Murder-case update and what else was discussed @ Alki Community Council

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The Alki Community Council‘s been lamenting low meeting turnout for some time now. Not tonight. The room at Alki UCC was full, and the online turnout hit double digits too.

Last weekend’s trouble at the beach, including a deadly shooting, was the main motivation, judging by the discussion, so Southwest Precinct commander Capt. Martin Rivera was the guest who drew the most questions.

(WSB photo, Saturday evening)

ALKI MURDER: No arrests yet in the shooting that killed 25-year-old Davonté Sanchez near Whale Tail Park on Saturday evening. But Capt. Rivera said detectives are getting ready to “put something out to the community” making another plea for information and video in the case. He also revealed one new piece of information – the crowd on Alki were there because of an “event on TikTok” that police got “late word of” via a Parking Enforcement officer. He said SPD was mobilizing to address the situation when shots were heard, “and you know the rest.” He said the “follow-up units” are still actively working the case.

Beyond that, attendees wanted to know about plans for dealing with disorder, especially reckless driving.

Capt. Rivera said Alki “emphasis” will start this weekend and continue most Fridays-Sundays through Labor Day and that they’ll get the mobile precinct there when they can. “All depends on what’s going on in the whole precinct at the time.” Would a petition for more staffing help? “We’re in a little bit of a staffing crunch,” and the “emphasis” patrols are already made up of people on overtime, Rivera said, so there’s really no place else from which to draw “more staffing.” He also noted that shifts do have some overlaps. But if big events – like last night’s two Delridge gunfire incidents – happen elsewhere, the officers have to go there, regardless of how busy the beach is.

He also noted that they do what they can – the traffic-calming measures took a while but finally got implemented – “it’s hard to move those things along” but can be done, especially with community partnership.

One attendee observed that “car culture” overlaps with violence and wondered if SPD is working with SDOT on more calming. Short answer, yes, but budget challenges have kept them from expanding those measures beyond where they are now.

At that point, City Council D-1 candidate Rob Saka stood up and said to attendees, “My heart hurts for you” regarding the shooting by Whale Tail Park, saying his kids were playing there just a few hours before the murder. “We need anti-cruising emphasis patrols, anti-gun violence … I would like to see police be able to be more proactive and less reactive.” Capt. Rivera said he agreed that “we need more officers.” (Saka was the only candidate in attendance, though someone in the gallery identified themselves as Phil Tavel‘s campaign manager.)

The support for more traffic calming was strong; one attendee suggested crowdfunding if money is what it takes; talk to SDOT, Rivera suggested. What about paid parking on the beach to raise money? asked another attendee, or charging people to visit the beaches? Capt. Rivera said that hasn’t caught traction because it would inequitably affect community members.

Another attendee said he wanted to ensure that the early closing time starting Memorial Day weekend stretches all the way to Don Armeni, the entirety of the shore, not just the beach itself.

Two other guests from the city spoke relatively briefly.

SDOT SHARED-MICROMOBILITY PROGRAM: Kim Pearson from SDOT was the guest. She focuses on scooter and bike share. Four companies offer five device types – three scooters, two bikes. \\

In 2022, more than 3.7 million trips were taken, more than a million-trip gain from the previous year. Each trip averages 11+ minutes. Pearson talked about various related programs including free helmets available from city customer-service centers (including Southwest).

Here’s how to report problems:

PUMP STATION 38: Valerie Tokumoto from Seattle Public Utilities said PS 38 – the under-renovation station in the 1400 block of Alki SW – is one of 70 pump stations in the city’s system ‘and we have plans for all of them.” Landscaping will stretch 50 feet on both sides of the pump station. She wanted to ensure people knew how to surface questions and concerns, and recommended Find It Fix It for the latter. (The project’s webpage is here.)

NEXT MEETING: ACC president Tony Fragada and vice president Randie Stone expressed hope that the first-timers would be back next month. The group’s meetings are usually at 7 pm third Thursdays at Alki UCC (6115 SW Hinds).

53 Replies to "Murder-case update and what else was discussed @ Alki Community Council"

  • Saka fan May 19, 2023 (1:23 am)

    Got to hand it to Rob Saka showing up. He actually cares! Do not like taking away car freedoms. Anti-cruising seems a little dogwhistle-y to me.

    • Michelle May 19, 2023 (8:47 am)

      I’m glad he showed up but not happy that he had a side conversation during a lot of the meeting that made it hard for us to hear when the presenters were talking. 

    • Jort May 19, 2023 (9:47 am)

      What are “car freedoms?” 

    • Alki resident May 19, 2023 (9:49 am)

      You obviously don’t live near the beach. It isn’t a dog- whistle. Cruising and street racing are a HUGE problem at Alki. They also bring with it drunk and drug impaired drivers, and violence between the car “club” factions. I’ve personally seen it and called the police too many times to remember. Cruising is a problem. 

  • oerthehillz May 19, 2023 (5:52 am)

    Making Alki a paid /zone parking would greatly discourage crime and large gatherings but we have to call out the equity thing on parking too? The entire down town Seattle area is paid parking! That’s not very equitable. For Alki, even just a small fee would make a huge difference because many people would rather go someplace else.  Seattle has tied their own hands.

    • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (9:03 am)

      Yeah to hear that is what our commanders response was to that was pretty disheartening. That’s also a great point! Honestly it sounds like they just came with a bunch of blubber, gaslighting, and no action. Oh we don’t have enough police officers but we pay them a crap ton of overtime instead of hiring more bodies, and we also don’t want your racist pay for parking idea to help fund us even though we have to pay for parking at a multitude of other areas including most of the rest of Seattle, so how dare you impose a small parking fee at the most populated beach in Seattle that we admittedly cannot control that just took the life of BLACK man. It’s like the city literally does not care, and it’s trickling down to the department. Equity is also saving vulnerable populations from violence. How are we doing that if we won’t fix the problem? Paid parking is not the problem. People dying is.

      • Anne May 19, 2023 (10:23 am)

        SPD IS hiring more officers- do you any idea how long it takes -from application to actual feet on the street?? It’s not like – tomorrow- next week- next month- closer to next year. So that solution -will be awhile in becoming a reality. So “paying a crap ton of overtime” to those officers we do have is the immediate solution- it’s not blubbering or gaslighting-what an inane comment. 

        • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (12:40 pm)

          As to your comment regarding my comment on them hiring more police, I don’t think you you saw my other comment string. Couldn’t edit after the fact. I initially confused the lack of funding mentioned is actually a SDOT funding problem in regard to traffic calming, not SPD staffing.

          But also, do you have any insight into how /you/ would fix the problem? Why did so many officers leave? How do we bring them back because hmm defunding the police or pushing them to want to work elsewhere maybe wasn’t a good idea? Plus, there are qualified candidates now, they just don’t want to work in Seattle. Not a SPD problem, but Seattle’s. We shouldn’t have ever hit a point where even our police on overtime are barely enough. That’s costing us a lot for pay:labor hours and putting a toll on our police and potentially allowing suspects to flee easier. Regardless, obviously it will take time to get more feet on the ground, I didn’t say it wouldn’t, but it still doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a conversation started /now/ about it, and how we as a community can help. I definitely got the funding piece wrong – my bad, but also I don’t think starting that conversation is absurd or insane; I think being blind to it and still expecting change would be.

          • WS Res May 19, 2023 (1:40 pm)

            They left because there was a chance they might be held accountable for their  unconscionable violence toward protesters. Some convinced themselves (and others) this meant they would be “unable to do their jobs” Apparently being asked not to treat the public like the enemy was a bridge too far.

    • Another One May 19, 2023 (9:15 am)

      Downtown has many more public transportation options than Alki. I’m fine with paid parking, if there’s corresponding reliable public transportation. 

      • Alki resident May 19, 2023 (9:44 am)

        There’s bus stops all up and down the beach. And a FREE bus/water taxi shuttle that will take you from all over west seattle down to the beach area and back. Paid parking is a great idea. The city needs to do SOMETHING. 

        • Kyle May 19, 2023 (10:09 am)

          Metro has been cutting bus trips and routes to Alki since the pandemic. The service is not reliable.

          • 937 May 19, 2023 (11:11 am)

            And yet, the Seattle Voter voted in 2020 for Prop 1 to “ fund transit services benefiting Seattle residents”.  One can NOT make this stuff up…. The Seattle Voter voted to RAISE their taxes to fund almost 40 MILLION dollars (a year for 6 years) at a .05% increase. And services are being cut.

            Does ANYONE care about their taxes being wasted??

            I thought journalisim was the 4th estate?? Where is the money going? Who is held accountable?? Why are services being cut???

          • CAM May 19, 2023 (11:02 pm)

            You literally just lived through a 3 year global emergency and you know that routes are being cut because they can’t find staff and buses are breaking down. Stop yelling nonsense about money being wasted or misappropriated when you have ABSOLUTELY no evidence to back that up other than that you don’t want to accept the reality that living through the nightmare of the last 3 years cost all governments GOBS of money and also meant they took in way less money than during typical times. 

          • West Seattle Resident May 23, 2023 (8:32 am)

            I think after august 2021, that whole blame everything on the pandemic ship sailed.There’s always a fix, especially with the amount of tax funding they are provided and we approved. They could offer better marketing, bonus, increase pay and create a safer experience for bus drivers. There’s always a solution…I mean aren’t they now charging an extra CO2 tax? 45 cents a gallon on average, doubling the original tax. Seems like they are racking in the money still. It’s just whether they sit on their butts and blame tax payers or actually do something about the issues. We’re not getting applicants? Increase wages. That immediately gets traction.

          • Canton May 20, 2023 (9:22 am)

            Agree 937, it’s like funding an entity with a gambling problem. Always wanting more $$, with no accountability.

          • 937 May 20, 2023 (9:29 am)

            Hey uh… CAM…. That “money” that “costs government” “GOBS”… IS OUR MONEY!!!! They are not good stewards of it! If you didn’t know…. Government does not make money… They print it – AND they take it from all of us.

            It was voted to raise funds to assure proper bus service…. Right?? So increase salaries of drivers. Offer better benefits… buy new, WORKING busses. I mean, 40 million dollars a year, right??

            Or, they could just get the fenty smokers and other drug users off the bus and actually support the drivers. 

            Don’t spit in my face and tell me it’s raining.

    • Beach Tags May 19, 2023 (9:36 am)

      Desperately want beach tags. Charge a fee for the season and they have to be displayed on your body, beach chairs, etc. or get fined/be asked to leave.Been working for decades on the east coast and would be a good source of revenue + deter some of the crime.

      • WS Res May 19, 2023 (10:05 am)

        Blatantly racist and classist. The beach doesn’t belong to you or anyone else. Anyone is allowed to be there.

        • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (10:56 am)

          Beach tags aren’t only for residents or the rich, anyone could buy them for a season (most beaches that do it is like 20 bucks a season, maybe can offer discount if paid with tags like discovery pass)

          That money could be allocated towards things such as speed bumps, speed cameras, lifeguards, beach rangers, trash removal, and discourage the juveniles/young adults who randomly decide to come to practically blow the place up for a random tik tok party. Similar to if they did paid parking, but it covers the whole season instead and is basically a season admission-based fee. It might not directly deter much (or maybe it will) but it would definitely add funding to the beach, SDOT who are currently saying they don’t have money to do any “traffic calming” that would definitely help. Might solve two birds with one stone.Not a bad idea, and I do not see how it is racist or classist in the big picture. Mostly it will just add funding to Alki to make things safer and cleaner, and potentially increase accountability and deter random parties from going there and brewing trouble, such as the tukwila party on Saturday that was absolute chaos. 

          I mean something has to be done? We just had a beautiful soul die. He was also a POC and a friend of a friend from high school in Kent. This hits home, and it should for everyone in the community. Something. Needs. To. Be. Done. Period.If anyone has suggestions, I say let’s keep hearing it and talking about it with our community leaders, be proactive.

          • WestSeattleBadTakes May 19, 2023 (12:02 pm)

            The something that needs to be done is catch the person who committed this murder, addressing gun violence, and working to understand this increase in crime (spare me the reductive “they are just criminals”).

            What doesn’t need to be done is a performative gesture that only benefits a handful of people, saves no lives, and does nothing to address the underlying issues. In fact, it may even exacerbate them.

        • 937 May 19, 2023 (11:16 am)

          When one seeks out offense or “race issues” one is certain to find them.This is NOT at all about “race” or “class”.

          When I go hunting or fishing, I need to properly display a (paid for) access pass to utilize the land. Hikers need a (paid for) forest pass. Is that also racist and classist?

          • WS Res May 19, 2023 (1:46 pm)

            Yeah, I just totally made that up

        • Peter S. May 19, 2023 (11:40 am)

          >>  Blatantly racist and classist. The beach doesn’t belong to you or anyone else. Anyone is allowed to be there.<<

          That is a lazy and tired response.  Paid parking is already required in much of Seattle, as others have noted.  Paid entry/parking is required at state and national parks except on the rare “free” days, and those parks “belong” to all of us, too.   Want to go hiking?  Buy a Discover or Northwest Forest Pass, or risk a big ticket.   Want to enjoy winter outdoor sports?  Buy a Sno-Park Permit or risk a big ticket.   Oh, you want to use the “groomed” trails?  That’ll cost extra.

          All of those things used to be free, as well.     Are you just as upset about the inequity imposed by those racist and classist fees?

          • WestSeattleBadTakes May 19, 2023 (12:04 pm)

            Ah yes, Alki Beach National Park. Totally comparable.

          • K May 19, 2023 (2:59 pm)

            Yes, actually.  Thank you for understanding how widespread the issue is.

        • Beach Tags May 19, 2023 (4:55 pm)

          To echo some of the comments others replied with, these are seasonal tags that cost $30 typically and would contribute significantly to some of the funding deficitsthat need to be overcome to take adequate measures to make the beach safer for everyone. The intentionally low cost is meant to make the beach accessible to anyone. 

  • Michelle May 19, 2023 (6:17 am)

    I was in attendance at the meeting but am not sure what “emphasis” patrols mean. 

    • WSB May 19, 2023 (8:39 am)

      It means added officers assigned to a specific area of concern.

      • Michelle May 19, 2023 (8:54 am)

        Thanks. Is there anything more specific that is shared? For example, numbers of officers, location, hours, or what they do? 

        • WSB May 19, 2023 (8:57 am)

          Varies.

  • waikikigirl May 19, 2023 (6:35 am)

    “the crowd on Alki were there because of an “event on TikTok” that police got “late word of” via a Parking Enforcement officer.” I never look on Tik Tok, heck, I’m not even on FB but something needs to be done about Tik Tok, all I ever hear is nothing but bad things about it and here is an example! I don’t know what the “Tik Tok event was but it drew an enormous amount of people to Alki that probably wouldn’t had been there and maybe this killing wouldn’t have happened.??? 🙁 I don’t know, just my opinion/observation.

  • Mike May 19, 2023 (6:51 am)

    “I would like to see police be able to be more proactive and less reactive”How about city employees and government officials be proactive.  SPD is severely understaffed, everything right now is reactive and even that is restricted by bad policies.  Saka’s comment just lost him my vote and he was a potential candidate I’d have voted for.  If he’s starting by putting blame on SPD already, that’s a bad sign.

  • Seattlite May 19, 2023 (8:31 am)

    Unifying as a community is a good thing.  The Alki community deserves to have peacefulness and orderliness.  People can enjoy Alki without infringing on others’ enjoyment.  Being civil is a first step.  Seattle’s police officers continue to do a great job even with a police officer shortage.

  • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (8:46 am)

    Oops, I forgot to attend! Did anyone mention extending the speed bumps that were recently installed on the skyline stretch? Because of that, they moved up to the beach area (where it is more family oriented and populated than the skyline area) and can be heard and seen racing all the time on nights and weekend evenings. Maybe if those were extended, it would force them out of that road completely and ensure others slow down. Might help stop the congregation of sketchy young adults that come specifically for that. Like it was noted, there is definitely a correlation between street racing and public safety. When 58 Ave was absolutely out of hand Saturday night, there was also smoke in the air because they were trying to show off their cars. Gangs of people leaning against their car looking sketchy and drinking, blocking the road, waving bottles around, dancing in front of cars trying to get by, armed illegally. This is the same block where a 15 year old was openly carrying a gun with a large magazine and was arrested shortly /before/ I drove by witnessing the lawless chaos that was persisting.

    More police actually enforcing laws and anti racing installments might both make the biggest impact. The answer that police can’t handle the beach if other things are going on, is not enough and not fair to this community who pays a lot of tax money. Like it was pointed out recently, none of the affordable housing was allocated to West Seattle and now they are blaming funding for a lack of police presence on the most populated beach in Seattle? Maybe a succession isn’t totally a no go? Clearly the answer should have been “our police are working so much over time and cannot keep up. Instead of paying them an arm and a leg in overtime and over working them, maybe we should instead hire more bodies with those funds” say aye? Sounds like we are still on the defund police campaign in most of Seattle. We will continue to go downhill on this slippery slope until that changes, too. 

    • WSB May 19, 2023 (8:52 am)

      The problem with police staffing is not lack of funds to hire. They have plenty of money for that currently. It’s finding the people to hire and the fact the hiring process takes a long time – training, academy, etc.

      • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (9:28 am)

        Thank you for the clarification on that regard. I misinterpreted it based on the crowdfunding/paid parking bit. A good talking point for the next meeting might be how do we get more police who left for the suburbs back to the city and in addition continue the point of what can we do other than police presence to deter the violence that is killing people in our community and creating an unsafe public space.

        • WSB May 19, 2023 (9:36 am)

          The money discussion got mixed in because traffic calming (an SDOT responsibility – speed bumps, signage, etc.) is what supposedly there’s no extra money for.

          • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (9:50 am)

            Got it – (duh brain) hopefully we can make some progress in these areas soon. Thank you!!

        • WestSeattleBadTakes May 19, 2023 (12:10 pm)

          If we cared about police and having enough of them, we would address the systemic issues that are driving this increase in desperation, homelessness, drug use, and of course crime (especially violent crime).

          Instead, we toss our hands up and say “there’s nothing that can be done, but hey police, you deal with it. You run into the line of fire, that is your job you know. What’s that? Can we make this less common? Nah. Nothing can be done.”

          I am sure many more would take up policing if they knew we were actually addressing these issues and they were an important part in implementing it.

          And there are solutions, but our citizens are so blinded by the American lie, they actively engage in making it worse.

        • Mel May 19, 2023 (1:18 pm)

          As a law enforcement family, I can tell you (almost) no amount of money will get officers back. It’s this entire city’s attitude toward police that needs to change. Seattle is a very anti- police culture and it’s exhausting working here. It really takes a toll on them mentally every day they go to work and have people yelling at them, flipping them off constantly, and much worse. Also knowing if they do have to make a split second decision, they won’t be supported and rather thrown under the bus by city officials. It’s a terrible place for an officer to work. Change seattles attitude on policing if you want more cops back.

          • my two cents May 19, 2023 (6:16 pm)

            @mel – so based on your comments, take it that you don’t feel SPD should have been on DOJ oversight? The “anti-police culture” wasn’t the result of the community suddenly being anti-police but a variety of factors.

          • Seattlite May 19, 2023 (6:46 pm)

            Thank you, Mel, for your reality-based comment.   It starts with voters doing their homework before voting.  Policies that protect and have citizens’ and police officers’ best interests at heart are sorely needed in this city.

          • West Seattle Resident May 19, 2023 (8:42 pm)

            @ Mel

            Cant believe people ever bought into these politics to begin with; You are right, many many left and how can we blame them? I work in social work and can understand a bit of the mentally draining portion, especially after some time feeling that – the burn out is real, I can’t imagine what it is like for cops in Seattle. Hopefully this wake up call will get the people who thought these politics made sense to finally get back their brains back and start voting the normal, good people in. Hopefully the voices of reason will actually be heard and not shouted over by defund the police bafoons. It’s a long process, this city has done a lot of damage, but it’s worth working on and talking about it. Thank you for your service and perspective!

          • CAM May 19, 2023 (11:16 pm)

            I am honestly interested in hearing about how we have determined that Seattle is “anti-police.” I am interested in seeing examples of police being “thrown under the bus” by city elected officials or city employees (other than by one individual elected official in particular). Every other government employee or division of government is absolutely trashed and maligned in the comments of this blog on a daily basis merely for the fact that they chose to take a government job and therefore must be completely incompetent, but people questioning the police and their actions at any scale for anything is responded to as if a person is anti American. Of course police have tough jobs. Part of the reason that job is hard is the scrutiny, but also, the scrutiny is essential because the job is so hard. If police don’t wish to have their actions scrutinized by the public they should not be police, and I am fine with that. 

  • Rick May 19, 2023 (9:13 am)

    How about actually enforcing the laws in place and when convicted, make it hurt? 

    • Jort May 19, 2023 (9:53 am)

      When people are convicted, we already do “make it hurt.” America incarcerates more people than any other OECD country, in fact, our incarceration rate is more than twice as much as the next closest country, Turkey. If locking people up reduced crime, then America would have the lowest crime levels in the world. Have you considered thinking about why countries with lower crime rates also have lower incarceration rates? 

  • chad May 19, 2023 (9:23 am)

    Alki should be pedestrian only on weekend nights. No cars down the ave solves all of these problems without new cops or new parking fees. We do this all the time around the lake shore, for times of increased pedestrian traffic. Cars need to be banned on weekend nights. 

    • Socialcontract May 19, 2023 (10:33 am)

      Do you know if the closures around the lake shore are all organized by the city or is there a local HOA-type group that does it? Since the city isn’t moving fast enough for some concerned citizens I’m wondering if there’s a critical mass of local residents who could take some action themselves.

  • oerthehillz May 19, 2023 (10:09 am)

    How about let’s put a traffic/toll camera at each end and anyone driving through without a good to go gets a big phat ticket. I’m betting a lot of these punks don’t bother with the Good To Go system. Or, their moms are paying the toll bills.;-( I know I’m just shooting in the dark, but something’s got to change.

  • I Love Alki May 19, 2023 (10:13 am)

    I wonder who from SDOT we can contact with these traffic calming ideas? I.e., paid parking and zoned parking. 

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