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September 27, 2012 at 11:51 pm #605024
skeeterParticipantI’m curious what people think about the Governor’s race here in Washington. I’m pretty familiar with McKenna but I hardly know anything about Inslee. Anyone spend much time thinking about this election?
September 28, 2012 at 12:55 am #772516
shihtzuParticipantI don’t know if I’ve ever voted for a republican, but I’ve always liked McKenna and just might vote for him.
September 28, 2012 at 2:51 am #772517
birdrescuerParticipantOh no Oh no!!!! McKenna is a sneak and a liar. He is the one who sued to take away our new health care benefits even though all the officials of the state asked him to desist. He has also been against women on a number of issues (that I can’t recall right now)
INSLEE is a wise, articulate man. He has served in the legislature from both sides of the mountains. Do check out his web site.http://www.jayinslee.com/
Clinton was here last week talking about how smart Inslee is. Inslee has had a book out for a couple of years about how to create jobs in the state.
September 28, 2012 at 3:39 am #772518
clark5080ParticipantWow Birdrescuer did you write one of the TV spots for Inslee?
September 28, 2012 at 4:01 am #772519
BonnieParticipantI would never vote for McKenna after he sued to take away the health benefits. (and no, I have never seen a single Inslee tv spot. I don’t have cable and haven’t seen a single one)
September 28, 2012 at 4:10 am #772520
redblackParticipantall of you who are going to check the box for mckenna based on right-to-life should know that, as AG, he upheld the state legislature’s law stating that the catholic church should pay for its employees’ contraception under its health care plan.
sorry. he’s a traitor to the teabagger cause.
mckenna is basically a conservative democrat, same as all other washington state republicans. (except for rossi.)
vote for inslee instead. at least inslee doesn’t contradict his own party’s platform.
nah. never mind. the whole thing is hopeless, and you should just “stay home.” :)
September 28, 2012 at 4:20 am #772521
NFiorentiniMemberMcKenna opposes allowing consenting adults marry because they’re the same gender. That tells me that he’s another Theocrat who thinks his superstition is the ultimate arbiter of morality.
As a supporter of individual liberty, I will be voting for Inslee.
September 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm #772522
c@lbobMemberI’m going to vote for Kim Wyman for Secretary of State, but McKenna is a bridge too far (right) for me.
I’m for Wyman because she has the professional skills to do the job. I once assumed that to be true of McKenna as Attorney General.
But his stunt, joining the other righties in the suit against the The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, revealed him as just another political hack.
His statement after the Supreme Court decision against the suit was, in part: “While we’re disappointed that this close decision did not find in the states’ favor with regard to the individual mandate, the country benefits from a thoughtful debate about the reach of federal power into the legal rights of the states…”
L’État c’est Moi, eh Rob?
Well, he was clearly not worrying much about the rights of state residents, IMHO. I don’t want state officials using their office to increase their visibility.
And when they are wrong, to boot, they should get the boot.
September 28, 2012 at 3:57 pm #772523
skeeterParticipantBonnie – McKenna did not “sue to take away the health benefits.” McKenna sued the Federal Government because he believed that the individual mandate component of the PPACA violated the commerce clause. Four out of nine justices agreed and five disagreed. I don’t think McKenna had a problem with the rest of the law, including the “health benefits” that the law included.
September 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm #772524
c@lbobMemberWithout the individual mandate, the law would collapse attempting to cover a huge pool of people with existing health problems because of young, healthier people refusing to buy coverage.
Now, I think encouraging a system that guarantees customers to health care insurance companies is a lousy way to acheive a national health care system.
But, it’s better than what we had.
September 28, 2012 at 5:01 pm #772525
HuindekmiParticipantThis year’s gubernatorial race is disappointing.
McKenna has given me a few reasons NOT to vote for him – his stance on marriage equality, his unilateral choice to embroil the state in a healthcare reform lawsuit, and some of his budget ideas are going in the wrong direction, in my opinion.
Inslee, on the other hand, has yet to give me a reason TO vote for him. He is consistently vague on policy questions – seemingly trying to follow the Romney model of refusing to give any specifics until after he’s elected. Sorry, that don’t fly for either man.
So, I’m stuck with a guy whose policies I don’t like or a guy whose policies I don’t know. Just dandy.
September 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm #772526
elikapekaParticipantI agree with Huindekmi. I wish Inslee would be more specific on his plans and policy positions.
But I’m going to vote for him, and there are two reasons why.
First, as others have said, I disagree with McKenna’s positions on the healthcare lawsuit, his stand on marriage equality and some economic issues.
But another reason I can’t vote for him is after seeing what Republicans did at the state level in 2010. In states where they won governorships and/or control of state legislatures, they embraced radical positions on labor rights, voter suppression, women’s reproductive rights, restricting access to social services, immigration and other issues that they did not campaign on. They campaigned on the economy and then did absolutely nothing on that front. It was something that happened in state after state – MI, WI, PA, OH, FL to name a few – and it was clearly a concerted and coordinated effort. So at this point I cannot trust any Republican, even one who campaigns as a moderate, because I’ve seen what their real agenda is. I have voted for Republicans in the past because I have always voted for the candidate and not the party, and I would have taken a look at McKenna, but not with the party’s current track record and positions.
September 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm #772527
kootchmanMemberRadical positions… like balancing budgets?
September 28, 2012 at 7:29 pm #772528
BonnieParticipantThanks for clearing that up skeeter. I still won’t vote for him.
September 28, 2012 at 7:46 pm #772529
elikapekaParticipantNo, Kootchman, not like balancing budgets. I see you’re changing the subject again. All states with the exception of Vermont address balanced budgets either by statute or their constitution, so that’s really not a partisan issue on a state level.
I am referring to the extreme positions mentioned in my first post, most of which do not affect budgets one way or the other; and more important, the fact that these were concerted efforts carried out in multiple states, yet the party didn’t have the courage of their convictions to campaign on those issues. They won’t get another chance from me to try it here.
September 28, 2012 at 7:55 pm #772530
clark5080ParticipantAs far as the labor issue goes McKenna has stated several times he will not go down that path but work with labor groups
September 28, 2012 at 8:00 pm #772531
elikapekaParticipantClark, that’s what Scott Walker in Wisconsin said when he was running too. We saw how that turned out.
September 28, 2012 at 8:46 pm #772532
NFiorentiniMemberI think that McKenna’s being a bigot trumps whatever economic ideas he may have.
It’s analogous to living in Alabama in the ’60s and still supporting George Wallace because you believe that he has great ideas for improving the economy.
Sorry, but give me a choice of two candidates who DON’T believe that discrimination should be codified into law, and *then* I’ll look at their positions on the other issues.
September 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm #772533
skeeterParticipantBoth candidates say they would spend more money on education. But they have been vague about how they would pay for it. McKenna has stated that revenue increases would be considered. (He is open to increased taxes.) I’m not sure how Inslee plans to pay for the increased education spending.
I think it will be a close race. Look at the front page of the Times from last Sunday. Washington students have really fallen when it comes to going to college. From 1992 to 2008 we went from 11th to 46th. Which party controlled the WA legislature and executive branch from 1992 to 2008? Seems to me like a lot of folks would be ready for change.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019235084_collegegoing23m.html
September 28, 2012 at 9:34 pm #772534
skeeterParticipantNFiorentini – was president Obama a bigot from 2008-2011 when he publicly stated that he believed states should only recognize marriages between a man and a woman?
I really want to understand. Thank you.
September 28, 2012 at 9:41 pm #772535
NFiorentiniMemberSkeeter – In answer to you question, I would have to say absolutely yes. But President Obama did change his mind, knowing that it probably cost him some support amongst African-American Christians who are every bit as socially conservative as their Caucasian counterparts.
If McKenna displays the courage to change his mind regarding his own bigotry, I’ll listen to him.
September 28, 2012 at 9:58 pm #772536
skeeterParticipantGot it thanks. President Obama was a bigot from 2008-2011. But now he is no longer a bigot. Thank you.
September 28, 2012 at 10:08 pm #772537
NFiorentiniMemberSkeeter-I myself was a bigot, from about 1993 to 2000-ish when I was a Christian (Southern Baptist/Pentacostal). Once I realized that I was wrong, I changed my mind.
I don’t believe that changing one’s mind should reflect poorly on a person. It ain’t easy for someone to admit being wrong, especially someone whose political career is on the line. Especially especially a president in the midst of a reelection campaign.
I hope one day that McKenna also has the courage to change his mind on this issue.
September 28, 2012 at 11:10 pm #772538
skeeterParticipantNFiorentini – I don’t doubt your sincerity. I think we just have different definitions of the term “bigot.”
Am I a bigot if I believe cocaine use should be illegal? Am I a bigot if I believe that no one under the age of 18 should be allowed to get a driver’s license? Am I a bigot if I believe polygamy should not be recognized by the state?
It seems like some folks are trying to redefine the term bigot to mean “an individual who has a view different than my own.”
If people believe a law is discriminatory or unfair, then by all means work to change it. But calling people who disagree with you a bigot is, in my opinion, inappropriate.
September 28, 2012 at 11:30 pm #772539
NFiorentiniMemberSkeeter – You just likened gay couples who want to marry and to have access to the same rights as heterosexual couples to cocaine abusers and polygamists.
But being called a “bigot” strikes you as *inappropriate*.
Wow.
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