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October 2, 2012 at 11:49 pm #772565
Genesee HillParticipantI will proudly vote for Robbie when the hell that I do not believe exists, freezes over.
October 2, 2012 at 11:53 pm #772566
NFiorentiniMemberOctober 3, 2012 at 2:47 pm #772567
NFiorentiniMemberWell…I watched that. I don’t know if I learned anything new, but it was the first time that I’ve seen either candidate talk, aside from the ads.
In the interest of fairness, they should’ve given both candidates hand microphones once it was determined that McKenna’s microphone couldn’t be fixed. Oh well. Not a big deal, I guess.
I don’t think there was much in this debate that was substantive, so like most political debates these days, it’s probably one-hour beauty contest over likability.
If I’m casting for The Incredibles 2, Rob McKenna would be my choice to play a grown-up Syndrome. There’s just something about him that looks villainous, but with just a hint of comedy.
I cannot fathom a metric (or an alternative universe) in which McKenna comes across as likable. Last night, he was snippy, confrontational, unpleasant…akin to a ticked-off chihuahua who has had one-too-many espresso shots.
Inslee, on the other hand, looked like an SEC football coach. At any moment he could start urging the media and the fans to not overlook this week’s opponent, Our Lady of the Bleeding Knees College. And he was careful with the coachspeak as to not to say something that could give away the gameplan, less Bleeding Knees College gets an idea that would help them beat the 54-point spread.
It was funny how each candidate tried to tie the other to something unpopular. Every statement that McKenna made regarding Inslee was preceded by “Congressman” and he tried to make sure viewers never forgot that Inslee was a part of that vile institution. And Inslee made sure that everyone knew McKenna’s political allegiance was to Rmoney.
For whatever reason, the moderators didn’t bring up marriage equality. I was hoping to see McKenna defend the indefensible – state sanctioned discrimination and bigotry. But alas, we were robbed of potential comedy gold.
My mind wasn’t going to be changed with this debate. Nevertheless, it was interesting. I guess.
October 3, 2012 at 10:46 pm #772568
DBPMemberThank you, NF! I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and look forward to more in the same vein.
I have essentially the same reaction to McKenna as you do — just a visceral dislike of the guy, no matter what he’s saying. Yeah, I know . . . I should be able to rise above that and base my vote solely on the candidates’ politics.
Sorry.
BTW: What IS McKenna’s position on “marriage equality” anyway? I’m guessing he’s neutral to left. Otherwise, I’d think Inslee would’ve exploited that.
October 3, 2012 at 11:53 pm #772569
dhgParticipantNF: Great review of the debates. McKenna scares me because he is bright and articulate which will attract votes. When he starts talking about educational funding he really sounds like he knows what he’s talking about. The right doesn’t usually support anyone with an IQ above 100 because, you know, you can’t trust them. So he’s a rare one.
October 4, 2012 at 3:43 am #772570
NFiorentiniMemberDBP – McKenna’s website doesn’t address marriage equality but here’s one quote, courtesy of the PI (in an otherwise ridiculous article):
“My private view is that domestic partners and same sex (couples) ought to enjoy all the rights — the legal rights to inherit, to visit each other in the hospital, the whole panoply of rights — but my view of marriage is based on my religious faith. And so I have a hard time getting there.”
This issue is hard only for people like McKenna.
DHG – You mean those “…elite, smart people…” who’ll never be Republicans? ;)
The hardcore progressive in the house had previously voted for McKenna as attorney general, so I definitely agree that he’s capable of appealing to people of different political persuasions. Perhaps there’s a REAL McKenna deep inside Candidate McKenna that would be more rational if he weren’t pandering to…well..the typical GOPer.
During tonight’s presidential debate, I thought that Rmoney pulled off what McKenna failed to do – be aggressive without being whiny (the real word that I want to use begins with “pr” and ends in “ish”).
October 4, 2012 at 9:22 am #772571
kootchmanMemberAs long as domestic partners get all the benefits and privileges from a civil union… that’s ok with me. Desperation to be called married … that’s the argument. It’s a validation issue. You can call yourself whatever you want. Maybe the state should just stop recognizing marriage… period. File it under contract law.
October 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm #772572
JoBParticipantkootch..
the contract you make with the state is called marriage
the contract you make with your church is called a blessing
“we come together today to bless this woman and this man in a state of holy matrimony…”
why is this separation of church and state thing so difficult for Republicans to understand?
October 4, 2012 at 1:24 pm #772573
NFiorentiniMemberWhat Kootchman is talking about is a relatively old idea which has been referred to as the “privatization” of marriage. Why do we need a government definition of marriage at all?
(I can’t find the column itself, but there are plenty of references to it online via your favorite search engine.)
I actually like the idea. I first came across this back in the early 2000s via an article written by Michael Kinsley, who is considered by most people, to be a liberal columnist.
For right now though, as long as there are people wanting to define marriage along what they call “biblical values,” then you need an equal force opposing that goofiness.
October 4, 2012 at 3:07 pm #772574
miwsParticipantDesperation to be called married …
No, what is desperation is the segment of those people that are against gay marriage, that believe that it gay marriage will be the fiery ruination of society…
Mike
October 5, 2012 at 12:14 am #772575
BostonmanMemberDon’t know why people bother to ask these questions on here. Is anyone really surprised about the opinions expressed in this topic. Inslee would have to shoot someone for anyone here to vote for McKenna and even then they just wouldn’t vote.
Its like asking the Klu Klux Klan if they like black people.
October 5, 2012 at 12:36 am #772576
Genesee HillParticipantPerhaps, Bostonman, because it is fun and entertaining. Some people like watching ‘Dancing with the Stars’…hehe
October 5, 2012 at 12:45 am #772577
NFiorentiniMemberI agree, Bostonman. People who oppose marriage equality are indeed just like the Ku Klux Klan. The reasons that I wouldn’t vote for David Duke as governor are the same reasons why I won’t vote for McKenna.
October 5, 2012 at 12:58 am #772578
DBPMemberNF don’t let the kootchman bait you. He’s really good at that. (I been there.)
I get the sense you wanna have a conversation about “marriage equality.” Is that right? Maybe we could start another thread. I tried it one time before with dobro, but emotions ran pretty high and it didn’t end well.
I don’t agree with you that people who favor traditional marriage are like the KKK, but I don’t like the kootchman’s “desperation to be called married” terminology either. Maybe there’s some middle ground where we could have a discussion and agree to just keep an open mind about it.
???
October 5, 2012 at 1:12 am #772579
NFiorentiniMemberDBP – When people believe that others are not entitled to their full range of rights, not because they are guilty of some crime, but because of *who they are*, it’s exactly the same ideology as that espoused by the likes of the KKK.
I don’t know what there is to discuss about this. And I don’t know why people like McKenna think this is so damned hard.
The discussion that I would prefer to have is regarding a fiscally-responsible party that doesn’t pander to the lowest common denominator of Americans. But that’s fantasy land stuff right now.
October 6, 2012 at 2:41 pm #772580
DBPMember>>I don’t know what there is to discuss about [gay marriage].
–OK, so why do you keep bringing it up?
>>And I don’t know why people like McKenna think this is so damned hard.
–Guess what. People like him don’t know why people like you think it’s so damned hard either.
And there are lots of people like him.
(See also “Black churches.” See also “the entire state of Kansas.”)
You wonder why people don’t want to engage with you on this subject? I’ll tell you why. It’s because the price of admission to your club is too high. Before someone can even have a “debate” with you, they have to admit that you’re right and they’re wrong. [Chances of that happening: 0]
If you wanna chat about this, I’m game, as long as you agree to get down off your high-horse. But if you’d rather stay up there waving your flag around for me to take potshots at, I’m cool with that too.
In the meantime, watch out for those Klansmen. I hear the woods are thick with ’em.
October 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm #772581
JoBParticipantBostonman..
there is a very confusing billboard up some place on capital hill..
it is supposed to represent progressives and conservatives for McKenna…
as though he is some mid line nice guy that everyone can agree on.
there is a lot of deceptive information out there and that is why we talk about the governor’s race here…
people who don’t spend the time researching politics get the opportunity to hear the opinions of those who do..
and the chance to follow a quick link that backs those opinions.
You are right, these discussions aren’t’ likely to change the minds of those who participate in them.. but they do have a way of distilling the arguments… thus helping people to become better informed voters
and if we entertain along the way.. cool
It has become all too common for people to write politics off as a competition.. without realizing that the outcome of this game will affect your life in ways that the outcome of a sporting match never will.
I wouldn’t vote for McKenna if he was a democrat..
simply because i don’t believe that his priorities for governing this state match mine…
unless of course he was running against someone whose priorities i considered much more dangerous to the well being of the citizens of this state.
unfortunatley, this is the case this year for me with the Presidential election.. even though the guy i am voting for is a democrat :(
but there you go. This republican lite democrat is still better than the extremist brand of republican we are facing in this election and i firmly believe that this election will either be a turning point for the American people or the beginning of the end for democracy.
However, i would vote for Jay Inslee if he was a Republican because he understands that global warming is going to become an issue even in Washington and has a long range plan to mitigate it’s effects…and that is going to radically effect quality of life here in Washington…
how you vote matters
it’s worth taking the time to ask yourself if you are making the best choices for yourself or just the easy ones.
October 6, 2012 at 3:26 pm #772582
NFiorentiniMemberDBP-I brought it up again because I was responding to you!
Here’s the deal. You’re going off the deep end (again!), so I’m going to start ignoring you like I do most of Kootchman’s inane babble. Adios!
October 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm #772583
DBPMember>>You’re going off the deep end (again!), so I’m going to start ignoring you . . .
–Better men than you have tried and failed at that, my friend. To ignore me is to ignore your own conscience. I’ll be the little dude on your shoulder always chirruping into your ear. . .
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 Don’t be a bully!
 Do the RIGHT thing.
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October 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm #772584
waynsterParticipantThe biggest question is why hasn’t Robbie had his picture taken with lord willard or his friend his royal highness Paul….He is afraid the king county wont vote for him if he truly shows off his red stripe that runs down next to the yellow one…. Think Scott Walker you got Rob McKenna a low life snake who will only think and do what teapublicans want him too and that’s tear down this state and try to make it red….McKenna can’t even come out and say he likes mitt and co. nor will he take a picture with him… he is chicken when it comes down to it a moderate my ass if he truly was then he wouldn’t have sued to overturn obamacare….. he does indorse our state and national teapulican platform and that’s a dangerous in is own right….
October 8, 2012 at 6:05 am #772585
kootchmanMemberThis would be the apex of an NF commentary… silly, silly … one is not like the other….
“The reasons that I wouldn’t vote for David Duke as governor are the same reasons why I won’t vote for McKenna.
we call that a dead inventory write off….. ya’ll are hooting funny.. you get a moderate… who is by no definition a conservative.. and you pillory him for trying to be a centrist… there is no reward in trying to meet the loonie left somewhere in a middle ground. It is a moronic statement.
I agree with ya JoB … if we get Obama… it’s time to call it quits the union is toxic. Let the 11 blue states make up their own confederation. we don’t need em… or really want them. They are not of sturdy enough stock to be a self governing people. They fail the test of viability. Maybe we can do a land swap… tuck ya’ll in a far corner with contiguous borders. You can take WA DC with ya.
October 8, 2012 at 1:31 pm #772586
redblackParticipantLet the 11 blue states make up their own confederation. we don’t need em… or really want them.
oh, thank god. it’s finally working.
hey, good luck with your sewer systems and electric grid. not sure what you’re going to do about the meth problem or all of the poverty out there in the hinterlands, but, again, good luck.
what are you planning on calling your randian utopia? the rugged individual christian states of america or something?
that’s funny about the land swap. but you know, if that happened, and you all had to hire people to unload container ships and run rail lines, you’d have creeping socialism and syndicalism again in no time.
so we’ll just keep what we’ve built over here, thanks. we’ll let you start over on a clean slate with no labor laws or wage guarantees.
maybe you guys can sell us corn or something.
October 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm #772587
JoBParticipantkootch
“I agree with ya JoB … if we get Obama… it’s time to call it quits the union is toxic. Let the 11 blue states make up their own confederation. we don’t need em… or really want them. They are not of sturdy enough stock to be a self governing people. They fail the test of viability. Maybe we can do a land swap… tuck ya’ll in a far corner with contiguous borders. You can take WA DC with ya. “
honey, i don’t know what you are drinking…
but without the income of the blue states, the red states couldn’t function at all.
In our own state.. the blue half creates income and the red half whines if it is spent on the income producers:(
it’s a good thing you aren’t getting your fantasy any time soon.. you can’t afford it.
beyond that, did you think that i would let that “I agree with JoB” slide?
You don’t agree with me at all.
I point out that Rob McKenna is definately not a moderate and you declare him one?
I point out that Obama leans too far to the right but that leaning all the way to the right would be disastrous
and you think somehow i am endorsing Mitt Romney?
You really do have to read the entire argument to understand it’s content kootch…
cherry picking what you think are key words and responding to them just doesn’t cut it.
In another post you talked about rational folks..
i think you are confusing two words.. rational and rationale
i would look them up for you.. but i think a little tough love is in order here.
You will remember the difference better if you look them up for yourself.
that’s what mom said.. and it turns out she was right :)
Oh.. and before you cherry pick your definition…
i refer to the explanation part of the definition of rationale
the other requires actual evidence that is sorely lacking here.
October 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm #772588
miwsParticipantkootch, we get dibs on the sun, and a moderate amount of wind!
You guys don’t want to make use of them for clean energy anyway!
Mike
October 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm #772589
BostonmanMemberThem blue states best stop helping those red states or they are going to be bankrupt.
Nevermind, its actually blue states that have some of the largest unfunded liabilities on pensions. I guess when you want to pay everyone and only take from a few thats what happens.
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