you re-read the first post, he shared *his* experience and asked for input and other thoughts. He never claimed to be superior or all knowing. His point was that concentrating on passing the WASL was leaving students ill-prepared for higher education. At least in his case. And that without self-education, he would be floundering.

It seemed he was just questioning if there was a better way. Why all the personal attacks? I still think it’s a good thing that he’s trying to converse. Why can’t we try back? And Caduceus, I’m very fat because of illness not allowing me to exercise. I don’t eat junk food. I look fully functioning when I’m out in public and am someone you would assume to be lazy. I am not. So be careful who you judge. I’ll stop defending you :)

[Trick]

I’m still a bit confused as to why all the other candidates didn’t campaign (following the rules) in Michigan and Hillary was the only one and they’re having to negotiate the delegates this weekend?

Does it not seem extremely unfair to those candidates who abided by the guidelines and Hillary did not?

If the delegate count was even closer, I’d be up in arms about this. However, let her play this out and I’ll appease her until we can get a late start on the real battle with McCain.

[Trick]

I’m impressed with Obama’s candor and ability to address his critics immediately.

We bring up his lack of experience, his “green horn” factor, but from what I see with the record turnouts in his favor. People are fed up with the argument of experience and long standing in Washington, it certainly hasn’t been of much use considering we’re living in a time of one of the worst economies,wars this country has ever had.

Bringing in new ideas and solutions are for me much more appealing than what we have had in 7yrs.

[JimmyG]

Had my will, associated medical papers and power of attorney papers done in WS years ago. It’s pricey (back then it was $400) and mine was uncomplicated too.

The lawyers office was on California–I think Sharon Best and associates?

I’m sure you can get it cheaper, I just needed it done ASAP at the time.

[add]

SA, I agree – now that the weather is (finally) getting nicer I’m looking forward to getting back to Alki! The mile markers definitely help if you want to pace yourself, elgrego – and it’s much more fun than circling around a track losing count of how many laps you’ve done!

[Anonymous]

*here’s the deal.. this is a political party.. it’s not a personality contest…*

Yes, and no. Many political observers say the first televised debates between Nixon and Kennedy, lost the contest for Nixon. He was very unappealing on camera. Kennedy *looked* the part. Handsome, tanned, athletic, youthful, charismatic. Nixon was pasty white and sweating profusely and looked terrible.

Not a single person would own up to judging on these qualities. Kind of like the date that notices her for her *mind*. Yet we do judge. We do size people up and make assessments based on the impression we got. Not how we should elect a leader, mind you, but it does factor in.

Clinton and Obama share many (most) views. For whatever reasons, and whether you like to admit it or not, Clinton has baggage that makes her unappealing to some. Those people will make a difference in this election. They don’t like her. They never have, never will, and you can talk policy all you want and it won’t make a damn bit of difference. I believe Clinton herself knows this and thought she could overcome it. She hasn’t.

We need the independent voters. We need a democrat with the convictions of both Clinton and Obama in office. We can not afford to lose this election. I think it’s perfectly acceptable for Obama’s personality to get him into the job. We’re basically electing the same principles in a package that can reach out to a wider audience. If that’s what it takes to *change* the place we’re in, so be it.

Call it unfair, call it sexist, call it what ever you want. For the greater good of the *party*, I honestly believe Obama has the better chance at winning. And I want a democrat to win.

[Anonymous]

I see we have turned our insulting to me now.

Call me ignorant, but who, exactly, is being helped by lowering the standards of tests?

Oh, the kids that don’t care about their education. I think that’s a fine lesson to be teaching.

Yeah, we know that most high school students don’t care about their education and would rather be anywhere else than inside the classroom, so what should we do?

Oh, here’s a great idea! Let’s make the ability to PASS the test EASIER so that more of these lazy, indifferent students will pass. That will make them feel so much better about not applying themselves and caring about their education! What sort of lesson, exactly, is that teaching our young people?

Don’t you think that maybe they could begin to think if they don’t work hard enough, they can still achieve whatever they want because they’ve never really had to work hard for anything?

Do you realize how much smarter youths are in other countries? Such as China, Sweden (just a couple examples)

No, I’m not a teacher but I was a student and a student that didn’t really care about my education. Back then, they didn’t lower the standards so that I would pass tests and have better self esteem. And, thank goodness they didn’t! Where would I be today if I had been taught that everything should be handed to me and I didn’t actually have to work for anything!?!

You are not doing anyone any favors by doing that. If you just cannot see that or grasp that, then there really would be no question who is ignorant.

Obviously some of the remarks made by this person were immature (I don’t mean that in an insulting way, just that he hasn’t fully experienced life in the way us older people have), but the responses he received from some members on this forum were, in my opinion, unacceptable.

[charlabob]

Obama proved he had major coattails and was willing to use them in the special election to replace Dennie Hastert — it was an Illinois district expected to stay Republican. It did not. Bill Foster, the long-shot Democratic candidate, won handily.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/8/211123/2367/348/472575

I would like to see a list of the campaigns to which Clinton has contributed since she’s been running. As I recall, the conventional wisdom a year and a half ago was that she had too many negatives…people did not necessarily want her to come to their districts.

I don’t understand why screensful of undocumented screed about Obama aren’t considered smear.

BTW, C-span is providing live coverage of tomorrow’s hearings for the Rules and Bylaws Committee in which they may decide what to do about Michigan and Florida. If only they’d realized that the only rule was “Do whatever it takes to ensure Clinton’s victory,” their lives would have been much easier.

[lg]

Hi fellow WSers.

My husband and I are expecting 6/23 and need to get a will together to make sure our little dude is taken care of if something should happen to us. It should be an uncomplicated affair, but I think I’d like to go to a lawyer rather than just get one of those template things from an office store.

Can anyone recommend someone. I’d like to support a WS lawyer if possible, because, well, I’d feel good about it.

thanks in advance for the help!

[JoB]

Beachdrivegirl…

i voted for her… among other reasons… because of the unique qualities she has as a woman… one of them her focus on the well being of individuals.

I wish more men had those qualities. I really wish Obama had those qualities… i would not be nearly so opposed to his candidacy if he did.

but i don’t think that you can label wanting a president with those qualities sexist… simply because those qualities are far more likely to come in a female package.

and i honestly think that when you bandy about the word change.. you might ask yourself what kind of change a female president might bring to the office…

In fact.. you might ask yourself just what kind of change Obama intends to bring to the office…

i assume you voted for Obama for what you consider his unique qualities. I just haven’t seen anything other than rhetoric that tells me he would be a good president…

You talk a lot about leadership. Right now there are only three democrats I can think of who are actually exhibiting true leadership in issues that directly affect citizens… and none of them are running for President.

Jimmy Carter in diplomacy.. Al Gore in environmental issues.. and John Edwards in poverty…

That’s leadership.

Hillary has exhibited leadership in legislation that protects and supports women and children… but even she hasn’t done enough there to qualify yet for a mantle of leadership.

Just what is it that Obama has done that makes him a leader? What is his cause? what are his great accomplishments other than saying well what some want to hear?

Who will be the workhorses of his administration?

These are questions that there are no answers to.. and i find that troubling.

Kayleigh…

as an animal lover i find any tale of anyone stabbing puppies offensive… it’s not a joke…

nor is it a joke to equate Hillary with someone who would stab puppies…

how about i equate Obama with someone who would rape women?

funny? probably not. But the two jokes would be similar stereotypes…

As for Hillary not having the best interests of the democratic party in mind.. i find that statement particularly interesting.

If you define the interests of the party as an Obama presidency.. then you are probably right.

However.. long before there was Obama.. there has been a democratic party… and Hillary has worked tirelessly for it her entire life.

Now.. i don’t expect Obama to have worked so long.. or so tirelessly.. he is not as old. But.. if we examine just the period of time since he entered the national stage.. since he became a Senator… what has Obama done other than run for president for the good of the democratic party?

Who has he campaigned for? Because i think we can agree having the maximum number of democratic seats in congress is good for the party… and that alone should be a good indication of his commitment to the party.

I ask because i don’t know the answer to that… but i do know that Hillary has campaigned tirelessly for democratic candidates in the same time period… i know that she has demonstrated her commitment to the democratic party.

I know that if she is the nominee, she has both the political savvy and the political clout to make the party stand up for it’s stated goals.

Do you know that about Obama?

And just what is this supposed to mean?

“BDG, apparently whatever redemption or vindication Hillary’s supporters think they will get if Hillary wins the nomination is more important than the Democratic party.”

here’s the deal.. this is a political party.. it’s not a personality contest…

you win the mandate.. you get the nomination. you don’t, you have to find a way to convince the party that you are the right candidate for them…

As Walfredo is so fond of saying.. look at the numbers. Obama can’t win the mandate. So.. he is going to have to convince his party that he is the right candidate…

If he can’t, she will convince them she is.

The person who wins the nomination has to be able to pull the support of the entire democratic party … has to be able to win the election in the fall.. and then most important.. has to be able to actually govern once they get the job.

To do that.. they need political clout far more than popular appeal.

You can’t steal something that doesn’t belong to you.. and the nomination doesn’t belong to Obama yet.

Do you think Obama supporters understand the interests of the democtratic party more than Clinton supporters because they support Obama?

I don’t think you can make a case for that.

If you look at the demographics alone.. Clinton supporters have voted in more presidential elections than Obama supporters.. and most of them have voted a straight democratic ticket for most of their life… regardless of the claims to the contrary.

Clinton has huge support in those over 50… those who consistently show up to vote… and those old enough to know what a working government with services to it’s citizens actually looks like.. the government we had before Republicans assumed control…

The only way a Clinton nomination would lead to the bleak scenario you outline is if Obama supporters choose not to vote…

so.. should we really talk about vindication?

NewResident..

you can be forgiven for thinking government programs don’t work since you have had no experience with those that do… poorly managed programs run by government appointees with no expertise are ordained to fail.

thus.. we get the totally inept response to Katrina from a government agency that had been one of the finest in the world prior to Bush’s political appointees.

And that’s just one example.

McCain’s programs as he has outlined them would actually raise taxes without benefit to citizens…

However… as the Clinton White House (Al Gore in particular) was able to show.. you can reduce waste in government spending and control deficits…

Spending money on things like functioning government agencies and infrastructure doesn’t have to raise taxes.. but it does require a shift in priorities…

As for equipping our military.. don’t you think it would be good to fund equipment for the national guard which has become regular military for the purposes of this war before increasing the funding for missile defense systems that have yet to actually hit their targets?

There are a couple of really good books out right now that would be worth reading.. but the one that speaks most to this subject is “how your government has failed you” … written by a national security adviser during the Bush White House… and that book speaks mainly about the failure of our national security systems… something that ought to be important to you.

It’s anew book.. so i have only seen a review and heard a couple of interviews.. but i think you will find that book enlightening…

if you want a government agency.. even something as important as homeland security.. to fail.. all you really have to do is appoint political appointees with no security expertise to run it… and the department of homeland security has more political appointees than any other government agency…

it’s sort of like sending troops and a diplomatic core to a war zone who have no knowledge of the predominant language and customs… and expecting them to succeed. but.. that’s another story.

Walfredo…

If there is a negative way to look at anything that has to do with either Clinton you will find it.

I am sure you will be equally successful at finding negative ways to look at McCain if you are lucky enough to have Obama as your candidate.

But i have to ask.. how does it feel as a democrat to wage a non-stop smear campaign? Doesn’t it get a little old? And how do you reconcile that with the rhetoric about this new kind of campaigning Obama is trying to sell? Isn’t the anti-Hillary smear campaign actually worse than democratic politics as normal.. not better?

Just something to think about.

Well all…

Sorry to have such a long post.. but i am pretty sick today and am headed directly back to bed…

[Anonymous]

I don’t think Caduceus ever said that people with learning disabilities don’t deserve the same education as he does.

He is simply pointing out that, as a student who takes great interest in his education and WORKS at it, it should not be all for nothing.

Whether all these liberals want to admit it or not, lowering standards to allow for someone less interested in their education to pass, does not aide in the education of those who do want to be challenged.

This goes back to the backwards idea that if you make something *easier* because certain groups are not managing, you will attain success.

I was just surprised that a student who was brave enough to voice his concerns on this forum was responded to in such a way.

I would think that as teachers and educators, it would have been refreshing to see a young person who cares so much about their education. Instead, he has been talked down to and told that he doesn’t know what he is talking about, by TEACHERS!

Of course maturity will come into play as he ages, however, the fact that this young adult is so perceptive and seems to have a good understanding of the world around him is extremely refreshing to me. And I’m not even a teacher.

[add]

The one by the golf course is definitely open to the public (unless there is some kind of track meet or football game going on). We used the one at CSHS last weekend, it is really nice!

And, I think shihtzu is right – I’m pretty sure the school facilities are open to the public outside of school hours.

[meg]

Anyone else interested want to chime in on time/thoughts/etc? Shibaguyz- since this was your idea, would another day/time work better? Or do you want to leave it till closer that day?