UPDATE: Man shot and killed near Alki’s Whale Tail Park

6:38 PM: Police and fire are arriving at Alki for a report of a man shot in the chest. The location has changed a few times on the SFD log – somewhere between 57th and 60th. They’re still looking for the victim but officers have told dispatch they’ve found a car, with blood in it, at Lander and Marine. Updates to come.

6:45 PM: They’ve found the victim and describe him as an “approximately 25-year-old man with a gunshot wound to the chest.” There’s reportedly a second injured person at a different scene.

6:49 PM: It’s very chaotic but responders have said they’ve only found one victim. That man is getting CPR and is with medics near 56th/Alki. Police are closing Alki Avenue from 56th to 57th “for a while.” No one is reported to be in custody so far.

6:58 PM: Added a reader photo. The victim is being taken to Harborview.

7:13 PM: We have a crew in the area. Alki is still taped off in the area.

To the east of this, police are going to block off traffic at Bonair, since they’re noting it’s difficult to turn drivers around at 55th.

7:43 PM: Commenters have noted that this happened in the Whale Tail Park vicinity – police are looking for evidence there:

This SUV nearby has bullet holes:

(Reader photo)

We’re still waiting to hear from the police PIO at the scene.

7:53 PM: After a tip, police have taken a suspect described as an armed juvenile into custody, but we don’t know yet if he’s believed to be a suspect in the shooting.

8:11 PM: The other vehicle reported to have been involved is being towed to SPD evidence processing:

A police officer is being treated nearby for some kind of minor injury.

8:22 PM: Alki Avenue will be reopened (as soon as TV crews move their cars), police say. The ongoing investigation will focus on the Whale Tail Park scene. We found this apparent bullet damage in a window nearby:

8:39 PM: SFD says the victim was still alive, in critical condition, when transported, and has an age update – “approximately 30.”

8:59 PM: Police say the victim has died. Meantime, Seattle Parks is going to close Alki for the night and police are going to start telling people to leave. (added – David Hutchinson‘s video of police announcing the closure:)

9:28 PM: We’re going to upload and add video of the media briefing with Det. Judinna Gulpan but the only additional detail was that first word of the shooting came from a Parking Enforcement Officer who happened to see it, and that they believe the victim was driven from the shooting scene by Whale Tail to the spot where medics and police found him on Alki Avenue. Otherwise, no comment on arrests, descriptions, circumstances. (added – here’s the video:)

10:09 PM: Police have just told dispatch that Alki is “pretty well cleared out.”

10:26 PM: For context, checking the archives, tonight’s victim is the first person shot at Alki since a shooting that injured two people last Halloween. This is the first deadly shooting at Alki since 22-year-old Tilorae Shepherd was killed in June 2021 (the suspect continues to await trial). However, this was the third deadly shooting in West Seattle in five weeks, after 20-year-old Ka’Don Brown was found dead April 8th on the Chief Sealth IHS campus, and 41-year-old Chad Anderson was found dead on 15th SW between Barton and Cambridge last Monday. No arrests reported in either of those cases. The SPD tipline for information on any of these cases, including tonight’s shooting death, is 206-233-5000.

ADDED 11:11 AM SUNDAY: Alki is open today as is Whale Tail Park, with people at both. The SPD mobile precinct and two KCSO Transit Police cars were parked at the beach.

MONDAY AFTERNOON: SPD says no arrests in this case yet – the juvenile-with-gun arrest mentioned above turned out to be unrelated. … Parks confirms they will close Alki early again throughout the summer, starting Memorial Day weekend – details as soon as later today. (We will have a separate followup with these updates and more.)

ADDED WEDNESDAY: Noting for the record, pending a separate story, that the victim was identified today as 25-year-old Davonte Sanchez.

295 Replies to "UPDATE: Man shot and killed near Alki's Whale Tail Park"

  • Julian May 13, 2023 (6:40 pm)

    I swear I heard gunshots outside of my Admiral Way residence… So sad… 

  • AK May 13, 2023 (6:44 pm)

    Saw several cop cars flying down California minutes ago and thought I’d check WSB…yikes!Hope the victim recovers. Sucks that this kind of stuff seems more common on Alki these days, especially during the warmer weather months.

  • Admiral May 13, 2023 (6:48 pm)

    Lots of sirens thus I figured something was up, thank you for the prompt answer.  

  • Bertha May 13, 2023 (6:49 pm)

    I was just outside like about 15 minutes ago and heard gunshots

  • SabrinaJoy May 13, 2023 (6:51 pm)

    Did they find the shooter?

    • WSB May 13, 2023 (7:05 pm)

      No, no one is reported in custody so far.

  • Denise May 13, 2023 (6:51 pm)

    I was just walking down there… it’s a little crazy and it’s only May!

  • Lucy May 13, 2023 (6:51 pm)

    Lots of sirens down her on Alki Ave.  think I’ll stay where I am and chill.  

  • NR May 13, 2023 (6:54 pm)

    I hit that exact spot on my normally jogging route. Getting beyond ridiculous… and he’s only 25?! Almost become immune to the daily sirens on Admiral. So sad. Hope he’s okay. 

  • alkidriver64 May 13, 2023 (6:55 pm)

    i was driving on alki, traffic was suuuuper backed up both directions— not sure if this was a result of the shooting or if it was just busy down there but the cops had to make their way down between the two lines each of parked cars and driving cars. it was super chaotic and scary. i turned off early to get out of it as many other people did and ended up having to drive up onto a curb on a hill to get out of the way of a fire truck. my heart goes out to the man who was shot, in broad daylight too. horrible.

  • Admiral May 13, 2023 (6:56 pm)

    56th at Alki is by the Beach Volleyball courts, scary was there earlier today with my daughter

    • WSB May 13, 2023 (7:05 pm)

      This appears to have happened closer to 59th. A ton of location confusion in the early reports but it’s settling down now.

      • Molly May 13, 2023 (7:10 pm)

        Which is where Whale Tail Playground is- a very, VERY common place for us to bring our kids out at 6/7pm at night to catch the sun going down at alki. It sucks that on any nice night we can’t be down there. 

      • alki_2008 May 13, 2023 (7:25 pm)

        Do you mean the shooting was closer to 59th?  Because the street closure and man down in the street is most certainly in between 56th and 57th.

        • WSB May 13, 2023 (7:34 pm)

          In the time since this was first reported, the location was changed multiple times. A police PIO is at the scene now so we’ll see what she says once she’s ready to deliver a statement/answer questions.

        • Tay May 13, 2023 (9:58 pm)

          He was shot in his car on 59th… then someone was trying to take him to get help in their car… I saw them drive up to a cop car between 56th&57th and then the cops pulled him out of the back of their car there to try to save him (Which is where the street ended up closing). So heartbreaking. 

      • TC May 13, 2023 (7:31 pm)

        59th and Stevens is where the suspect ran by me with the gun.

        • Alki May 14, 2023 (8:54 am)

          Please call the tip line.

      • Karlsnarl May 13, 2023 (8:33 pm)

        The police need to shut down the Alki “loop”, and bring back the big police van. Tried to ride my bike home around 7p.m. on a warm evening – heading north near Cactus restaurant – multiple large groups standing and completely blocking both the walking and bike paths. Had to ride in the street, avoiding the cars that were burnin’ rubber. I live on Puget Ridge – took twice as long to get home. Lame.

        • ?? May 14, 2023 (5:09 am)

           Bruh u being in traffic was not the problem here

  • AS May 13, 2023 (6:56 pm)

    We heard the shots up on Charlestown/52nd and sirens within minutes, then here on the blog. Was several shots, short pause and a few more 

  • Molly B May 13, 2023 (6:56 pm)

    Live on 60th and heard many pops that sounded further away probably more towards whale tail but heard cars with loud bass down my street and yelling. Was not sure what was going on. I hope the victim(s) are okay.

    • Molly B May 13, 2023 (7:14 pm)

      I heard the shots sporadically at 6:29pm 

  • CF May 13, 2023 (6:59 pm)

    I got some texts from my friends that live down by Alki, saying there was someone with a gun. Currently sending them a constant stream of messages waiting for more info.

  • AKK May 13, 2023 (7:02 pm)

    The shooting was at the whale tail playground near the sand box. My husband and our two daughters (age 2 and 4) were on the swings and witnessed the whole thing. Some guys leaving the beach got into an altercation. My family ran and hid and then made their way home safely thank god.

    • Tim May 13, 2023 (7:35 pm)

      Please share with the police while the information is fresh. Maybe it will prevent a future shooting, including a bystander.

    • Jennifer May 13, 2023 (7:39 pm)

      I am so sorry – hug your husband and those babies hard!  I can only imagine the fear he felt as the protector of those innocent babies! 

    • Spicy Eight Piece May 13, 2023 (7:55 pm)

      Please make sure and contact police immediately. You may be a crucial witness, speed is of the essence in a case where someone opens fire not in self defense, and calling now helps prevent your memories from becoming influenced by incoming information. I am glad you and your family made it home safely. I am sorry though that any of you, especially your children, had to experience this horrible, illegal behavior.

    • Cj May 13, 2023 (7:58 pm)

      If your husband saw what happened please have him talk to the police so they can get a description of the guy that was shooting.

      • AKK May 13, 2023 (8:17 pm)

        Hi all, yes he called the police as soon as he and the kids were out of harm’s way. It’s all very scary and extremely disturbing.

        • Tim D May 13, 2023 (9:45 pm)

          Thank you, so sorry you had to go through this. 

    • Lisa J May 13, 2023 (9:14 pm)

      I am so so sorry they had to witness all that!! We’re they the family that ran into my salon on 58th? My coworker said she had a family there. I am distraught. I was home.on 63rd and heard all the sirens and knew it was a bad scene.

  • Pete May 13, 2023 (7:05 pm)

    I’m at 60th and Stevens. I heard two or three shots and then another burst maybe thirty seconds later. Sounded like it was maybe from across the park at alki elementary.who on earth brings a gun to the beach? Absolutely ridiculous.

  • William May 13, 2023 (7:06 pm)

    Alki is total and complete trash. What a shame, because it’s got wonderful views and is beautiful. 

  • Tired May 13, 2023 (7:28 pm)

    Not sure if it related but there is a maroon Porsche SUV with a bullet hole in the driver side window across the street from whale tail park playground. A bullet went into the house the car was parked in front of and lucky the resident is ok. Talking with one of the neighbors they said there was blood in the car but no person.   

    • Alki-G May 13, 2023 (10:10 pm)

      This maroon Porsche suv was at Alki last Saturday, too. Last week the Porsche driver blocked Alki Ave by stopping his car in the westbound lane and playing music. He was out of the car and basically having a party of of his car in the middle of the road. For at least 10-15 minutes, possibly longer. Traffic was backed up as far as the eye could see. I’m SURE it’s the same car. The vibe at that moment LAST week was like something bad could happen in all that mess and we got off the street as fast as we could. So I’m not surprised at all to hear about what happened. 

      • LJ May 14, 2023 (8:31 am)

        It was the same car! Thought so!! My friend saw someone get outta that car with a gun last weekend!!! 😑 

      • Pdavis May 14, 2023 (10:05 am)

        I hope that he reported that car previously what it was blocking and acting antagonistic/bold.  All of us need to start getting protective of this neighborhood and we’re hoarding things like that. It’s great to leave and be safe but you also need to get it reported. That can be done online and it’s always good to get a license plate.Thank you for noticing that car relative to the shooting/murder and hopefully you are in contact with SPD about their observations you have made

  • TC May 13, 2023 (7:28 pm)

    On the way to see my daughter working at Blue Moon..8-9 shots rang out as we walked by the park. The shooter ran by me with gun flailing, trying to hide it in his shorts….gave cops a description and suspects direction.  This has me spun up beyond belief…families with strollers running away from the scene, terrified kids crying.  One small child ran up to my wife just looking for comfort because she was so terrified.  THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!!  Our bs policies in this city are the cause and if you arent voting these worthless people out of office them you’re contributing to the problem! ENOUGH!!!  Now my daughter has to find another job, not having her anywhere near this bs.  Awesome…

    • TC May 13, 2023 (7:34 pm)

      Btw- if anyone has a business in West Seattle that is looking for a hard working, loyal 17yr old to help them out, I have one that needs a new job!

      • 1994 May 13, 2023 (10:05 pm)

        Grocery stores are hiring.

      • Guy May 13, 2023 (10:30 pm)

        Luna Park restaurant is looking for staff.

    • Jennifer May 13, 2023 (7:42 pm)

      I am so sorry!  What a terrifying experience. 

    • Bk May 13, 2023 (8:01 pm)

      Mind sharing that description so we can keep an eye out?

    • Darlene May 13, 2023 (8:05 pm)

      How scary is this!!!  There are so many young children here.  I am sorry you went through this and happy no children were hit by bullets.   It would be a lie to say they were uninjured.  I am still hearing sirens and I am over on 57th and it’s after 8pm

      • WSB May 13, 2023 (8:38 pm)

        The sirens were because they sent another SFD unit to treat the officer with a minor injury.

    • TMM May 13, 2023 (8:34 pm)

      This is AMERICA. Not just Seattle. As for the ‘worthless people’ in this state you referenced, they just passed an assault rifle ban – one of only 10 states in the nation to do so. This is a gun problem. 

      • Alki-G May 13, 2023 (11:13 pm)

        100% spot on

      • Recovering Leftist May 14, 2023 (8:25 am)

        Guns are not any more legal or accessible than they were pre-pandemic, but there has been a dramatic rise of violence since 2020, particularly in Seattle. This can only be explained by the combination of a vast increase in anti-social behavior due to COVID lockdowns and de-policing / increased anti-cop sentiment occurring in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder. The 2nd amendment is not going away, and hand guns will always be legal. We still need to figure out how to stop all of these senseless shootings and restore civility and order even with the 2nd amendment in place.

        • CAM May 14, 2023 (10:31 am)

          You are ignoring the news from every other state in this country if you think this is a Seattle problem. It is a problem but has zero to do with specific policies being implemented in this state, county, or city. 

        • Nicole May 14, 2023 (11:29 am)

          Do you think having more cops will stop gun violence? Cops come after crimes happen, they can’t be everywhere all the time. 

          • Recovering Leftist May 14, 2023 (11:57 am)

            More cops around act as a deterrent which results in a reduction in crime. In particular, solving crimes and bringing perpetrators to justice is a major deterrent. However, this is very difficult when there aren’t enough cops. This phenomenon has been demonstrated in past studies, and the inverse, which is that reduced policing results in increased criminal behavior, is now playing out right in front of us here in Seattle.

          • Curious May 14, 2023 (2:40 pm)

            Which studies are you referring to?

          • Matt May 14, 2023 (3:24 pm)

            I rode my bike through the area a couple hours before this.  Saw at least 3, maybe 4, police SUVs.   More cops do not act as deterrents.  If that were the case then the Home Depot parking lot by the SW Precinct would be totally and completely crime-free.

          • Lulz May 14, 2023 (9:46 pm)

            I mean, touché 

      • Recovering Leftist May 16, 2023 (12:11 pm)

        Here are some of the studies you requested:

        1. “The effect of police on crime: New evidence from U.S. cities, 1960–2010” (2018) by Chalfin, Aaron, and Justin McCrary. They found that increased police presence has a statistically significant effect on reducing crime rates, including violent crimes and property crimes.
        2. “The Effect of Police on Crime: A Meta-Analysis” (2019) by David B. Wilson, Stephen A. McClure, and Cynthia M. Lum. This meta-analysis of multiple studies concluded that certain types of proactive policing, such as hot-spots policing, problem-oriented policing, and community-oriented policing, can effectively reduce crime rates.
        3. “More COPS, less crime” (2015) by Evans, William N., and Emily G. Owens. This study suggested that grants provided for additional police through the U.S. Department of Justice’s Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program led to a reduction in crime.
        4. “Hot Spots Policing and Crime Reduction: An Update of an Ongoing Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis” (2020) by Braga, Anthony A., and David L. Weisburd. This study indicated that focusing police resources on high-crime ‘hot spots’ can significantly reduce crime in those areas without displacing it to other areas.
    • Nicole May 14, 2023 (11:27 am)

      Hi! The people I voted for just sign some of the strictest gun laws in the country. What policies are you referring to? Go to another state and it won’t just be 1 casualty..

    • Josh May 15, 2023 (7:08 am)

      That darn Seattle City Council and Inslee really should be tried for how their failed policies caused the many high casualty massacres in Texas this past year.

  • Spicy Eight Piece May 13, 2023 (7:28 pm)

    I think it will really help the community if/when we find out the motivation. For instance, does the victim know the assailant or even have any idea why they were targeted? Was there are altercation between two parties whom were strangers to one another up to that point? Was the victim a totally random target? Doubtful, but absolutely possible. Stay safe everyone until we work through the backlog of those among us who refuse to live peacefully and within the law. I believe we are making progress, but clearly there is much more work to be done.

    • TC May 13, 2023 (7:35 pm)

      It was a drug deal, then a fight and gunfire…saw it all.

      • Oakley34 May 14, 2023 (6:16 am)

        I get you’re scared but your description doesn’t match other eyewitnesses. Don’t make stuff up and spread lies and rumor to fit your narrative.

        • TC May 14, 2023 (9:56 am)

          Were you there?  There was a group of guys that got into an altercation and then gunfire.  I gave the cops and exact ID of the person with the gun, where he was headed and a detailed description of the weapon.  No lies or fabrications How does an ID and description of what I saw happen fit a narrative?  You’re saying there wasn’t a fight or shooting?  I made it up in hopes of getting people to join my efforts to clean up our community and put more cops on our streets?Get a life troll

          • Rick May 14, 2023 (11:26 am)

            “Who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin’ eyes?” Always loved that quote.

          • Person May 14, 2023 (6:20 pm)

            I think it’s pretty clear your comment about it being a drug deal is what they are referring to. Did you hear someone mention drugs or see drugs being exchanged, or is this your assumption?

          • WS and proud May 14, 2023 (9:56 pm)

            This weird argument needs to be deconstructed. We have a witness stating that he saw a drug deal. Their getting pushback on that idea. Regardless, there was an altercation then gunfire. Why is the drug exchange the problem? What if it was Pokémon cards or knitted sweaters? If you live in any metropolitan city, you know what a drug deal looks like. The witness may have seen a Pokémon card exchange devolve into gunfire, but that’s highly unlikely. The mention of drugs is triggering some emotional response, but why? To note, there has been an ongoing drug problem countrywide related to methamphetamines an fentanyl. 

    • Roddy3 May 13, 2023 (7:42 pm)

      I don’t think any of that makes one bit of difference. Guy with a gun shoots another at a playground occupied by kids and families on a beautiful sunny day. Who cares why it happened? It happened and it has to stop. 

      • Spicy Eight Piece May 13, 2023 (8:00 pm)

        Like I am trying to justify it as being all right??? I assure you, a person actively driving through West Seattle shooting at truly random individuals for targets is indeed actually more terrifying and more of an imminent threat, but that is NOT to say that this event, as it happened, wasn’t also terrifying. 

      • Darryll May 14, 2023 (1:20 pm)

        Exactly. Antisocial behavior is on the rise because there are no longer any consequences and no clear authorities. Now interpersonal violence is filling that void very quickly. We need more cops soon so this type of behavior doesn’t become fully normalized in our society. And banning guns does nothing to address the underlying issues driving this surge in violence. But it definitely will ensure the worst of the worst will become more aggressive and dangerous to the majority. 

    • Fellow neighbor May 13, 2023 (7:53 pm)

      And we need more mind frames such as this. I agree. Knowing details matters and it happens everywhere unfortunately. We can’t live in fear, but rather remain aware, look out for each other and try to help each other do better. Having conversations about solutions can’t hurt. Complaining without solutions may not be the most productive way to go about it. Stay safe everyone.

      • Another neighbor May 13, 2023 (9:54 pm)

        Generally most gun crime isn’t random but facts like that are important to know for community comfort. Along with what cities they live in and how little bond is come Monday. I doubt the kids first known crime was murder.

        • Rob May 14, 2023 (2:30 am)

          Most gun crime is random, and of course your speculation about the history of your shooter is also just that…..speculation. And while this was not a “mass shooting”,  the recent rash of mass shootings further underscores the gun fetish issue Americans seem to have. 

  • Neighbor May 13, 2023 (7:28 pm)

    3 gunshots at 6:28PM near whale tail park

    • AKK May 13, 2023 (7:49 pm)

      Yes there was a fight first and one guy was punched and knocked his head on the log next to the Whale Tail sandbox, then the scuffle moved out onto the street (SW Lander and Marine) right in front of the Whale Tail which is when the gun came out.

  • Scubafrog May 13, 2023 (7:39 pm)

    My heart goes out, and I hope the victim survives.  I’m glad no bystanders were hit, unless the victim was a bystander – also, I’m grateful for the fast response time by SPD and Fire Dept.  Stay safe.

  • Scene of the crime May 13, 2023 (7:48 pm)

    It all started with verbal altercations between two groups of people day drinking and partying at Whale Tale Park. Eventually guns were drawn and shot at car that was leaving towards Alki Ave. Man shot stopped car with chest wounds and gunman took off towards the beach.  Bullet holes in houses near by and police were scouring the park for shell casings when I walked by with my dog. Sad that  I made a comment to my wife during the Kraken Game of how crazy it was on the beach and wouldn’t be surprised if something happened. :(  I’m glad no one innocent was shot and thank goodness the police were able to get the shooter.  

    • whattheheck May 13, 2023 (8:21 pm)

      Sounds like someone innocent was shot if someone was DRIVING AWAY from the scene when they were shot. People fight – leaving the scene is the right thing to do. Not something to get shot over.

    • Alki-G May 13, 2023 (10:15 pm)

      This maroon Porsche suv was at Alki last Saturday, too. Last week the Porsche driver blocked Alki Ave by stopping his car in the westbound lane and playing music. He was out of the car and basically having a party of of his car in the middle of the road. For at least 10-15 minutes, possibly longer. Traffic was backed up as far as the eye could see. I’m SURE it’s the same car. The vibe at that moment LAST week was like something bad could happen in all that mess and we got off the street as fast as we could. So I’m not surprised at all to hear about what happened. 

    • Ly May 14, 2023 (2:28 am)

      Always avoided Alki during the summer months. Such a shame it’s like this. Beautiful area and we like Whale Tail but having to worry about shootings… not worth it. I’m so sorry for the families that had to flee for their lives this evening. I had to do the same with a shooting downtown Seattle three years ago and I know that terror. 

    • susie May 15, 2023 (3:01 pm)

      @Scene of the crime, “day drinking” or night drinking there is no difference you can get drunk no matter if its light out or dark. 

  • Lucky Duck May 13, 2023 (7:49 pm)

    Luckily leaving at the time of the shooting.  What a horrible thing on such a beautiful day.  Alki has been getting trashier and more sketchy lately.  Such a shame.

    • Derek May 13, 2023 (8:08 pm)

      Leave it to people here to dogwhistle an outlier event at Alki. It’s largely safe and fine. This is terrible but people need to get a grip—it doesn’t make Alki “trashy.” 

  • DeadEnder May 13, 2023 (7:52 pm)

    There must’ve been a fusillade, as this sounded like firecrackers. Too fast for a single weapon. And this happens within 100 yards of my bedroom. Here I thought it was firecrackers for our neighbor’s 100th Birthday party. But, queue the sirens.Just saw 30 or so motorcycles slide down Admiral Way. Hoping for a quiet night.Cheers.

    • Rick May 14, 2023 (11:30 am)

      Happy birthday! At least you got another one. Cheers back atcha.

  • Maybe no more Seattle May 13, 2023 (7:56 pm)

    We were up the street even it happened. Saw ppl running after one another near the park then shots. We ran with our stroller fast and dipped into a random store to wait it out. Maybe west Seattle isn’t that safe

    • 55th May 13, 2023 (8:35 pm)

      Sadly this happens usually every year on Alki at the beginning of summer, as well as a flipped car or two. Praying for this young man who may have lost his life, and so horrible the shooter was supposedly just a teen, a mistake that will haunt him forever. 

      • Ly May 14, 2023 (2:31 am)

        Yeah but this time near a playground. It’s out of control. SMH.most times it’s happened near or outside a bar. This time it’s just too scary. What if a kid got shot. 

  • H20K9 May 13, 2023 (7:57 pm)

    Saturday night is ALWAYS busy on Alki during warm weather. Was there a police presence in place for the busy Summer weekend, you know, before the crowds build?

    • alki_2008 May 13, 2023 (11:58 pm)

      Yes. There was a mobile precint van on Alki Ave. Probably why the fighting and shooting didn’t happen ON Alki Ave, but instead a couple blocks away. The victim was then driven to those police by someone (probably a friend?) to get medical care.

  • West S 4000 May 13, 2023 (8:05 pm)

    Saw the cop arrest a guy and they had weapon in evidence bag at 47th and admiral.

    • WSB May 13, 2023 (8:38 pm)

      As noted above. We don’t know yet if he is a suspect in this.

  • Alki resident May 13, 2023 (8:12 pm)

    I was at Whale Tail at 5:30pm with my 6mo and 2 year old. There were trashy looking adults hanging around without kids. Plus other teens/20-something’s rolling joints at the park.Sadly, the busiest days do not feel safe. Too rough a crowd. I don’t remember it this way 5+ years ago. Maybe I tolerate it less with kids.We’re talking about AirBNBing out our house and moving away.

    • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (12:00 am)

      You’d be better off renting it to long-term tenants. You’re more likely to get party-crowd tenants renting it via AirBnB during the summer, and have a lot of vacancy during the winter. Get long-term tenants that will provide year-round rental income and would be less likely to destroy the place with wild parties.

    • Oakley34 May 14, 2023 (6:18 am)

      “Trashy looking”… please elaborate…

      • Recovering Leftist May 14, 2023 (10:21 am)

        “Trashy-looking” probably means the “day-drinking, getting into fights and shooting each other next to a playground” set

  • AlkiResident May 13, 2023 (8:24 pm)

    Was trying to get home through the mess. Cop moved a cone for me to get back to my house and when I asked what happened he said “Homicide”. I’m guessing the victim didn’t make it and the news hadn’t made It to the blog yet. 

    • WSB May 13, 2023 (8:35 pm)

      We don’t have an official update on the man’s condition (the media unit rep was speaking with the detectives at last report, our crew and the rest of the media there is standing by) yet BUT please note that homicide detectives respond to non-fatal incidents as well. SFD just told me the victim was still alive – assessed in critical condition – when transported (and their info ends when they hand off the patient) – they also say his age was closer to 30 – TR

      • WSB May 13, 2023 (9:00 pm)

        That said – police just told us the victim did indeed die and that he was 28.

  • whattheheck May 13, 2023 (8:25 pm)

    I left Alki 6 years ago and the day before I left I was looking for bullet holes in  my car from a shooting the night before. This isn’t new,  people. That said, it’s a pretty ominous start to what is going to be a long, hot summer.Really sad it happened at The Whale Tail which is a kiddie park for goodness sakes. A spot with playground equipment for like kids 2-5 years old. I’ve seen people partying at the beach before, but not at the Whale Tail kiddie park. That’s a new one for me and so fricken sad.

    • anon May 13, 2023 (8:50 pm)

      if you’re referencing the may 2017 shooting – that was ominous. i was on Alki (sand) and then walked to my car (near pepperdock), the whole vibe changed in a split second. Before I could even turn my car on, people we running. Young guy was shot in the bike lane by Top Pot. He bled out right there. Based on witness accounts here, sounds like a similar air was circulating. You knew something bad was about to happen in 2017 – and bam. Awful, I moved off the beach 2 years ago. 

      • Rick May 14, 2023 (11:37 am)

        I lived on 58th and Alki in the mid 70’s and then across from Anchor Park in the late 70’s-90’s. Great times, but then the bridge got built and we got “Discovered”. Or am I just getting old? Oh well….

  • AdmiralResident May 13, 2023 (8:40 pm)

    This breaks my heart, I’m just relieved no innocent bystanders were hurt. We shouldn’t have to be worried about gunfire anywhere but especially in parks with young children present. This could happen anywhere these days which is so sad. 

  • Hm May 13, 2023 (8:50 pm)

    We were playing on the tennis courts not even 5minutes before the gunshots rang out. Heard an altercation and then 5 gunshots followed by another 3. We didn’t see the altercation as it was behind bushes. A very scary ending to a beautiful day at Alki.

  • Lala May 13, 2023 (8:53 pm)

    This is ridiculous and embarrassing. There’s families out enjoying the sun and people always have to ruin it. When the sun comes out the guns come out. I hate it here and it’s why I never go out now a days. 

    • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (12:09 am)

      Guns come out because people that carry guns and have no qualms about using those guns come to Alki on sunny days. These weren’t Alki residents suddenly deciding to fight/shoot each other because of the sun or heat. Alki Beach is a destination and a lot of people from all over Puget Sound will come here on “beach weather” days. Alki residents should understand this and realize that sometimes you have to be more vigilant than usual about what’s happening around you. Walk away from areas when you see big crowds ‘facing off’ with others and when people are arguing/yelling at each other. You can’t control other people, but you can at least try to avoid getting caught in their disaster. Doesn’t help for those minding their own business inside their homes though, so not going out isn’t a sure fire solution either.

  • JH May 13, 2023 (8:56 pm)

    I was driving on Alki near the Whale Tail Park and heard 3 gunshots. Then a lot of action of people on foot running in several directions. Then a white mid size SUV with their window rolled down was cutting off the car in front of me yelling out of his driver side window to people across the street and sticking out his tongue in a strange way which is what made me pause and notice him. He took off. Then a small white car got in-front of me on Alki and was driving with their hazard lights in and very slow. When they pulled off the road passing Blue Moon I noticed the man in the back seat was getting chest compressions by someone else that was in the vehicle: as their passenger backseat door was open when I drove by. Then all of the police showed up. This we chaos being right there seeing the amount of people running and crossing streets. I hope they find the shooter.

    • Rhonda May 13, 2023 (11:08 pm)

      PLEASE relay anything you witnessed to SPD.

    • whattheheck May 13, 2023 (11:34 pm)

      What a difficult thing to witness and process, JH. Virtual hugs.

  • Alki resident May 13, 2023 (9:17 pm)

    Sick and tired of the village idiots coming to our area and causing problems which in return sets more rules, curfews for the rest of us trying to enjoy a nice day off on the beach. 

  • AlkiGirl May 13, 2023 (9:25 pm)

    We need more police presence down here. The winters are amazing, no bad people around and we can enjoy. We don’t even try to go down on weekend nights. Not sure where the people come from but they are not the type of people that should be around. It makes me feel unsafe, especially with my family. 

    • Paul May 13, 2023 (10:21 pm)

      Yeah, Alki needs way more police presence on busy days. Laws are no good if not enforced. It’s clearly dangerous and out of control. Only other answer is to close Alki beach park altogether. Enough is enough, if we don’t wake up when someone gets shot and killed at a kids playground when will we?

    • Ly May 14, 2023 (2:41 am)

      Plus one to this. Also to the people here saying guns are not to blame and that similar violence can happen with knives, bla bla bla…sure. But me and my kids and nearby families hanging out at Whale Tail would be more likely hit by stray bullets, not stray knives or bats. What , you can’t understand something that simple?

      • Jon May 14, 2023 (10:31 am)

        Hi, Ly. I work in the firearms industry as an instructor. These violent recidivists aren’t going through the legal process to acquire these guns; they aren’t even eligible in most cases, due to prior violent criminal acts, being under-aged, et cetera. You aren’t going to stop it by restricting the rights of your neighbors (and yourself, your kids, or your grandkids). They aren’t pharmacists, either, but they acquire and sell drugs at that same park. Seattle voters routinely vote for policies and leaders creating more of this sort of environment. You get the government you elect and you get the policies you support. If you want to reduce violence, you need to look at the violent crime statistics, realize that it’s a small group of extremely violent, antisocial recidivists, punish them accordingly, and then take steps to ensure that more aren’t bred out of the same conditions. Most of us who own firearms do so to defend ourselves from violent encounters; some of us after experiencing violence, first hand (myself included). We are not giving up those rights.

        • Jethro Marx May 14, 2023 (6:17 pm)

          The fact that you think some form of government, local or otherwise, could both ‘punish accordingly’ the criminals you describe obtusely as recidivists and also do some kind of sensitive population breeding control marks you as a magical thinker. Of course, that could lean toward a bizarre optimism about government, some real racist tendencies, or some unknown bent; which is it? Who are these voters who will vote in officials who punish wrongdoers while also investing in the communities they originate in? Why are there so many coded comments here about types of people and different cities?

          • WS and proud May 14, 2023 (10:11 pm)

            I want to push on this dialogue. On person says “recidivist” with anti-social tendencies. The other argues veiled racism. I acknowledge racism’s role in disproportionate probability of being a victim of violence (among other disadvantages). Gun ownership is endemic across all socioeconomic and racial divides. Also is mental health issues. What might be a productive solution that addresses the plight of racism, mental health and guns? What could have prevented this shooting?

        • Felix Grounds May 15, 2023 (12:18 am)

          “THE FIREARMS INDUSTRY”Flooding our country with firearms.There are SO MANY guns out there, all produced by “the firearms industry”Maybe there are enough guns, maybe we don’t need any more guns.Maybe “the firearms industry” should grow a conscience and stop making guns.The old “criminals don’t acquire their guns legally” argument is stupid.Who cares how they get them?And they’ll keep getting them, because “the firearms industry” will continue to flood our country with guns.

        • William May 15, 2023 (9:49 am)

          Jon – This is all just circular logic, and terrible logic at that…You advocate for easily accessible firearms because you need to defend yourself from bad guys who acquire firearms, but bad guys are only able to acquire firearms because firearms are easily accessible period – legally, illegally or otherwise. I’ve purchased pineapples from the PCC which have more intelligent arguments than this. It’s long past time we cease placating and coddling this kind of malignant ignorance, stupidity and insanity for the very few at the expense of the many. It’s critically important for you to understand, Jon, that your right to own a gun isn’t more important or more valuable than the life of an innocent person that may be taken as an unintended, negative consequence of that right. Freedom, Jon, is being able to take your children to the beach without any fear at all whatsoever that they may take a bullet in the jugular, and bleed out into the sand while on a playground. I honestly can’t imagine a more uncivilized, dystopian and horrible place to be than one whose people “live” in such abject fear and anxiety that they feel desperately compelled to arm themselves with a plethora of deadly weapons at all times. That this is what you’re advocating for certainly isn’t freedom, Jon, and it’s not creating a safer and more comfortable place to live; it’s only creating the opposite, and it’s a disgustingly selfish and pathetically shameful absurdity that should be loudly shunned for all time. The rest of the civilized world is aghast.  

  • West Seattle Resident May 13, 2023 (9:42 pm)

    Completely agree with Alki girl. I was driving back to Junction from my friend who lives on Alki and there were hundreds of people there twerking in the intersection, purposfully blocking the intersection. There was a girl with a huge bottle of Skye vodka who looked like a juvenile, ran in front of my car waving it around. 3 other girls who also appeared underage and intoxicated stumbled in front of my car- luckily I was going like 5 mph, but the fact of the matter is this is absolutely disgusting behavior and for it to also be done where someone was shot 2 hours prior is sickening. I am glad they are shutting it down early or I am sad to say I wouldn’t be surprised if another fight would have broken out where these people are too quick to pull a trigger these day. So sad and I felt completely unsafe even driving past that part of the beach (58th Ave). I know SPD is doing what they can with the unfortunate politics that surround this city but there needs to be more enforcement on this congregation of juveniles openly drinking and acting belligerent. It was a mini version of Chicago over there. My friends kid plays at that park all the time too. Very said and RIP. 

    • North Delridge May 13, 2023 (10:47 pm)

      So much thinly veiled racism here to unpack.  Did you by chance have one of those “in this house we believe…” signs a few years ago?

      • Oakley34 May 14, 2023 (6:22 am)

        Seriously.  “A mini version of Chicago” … check yourself West Seattle. 

      • Huh May 14, 2023 (6:42 am)

        How are the world did you get ‘ thinly veiled racism’ from that? 

      • James May 14, 2023 (7:38 am)

        Unless you commented on the wrong post, there is no racism here. It’s a description of what they saw. Calm down with your white knighting

      • 937 May 14, 2023 (8:27 am)


        Why did you have to make this about race? Someone is DEAD. Another kid took his life. It is a HUGE tragedy – and you make it about race??

        Do better.

      • ToneItDown May 14, 2023 (8:31 am)

        The only way you get racism out of that is if you are looking for it. Tone down the rhetoric and try to find common ground. Only working together can we find solutions. Just pointing out problems is beneath you. Chicago has for many years been plagued by gun violence. Anyone can twerk and drink vodka. This behavior doesn’t define one race. What I heard the poster saying was young, drunk people who are acting out are a problem at Alki. Surely you agree they do not add to a safe, family atmosphere.

      • Darryll May 14, 2023 (1:44 pm)

        Thinly veiled racism. Interesting that you got this from that post. Where on earth is races mentioned anywhere? Maybe check yourself in the mirror. 

      • NB May 15, 2023 (6:25 am)

        If you think this is racism, then it sounds like you’re the issue. OP described behaviors and you attached a race to it. Maybe you should re-evaluate yourself. 

        • Rick May 15, 2023 (12:43 pm)


    • Brian May 14, 2023 (7:28 am)

      I gotta know what a “mini version of Chicago” even means in this context. Please say more. 

    • Mmarie May 14, 2023 (9:16 am)

      Like Chicago? What do you mean by that? 

    • HS May 14, 2023 (9:29 am)

      Aside from the suspected underage drinking, there was a scheduled ‘silent disco’ in that area. Perhaps that is what you witnessed?

      • J Wilder May 15, 2023 (8:29 am)

        Was at the silent disco for a couple hours. No twerking there and no drinking. Just sayin….

        • West Seattle Resident May 15, 2023 (10:09 pm)

          Yeah – It looked separate from any of the usual summer events I’ve seen on the beach; just a lot of random groups of young adult/juveniles congregating w open containers and acting lawless and volatile. 8:30 pm @ 58th Ave area and intersection. Prius in front of me got the same view.Just wanted to get out of there ASAP. I’m all for a good time, but that was completely out of hand and brewing trouble, especially with the tragedy 2 hours prior. Luckily SPD was pulling up to shut down the entrances to the beach when I was leaving onto admiral.

    • Mariem May 14, 2023 (10:01 am)

      What is meant by mini- version of Chicago? 

  • Rocky Bullwinkle May 13, 2023 (10:00 pm)

    Yes, a bigger police presence on Alki whenever the temp is higher than 70 is needed. We also need much tougher laws that allow police to be proactive and preemptive. “Stop and frisk” and the use of license plate readers to identify car owners and pullover any who are known gang members, drug dealers, or of that ilk. Draconian? Maybe but people are getting shot and killed down there every year.

  • Admiral May 13, 2023 (10:01 pm)

    Dang it whale Tail Park is where little kids play, I hope the perp is caught, charged, convicted and then spends the rest of their life behind bars.

  • Alkiliving1 May 13, 2023 (10:37 pm)

    Maybe this is a stupid suggestion but I think we need some kind of toll or entry fee to West Seattle for anyone who isn’t a resident. Residents have some kind of tag and anyone who isn’t from here has to pay to enter and then they can act like civilized human beings. The paid fee could go back into parks and rec funds. This shouldn’t be happening near a playground where babies and children were playing all day, shouldn’t be happening at all!Rip to the victim.

    • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (1:02 am)

      Exactly! And doesn’t sound silly at all, that is exactly how beach communities throughout California and other states do it! 

      • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (10:56 pm)

        What beach communities “throughout California” have entry fees?  None of the beaches I’ve been to there have that. They have fees for using the parking lot, but you can also park on public streets and walk to the beach without paying any fees.

      • Rhonda May 15, 2023 (1:00 pm)

        I spent a quarter century in Southern California and NO beach communities charge an entry fee. 

    • my two cents May 14, 2023 (2:17 am)

      @alkiliving1 great idea! Ballard can charge for fees to offset impact to Nordic heritage … Seward Park can charge a fee to offset whatever … or do you want to have tolls/access fees for every area in the city that causes an issue?

    • jeff May 14, 2023 (8:06 am)

      Just NO to this idea. Everyone deserves the beach and great views. Not the rich who live here.

    • AlkiGuy May 14, 2023 (8:40 am)

      Tons of coastal towns on the east coast require beach tags that have be displayed on chairs, swim trunks, etc.as you enter the beach. The towns will typically employ local teenagers to check upon entry and then have additional enforcement on foot at the beach. Not nearly as radical as what you’re proposing but something this small would go a long way + bring in revenue + employee some of our youth during summer months.

      • WS Res May 15, 2023 (8:37 pm)

        We own the coastline, we the collective “we.” No one has the right to block it off or charge for access to it. And let’s be clear, privatizing beaches is just another way to be racist and classist.

    • Jon May 14, 2023 (10:16 am)

      Yeah, I’m sure the violent recidivists – who broke every law in the state to get their gun; were drinking in public while operating vehicles (allegedly under-aged); were willing to kill someone over an argument (apparently) – are really going to care about a mandatory fee and Beach Regulation Laws. Great ideas!

    • aa May 14, 2023 (10:45 am)

      Alki Livings is 1. making the assumption that the criminals are not residents of West Seattle. 2 forgetting that they do not own the public space in West Seattle and has NO RIGHT to dictate who comes and goes and 3. Is naive enough to think crime would stop if only West Seattle residents were allowed to move about the area..That is thinly veiled racism.

      • Josh May 15, 2023 (7:30 am)

        You can actually go and look at the primary residences of those involved in shootings on Alki.  The last guy that got murdered and the guy that murdered him were from Burien  and southward respectively. 

    • CAM May 14, 2023 (10:46 am)

      You don’t live in a gated community and your perspective that you can stop anyone from coming to any part of Seattle is like some kind of 1984 nonsense. 

    • Felix Grounds May 15, 2023 (12:29 am)

      Boy, that idea doesn’t sound HORRENDOUSLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL at all.

    • oldSwedeFellInLoveWithALatino May 15, 2023 (1:42 am)

      Cameras that can read licence plates and send a bill already exists everywhere, even in Seattle, why should this be unconstitutional? Check out London also with the Low Emission Zone. Even by European standards (GDPR) this would be allowed since it serves public interest (preventing noise and air pollution, reading stats about how many cars go in and out, enforcing law when needed).

  • Alki mom May 13, 2023 (10:49 pm)

    A lot of people come to Alki when it’s nice out to get wasted and be seen by other wasted people. Fights are common. It would help to remove all parking along the actual park, meters elsewhere on Alki Ave, and zone the residential streets. This would help keep the numbers down a little. It was NUTS out there today. The vibe at 10am was already aggressive, angry, and drunk. 

    • Alkilocal May 14, 2023 (8:11 am)

      Alki mom- I concur; I hear you and agree.i am a rare born and raised Alki resident. So many others don’t remember the phases of changes at Alki. But this is the most dangerous and crazy making I have ever remembered.  Drag racing; going 80+ on alki ave; gangs; drugs; shootings…it has gotten out of control since 2018 and has gotten worse since 2019 when anything was allowed.  Word has gotten out that Alki is free for mayhem.  Friday and Saturday – yesterday especially was something super ridiculous.   There is a wise plan us locals have- stay away from May till sept anytime after 12. For our sanity,  which always seems unfair.  but now it’s worse. It’s a shame our local community and families can’t enjoy our area in the warm weather due to out of towners. 

    • Roddy3 May 14, 2023 (3:10 pm)

      @Alki mom, or maybe just ban all cars (except for residents, who would have a sticker) altogether on Alki and its surrounding streets? Block Alki at both ends and put up the residents only parking signs and immediately tow any cars without stickers on all the surrounding streets. West Side residents could take a bus to the beach (maybe create a special shuttle?). After a couple of months of cars being towed/pulled over, I would think these idiots might get the message and find another place to shoot their precious guns. I would think the towing companies would love the business. At the very least ,the criminals couldn’t get away so easily on foot. Anyway, just a thought. 

  • ALki Resident May 13, 2023 (10:55 pm)

    Everyone needs to call the non emergency police phone number and demand more police presence on Alki. We need to let our concerns be known before anything can change. I called! We need everyone who lives and plays on Alki to call as well. No more all night parties and drag racing on Alki till wee morning hours. I’m  praying for change, and a positive beautiful peaceful Alki Beach in our future.

    • Jim Derewl May 14, 2023 (12:41 am)

      Yeah, this happened before 7 PM. Not as some party at 2AM. The last shooting on Alki was on Halloween night, when no one was on the beach and before 9 PM… you’re clutching your pearls while using a homicide to push your agenda to change the neighborhood to your liking. Alki is as dangerous dangerous at 5 PM on a Saturday as it is at 3 AM, if not more. When’s the last time you were even out on Alki past 11PM? 

    • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (12:54 am)

      Agreed completely!!!

    • rose May 14, 2023 (8:24 am)

      There were plenty of police there and this still happened. More and more police presence will not deter gun violence. 

  • MB May 13, 2023 (11:11 pm)

    My kids and I were on the whale tail field walking to my car in the alki elementary parking lot and stopped to take a picture.  A gentleman, his daughter and dog passed us heading towards alki and made small talk about sharing the same name as my son.My kids and I were laying in the grass about to take a picture and heard the gun shots and the gentleman yelled to us to get up and run.  We all sprinted and I asked if we could get in his car as mine was parked in a spot I didn’t feel safe getting to with my kids.  We stayed in his car for a few minutes and during this time saw a man run across the field and onto the play area looking frantic and what seemed like for a place to hide.  After the person running took took off the gentlemen helped get my kids and I safely into my car and out of the lot as police were swarming.  This gentleman was a light in a scary situation and helped my kids and i immensely.  If you are him please feel free to email me so I can extend my gratitude and thanks to you for today.  Thank you beyond words! 

  • Christie May 13, 2023 (11:21 pm)

    That wa my family member. I amheart broken. 

    • WSB May 14, 2023 (1:05 am)

      We are so sorry to hear that. Please let us know if/when there is anything to share with the community – TR

    • Lauren May 14, 2023 (5:07 am)

      Christie, I am so, so sorry for your family’s loss.

    • whattheheck May 14, 2023 (9:38 am)

      Bless you, Christie. May you find peace.

    • Jon May 14, 2023 (10:13 am)

      I hope they catch this killer and throw the book at them. Sorry for your family’s loss. Absolutely awful.

    • Compassionate Neighbor May 14, 2023 (11:36 pm)

      You and yours are in our thoughts and prayers. Deepest sympathy on your heartbreaking loss. 

  • Guy Olson May 14, 2023 (12:08 am)

    RIP to the gunshot victim, what a terrible way to go. 

  • Buncake May 14, 2023 (12:15 am)

    People be acting suspiciously already ducking in and out of cars looking like gang/drug activities with intimidating nature. A lot of people aren’t even from the ws area they’re just around alki flexing asking for trouble with people.. And that’s attracting more bad news.young gang members and idiots with guns. Stop the violence get a job have some respect. Prison isn’t worth it my uncle spent 30 years locked up for stuff he did as a teenager and in prison he got more time defending himself in fights. The torment he delt with is not glamorous and nobody there thought it was cool they don’t care your just a number. Please stop senseless violence it goes nowhere. There’s more rewards in life being kind and having respect and helping the community.. Although that can be a challenge for the youth because they are lazy and don’t think that’s cool. Just remember if you want to live in a slum where your life isn’t worth a dime you got a messed up sense of life. These times the young adults need opportunities and education.. Not guns,violence, and zero direction.. Don’t you see this as a cry for help why would a whole generation be acting up like this. Too many problems no solution. Seattle should be a safe place to live not a safe place for crime and violence.. Peace love and respect

    • K May 14, 2023 (7:42 am)

      Buncake,Thank you for saying this. I teach middle school. I am working so hard—harder than ever—to get my students to visualize kindness and de-escalation. Your words ring so true. 

    • TM May 14, 2023 (8:00 am)

      ”Seattle should be a safe place to live not a safe place for crime and violence.”. Lots of wisdom in this whole comment. This sentence sums up the current condition. 

  • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (12:18 am)

    Whale Tail Park is the same place where a fight/argument turned into gunfire about 10 years ago. Why do people that are too old for playground equipment hanging out there instead of on the beach? Maybe it’s because the police are setup on Alki Ave and they want to avoid being where the police are. HHmmm.

    People want to blame guns (assault-style rifles were not involved here) or blame politicians, but we need to place the blame on the people doing the shooting. Let’s be realistic here. If they didn’t have guns, then they would’ve used knives and stabbed the other person, or used a baseball bat and beat the other person with it. Violence is not how people should resolve arguments. Conflict resolution or just ‘turning the other cheek’ needs to be something people understand and learn to do. Fighting or shooting someone because they somehow ‘disrepected’ you is not how society progresses.

    • Ferns May 14, 2023 (2:00 am)

      You raise some valid points but skip over the fact that guns are a deadlier weapon. They are easy to use if you have at least one working hand and do not require the physical strength and stamina to murder someone by other methods like baseball bat or knife. Bystanders to the altercation can easily be murdered in a second with the squeeze of a finger. and property damage is common to homes and vehicles from shooting scenes. Guns are different. They are uniquely, effectively deadly and destructive. It’s what they were designed to do. Automatic or not. And there are too many of them in this country being used as weapons in altercations because there are too many of them. Australia did something about their gun problem. 

    • Lauren May 14, 2023 (5:05 am)

      You can’t kill someone with a knife as they’re driving away. It’s the guns. 

      • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:11 pm)

        Typical, you are missing the point. You are focusing on the weapon, instead of focusing on the violent behavior and lack of self-control of people. You have neighbors that carry concealed guns everyday, but you don’t know it because they are responsible gun owners and understand anger management and never have to pull their guns from their holsters.

    • Morgan May 14, 2023 (7:20 am)

      Drive by baseball batting hit four innocent bystanders today….knife throwing randomly whittles doorway when set loose, scaring nearby home occupant. seriously, why is the first place you go gun control? Violence would still happen but there are many things that can be done to prevent crime in public spaces. More presence, more enforcement early when warning signs of trouble, curtailing intoxication in a playground, prosecution of other crimes…there’s a long list of things to work on. But widespread possession of hand guns that may be quickly brandishing and used in crowded public urban spaces isn’t a feature to rush to defend…

    • Lagartija Nick May 14, 2023 (8:35 am)

      Knives and baseball bats aren’t projectiles that can easily injure/kill bystanders. Doesn’t matter whether it was a handgun or an assault style rifle, dead is dead. Guns are the problem here.

      • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:13 pm)

        No, the problem are the violent people that have serious anger management issues.

        • Felix Grounds May 15, 2023 (12:47 am)

          Here, I fixed your statement for you.No, the problem are the violent people that have serious anger management issues, and easy access to firearms. 

    • Mmarie May 14, 2023 (9:13 am)

      Guns are way too easy for people to get. 

    • Char May 15, 2023 (9:17 am)

      I was there at the shooting at Whale Tail ten years ago. It was horrible, parents scooping up their children and running. We were one of them. We were too stupid and innocent to notice some older kids congregating at the park, looked like teenagers.  Someone else pointed them out to us with concern. As she did, what seemed like a good time quickly escalated into an argument. A gun came out in no time. A girl just whipped out a gun and started shooting (things were moving fast, in my recollection, it was a girl). I regard that as an act of evil on her part, a deep moral deficiency. At the same time she appeared to be a hot head with access to a gun. If she did not have a gun she would not have resorted to using it when she got mad. It was clearly anger that drove her to use it. Gun control can help prevent people with poor impulse control and no morals from killing people.  Unfortunately the perpetrator was not identified or arrested, to my knowledge (I kept checking this blog to see). She should have been put away for a long time and I hope she has not used her gun again. My heart goes out to the family affected by this killing. May his soul rest in peace. 

  • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (12:46 am)

    My son and I were walking by the park and then gun shots and we and other moms and small children ran for our lives. This has to stop! We have to have a beach ranger presence with stricter beach rules. Make parking harder for visitors, make the Alki bike trail harder to crowd, get serious about beach closure times, have ranger tent stations every 200 ft seasonally for summer. It will be worth the tax payer investment. WS city council needs to make major upgrades to this public access beach/community. People can bus in easily and bike in. We need to make it challenging for out of town criminals to come here to sell drugs, get in fights and shoot each other. I still have  nightmares of tilloraes cries while dying,  ‘im shot, I’m dying, I’m bleeding help” while a woman screamed and weeped. Not this while my son and I are literally at the park, absolutely ridiculous we aren’t taking proactive steps to protect our community and make necessary changes to create safe beaches here in Alki. How many more deaths does it take before we finally do something?!? 

    • R May 14, 2023 (7:14 am)

      This is a ridiculous, dramatic idea and, while it may prevent an occasional drug-related shooting, it would absolutely kill business in the Alki area. We need visitors in the summer. We want the crowds and, to an extent, the chaos. Not to mention, the shooting did not occur on the beach, so I have no idea why you’re suggesting so many regulations for the beach area of Alki. Nobody wants the stress of a dozen rangers watching over them while they’re trying to relax. Your ideas are great safety measures if that is the only thing that you value. It will tank the area. Not everything has to go through the city, either. We as a local community should be the first to step up and protect ourselves, not rely on city measures, which would take weeks, months, or years anyways. 

      • Kathy May 14, 2023 (5:47 pm)

        R, do you have some proof or data that restricting car entry would kill business? There is only room for so many cars in the Alki neighborhood, yet buses can bring many more people in and out every half hour. Water Taxi and shuttle provide even more capacity. Add to that people biking and walking. People coming this way are much more likely to patronize the restaurants that car drivers bringing coolers full of food. On days like this weekend, the cars are often just circling around the neighborhood looking for non existant parking, or cruising to show off what their car can do, creating traffic, noise and pollution. We don’t need the chaos, to any extent. To have a planned event like the SUBPOP concert is one thing when there is active crowd control. These spontaneous over crowded drunken street parties cannot be controlled by anything other than limiting incoming traffic when an early season sunny weekend is expected. They did end up closing the street, but not proactively enough to prevent a tragedy like this.

      • oldSwedeFellInLoveWithALatino May 15, 2023 (1:46 am)

        LOL look at literally all pedestrianized cities in Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, France, Italy,… do you think they have less businesses than cities that allow cruising? Just compare the cities of Bordeaux and Seattle and see how much business  this generates: http://plazaperspective.com/lets-explore-bordeaux-france/  

    • Mike May 14, 2023 (7:37 am)

      We have to have a beach ranger presence with stricter beach rules.”These criminals would kill the ranger.  A park ranger is not going to slow or stop these people.

    • LJ May 14, 2023 (8:40 am)

      I am so sad sorry you were right there at that moment. I am also a resident and business owner on Alki. I can only imagine the horror in that moment. My friend is a Chupacabra employee. She was a mess yesterday.  I live by Cactus and was afraid to leave my house!!! I’m .manifesting for some sort of change for all of us!!!! Glad you are ok. I also understand the PTSD from this. Sending u healing hugs today and Happy Mothers Day!!

    • Anne May 14, 2023 (8:44 am)

      Where the heck is the city going to get enough “beach rangers” to man tents every 200 feet?woukd they be armed? What authority would they have & what could they do to prevent drug deals, hot tempers,? Parking is already hard for visitors. 

  • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (1:08 am)

    Let’s start a city council petition and demand proactive steps towards creating a safe space here at Alki beach! Changes must be made, it’s clear we are all scared and or concerned by all of this violence. 

    • B W May 14, 2023 (7:27 am)

      There will never be a “safe place” as long as idiot Americans are allowed to buy guns and carry them around at will.  Other developed countries do not have this problem, so strange.But we sure love our guns, don’t we?!  Makes me feel so safe to have the 2nd amendment.

      • NB May 15, 2023 (6:29 am)

        Let’s be honest, these people aren’t law abiding citizens and probably didn’t get the gun legally. There’s always work arounds. 

    • Alkilocal May 14, 2023 (7:59 am)

      Yes-yes! I’m on board and will support this with you!  It’s too easy to get here and cause disruption; to terrorize a neighborhood and community.   Where is the change! 

    • oldSwedeFellInLoveWithALatino May 15, 2023 (1:51 am)

      Easy things that can be fixed:* Increase age limit for guns* Free education* Free health care* Gun license* Provide a future for the youth by free education* Remove parking spots, one way street everywhere* Roundabouts instead of STOP signs* Traffic chicane* Cameras that send tickets to speeding and noise polluters* Increase salaries for teachers, give them nice offices and whatever they need to not go to better schools* Driver’s license only after comprehensive theory and practice test* Learn how other cities control their city (it’s also about culture and people making sacrifices for the next generation)

  • Daniel May 14, 2023 (2:06 am)

    There were some girls crying at the scene, and some of them arguing with police at the beach. I thought maybe they knew the person who got shot. Also saw liquid pooled in the street next to the car which I assumed to be blood.

    Alki had more activity than I’ve seen in a long time.. very crowded and the dozens of emergency vehicles made it even more chaotic

    Earlier in the day I spent at Owens beach in Tacoma which was so much more relaxing in comparison.

  • SSS May 14, 2023 (4:20 am)

    My teenage son mentioned Friday night he wanted to go to Alki Saturday afternoon to hang with his friends. I expressed my concern of why and suggested they hang out somewhere else(I said I would drive them) for this EXACT reason but said he could go just needed to be careful. In the end he chose to stay home and do homework instead. 

  • Lauren May 14, 2023 (5:03 am)

    Please, everyone, take 5 minutes this weekend and call your representatives and tell them to pass the Bipartisan Background Checks Act. We need to solve America’s gun problem NOW.If you’ve never called a rep before and would like a script, there’s one in this article: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-moms-leading-charge-asking-171522642.html

    • Jon May 14, 2023 (9:59 am)

      No. We already have an insane amount of background check nonsense in Washington, combined with enough unconstitutional gun control to make California blush. These recidivists aren’t “passing background checks”, you have no idea what you’re talking about. The policies you advocate for and support not only hurt innocent people (I had a customer who was the victim of DV and couldn’t get a gun in time), but also create these Catch-and-Release Recidivists who routinely terrorize our society and make it so that we can’t even enjoy a peaceful walk at the park. We’re not giving up our rights so that you can feel good about “doing something” (especially if “doing something” solves nothing and creates more problems).

      • oldSwedeFellInLoveWithALatino May 15, 2023 (1:58 am)

        Your country has an issue with guns and it’s so obvious for anyone from other countries. It’s ridiculous that nothing is being done about it. Why are you killing off your children?

      • Canadian May 15, 2023 (2:23 pm)

        Canada has the strictest gun laws in the americas.  They have had 3 mass shootings in the last 30 years. 

    • Pdavis May 14, 2023 (10:23 am)

      The issue is not so simple as guns .  Criminals and gangs will always have a way to either make guns or get them. There’s even online instructions how to make plastic guns that are undetectable because there’s no metal. It’s naïve to think the issue is guns. The issue is a divisive culture and a lack of constraints on behavior culturally.  The problem is way deeper than guns.

      • Lauren May 14, 2023 (12:34 pm)

        The issue is guns. No other country on earth has this problem. Did you know gun violence is now the #1 killer of children in America? It’s the guns. 

        • Frog May 14, 2023 (3:56 pm)

          No other country on earth?  Where does that sort of delusion come from?  Does of reality:  here is a list of the 20 countries with the highest murder rate.  Spoiler alert — the USA is not on it.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/262963/ranking-the-20-countries-with-the-most-murders-per-100-000-inhabitants/  Brazil is on the list at #16, with a murder rate more than 5x greater than the USA.

        • Jethro Marx May 15, 2023 (2:25 pm)

          No, firearms are not the number one killer of children. But this is a talking point which has spread like wildfire and most people do not seem to care that it is verifiably false.  

          • k May 15, 2023 (4:42 pm)

            It is the leading cause of death for children ages 1-18. 

  • aa May 14, 2023 (5:16 am)

    I tend to learn towards more concern rather than less so I’d like to suggest whenever you see people behaving in a manner that concerns you at all, call the police.  Let the police figure out if it is a problem. I imagine there were a lot of people who saw this group at the park and thought their behavior was concerning and then continued walking and didn’t say anything.  I’m not a fan of sayings in general but ‘See Something Say Something’ makes sense to me.   To be clear before the comments  come at me, I am not saying this was anyone’s fault but the person with the gun. 

  • Socialcontract May 14, 2023 (7:37 am)

    If enough people demand change it will happen. That’s the basis of how our government works. Watch how quickly the city responds when a few thousand WS residents barricade the street and peacefully occupy Alki for an entire weekend.

  • NextSteps May 14, 2023 (7:43 am)

    This is extremely sad is so many ways. What can be done to make change and prevent future deaths, injuries and fear? Who can help us figure it out? 

  • Mike May 14, 2023 (7:46 am)

    More well trained and armed police.  I want SPD to have 3,000 well trained armed officers.  I want the armed police on foot, bicycle, horseback, police cruisers and at a minimum 2 mobile precincts at Alki from April to November.  I want 2-3 armed SPD and King County Sheriff school resource officers at every school.  I want camping laws enforced.  I want life sentences for drug dealers (of any age) who sells meth or fentanyl or fentanyl laced drugs to anyone under 25 years of age.  I want audits of every group that gets more than $5,000 from government funds.  I want audits of finances for every politician in the state.  Until then, it’s only going to get worse.  Vote like it matters, because it does.

    • Jay May 14, 2023 (9:36 am)

      Taking even more money from our schools and vulnerable populations to build the police state even bigger would only make the solution worse. A big part of the ineffectiveness of SPD is corruption. Get rid of Mike Solan and SPOG (the police union) and hire good cops with accountability and things will change dramatically for the better.

    • Todd Anderson May 14, 2023 (10:02 am)

      Seems like a well rehearsed Gregg Abbott and NRA talking point. “Audit anyone getting more than $5000 in government aid”? That applies to all of us

    • Bj May 14, 2023 (12:11 pm)

      LolI sure hope that’s sarcasm.If not, who’s gonna pay for all that s*** ?

      • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:22 pm)

        It’s not even about who’s going to pay for it, but where is the city going to find people to take the police jobs. People don’t want to be cops in Seattle. Too many people say they want more police or more social workers or more teachers or more whatever, but they have to realize that there have to be people willing to work in those jobs. The city can’t force people to take those jobs. If people don’t want to be cops, social workers, teachers, or whatever, then money isn’t going to matter.

  • Cranky May 14, 2023 (7:56 am)

    The joke has been about West Seattle being an ‘island’, but it’s such a small geographical area and easily overwhelmed by the crush of a lot of people these days. So much so that it does feel like an ‘island’ whereby a relatively tiny spot gets overrun quickly.

    • Rick May 15, 2023 (12:24 pm)

      Yeah, that’s why we really to need to increase density cramming more units into neighborhoods designed for single family housing. Rats in a cage.

  • Vanessa May 14, 2023 (8:23 am)

    It’s unbelievably sad and horrible to think that the mother of his person killed wakes up to Mother’s Day like this. 

  • WS resident May 14, 2023 (8:25 am)

    Is Alki beach safe this morning after last nights shooting? 

    • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:22 pm)

      There were people on the beach. Volleyball tournament continuing in full swing. And parents with kids playing at Whale Tail park.

  • J May 14, 2023 (8:39 am)

    I love Alki, and I’m not going anywhere. It’s the guns, stupid. And lack of education. Simple solutions most of the civilized world has figured out already. Our country is becoming a death cult of buffoons. I’m tired of the dimwits in charge. Take the guns away, educate our children. 

  • sodo pop May 14, 2023 (9:11 am)

    Of course trying to eliminate the number of guns out there is a good idea.  However people  who want them will still get them. Guns have always been out there.  It  is a change  in our behaviors as a society now compared to for example the 1970’s when nobody thought of or did much shooting.  Let’s dive a little deeper into this, rather than just thinking that eliminating the number of guns will completely resolve this.   I do agree that more police presence at Alki would probably deter some activity.

    • Mariem May 14, 2023 (10:06 am)

      This attitude-though may be well intended- about guns is part of the problem and one of the reasons why common sense regulations  are not in place. Fewer guns  equals fewer deaths. Period. Do we care about life? Then reduce the number of guns. 

    • Eliminate the Second May 14, 2023 (10:21 am)

      “Dive a little deeper?”
      Utterly ridiculous.
      Compare the number of guns in the 70s to the number now and the reason is obvious.
      Guns are the issue.  

      We must work to repeal this sacred right of American wholesale slaughter.

      • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (11:37 am)

        Eliminate- There are over 50 million registered gun owners in our country, they own multiple guns. We are an FFL and sell guns. A lot of these shootings are from people who have ghost guns or stolen guns. Guns are NOT the problem, the person behind the gun is. 

    • CAM May 14, 2023 (11:23 am)

      According to research the number of guns in the US per capita has doubled in the last 50+ years (https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf). Also, we aren’t any more violence happy today, on a broader scale analysis, than we were in 1970. I can’t find perfect data for you that only pulls out gun violence, but here are the per capita homicide rates for those decades. Homicide wouldn’t even tell the full story though because in reality you’ll need to include all the non-homicide firearm injuries resulting from violent crime to get a good picture of what you’re saying because our ability to keep gunshot victims alive has improved. 

    • Jay May 14, 2023 (4:09 pm)

      There are multiple issues being conflated. Leaded gasoline was responsible for a ton of violence before it was banned, it made people more prone to violence. Now it’s been removed. Today, mass shootings are on the rise because of radicalization on online platforms. But all gun violence does stem from the face that guns are freely available.

  • KT May 14, 2023 (9:45 am)

    Over 15,000 people have died due to guns in the US so far this year.  This is an American problem, not just a Seattle problem. And sadly one we just have to live with due to politicians beholden to the NRA.Sadly the genie is never going back into the bottle…at least not in our life times.

  • alkiannie May 14, 2023 (9:50 am)

    I grew up in a small town outside of PNW city. I loved to cruise (get in cars on Fri and Sat nights and go to a strip where tons of other young people drove back and forth). We would head from our little town into the city to cruise. We always wanted to go to the busiest and craziest spot. Cruisers would talk to each other about where the hottest spot was – and a factor of consideration was ‘are the cops were cracking down on the cruisers, yet’. We avoided places with a reputation of ‘cops cracking down’. Alki is red hot right now for today’s ‘cruisers’ because the police is not funded well enough to control these situations and they know it. That’s why they are coming. It will get worse, I promise you. With every 100 young people looking for a good time (I was a ‘good kid’ looking for adventure – and meet boys – my parents were so strict) there is 1 person who is pretty darned dangerous. You get thousands of good kids looking to have a good time and you get dozens of folks out to cause serious problems…. That, plus guns being so easy to buy? Something like this will happen.

    • Josh May 15, 2023 (7:40 am)

      In terms of ‘The Summer Alki Situation’ this nails it.

  • Todd Anderson May 14, 2023 (9:51 am)

    I live on Alki ave and went for a walk the opposite direction from the beach right after the police went by. At Don Armeni ramp there was chaos. Motorcycles and many unlicensed other vehicles racing, pulling wheelies and doing burnouts right in the middle of families enjoying the weather and view……at that moment I knew that what I had been thinking all along was true: Alki is a lawless, chaotic and extremely dangerous place. 

  • TJ May 14, 2023 (10:13 am)

    The 2nd amendment isn’t going away. Handguns will never ever be banned. I have no idea what weapon was used in this but I would guess it was a handgun. If so then ballistics should trace this to the shooter since the gun has to be registered. Oh wait…you can guarantee the gun was illegally possessed. There are some pretty tough gun laws on the books that aren’t being enforced to the full extent of the law, and should be made tougher. You get caught with a stolen gun, automatic 20 years in lockup. Illegally possessing one, same thing. Quit making excuses for people and giving breaks to minors. Until then the ban in guns push is a mute point. I own 9 guns. A mix of hunting rifles, handguns, shotguns, and AR’s. All secured in my safe and never a problem. Had them here for years here and now they are in my house in Arizona where I live most of the time. The problem with Alki is a atmosphere of anarchy. Weed filled skies, drinking in plain view ( by underage kids), cars doing donuts, cars stopped in the middle of the street blocking traffic with people dancing around. No police in sight. And if they are around they don’t bust people. This city has done it to itself by voting in worthless spineless politicians. No matter how much you want Seattle to turn into Pleasantville it is a fantasy. Time to wake up and realize their are just people who shouldn’t be a part of society. 

  • AE May 14, 2023 (10:16 am)

    We need to find solutions that don’t just displace these issues to another neighborhood or community. What are we doing collectively to create safe spaces and opportunities for youth during out of school time and address systemic barriers for youth to be able to pursue and achieve fulfilling educational and economic opportunities?

  • Admiral May 14, 2023 (10:21 am)

    As a parent with a youngster that frequently uses Whale Tail Park this incident is way too much to hold back my frustrations.  I want zero mercy for the perp responsible for putting young kids at risk.  This perp belongs in jail for the rest of their life!

    • Mary M Jordan May 14, 2023 (3:37 pm)

      The perps are state and Local government not getting the funds to the people that need it.USA is spending more on poverty now than ever and it’s not getting to the people who need it.  State and local government is doing something with it to the extent that the poor get 22 cents for every dollar earmarked for poverty.Someone, some many are benefiting from so many people in poverty.The poor need the cash, not programs. Everyone needs to feel safe and you can’t feel safe when you’re living hand to mouth, and can’t pay rent. Paying rent happens when you don’t own a home or several homes and you have to pay to rent your home or apartment from somebody else. I recommend “Poverty, By America” by Matthew Desmond

      • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:32 pm)

        Are you saying the shooter was poor?  Are you assuming that, or do you have factual information?  Be careful, because otherwise you’ll be accused of being racist for assuming that POC is poor. There are POC that live in Alki and have no problem affording to live here and there are plenty of non-POC that are poor.

  • WS Bee May 14, 2023 (10:33 am)

    There’s a lot of confounding factors that lead up to this awful situation, and guns are definitely part of that. The other factor is (in my opinion) is that there is a perception that Alki has given that you can party/do whatever without any repercussions.

    Having lived near other beach towns and visited many others, there’s some things that I’ve witnessed that help keep the peace:

    – proper enforcement of public displays of alcohol. The number of people I see publicly drinking (and with glass bottles on a beach!? Cmon) is ridiculous. There’s been a bunch of seemingly underage drinking as well. This can lead to overconsumption of alcohol, and thus drunk driving and rowdiness. I don’t think it makes sense to hand out tickets to every person who is openly consuming alcohol — some places just forced you to dump out your alcohol, and you only got tickets for glass bottles or if you were overly intoxicated.  The other option is to only allow local businesses to serve alcohol, and you can drink in public, but the alcohol is managed by someone who is going to prevent serving to minors and over serving. One thing that I’ve seen work as a deterrent to people bringing their own alcohol is having specific recyclable cups that your alcoholic beverage has to be consumed out of. You “purchase” it with your first drink (a deposit) and you get your deposit back when you return the cup at the end of the night (basically when you close out your tab). 

    – block off the street on the weekends/certain hours and only allow for walking, unless you have a handicapped sticker, local parking permit (usually a sticker on the windshield),  or are a delivery van/local business. I saw this a lot in European coastal towns. Was usually paired with a traffic officer (or several) to help manage traffic.

    – more cops on foot/ horseback 

    • Johnny Stulic May 14, 2023 (11:57 am)

      It’s amazing how the causes of any shootings anywhere in the US are always attributed to anything but the ridiculous number of weapons leisurely carried around. It’s mental illness, it’s video games, it’s no prayers in schools, it’s gay marriage, in this case it’s alcohol somehow…
      Meanwhile, it just might be a lethal combination of right wing extremists who insist on no weapons regulation whatsoever, and the left wing extremists who insist on reducing even the minimal punishment further because every hardcore criminal commits crime due to his poverty and social injustice, as we are lectured daily.
      Solutions are simple. Every crime committed while in possession of a weapon could be treated minimally as attempted murder, and every gang related crime could be treated as a terrorist activity, then given appropriate (i.e. very long) sentence. Will this happen? Of course not. That’s not the way we do business in this country where small minorities of extremists reserve a right to rule over us all.

      • Solfire May 14, 2023 (10:22 pm)

        I agree with you right up to the “Gang Member” part unfortunately it’s easy to say anyone is a “Gang Member” or a “terrorist.” It’s simple enforce the gun laws swiftly and so strictly that it’s unthought of to illegally have a gun let alone commit a crime with one. The government loves mandatory minimum sentences for drugs why not guns? 

  • Terry May 14, 2023 (11:18 am)

    Who brings a gun to the beach?

    • Bilbo May 14, 2023 (11:26 am)

      In this case criminals…..

    • Pinto May 14, 2023 (12:08 pm)

      Who doesn’t bring a gun to the beach? Sadly that is likely the reply of the people involved in this tragic murder.

    • Mariem May 14, 2023 (12:23 pm)

      Well it seems many people take guns with them wherever they go ..

  • TC May 14, 2023 (11:20 am)

    There are far too many illegal guns in circulation to stop this problem with background checks or by “banning guns”.  I guarantee the guy I saw running away with a gun after the shooting did not legally buy or possess the weapon…It’s a social issue.  We need more cops, it was a damn free for all of debauchery down there yesterday.

    • Alki56th May 14, 2023 (2:57 pm)

      It isn’t only an illegal and stolen gun issue though. Gun laws have worked in every country they’ve been passed in to my knowledge. This entire country is unhinged and violent.https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/05/14/gun-violence-rates-fareeds-take-gps-vpx.cnn

    • CAM May 14, 2023 (8:56 pm)

      A “freeforall of debauchery?” Don’t tell me, were people “scantily clad” at the beach? Maybe you were referring to the “twerking” that was referenced above that was part of a planned silent disco (“an event where people dance to music listened to on wireless headphones”)? Or the “underage drinking” observed by people who were likely both older and untrained at making assessments of biological age? 

      As to your statement that illegal guns are the problem and therefore the problem can’t be solved, other countries around the world have implemented laws that strengthened firearms restrictions and have seen decreases in the availability of firearms and violent crime related to firearms. So laws do in fact work when they are allowed to be put in place and enforced. There are vacancies at the police department that need to be filled but filling those positions wouldn’t stop this from happening. There were multiple officers in close proximity when this occurred by all reports. 

  • Cranky May 14, 2023 (11:22 am)

    The thugs who pack guns will continue to do so. These events aren’t created by law abiding citizenry. It would be helpful if the judicial system would take them off the streets. However, this is Seattle with a mindset which opposes such action.  So, we’ll continue to run thru these situations. 

  • Disappointed Resident May 14, 2023 (12:29 pm)

    I was with my wife and two young kids eating at Harry’s during the shooting. On our walk back to our car, we saw tons of lawless and ridiculous activity. The winner was a pregnant girl (doubt she was 18) smoking a joint and drinking a beer. She was surrounded by a bunch of rough looking friends, so I didn’t bother saying anything while I was with my wife, toddler, and infant.

    We’ve lived here for almost ten years and there was always a feeling of freedom and live and let live down on Alki which was fun. However as of late, just walk the stretch on a busy day and you’ll see a bunch of people from outside the area hanging around creating trouble. It feels like a safety risk now and didn’t in past years.

  • Marcus May 14, 2023 (12:38 pm)

    This social experiment of limited police presence and letting the poor disadvantaged misguided people find their way to a more responsible way of life has failed before it even started.  It is difficult to blame the politicians because they told us what they were going to do before we all voted them in.  It is our fault!  Our fault completely.  Get wise Seattle public—-times up.

  • wsn00b May 14, 2023 (12:53 pm)

    Amusing and predictable. My wife and I were on a date night first stop at a bar in Admiral around 630pm pondering where to go for tacos. When I recommended Cactus at Alki, she said “Have you seen the weather and day of the week? Alki is going to be a zoo. It’s the kind of night somebody usually gets shot”. We went to a taco place in Fremont instead blissfully unaware and thankfully avoided this mess. It’s sad but as locals we know the routine. It’s Sunday and it’s still attractively warm for the beach. Keep your heads up and hopefully SPD can step up visibility with roving patrols as a deterrent.

    • Alki56th May 14, 2023 (2:53 pm)

      If you find someone being shot and killed at all amusing, you should remove yourself and your gene pool from this planet.

    • Pete May 14, 2023 (5:43 pm)

      I don’t think there is anything amusing about it. 

      • Sarah May 14, 2023 (10:55 pm)

        Thank you, Pete, for commenting .Using the work amusing in reference to this incident is extremely disturbing.

  • CC May 14, 2023 (12:58 pm)

    I’m in favor of keeping Alki safe & not giving up to allow criminally minded people to take charge. This AM it seems as though it’s a very safe place. There are people out & it’s quiet. The idiots who hung out in a children’s playground, one of which killed someone, were clearly out of place. I’m in favor of “If you see something, say something” and there maybe other thing we, the majority, can do to keep things safe. One thing is clear: these people who think they can carry guns, trash talk, who enjoy violence I guess, do have nice cars. I think some hang out west around the point on Beach. I say we let them know we’re here. It’s too beautiful here to give in to gangs & a killing. If there us a group who wants to keep Alki safe & look at the statistical qualities that contribute to a safe community I’d like to be part. Just to muse a bit, wonder if loud mufflers, loud basses, loud radios correlate with criminal activity. 

    • Mary M Jordan May 14, 2023 (3:55 pm)

      Today’s activity is about half of what was going on yesterday. It was noticeably crazy crowded yesterday and lately.People have decided to park in no parking areas like along the tennis court on 59th, rendering it a one-way street. Those cars were getting ticketed one day when I made the mistake of going down that street.I like some have suggested that the crowd be limited.There’s clearly no parking for this amount of people. Shut it down once the parking has been maxed.I don’t know how to accomplish it, but we’ve gone to the moon or faked that we’ve gone to the Moon, so I trust we can figure it out!

  • Lamont May 14, 2023 (2:29 pm)

    We need to put the “well regulated” back into “well regulated militia”.I

    f you want to buy a semiautomatic gun / handgun there needs to be a 3-6 month waiting period where you have to actively be enrolled in a gun club.  Needs to be mandatory training and education during that period.  When you graduate you need to be well versed on legal issues and understand things like who is the lethal force aggressor in a situation and what a judge would consider to be a situation where a reasonable person would fear for their own safety (and what the legal concept of a ‘reasonable person’ is, because you’ll be judged on that concept, even if such an entity doesn’t exist).  They need to be taught how guns cause more problems than they solve most of the time. You should get retrained every several years so that the knowledge is kept reasonably fresh.

    We also need to end stand your ground laws and require duty to retreat.

    Of course the people who illegally own firearms won’t go through all of this, but with a better regulated and educated population of legal gun owners, there will be more of a chance that some kid with an illegal pistol will have an older brother will point out how they’re being an idiot and what will happen to them mixing up guns with their ideas of street justice.

    And there’s still a lot of road ragers out there who may legally own firearms and operate automobiles who don’t understand that when you’re encased in 2 tons of steel armor around you that you’re unlikely to convince a judge that you legitimately feared for your life in most situations.

    • Wolfgang May 15, 2023 (7:33 am)

      That’s a great idea but alot of gun crimes are from stolen guns and/or ghost guns.

  • Bee May 14, 2023 (2:39 pm)

    It seems like even basic common sense ideas: block off driving on Alki during the busy hours except free local parking permit, wheelchair permit, and delivery, etc., or funnel the entrance to Alki like any other valuable park to slow it down, and more horseback presence would deter most of the aggression. This is not that hard to accomplish.

    • Rhonda May 14, 2023 (3:51 pm)

      Just because you don’t like the type of people who visit the Alki area doesn’t mean you can discriminate against them and barr them access. Everyone has the right to come to Alki park and enjoy it just like you.

      • Bee May 15, 2023 (12:51 pm)

        You made many irrational assumptions of my statement, which aren’t worth explaining. Go back and re read it, then think about how you get into highly valuable government parks, which Alki Beach is -at this juncture.

        • Rhonda May 15, 2023 (8:14 pm)

          I wrote “Alki area”. Misguided people want to limit access to the entire area: streets, driveways, yards, businesses, etc. The ALKI AREA is for ALL, not just people who live there, are fortunate enough to walk a few blocks, or bike ride a few miles.

      • Neighbor May 18, 2023 (10:04 am)

        I personally don’t care where you came from or what you look like, what I’d like to see stop is the drug dealing, the illegal behavior, the ignoring rules, and the public drinking which, let’s admit, cause problems. Doesn’t matter if what race or background. It’s the behaviors that are causing issues and that’s what needs to stop. Those behaviors seem to come out to Alki when it’s sunny. And a lot of the people who don’t care about things like if they’re waving around a bottle of vodka or parking where they shouldn’t, or giving drugs to a buyer, tend to have guns. 

    • Mary M Jordan May 14, 2023 (3:57 pm)

      I agree.

      • Kathy May 14, 2023 (5:00 pm)

        If we limited traffic to walking, biking, taking the Water Taxi, Shuttle or Metro Route 50 during sunny  weekends, there probably would be a lot less guns circulating around here. Not to mention less climate warming, air and noise pollution, and tire dust runoff that poisons the  water. If nothing else, try it for a few weekends as a test. The businesses need to get on board with this. Car parking is obstructing the beautiful views the restaurants could otherwise offer. If car-free Alki weekends were advertised widely in the city, people would come just for the experience. We used to do this one day per year but I guess it got too expensive and sometimes the long planned event ended up being on a rainy day. I remember we usually had it in May. We had one May 19th, 2013. Sometime between 4th of July and September would be the best bet for weather. However, it does seem the first few sunny weekends often produce the most obnoxious behavior, along with Independence Day weekend, not always easy to predict. Residents could be mailed passes and people with disabled permits could be allowed in. 

        • Auntie May 14, 2023 (5:28 pm)

          Too bad the bus service to Alki is abysmal, almost impossible. How would anyone get here? An if they drive, then they fill up the side streets. Again, not feasible.

        • Alki resident May 14, 2023 (5:31 pm)

          I strongly disagree with this. People come from all over to see Alki and eat there. Cars don’t obstruct the view. I’m tired of the war on cars around here. Go elsewhere that’s not car friendly if you want but don’t take away our right to drive our cars. 

        • Pete May 14, 2023 (5:48 pm)

          I think this is the obvious solution. Just increase the frequency of buses and it ought to be straightforward. Permit parking during the summer too.

        • James 2 May 14, 2023 (10:31 pm)

          This is absurd. This isn’t a private beach. It should always be inclusive and open to everyone. 

          • Roddy3 May 15, 2023 (7:05 am)

            @James 2 – The beach would be open to everyone. Just not their cars. I think it’s a great idea.

    • Suzanne May 14, 2023 (5:11 pm)

      I strongly agree with Bee’s suggestion. 

    • WestSeattleBadTakes May 14, 2023 (7:11 pm)

      Very interesting. I’ve proposed this many times here and was dismissed very quickly.

      I’ll be curious to see if those folks chime in this time. This has been quite obvious for a long time, and not because of this shooting.

      • Bee May 15, 2023 (10:32 am)

        In many things I think it’s a matter of timing, people have to be ready to hear it, sounds like you did the leg work ✌️

        • WSGuyDude May 17, 2023 (12:58 am)

          This idea gets quickly dismissed because it has a few important logistical problems. If you are restricting vehicle access on the beach, here are the biggest issues:

          1. People will bring equipment to the beach that needs to be transported to the beach. This is typically families coming from long distances, looking to get the most out of their beach day. Coolers, umbrellas, speakers, food, strollers, boogie boards, clothes, chairs, etc…. This is why families drive SUV’s, because it can transport this equipment. Have you ever tried bringing more than a backpack on a bus while working with children?
          This also applies to many other beach goers, many volleyball players bring nets, bags of balls, coolers, speakers, etc… Many bike path users use their car to store their water, put clothes in for the changing temps/winds, hold other items like books to use in between sessions.

          2. The inconvenience must also be taken into account. Anyone looking to spend an afternoon at the beach now has to account for bus routes and stops, schedules and timing, physical space on the bus, bus fares, etc. Moreover, most people who own vehicles rarely take the bus, if ever. This will heavily deter average folks just looking for a relaxing time by creating stress over getting there and back. Include the added 15 minutes of commute time and it’ll be a no-go for most.

          3. Piggybacking off of the inconvenience factor, this will be a MAJOR blow to all local businesses. Prices are already high, we all know this. They will only get higher as the audience shrinks. Many would likely close, I assume. We already see businesses closing WITH the high summer traffic.

          4. This requires manditing the policy as well. Since it’s public property being mandated, it will have to be maintained by public employees. You tell me where we are going to find those people, how we are going to give them authority, and what they can do to those who don’t follow the absurd rules. And don’t be so fast to say the police. We don’t have enough of them, and if you want to hire more for this specific issue, I assure you there are plenty more issues we are trying to work on in Downtown Seattle before we’re able to provide private beach security.

          Also, like others have said, this is a public beach, it should be accessible for all.  If you want to compare it to other beaches with high traffic, look at Santa Monica, Venice Beach, Laguna Beach, etc… All have paid parking, none of them enforce a strictly no-beach-parking policy.

  • John May 14, 2023 (3:13 pm)

    Unfortunately, we are going to have to live with this. Too many guns in circulation. Too many young people feel they don’t have a chance. Not enough funding to increase the cost of adding more police to make a difference. We’ve crossed a line that we may never be able to go back. More guns than people in the US. Jails are overcrowded. 

  • I Love Alki Beach May 14, 2023 (4:02 pm)

    I echo what “CC” said. Let’s not allow criminally minded people to take charge of Alki. If you see something, say something. The Seattle Police Department Non-Emergency Line is 206-625-5011. Save it in your Contacts. Maybe we can save some lives. I would also love to contribute to a working group who wants to keep Alki safe. I emailed Lisa Herbold (our District 1 City Councilmember) with some of the ideas I saw on here. 

    • alki_2008 May 14, 2023 (11:57 pm)

      Is that really the best number to call for non-emergencies? I thought we’re supposed to call the Southwest Precinct at 206-733-9800

      • WSB May 15, 2023 (12:27 am)

        Call 911 for everything. That is police advice, noted time and again in our coverage of community meetings. The calltakers will reroute you if they have to.

  • wetone May 14, 2023 (4:28 pm)

    Another very sad outcome to a beautiful day. But reading through all these comments I see (1) out law guns (2) get rid of parking on Alki  (3) make new laws….. the list I see goes on and on. First off guns don’t fire themselves at victims. If it wasn’t a gun then most likely a knife or other type of weapon would of been used or just their fists, as there is no accountability here. Now get rid of parking at Alki, that will solve nothing as people just go elsewhere and those that live in area and the law abiding people are penalized for the few bad ones. You can’t kept closing areas and parks in Seattle. Look at all the fencing Seattle has put up, just moving problems elsewhere. Make new laws ? Why ? We have laws today that could be enforced, but are not for so many bad reasons by our city government, as they say it’s not fare and compassionate…… we’ll there you go.  I expect things in Seattle get to much worse  as  our government  is doing little to cure issues. Seattle can not hire more police officers because the political mess here,  will not enforce current laws, will not lock people up that should be. Has no real hard plan for mental health, just wants more money……Does little for the hard working tax paying citizens…….  I just hope this summer doesn’t end up like are Summer of Love……….. vote for a change if you really care

  • George May 14, 2023 (6:08 pm)

    Close the area to all cars, except the ones who live there. Provide entrance control to a TSA like group. As long as drugs and drinking are legal to consume in public, there will be guns. And we all know that drugs + alcohol + guns = disaster.

    • James 2 May 14, 2023 (10:30 pm)

      No. This is not your personal private beach!

  • Lucy May 14, 2023 (8:22 pm)

    I’m on 54th and Alki.  It’s getting sporty down here right now.  Lots of very loud cars and peel outs.  Too many people and too many cars.  Too much pot smoke.  Too much alcohol.  I won’t even go out for sunset.  

  • WSDUDEMAN May 14, 2023 (9:30 pm)

    Simple solution. More stick. Less carrot.So much talk of Gun control and zero talk surrounding enforcement of existing laws OR better yet, increased penalties for using a gun to commit crimes.Armed robbery? Drive by? Mandatory 20 years, no parole. Illegal possession of a firearm? Mandatory 20 years, no parole. Shooting someone in an act of violence? 30-40 years no parole. Good bye. Murder with a gun? (Not talking self-defense here – those cases can go to a trial) – Life in prison. Bye bye!Lots of people complaining prisons are full…but they SHOULD be full of some people who choose to use firearms in such an irresponsible manner. Don’t demonize those who choose to legally purchase and use guns in a responsible way…they aren’t the problem. If YOU don’t like guns, don’t get one. The problem are criminals with zero moral compass, those that are willing to USE a deadly weapon to prey upon others in our community. That type of person deserves zero compassion. ZERO. Its a conscious choice these people are making in taking out a firearm and looking for trouble. They just need to think twice before they leave the house and endanger the rest of our community. That can only happen if the deterrent and potential penalties are severe enough.

  • Jen May 14, 2023 (11:34 pm)

    I also agree with the previous comments. A type of toll entry for visitors coming to west Seattle and even safety checkpoints for drugs. It’s unfortunate we have to be at this point but things are getting worse.Also west Seattle is still Seattle. We’re still part of the city, and we’re between downtown Seattle and White center. But to me west Seattle comes off very residential with lots of families and kids and we need to take precautions. We can’t just pretend a lot of recent gun violence is not happening and push it under a rug. While I can also agree I wouldn’t feel as comfortable with police presence on a beach while trying to unwind. But at this point we need it, especially because of the heat. Most visitors coming to west Seattle honestly come to party and Alki is becoming a wannabe LA lately in the evenings. But families in the area and people who live here should not live in fear and we need the area to be protected 

    • Jeff May 15, 2023 (8:10 am)

      Checkpoints aren’t the answer to fixing this. The crime will just happen where the checkpoints aren’t at. This reeks of exclusive private security for beach owners and not a viable solution.

    • Rhonda May 15, 2023 (12:40 pm)

      Checkpoints, Jen? Like 1930s Nazi Germany or the 1970s Soviet Union? We have our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights to protect Americans from that sort of Authoritarianism.

    • JAmes 2 May 18, 2023 (11:32 am)

      Yeah…big NO to Checkpoints…

  • Andy May 15, 2023 (4:55 am)

    How many of you who are afraid of “gun violence” voted for Seattle City Council members who demanded that we defund the police? It’s obvious that Seattle needs more, not less, police presence. Not just on Alki Beach, either. 

    • Jeff May 15, 2023 (11:24 am)

      These are not related. Defunding is about how to allocate city funds. More cops never fix the problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/us/police-crime.html This article proves that. 

      • Eliminate the second May 15, 2023 (12:33 pm)

        Jeff cites an “article that proves that” “more cops never fix the problem.”
        Jeff should at least read the article.  
        It contradicts Jeff’s claim,  “History shows that homicides fell after more officers were hired 54 percent of the time, according to Aaron Chalfin, a criminologist at the University of Pennsylvania who has studied ways of driving down crime.”   “<span style=",

  • Big Bling May 15, 2023 (7:01 am)

    GUNS GUNS GUNS, take them away. according to the NRA one living person is too many. we all do stupid things every day and do stupid things to other people.  we don’t know our own selves in all situations.  that’s why having something like a f***ing GUN is stupid. reactionary. i know people will say but what about the KNIVES – we can get to that once we take away the GUNS GUNS GUNS

  • Terry May 15, 2023 (7:26 am)

    It was good while it lasted. This city/ country has little concern for the well being of its citizens. Ever wonder why we have billions for war but no money for Medicare, housing, safe neighborhoods?Me either. 

  • Alki Jack May 15, 2023 (7:43 am)

    Well this has been brought up before, several years ago there was a big campaign for this. Maybe it’s time to separate from the City of Seattle and become the City of West Seattle. Still sub-contract from the city or county for police and fire protection, but we would have our own city council. Set our rules etc etc. Food for thought anyway.

    • Jeff May 15, 2023 (11:25 am)

      Here we go against with the Secessionist talk. No. Big fat NO. 

  • Noel May 15, 2023 (3:22 pm)

    Why not? Why not talk about it.

    • Alki Jack May 16, 2023 (9:05 am)

      You are right Noel, there is no harm in finding out what the upside and the downsides would be. Jeff’s comment No, Big Fat No, with no explanation as to WHY? I don’t even know all the in’s and out’s, but I do know, we as tax paying citizens, are not being very well protected. I would pay more property tax if I knew it went 100% towards more and better policing. 

  • ACG May 15, 2023 (10:04 pm)

    Is there any sort of additional penalty for the shooter, if caught, for firing the weapon in a park? 

    • Rhonda May 16, 2023 (2:24 pm)

      There isn’t such an enhancement in our state and it wouldn’t deter a murderer, anyway. The adults without children using drugs and alcohol in the park just before this happened ignored the actual enhanced penalties for using drugs in a park. The shooting itself, from the accounts I’ve heard, happened on the streets and residential area surrounding the park.

  • West Seattle Resident May 17, 2023 (11:45 am)

    They set up a go fund me for the family. Turns out he was a friend of a friend from high school. RIP.https://gofund.me/57e1a973

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