WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: Sound Transit Board finalizes ‘preferred alternative’ routing, despite ‘sticker shock’ concerns

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

With only two “no” votes, the Sound Transit Board officially approved the “preferred alternative” for West Seattle light rail as the routing and station-location plan for the extension currently planned to launch in 2032.

As with the System Expansion Committee earlier this month, the full board had very little discussion about the merits of any particular routing options. The overarching point of discussion was again the potential $7 billion price tag that surfaced with the Final Environmental Impact Statement. But ST staff assured them repeatedly that this vote isn’t committing them to actually building the project – just to moving into design.

Before the vote, there were two presentations. Project leader Jason Hampton (here’s the full slide deck) began with a recap of what’s led up to this, in the past few years:

He recapped that construction would not begin before 2027, and went through some other points presented at the System Expansion Committee, including what ST feels the project would accomplish, both for West Seattle (redundancy when the West Seattle Bridge is closed, for example) and for the entire system (providing a new connection to ST’s Operations Maintenance Facility, for example). Hampton said the preferred alternative minimizes displacements, compared to the others.

As explained, this decision would advance the West Seattle project toward the end of environmental review and allow the project to move into design in a timely manner.

In Q/A/comments, board chair Dow Constantine, King County Executive, observed that in essence, this would get the project to the “shovel-ready phase.” Board member Cassie Franklin, Everett Mayor, wondered why this is so high-priority compared to some other projects in queue, and Hampton recapped its importance. She then asked whether costs could be cut by, for example, reducing park protection – “I love parks but I really want to get the spine built.” Hampton responded, “We’re going to look at everything to try to reduce costs.” She pressed, “Is this the more expensive route?” Not in a big way, he said, and in some cases, like the Duwamish Crossing – the new bridge that’ll be built to get the line across the river – the not-chosen north alternative, would not affect parks at all, but would be much more costly.

Board member Girmay Zahilay, King County Councilmember, said he was surfacing some concerns/questions from his fellow councilmember Teresa Mosqueda (who’s not on the board), such as the West Seattle Health Club impacts. Has ST engaged with her and/or addressed her concerns? Constantine said he had spoken with her often. CEO Goran Sparrman also said they’d engaged in “multiple conversations” regarding mitigation, and turned it over to Mestas for details. She promised “more open houses and roundtables to get feedback.” She said they’re working with the health club “on different options.”

Board member Dan Strauss, Seattle City Councilmember, said he’d heard concerns about the alignment but “staff has assured me” they can work through it, so he supports the preferred alternative: “We can’t stop now.” Mestas again said they’re looking at “how businesses operate” and so they’re examining construction methods – modular, off-site, for example – to reduce direct impacts. Strauss said he’s more focused on longterm impacts such as sidewalks, trash pickups, for example. Board member Jim Kastama, Puyallup Mayor, was worried that advancing this project could cause harm to Pierce County projects further down the line. McCartan said, no, it won’t, because these are design dollars – construction dollars could be a different story but they’ll get there when they get there. “You can move forward this project without imperiling extensions to Everett or Tacoma.”

Board member Bruce Harrell, Seattle Mayor, said he wants to be certain that it be easy for people to get involved with Sound Transit and this “megaproject,” whether small businesses or residents, “to make sure their concerns are heard.”

Board member Nancy Backus, Auburn Mayor, also voiced concerns about “subarea equity,” being sure that folks in all areas paying into ST are getting something for their money.

Board member Christine Frizzell, Lynnwood Mayor, said she’s heard the most from constituents and community members about the “sticker shock,” so she’s wanting to be assured that this and other projects are being presented with the most accurate approach. Mestas said this and other projects would all be evaluated with the same methodology. Frizzell pressed further: “Where did we go so wrong” on estimates? Mestas recapped the factors that had been mentioned previously, from “market conditions,” such as lack of competition, to “scope evolution.”

Board member Claudia Balducci, King County Councilmember, said, as she had at the System Expansion Committee, that absolute clarity on the board’s “levers” is vital. In recapping her committee’s discussion before the vote, she reiterated that “time is money” and things will only get more expensive if they wait.

Board member Bruce Dammeier, Pierce County Executive, said he’s excited about the budgetary discipline that the workplan (more on that later) will bring to this project and others – so he’s “cautiously optimistic.” But he said, “I still have concerns …” and he doesn’t see how even all the ideas for cost savings will cut the projected price tag by billions, so he is “very concerned that this project jeopardizes the ability to get to the spine.” So he said he would vote no, and he did.

Strauss added an amendment to the final resolution, summarized in Sound Transit’s post-meeting news release as follows:

The Board’s approved resolution included an amendment to move forward with the development and implementation of the workplan to improve the agency’s financial situation and move the West Seattle Link Extension through design. This amendment also directed the agency to continue working to reduce identified project impacts during the design phase and advancement of the workplan to achieve cost savings and to minimize community impacts in SODO and West Seattle, while continuing to provide enhanced transit integration and station access and engaging with impacted residents and businesses.

Before the final vote, Harrell reiterated that Seattle residents voted overwhelmingly in favor of ST3, and “we’ve done a lot of work to get to this point,” so “this is the right vote to take to support this project … at this point.”

And Constantine – who led the push to include West Seattle in ST3 almost a decade ago – recalled the board choosing a preferred alignment in 2022, making the project “a little more real.” Yes, he acknowledged, everyone is frustrated by the costs of delivering infrastructure projects. “We are seeing this EVERYWHERE,” he stressed. But “I really need us to keep our focus on moving projects forward even in times of financial volatility.” The design work and workplan will help them move beyond the only ways they’ve cut costs in the past, “scope reduction and delay. … If we become paralyzed, continuing that pattern of delay, and reducing what we’re willing to build, we’re going to (fail to) keep the promise we made to the voters.” He insisted that this isn’t just a stub, it builds capacity for the extension to Everett. “We’re going to learn how to deliver a capital program under these changed circumstances.” And he underscored that a vote to approve this action is not a final commitment to deliver the project at any cost. But he urged support for delivering light rail “to the 100,000 people who live on the Duwamish Peninsula.”

The resolution passed, 14-2, choosing the preferred alternative, as the “project to be built.” Dammeier and Kastama were the two “no” votes.

Earlier:

WEST SEATTLE WORKPLAN: As they had done at the System Expansion Committee two weeks ago, deputy CEO Terri Mestas and Hampton talked about the workplan that board chair Constantine had requested, including some toplines about ways they will look for cost savings. Here’s the full slide deck. Mestas noted that the next phase of this project will be “design validation” but many other milestones follow, including 80 percent design, when a key decision about going ahead with construction would be made.

A big part of the workplan also is setting up systems – such as dashboards – for “real-time monitoring” and reporting progress. Responding to some criticism at the committee meeting that the presentation was too generic, some details were added about touchstones for cost savings:

She also showed a funding timeline. Construction will take about 86 percent of the project funding.

The board also heard from Brian McCartan, a former ST CEO who has come on board as a consultant. He talked about four “buckets” for “financial opportunities,” and two later phases of financial focus. Mestas then showed three touchstones for next year, including board approval of a design-services contract, and “programmatic” planning such as reviewing lessons learned from ST2:

Right of way (ROW) acquisition had been mentioned a few times, so Mestas was asked at the end of the presentation about criteria for that. Hampton said that basically, it depends. Any way to prioritize properties that wish to be acquired? Hampton said there’s federal criteria for considering that, so it’s a possibility.

WHAT’S NEXT? A whole lot of activity – more intensive property acquisition talks, for one – and also an official step called the “record of decision.” Then, those touchstones – including “baselining” in the next few years to determine when and how much will be spent. See more details on the project website.

101 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: Sound Transit Board finalizes 'preferred alternative' routing, despite 'sticker shock' concerns"

  • Mike October 24, 2024 (8:27 pm)

    When are we gonna give up this nonsense?  If this is ever built it will be after the world has passed it by.  Just give us better transit service.

    • West Seattle Mad Sci Guy October 24, 2024 (8:54 pm)

      Yes please do. Light rail is better transit service. This is giving us better transit service. Woohoo! I mostly don’t drive unless I’m driving far from Seattle and I much prefer light rail to bus.  Metro is slow, tends to have more crazies, and gets stuck in traffic. I don’t love street level light rail segments but thankfully I only deal with that when going to the airport. 

      • 1994 October 24, 2024 (10:28 pm)

        Plenty of crazies on light rail too….remember the hammer dude who hit someone with a hammer in the head? Remember the dude with a gun who shot the chef on the train platform…remember the nurse who was tossed down the stairs at the light rail entry…..plenty of crazies love the light rail too!

        • Jason October 25, 2024 (9:09 am)

          Way more “Crazies” in cars flipping them over daily and hitting pedestrians. Bring on light rail!

        • Sam October 25, 2024 (9:27 am)

          I’ve had far more threatening encounters with road raging suburbanites in lifted pickup trucks than hammer-wielding psychos on transit. This is a silly lens for discussing major infrastructure. Let’s just build the trains the majority already voted for.

        • JustSarah October 25, 2024 (9:57 am)

          Even more crazies seem to drive, if we’re providing anecdotal evidence of systemic issues. Constantly hearing about road rage, reckless driving, etc. It’s statistically much safer to take public transit, and within that category, rail is safer than bus. 

      • Commuter Joe October 25, 2024 (3:17 pm)

        This is exactly how my young daughter and I call road raging and impatient drivers: Crazies. So many times I’ve seen drivers not give me or my family the right of way at cross walks because they’re in a demented state. Far more than any loons I’ve seen in the bus. Bring on the light rail!

      • The Earl October 25, 2024 (6:52 pm)

        More crazies???showing your pride

    • 98126res October 28, 2024 (7:31 pm)

      $7 billion and counting, costs nearly doubled. Is this actual stealing?  Planners seem to have few qualms spending an enormous amount of Taxpayer money.  Seattle’s debt could be paid off with $2 billion left over! And Government has proven to be very inefficient at running anything.

  • Hawk12 October 24, 2024 (9:03 pm)

    Kind of a bummer you still have to transfer at the SODO station to get to downtown. Any idea if they’ll do upgrades to that station? 

    • K October 25, 2024 (1:19 am)

      The transfer at SODO isn’t forever, just until a future segment is built.

      • Alki resident October 25, 2024 (9:37 am)

        Nothing a few billion more dollars can’t fix. 

        • K October 25, 2024 (9:55 am)

          Thank you for describing literally every infrastructure project ever, lol

  • Ronald Foust October 24, 2024 (9:15 pm)

    Just like everything in this city, (The world…)it shouldn’t take 3-5 years to implement something…

    • Peter October 25, 2024 (4:31 am)

      Good engineering takes time. Even a water treatment plant is going to take 3-5 years and that it all on one site. This being a transit project is much more complicated with much more property concerned and much more to design, so i don’t see the time frame as all that unusual.

       

      • andrew October 25, 2024 (9:36 am)

        st3 was approved in 2016. they are approaching year 10 of this project

        • JustSarah October 25, 2024 (9:59 am)

          And this was always the timeline for the WSLE. 

          • WSB October 25, 2024 (10:02 am)

            At one point very early on, the target date was 2030, and then it became 2032.

          • Jason October 25, 2024 (11:58 am)

            WSB, isn’t that because of the pandemic?

  • atlonglast October 24, 2024 (9:16 pm)

    Good job hanging in there those on the “potentially impacted” list. At least we can start making plans for the future now.

  • Alf October 24, 2024 (9:29 pm)

    Can someone educate me on exactly how the proposal on the current ballot impacts this processif voted down what happens to this project as outlined above

  • TW October 24, 2024 (10:12 pm)

    This is a joke of a plan, this is a waste of our taxpayers dollars. This train is not the solution for WS. Does anybody remember the Monorail debauchery? It cost us a lot of money for nothing. I agree better Transit planning as we come out of this pandemic.

    • Oakley34 October 24, 2024 (11:03 pm)

      Oooh, Monorail debauchery?!? Sounds kinky! Do tell!

      • Penpal October 25, 2024 (12:19 am)

        I still have a free ride ticket for December 15 2007 for the opening day of the monorail in West Seattle…

        • Spicy Eight Piece October 25, 2024 (9:09 am)

          I have one of those too! Maybe we can go together when it opens? Will there be any of this so called ‘debauchery’ involved?

        • Lola October 25, 2024 (9:40 am)

          I never saw a refund on my car tabs that we had to pay for the Monorail that was never built.  Who pocketed all of that money?  All of the property that they bought on 35th for the Monorail is now Condo’s.  Or was that their plan all along?   

      • West Seattle Steve October 25, 2024 (12:49 am)

        A pipe dream from 20 years ago. It was probably feasible, but they sold the project with unrealistic expectations of financing and revenue. When the numbers  ballooned, the project was killed.Seattle Monorail Project

      • bill October 25, 2024 (7:42 am)

        The Monorail was dreamed up and overseen by sincere but naive amateurs who made big mistakes planning financing. Their errors did not come to light until tax revenue came in way below expectations. By then a lot of properties had been purchased, displacing businesses and residents. The Monorail hangover probably played a role in tanking Phil Tavel’s bid for a city council seat in the previous election because he highlighted his role in the fiasco.

    • bill October 25, 2024 (7:32 am)

      TW: Debauchery does not mean what you think it does.

      • Jason October 25, 2024 (11:59 am)

        Bone apple tea of the day Debacle/Debauchery. 

    • The Earl October 25, 2024 (6:54 pm)

      West side newbies weren’t around for that big property grab. For a failed project.

  • AllAboard October 24, 2024 (11:28 pm)

    I see the nay sayers have found the comments section (again). Let’s goooo, light rail! I’m stoked!Only wish it could come sooner!

  • bradley October 24, 2024 (11:42 pm)

    Expecting that (if) a shovel hits the ground, the price will be closer to $10 billion in 3 years, which is outrageous.

  • Derrick October 25, 2024 (1:10 am)

    What is crazy to think about – if you took Elon Musk’s estimated net worth of 240 Billion and just put it in a treasury bond, you could use the interest (and only the interest!) earned in a year to pay for this entire project and STILL have 3 BILLION left over. It really helps put into perspective how skewed our inequalities are as a society when a single man can have hoarded enough wealth that the interest on that wealth alone in a year would pay for a mega-prject like this!     

    • WS Guy October 25, 2024 (4:18 am)

      Musk doesn’t have all that money. It’s all paper – that’s the value of the equity in the companies that he created and runs. If he were to try to sell it all the value would crash.  If he did sell a portion and put it into treasuries, well I hate to tell you, but the interest on treasuries is paid by the taxpayer, so you’re just right back where you started… Shaking down the public to pay for a mega project.

      • Seth October 25, 2024 (10:39 am)

        Except the company wouldn’t lose any of its value if Elon sold his shares. The shares are worth the cash flow of the company plus it’s assets minus its debts and that has nothing to do with whether or not Elon sells. Obviously if he sells on the open market all at once there’s downward selling pressure but that’s why dark pools exist and if you could find a buyer that would take him for his shares It is actual money and it’s disingenuous to not pretend it is

    • I love watching Elon squirm October 25, 2024 (5:47 am)

      Let’s shake down old pasty face Elon. I bet he cracks easy under pressure.

    • The King October 25, 2024 (7:12 am)

      Our state isn’t very good with money. Remember in 2021 when the ESD somehow “lost” $1.1 billion dollars to Nigerian scammers? There was no investigation. The lady in charge of Washington’s unemployment at the time did such a good job she got a job in the presidents cabinet. 

      • Bbron October 25, 2024 (9:01 am)

        because this misinformation is sitting here uncontested: it was around $600 million that was scammed, and $400 million had been recovered by 2022.

        • The King October 25, 2024 (6:00 pm)

          The reports coming out of Olympia kept changing. Initially the number was $330 million, then it went to $600 million. At one point local news had it at $1.3 trillion at which point it was all mitigated weekly until it just went away with a statement from inslee saying there would be no investigation. 

          • Bbron October 26, 2024 (5:24 am)

            my bad, I didn’t realize we were here just to make stuff up.

    • CW October 25, 2024 (7:55 am)

      Thank you for putting it in perspective!We, the average folks, are so used to fighting over crumbs or maybe one cookie, forgetting that one or very few took the other nine on the plate. 

    • bill October 25, 2024 (7:57 am)

      You are kind of right but you are incorrectly equating wealth with money. Musk absolutely does not have $240 billion stuffed in mattresses. His wealth does not exist as money. He did not vacuum $240 billion away from other people. Musk’s wealth is notional, set overnight by the last stock trade every day. To buy a Treasury bond his stock would have to be sold, which absolutely would suck a lot of money away from other investments (and incidentally crater the price, so you would end up with a lot less than $240 billion). I’ll be clear: I loathe the guy. But this tiresome fantasy of using repulsive billionaires’ wealth in socially beneficial ways is fundamentally harebrained.

      • Bbron October 25, 2024 (9:03 am)

        you forget that although it’s not yet realized, stocks can be used as collateral to borrow against which gives some liquidity other than selling. massive amounts of stocks for the rich don’t just sit around providing them no benefit until a sale.

      • bradley October 25, 2024 (9:11 am)

        Bill’s explanation of how Elon’s sale would impact in many ways is spot on.  Perhap this is a better alternative with regard to the National Debt:

        The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that interest payments will total $892 billion in fiscal year 2024 and rise rapidly throughout the next decade — climbing from $1 trillion in 2025 to $1.7 trillion in 2034. In total, net interest payments will total $12.9 trillion over the next decade. 

    • anonyme October 25, 2024 (10:37 am)

      Elon is too busy buying illegal and unethical votes from deplorables and funding his new, “obedient”, robotic girlfriend to be concerned with doing real good in the real world.

  • WS Guy October 25, 2024 (4:21 am)

    I took the C line downtown today.  I got there in 15 minutes.  I could have taken it all the way from the ferry terminal too, with no need for a transfer and no need to navigate an escalator. I don’t see how spending $7 billion is going to improve upon that.  If anything it’s spending a lot to make things worse.

    • HS October 25, 2024 (8:45 am)

      Bus rider here because I don’t have a car. I cannot wait for light rail. I tried to go to an event, took the bus, and it got stuck in game traffic. Mind this was well before the game ended bc I actively timed my commute to avoid this traffic because had no choice but go through that area due to bus routes. I spent over 45 minutes commuting from the junction to just south of the stadium. Eventually I had to exit the bus, walk a distance to catch another bus home bc I was too late for my event. That was a 90+ minute commute including transfer. Although this experience is extreme, it is a more accurate reflection of my experience riding buses here. 

    • Bbron October 25, 2024 (8:50 am)

      and I often take the H line and it typically takes 15 minutes or more to just get from the Jackson St stop to the first stop on 3rd Ave. Inconsistency and dependency on surface street conditions is the issue. without grade separation the issue will continue to get worst.

    • Platypus October 25, 2024 (9:02 am)

      The RapidRide system is nice. but it shares lanes with cars. The number of people in West Seattle are going up. This will both add more people to the C, which it can’t handle, as well as add more cars, which the C will get stuck in (and does today). Unless you are proposing we turn the entire C route into bus only lanes, and triple the number of C buses you are not proposing what the train will deliver. The train is the smart answer to build a solution for the future we will have.

  • Weston October 25, 2024 (7:46 am)

    I currently live in Belltown but plan to return to my old home neighborhood West Seattle this coming year (as it is I make frequent trips there).  I certainly look forward to having the light rail there as an alternative route amd further reduce the chances of having to endure another chapter of This Island West Seattle.

  • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (8:10 am)

    The orginal and first light rail segment through Rainier Valley was an urban revitalization project.  It was never expected to be a public transportation solution, it was first and foremost designed to attract development with riders being secondary  It’s the same motivation behind light rail in Midtown Sacramento or light rail along Rainier Valley.   Remarkable that some people have not grasped this yet.     

    • Bbron October 25, 2024 (8:52 am)

      I didn’t think many folks will continue to listen to you when you stated last thread that a hundred thousand more trips a day done on surface streets would have no noticable impact should the Link just vanish. your arguments against it aren’t based in reality.

      • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (11:45 am)

        No, it wouldn’t, Bbron.  Why?  Because those riders are mostly poached from bus transit.  Even eliminating the L1 to the airport would have no discernible impact on I-5 traffic or on surrounding roadways.  It may be convenient for some but that is not the question. 
        So, the question really is:  How do we define “cost-effective” and this so-called “public good.”  Is there an unlimited price-tag on something that we call a public good and that will service a limited number of people?   

        • Bbron October 26, 2024 (4:36 am)

          Then you obviously don’t know the numbers for ridership. 100 thousands trips a day would definitely have an impact. You think there are enough bus operators for those trips? You think the maintenance, parts, and storage would scale without issue? Your focus is on I5, but Westlake is the most boarded at station meaning surface streets are where you’d see an immense impact (as I’ve continuously called out to you before). If you won’t engage reasonably with the actual data, there’s no point to try to argue against your incorrect takes.

    • K October 25, 2024 (9:59 am)

      It was always expected to be a public transportation solution, Scarlett.  All of the early conversations about light rail centered around the airport (and then the criticisms arose when it was going to stop 1/2 mile short of the airport to save money).  You started with decrying all of the construction jobs light rail would create, then moved to insulting your neighbors’ intelligence, had a pit stop at sharing VERY selective data points, and now you’re just straight up making things up.  None of it’s a good look.  If the facts were on your side you would not need to resort to these tactics to make your point.  

    • Arbor Heights Resident October 25, 2024 (12:38 pm)

      The light rail… was never intended… to be a transportation solution??? Huh? Scarlett, you’ve said a lot of questionable things over the months in these comment sections, but this one has got to be the most baffling. I don’t even know how to respond to this honestly. Clearly the WSB serves not only the Seattle I live in, but also the alternate dimension of Scarlett. 

      • Ex-Westwood Resident October 25, 2024 (7:44 pm)

        A broken clock is right twice a day, and in this case, Scarlett is CORRECT.

        LLR was NEVER intended to relieve congestion on ANY roads/freeways. The ONLY people making that claim are the ardent, fanatical supporters of LLR. 

        Sound Transit itself has NEVER made that claim and has repeatedly denied that the LLR is a congestion relief solution.

        They have even admitted that the riders of the LLR will be bus riders and very few will be switching from cars to LLR.

        I REALLY wonder what the close to $2,000,000,000 per mile for the seven-mile route could be used for instead.

        Be prepared to vote on a $90,000,000,000+ ST4 to pay for the cost overruns of ST3, just as that was used to pay for the cost overruns of ST2.

        • Bbron October 26, 2024 (4:50 am)

          Because Link is a preventative measure to account for growth. Look at how many trips are done on the Link every day and then translate that over to cars or buses on surface streets: you’d either have a huge increase in traffic and/or have a  huge reduction in the total amount of people moving around. Not having an alternative to cars or buses puts every new additional person on the same streets. And since they compete for the same limited space, people will opt away from buses as the experience worsens due to the streets filling up. The only reality where our car centric infrastructure will continue to be good enough is if population growth stop right now and stagnates or decreases which is where I feel most anti-Link folks desire (hence the ardent “[West] Seattle is full!” voices).

        • K October 26, 2024 (4:22 pm)

          No, they are not correct.  Even if light rail is not intended to replace cars, it IS and has ALWAYS been intended as a transit solution to accommodate the ever-increasing population because there is no way to add capacity to the roads. Some clocks are missing a bunch of pieces and are not correct, even once or twice a day.

  • Dexter Horton October 25, 2024 (8:19 am)

    The West Seattle light rail extension would be vital should the area experience another moderately severe earthquake.  The West Seattle high bridge is now being held together with tension cables that would not survive a quake.  Simple probability math says that over a 365 year span, at 23 years from a prior quake,  the probability of a quake (in any given year) is now greater than 50%.  A new Duwamish bridge crossing, via the light rail, will be engineered for a 9.0 quake and will survive to provide a commute to the city core.

    • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (11:52 am)

      You guys are really pulling out all the stops.  West Seattle is a peninsula, not an island.  There are other access roads in and out besides the West Seattle bridge as many discovered during the repairs.   

      • Arbor Heights Resident October 25, 2024 (12:40 pm)

        Spoken like someone who doesn’t live in West Seattle. “There are other roads”, I hope you’re joking.

        • Rhonda October 25, 2024 (1:23 pm)

          Arbor Heights Resident, as Scarlett illustrated there ARE several ways in and out of West Seattle: West Seattle Bridge(s), 1st South Bridge, Cloverdale thru South Park, Delridge/Ambaum, Olson/Myers, 1st Ave and 4th Ave towards Burien, West Marginal, plus 116th, 106th, 128th, etc, which feed into 509, etc, etc….The list could be much longer.

          • K October 25, 2024 (3:34 pm)

            1st Ave S bridge, Cloverdae through South Park, and Olson/Meyers are all the same route, and it was a nightmare when the high bridge was closed.  1st and 4th take you south to go back north, which is not more efficient than crawling slowly along other routes but only going north, and you end up back in the same traffic once you get get back north anyway.  509 turns into the 1st Ave Bridge, which is the same choke point that makes the every other route in the area (Cloverdale, Olson/Myers) take forever.  In short, you just gave a long list of access points to the exact same, single way out of West Seattle. Arbor Heights Resident is correct on this one.

          • Rhonda October 25, 2024 (4:27 pm)

            K, I take 106th to 509 to Cloverdale through South Park and across the South Park Bridge all the time. That gets me on East Marginal Way or Airport Way to go north or south or over to I-5. Holden down to 599 and the 1st South Bridge is another way north from the central part of the peninsula. I have 7 or 8 routes to and from the Eastside on my daily commute depending on traffic or snow/ice. West Seattle is very easy to get in and out of.

        • Dexter October 25, 2024 (1:24 pm)

          Roxbury was a nightmare when the West Seattle Bridge was out of service.

        • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (7:05 pm)

          There are many alternate routes out of West Seattle in the event of the “Big One” that takes out the WS bridge (and likely West Seattle light rail as well.?  Do you want me to count them for you?  Good grief, this conversation is absolutely inane. 

          • K October 26, 2024 (4:31 pm)

            The original post was about ways into the downtown core and you and Rhonda are over here talking about all of the ways to drive to Burien or listing every side street you can take to wind up in traffic on Marginal Way (and still nowhere near the downtown core).  Please learn some geography.  No one is talking about going to Des Moines in the event of an earthquake except you.  This whole conversation is about getting from West Seattle to the city center.

  • Jason October 25, 2024 (9:06 am)

    Wooohoo!! I love this news. Let’s get digging already!

  • Kathy October 25, 2024 (10:29 am)

    Trying to get the rich people out of their cars in West Seattle is an uphill battle as long as there is a big wide freeway posing as a bridge to get people in and out. This would have made so much more sense if it had been built along the Rapid Ride H corridor instead of a couple of stops into the Rapid Ride C line corridor.

    • Richwhiteguy October 25, 2024 (6:55 pm)

      Kathy many of us rich people embrace public transit. I live in Admiral and take the bus and light rail most places. Why? I think climate change is real and I’d rather read a book than sit in traffic being angry.

  • anonyme October 25, 2024 (10:43 am)

    Yet more evidence that the Sound Transit Board either believes that King County residents have bottomless pockets, or could care less that taxpayers actually have to pay for fantasies not their own.  And then there’s Prop. 1…now we’re talking trillions.  It’s likely that this light rail system will be obsolete before a single shovel hits the ground; meanwhile, somebody is getting rich off this boondoggle.

    • Platypus October 25, 2024 (2:09 pm)

      The people voted to approve ST3 in 2016, knowing they would pay. Prop 1 is also a vote to the people. We are choosing the use our taxes to make the region robust. If you can think of a mass transportation technology that is more advanced we are all ears, but it doesn’t exist, and will certainly not be obsolete. We are investing in this for ourselves, no one is getting rich off of this deal except the region by having a world class transportation system

      • anonyme October 26, 2024 (7:16 am)

        Votes made more than eight years ago are not relevant today.  It is also a fact that the vote was based on multiple falsehoods; the same Prop 1 that brought us ST3 in 2016 was successfully challenged in court for deception in regard to car tab fees.  The response from ST lawyers at the time was that they knew they had broken the law but didn’t believe that citizens had the right to be able to calculate or predict their own tax loads.  (This is from the Washington Policy Center.)  Here’s a link to a much more detailed rundown of the falsehoods put forth by ST in order to secure the 2016 vote:  https://shiftwa.org/sound-transit-promoting-st3-with-false-claims/.   “Knowing they would pay” is not the same thing as writing a huge blank check to serve a small number of people while having a massive impact in terms of displacement.

        • Arbor Heights Resident October 26, 2024 (8:44 pm)

          Of course the vote is still relevant. Why wouldn’t it be, just because you don’t like the result? Oh, and your link is broken.

        • Bbron October 27, 2024 (10:48 am)

          Lol, sure is a detailed breakdown focusing solely on traffic congestion not being reduced. wonder what they believe the solution to traffic congestion is? would be interesting coming from a publication labeling the article “Liberal Lies,” alas they’ve seemed to have lost steam after 2017 😥 Sad sight for a champion of carbon offsets.

    • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (6:21 pm)

      Bingo. 

  • CKathes October 25, 2024 (11:17 am)

    Light rail to West Seattle (and Ballard, etc.) would be nice but should not be top priority. Sound Transit should focus on extending Link to Tacoma and Everett before building anything more in Seattle. Those intercity connections are crucial and should have been done decades ago.

    • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (5:23 pm)

      You might be right about that.  Decades ago, rail running along I-5 at frequent intervals and stops might have provided a cost-effective alternate.   Unfortunately, it is probably too late, cost-wise.   You will probably disagree, but light rail within city limits is a relatively insignificant addition to public transportation. 

  • PB October 25, 2024 (12:23 pm)

    Thank you, WSB, for being my go-to source for all things light-rail related. Your recaps, links, and status updates have been so helpful. 

  • Jay October 25, 2024 (12:45 pm)

    Can any of the NIMBYs clarify where the “finished whining about the project” milestone falls on the timeline? Maybe at the start of preconstruction activities? Or is it going to go through construction? Will we have local nursing homes facilitating trips to the completed light rail stations in the 2030s?

    • walkerws October 25, 2024 (3:35 pm)

      It will be 2089, and over a nuclear ravaged hellscape “Cardriver,” “Scarlett,” and “Alki Resident” will still be shouting into the obliterated void

      • CarDriver October 25, 2024 (4:45 pm)

        Walkerws. Actually, We’ll be the ones saying I told you so when you’re hyperventilating about the taxes you’re paying to cover the cost of building and operating light rail. And, just like you we’ll still be owning and driving a car.

        • Derek October 26, 2024 (1:55 am)

          Doesn’t have to be this way! We could tax Amazon and Starbucks and capital gains way more… but yall want sales taxes that go up no matter who threatens you to vote on carbon trading or whatever corporate nonsense. We should be making them pay and switch to income tax. Less property taxes in this instance too. 

  • Scarlett October 25, 2024 (5:12 pm)

    Displacing and uprooting our neighbors for some light rail fantasy isn’t a laughing matter.     

  • What is Cassie Franklin’s problem? October 25, 2024 (7:39 pm)
      • City did Everett this is who you elected to represent you. It is ridiculously insulting that this so called official has some agenda against West Seattle. Are we not supposed to have accessible public transportation?
      • I won’t be surprised in a few years it comes out that Everett Mayor Cassie Franklin had an undisclosed connection that benefits from West Seattle not getting Light Rail. Every meeting they have been dramatically “unable to understand the benefit of Light Rail in West Seattle”. Can Cassie Franklin understand the benefit of expanding transportation and infrastructure to Everett? Or is that also out of this world for them to understand? Rules for thee not for me. 

  • Ex-Westwood Resident October 25, 2024 (7:54 pm)

    I’m just curious just how many people here remember the ORIGINAL promise of the ST Link Light Rail that was voted on?

    The route that was used to sell this multi-billion $ project, and just how long after passing the truth came out?

    How many realize that EVERY individual ride on the LLR is subsidized ~90%?

    • Bbron October 26, 2024 (5:21 am)

      Except it isn’t 90%, it’s closer to 84% with a farebox recovery rate of 16% (in 2022). But what’s cool is that Link has the highest farebox recovery rate compared to Metro (<9% in 2022) or the other ST transit, so if you’re gonna complain about this with the Link, you’re not gonna be able to eventually roll out a “buses instead of light rail” argument. However, how much do we subsidize car trips? The transportation levies predominately go to car centric infrastructure and repairs, car tabs and gas taxes don’t get anywhere close to covering the costs of maintenance, public parking depresses tax revenues, and all the while car’ll impart tons of pollution onto the surrounding communities. But we wouldn’t want to bring up externalized costs on the environment when thinking about our dollars…

      • anonyme October 26, 2024 (10:11 am)

        Light rail has sold itself as being climate-friendly, but the facts are very different.  I have never owned a car and environmental issues are my top priority, but ST3 is a failure on that count.  Do some research; the claims made by ST for the 2016 Prop 1 were wildly exaggerated.  The construction alone will cause extreme damage to the environment and exacerbate climate issues.  And don’t forget that riders will still have to get to the stations via bus or car.
        https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/760155cae7ee4c80205854259f5c669a.pdf

        • Walkerws October 27, 2024 (8:54 pm)

          Most riders get to light rail stations in Seattle by walking, cycling, or taking the bus. Don’t lie. It’s unbecoming. 

    • Walkerws October 26, 2024 (6:39 am)

      And every mile you drive is also subsidized ~90%.

      • CarDriver October 26, 2024 (5:30 pm)

        Walkerws. Please provide factual numbers to back that up.

        • Walkerws October 27, 2024 (8:53 pm)

          Provide numbers to backup your assertions. 

  • N October 26, 2024 (7:41 am)

    This is $70,000 for every single man, woman and child on the Duwamish Peninsula.  And that number will likely go up.  Not to mention the costs of disruption in homes and businesses taken by eminent domain, and the additional traffic we will have to ensure while it is built. Is this really worth it?  Isn’t bus service good enough for West Seattle?

    • Arbor Heights Resident October 26, 2024 (4:59 pm)

      Yes, it’s really worth it.

      • Scarlett October 26, 2024 (6:23 pm)

        Every argument mounted to defend this light rail segment – including earthquakes – has has been dissected, dismantled, and dispensed with.  So, unless you have something new to offer, I’m not seeing any reason for your confidence, AHR.  I’m a big advocate of public transportation but I know a juicy piece of infrastructure pork when I see it.   

        • Arbor Heights Resident October 26, 2024 (8:48 pm)

          I’ve yet to hear even a single compelling argument against this light rail segment over the whole course of this “debate”. Just a whole lot of hot air, propaganda, misinformation, and fearmongering from a few dozen loud people. Nothing has been “dispensed with” except in your imagination. The project will continue to go forward, as it should, and some day we will have our light rail connection.

  • NY’er October 27, 2024 (7:45 am)

    Public transit is going to change Seattle for the better. Cars are not necessary for inter city commuting, trains are the way. Let’s get this shit moving already so Seattle can finally become an actual city, instead of a town with big buildings. We really need to be considering our collective growth, not individual. And collectively, we all need better ways to get around, that support community movement and a neighborhoods local economy. 

    • This October 27, 2024 (12:46 pm)

      This commentSo many of the comments miss the mark or the point. This is perfect. Also, I think it is hilarious the amount of people in this blog that are so bitter about something that helps people more than it hurts. If you do not like it, Move? 

  • CarDriver October 27, 2024 (9:24 am)

    NY’R.  Guessing you, and others that say they’re car free only go where you can get by transit/light rail;biking;walking. If you can’t use those modes, you stay home?

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