WEST SEATTLE SCHOOLS: With district meetings starting this week, here’s what happened at board director Leslie Harris’s community chat

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

This week, Seattle Public Schools starts a series of community meetings to talk about the concept of “well-resourced schools.”

Our area’s school board director, Leslie Harris, wishes district managers would just describe the conversation as what it’s truly about: “Closures and consolidations.”

She made that comment Saturday afternoon during one of her periodic community-conversation availabilities, at which she was joined by another member of the board, Vivian Song Maritz (whose district stretches from downtown to Ballard), in the upstairs meeting room at Southwest Library. Only four community members showed up during the course of the hour and a half Harris was there, and none were there to talk about the looming “closures and consolidations” issue. But it was threaded through the discussion anyway.

Will decisions be made before Harris leaves the board at year’s end (she chose not to run again, after two 4-year terms)? She doesn’t know. But something has to be done to deal with the district’s ~$130 million projected budget deficit – if it’s not addressed, Harris said, then the district is at risk of being taken over by the state.

She and Song Maritz said a sizable share of the blame for the budget deficit in fact lies with the state. They’re not fully funding special education. There’s some perception that last year’s contract deal for educators is the budget-busting culprit, but Song Maritz declared that’s not so: “The state is funding that,” but not the full cost of special education.

That’s what the first community member to show up at the meeting wanted to talk about – not funding so much as “what’s going well” and what policies might be “useful.” He described himself as a retired educator. The funding shortage, however, is the first thing the board members mentioned, with Harris saying the prospect of the state taking over the district “terrifies me.” She also said teachers need more tools to help prepare for and succeed in the changing educational environment – more professional development, more instructional aides – as the inclusion model takes root. They also noted that “we are losing teachers.”

Song Maritz explained the funding discrepancy, with the state capping funding at 13.5 percent of “resident … full-time enrollment,” but the district costs tending toward 15 percent. “So we have to take money from other sources to serve the kids we are obligated to serve.” That’s $400 million statewide, she said. She and Harris said that the special education gap plus the transportation funding gap equals SPS’s looming nine-digit gap – “the state is not covering the cost of getting kids to school.” And to compound the difficulties, they said, district administrators don’t provide board members with enough detailed information to facilitate “approving the budget to reallocate resources.” And, Harris added, “We can’t tell our story well in Olympia – if we’re not getting the details, legislators aren’t either.”

So now the board is faced with dealing with the deficit. Harris recalled the bitter battles in the ’00s about school closures, and observed that district administration has mostly turned over since then, so few might be prepared for the sort of bitter battles that erupted during that process (in West Seattle, that included the closure of the Cooper Elementary “program” on Pigeon Point, moving Pathfinder K-8 into that building, so its former home could be demolished and replaced by Genesee Hill Elementary, to which the former Schmitz Park Elementary was moved). “I’m not sure that the folks helping the board make decisions understand the tsunami coming their way.” But Harris and Song Maritz didn’t dispute that closures/consolidations are unavoidable – “it’s not fair to students in underenrolled schools not to have the entire continuum of resources.” However, there will be domino effects, such as “when you close and consolidate schools, you have to redraw boundaries.” Harris observed that they’ll need to be mindful of “unintended consequences.”

The third and fourth people to show up at Saturday’s meeting were a mother and daughter who had attended one of Harris’s community chats earlier in the year to talk to her about their attempts to get a water-polo program going at West Seattle High School. They described their efforts as “in a holding pattern” as they deal with district administrators. In the meantime, the student has signed up for WSHS’s swim team, while they keep working on trying to get water polo added as a “club” sport. Song Maritz noted that the school board has three student members, one of whom is from WSHS, so that would be a good person to talk with.

The conversation turned back to the state of the district, looking toward this week’s meetings (the one for West Seattle and South Park is set for 6 pm Thursday, August 10th, at Madison Middle School). The district needs to do better research on enrollment trends such as why families are leaving, Song Maritz observed – she thinks a major factor is families moving out of Seattle – largely because of housing costs – not just families moving into independent or parochial schools. Pierce County, for example, is gaining enrollment.

As the meeting ebbed to a close – Song Maritz had to leave about an hour in, to be with her family – Harris vowed that she would stay involved even beyond the end of her term at the end of the year, so whether or not the school closure/consolidation decisions are made before she “leaves,” her advocacy will continue.

P.S. If you can’t get to the Thursday meeting at Madison MS (3429 45th SW), an all-district online meeting is planned August 29th.

22 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE SCHOOLS: With district meetings starting this week, here's what happened at board director Leslie Harris's community chat"

  • Mel August 7, 2023 (8:11 pm)

    I can’t speak for all, but can speak for my family. The lack of leadership and overall mismanagement of SPS is a big reason we’re choosing private. Can we afford it? Barely. We will have many trade offs. But I have friends with kids in SPS and they are very academically behind. I’m not willing to take that chance with my incoming kindergartner. 

    • Orb August 7, 2023 (11:13 pm)

      If it makes you feel better, my elementary kids are academically successful at an SPS school. All their friends seem to be as well. I think ultimately when you are involved as a parent with your child, academic success becomes easier. The problem for me is that my kids (and many of the kids at local SPS schools) are advanced learners and are not being challenged enough. The schools focus more on making sure those who are academically behind get on the correct level, at the expense of the AL students whose needs do not get met. At the kindergarten level, your child would do just fine at a public school. It’s when they start to split from the pack is it more noticeable what they need. 

      • Mel August 8, 2023 (5:29 am)

        I appreciate hearing your experience. I should have been more specific in my post. I have heard a lot about the doing away with HC as well and that there is a lot of teaching “down” to the lowest student in the class. IMO, SPS is failing students if they’re not meeting them where they’re at academically, and that includes those who are advanced. Teaching “down” in some instances may mean my kids are behind based on grade level expectations. I also don’t want to have to switch schools after a year or two, knowing how hard it can be to get enrolled in a private school mid elementary.

    • Zoe August 8, 2023 (9:44 am)

      The district needs to be taken over by the state. The incompetence and mismanagement is astonishing. It’s hurting kids and their families.

  • Me Mama August 7, 2023 (10:03 pm)

    The shift away from gifted programming has sent many people packing for private.  Evenso, many of those kids are not getting served much differently at “affordable” private schools in our area.  But, they do get much less diversity re/ economics, social “status” and race/ethnicity and that makes many parents feel “safe”. We are happy with our local public schools and love the diversity and strengths they provide 

    • Mel August 8, 2023 (5:33 am)

      How do you know they’re not getting more academically? I’m genuinely curious as we make decisions for our family.  I know of several students at a very good SPS elementary school who transferred to a private school recently and they were a full grade level behind, requiring them to be held back entering the private school. These are kids with very involved parents too. I’m not saying SPS doesn’t work for everyone. I wish I felt like it would be a good option for us and I would save a lot of money. Our local private school is also just as if not more diverse than our local public school.  

      • ttt August 8, 2023 (8:42 pm)

        The advantage of a private school is lower class sizes so kids can have more one to one attention from the teacher and the teacher has more time to differentiate the stduents’ work to match their needs. Private schools tend not to attract the best teachers as they do not always have a good retirement system nor the same pay as public school. And, as Me Mama said, they are typically not as diverse in racial, economic or abilities. Exposure to that diversity enriches a student’s education.

        • Mel August 9, 2023 (8:25 pm)

          I would almost argue the opposite. Teachers at the private school we’ve chosen tend to have a long tenure because they enjoy teaching. And students are graduating more than prepared for very academically challenging high schools. They accept less pay, yes, but I wonder if some do that because they don’t have to deal with a lot of the bad behavior from students that public schools do. 

  • Person August 8, 2023 (9:56 am)

    SPS elementary schools are great. Once you leave elementary it is just so much work to get what is standard at private school or the east side. Math placement is the biggest reason I regret not leaving SPS at middle school. A friend on the east side said 90% of kids were in algebra in 8th grade in her kid’s class. It is like pulling teeth to get the same here. It’s bonkers that the standard at SPS isn’t to be able to take calculus in high school without intense pushing in 6th grade. If your kid isn’t interested or capable, fine, but most are able if encouraged. 

    • Math Teacher August 8, 2023 (3:12 pm)

      Actually, SPS students who want to reach Calculus in high school, but who didn’t take algebra  in middle school, are encouraged to double up and take both Algebra 1 and Geometry in 9th grade.  This progression works quite well for many students.https://www.seattleschools.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/High-School-Math-Pathway-AP.pdf

      • Person August 8, 2023 (4:53 pm)

        Yes, I just learned about this. It wasn’t an option when my oldest was that age and is not advertised. It is also only available if there’s room.Even this is a huge hoop and a lot of savvy is needed to make it work.

      • loves math August 8, 2023 (5:22 pm)

        How does “doubling up” to take both Alg 1 and Geom in 9th grade work? Do students register for two separate math periods, one for each class? Or are they combined into a single, accelerated math period? It’s not clear from the link provided. I took calculus in high school in the late 90s, and I never had to “double up” my classes to reach that level by senior year- it was the normal progression for students who took math each year. 

      • Mel August 8, 2023 (6:35 pm)

        Does it not seem like a lot to have two periods of math as a freshman in high school? Maybe not, I’ve just never heard of that.

        • Person August 8, 2023 (6:56 pm)

          Yes, but that is the SPS solution. Or you could leave the district and not have to work so hard to get a basic math education.

          • Mel August 8, 2023 (8:10 pm)

            Exactly. These are the hoops I’m referring to. District leadership doesn’t seem competent.

    • wsres August 8, 2023 (8:44 pm)

      Reply to Person: Leadership at Madison needs to be updated to get those changes at that school. The leadership is stagnant there. 

  • Enrolled at SPS August 8, 2023 (12:28 pm)

    Parenting in the city is tough as it is, so I understand why families make choices that they see as in their best interest. The thing that frustrates me the most is the vicious cycle – families pull their kids and go private, enrollment drops, funding drops, schools struggle with dwindling resources, and repeat. We choose public because we believe in being part of our neighborhood community and working to make things better for everyone. And our school is awesome. Educators, staff, everyone is working so hard. I wish more families who say they care would walk the walk – they’re missing out.

  • SLJ August 8, 2023 (1:18 pm)

    Our experience in SPS has been great. Not perfect of course, but overall we’ve been happy. Both kids qualified for advanced learning and took honors in middle school and AP classes in high school. Both were a year ahead in math, which is sufficient to take calculus senior year. If the kids are motivated, there are absolutely options for advanced learning. I think they’ve gotten a good education and were able to be with kids from various backgrounds, races, religions, etc. The oldest is starting college soon and got into some competitive schools, as did many of the kids in his graduating class. Private school is not a requirement for a great college application.

    • Mel August 8, 2023 (2:58 pm)

      I’d love to hear from parents of current elementary advanced students. What your children experienced years ago is not the direction the district is going right now when it comes to HC and kids who are ahead. As is my understanding.

      • S August 8, 2023 (11:43 pm)

        I think it really has to do with who you get for a teacher. My kids have all qualified for advanced learning, not the highly capable program, just advanced. My oldest had a few teachers throughout elementary who gave her challenge work, but there isn’t much time for avanced learning instruction, so it usually took the form of adding 3 digit numbers while others worked on adding one or two digit numbers, for example. I’m seeing the same pattern with my younger two who are still in elementary. We have been fortunate to have great teachers who are experienced and my kids are happy, so that’s working. However, we made the switch to private when my oldest reached middle school and the difference in academics was very noticeable. She is now being given real challenges she has grown so much as a learner. I don’t regret being in public elementary school, it has been and continues to be a great community, but happy we made the switch for middle school.

  • Sarah August 8, 2023 (1:59 pm)

    I am so glad Leslie Harris and Song Maritz had this community meeting. I wish I could have attended. 

  • Admiral Mom August 9, 2023 (3:50 pm)

    I think the school board needs some fresh minds and hearts. The position is thankless and unsustainable. In my opinion Leslie Harris checked out a long time ago. I have watched her voting for years and I am honestly frustrated with the number of times she abstained from a vote. I want my school board director to take a position for or against decisively. Her constant swipes at SPS got old for me because at the end of the day the school board IS part of SPS and as such bears a lot of responsibility of the disfunction. 

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