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October 17, 2012 at 9:09 pm #774077
sb in wsMemberOh and I forgot to say how easy it is for people to give up a job and go find one that will provide coverage for contraception. Yeah, that’s real easy. And no it’s not Obama’s fault.
October 17, 2012 at 9:13 pm #774078
kootchmanMemberReally? And did you happen to note who is on President Obamas jobs council? In fact is the chair of it? That would be the president of GE… wanna see their tax liability for the past decade? Or would you like to review their shipping of their medical imaging unit to China for manufacturing? Course since Obama hasn’t met with his jobs council since he appointed them more than twice… it ranks up there with his Deficit Reduction and Budget Blue Ribbon Panel (Simpson Bowles) and his meetings with his national security team during the Bhenghazi terrorist attack.. oh wait.. he was in Vegas and CO fund raising again. Meet your “blue ribbon” jobs advisor… you are too funny.
http://www.ge.com/company/leadership/ceo.html
ABC news
And should the CEO of GE, Jeffrey Immelt, be advising the president on business?
For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much.
“Simplify, eliminate loopholes, treat everybody fairly,” Obama said in February.
Enjoy the audio…
Since Immelt became CEO… GE has had a net loss in US jobs and expanded their overseas workforce…. golly gee!
October 17, 2012 at 9:24 pm #774079
kootchmanMembersee sb .. proven point. Pell grants fuel inflation of college costs.. colleges have no incentive to keep tuition, salaries, benefits, in check when they know Pell grants will cover the costs. Do you even note that college costs have skyrocketed with the greater availability of Pell grants? See what happened to housing prices when cheap, easy to get mortgage money was around? Eco 101… that which is subsidized rises in cost. Trade a life of debt for a grant and federal student loan program? Also kills the economy, indentured graduates have less economic activity.
October 17, 2012 at 9:41 pm #774080
dobroParticipant“Pell grants fuel inflation of college costs…”
Why did Romney tell student Jeremy Epstein in the very first question of the debate that he would “protect Pell grants”? Seems like Mittsy missed your talking points memo.
October 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm #774081
JanSParticipantKootch…I never said I had exclusive and proprietary knowledge about the female gender and inequality.So don’t be putting words in my mouth…but you sure did offend me today…like you give a damn.
Funny thing about those binders…seems that women’s groups gave them to him, not because he asked, but because they knew he was part of the “men’s club” and were worried about him only appointing men.
October 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm #774082
365StairsParticipantI watched every minute closely. I hate these are so little about substance as they are about appearances and supposed ability. The president certainly appeared more presidential – what ever that means. With the world stage watching…you would think a few more manners would be displayed…but it was mostly civil.
Why should there need to be “Fact Checkers” or “Truth Squads” with the candidates? Do they honestly believe we won’t go out and see if what they said was true? The information they both spout about each others defects or pieces of plans should be readily available and known as “these are the facts of the most pressing issues today – NO SPIN”, and posted for all of us to see. Real facts…not estimates. This is no time for estimates…your teams are smarter than this.
How about a big red “X” box over each candidates chair when they get caught in an untruth? Or the moderator gets to buzz them for too much bullshit?
Exaggeration or outright falsehoods or even accepting credit for something you only played a role in are annoying enough.
Repeatedly spouting figures (big numbers) for the sake of spouting %’s, $ figures, mis-promises…about what each other didn’t do…boring.
Forgetting your talking points…forgivable in the heat of the moment…but for the questioner’s sake…answer the question directly! No round about bs about what you did or he didn’t do…
“What are you going to do about getting assault weapons off the street?” (while a complex issue…they didn’t answer it!).
“My 5 point plan…”
Details boys…details…We should not have to search your website or have interpretation from mis-guided news heads about your plan.
Sadly…still undecided…
Gut is telling me that our President has not had enough time to prove himself…(kind of always thought president terms should be 6 years anyway).
Nagging feeling is telling me it could get worse and if 2 years down the road…we have voting remorse.
October 17, 2012 at 10:36 pm #774083
waynsterParticipantHeck if it wasn’t for all them binders full of women mitt would had a heck of time picking out who he wanted …..and if all them single women who raised kids all by them self’s had husbands we wouldn’t have gun violence among our inner city youths….lmao…..kman looks like the Messiah (as you call the president) climbed the mountain last night and crushed mitt at his own game….
October 17, 2012 at 11:39 pm #774084
kootchmanMemberHe did? I don’t think so. 2/3 of those surveyed didn’t think so. 41% gave Obama the edge, 34% called it for Romney, and the rest called it a tie. .. that’s a crushing? OK then… Benghazi is coming up Monday… and the defunct Al Qaida ? I see Obama dropped reference to it in his two stump speeches… he ain’t crowing about crushing them anymore. If that’s the highest mountain he climbs, no need for oxygen masks! But let’s stay with NF… I like her track..
If you like $5.00 gas.. wait.. do you remember Stephen Chu NF? The one who testified before congress that the energy secretary should not try and reduce gas prices? The one that said we should let gas prices rise to European levels? About $8.20 per gallon? That would take about $3200 dollars out of every household income in the country. If you thought $5.00 gallon was high.. wait until a second Obama term… you might hit $10 per gallon… !! If you like $5 gal gas.. vote for Obama, you will love $10 gallon. Think it might increase food prices, commuting costs? Trips for the kids to soccer, school? See how that fits NF? Of course Obama ran from $5 gas like a scalded chicken last night… oh no… not during elections. But we know … don’t we? It’s from his cap and trade mentality.
““Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73138.html#ixzz29bPkahgd
Looks like the have figured it out! way to look out for the middle class!
Y’know and I know it’s not always possible to have two parent homes… but Romney was right… two parent homes are financially more sound, have greater resources, and yes… sorry to say.. but MOST violent offenders come from single parent homes. Good dads do make a hell of a difference in violence and crime. See Chicago. The blood bath that is Chicago .. gang participation…. single parent homes dominate membership. Not a PC thing to say is it? Dads supervise their kids, provide role models…add more social mobility to live in safer, more secure communities.
October 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm #774085
kootchmanMemberwhy Jan.. this is your post..
Being a man, what the f*c% do you know about female gender equality?
You just laid claim to gender knowledge … being a woman and all.
October 18, 2012 at 12:10 am #774086
dobroParticipantKeep on spinnin’…the real poll is just around the corner.
October 18, 2012 at 12:24 am #774087
JanSParticipantI do know a bit about female gender inequality, being a woman and all..but I’m not the final, decisive answerer for anyone else….as you seem to be
October 18, 2012 at 2:06 am #774088
365StairsParticipanthttp://m.cnbc.com//id/46821859/Pump_Primer_What_Makes_Gasoline_Prices_Rise
Kootch. Nobody wants 5$ gas but sorry the president or any other politician can’t do much about the world market oil is traded on. Even our own drilling will have little impact if / when we grow that.
The candidates know this and both failed to answer the honest process because both want to please everyone.
5$ gas + is possible but not because of anything the president can do / not do.
October 18, 2012 at 3:11 am #774089
kootchmanMemberNo.. Obama set out on a deliberate course to implement cap and trade and appointed an energy secretary with the stated objective of raising carbon fuel prices. Indeed, Obama said it.. his goal was to bankrupt coal. Now, as discussed, the world is largely still dollar denominated commodities. Commodities will rise rise rise .. and quantitative easing will do that. Cheap dollars means commodities will cost more. Proof? See the price of gold? 1700 plus per ounce… it’s a metal, a commodity.. as is oil, as is wheat, corn, soy beans. If you believe monetary policy doesn’t affect market prices, especially when the dollar is being devalued… I point to why candidates do NOT do much more to address substantive issues…. the voters won’t understand much of what they say. So we get… what we get.
Here’s some post debate polls for ya dobro..
CNN “fact checkers” don’t even know the difference between an assault weapons and automatic weapons. Romney was correct, automatic weapons ARE illegal CNN said the ban expired in 2004… oh hell it did. That’s how F’d up the liberal press is.. they don’t even understand the topics they poll.
CBS
By a 37%-30% margin, a CBS News poll conducted after the second debate also indicated that Obama won the showdown. The rest called it a tie.
This one should scare ya… Frank Luntz focus group… selected undecided voters, who voted for Obama… OVERHELMINGLY stated after the debate.. they are voting for Romney
It’s revealing WHY women are switching from Obama to Romney… don’t watch it though… you might get information!
And the MOST important pol number….
62 per cent give Romney the edge in handling the economy to Obama’s 37%…. that’s the election… not $9.99 birth control benefits, not same sex marriage, … it’s dollars and cents.
Deficits, taxes, and the economy…. Romney holds double digit leads over Obama.
October 18, 2012 at 3:52 am #774090
redblackParticipantthanks for everyone’s thoughtful comments!
however, here’s a comment from k00otch that’s not so thoughtful, and its intent is to mislead:
If you took the top 10 per cent to 90% of their total income… you would run the federal government for 3 months.
first of all, no one has ever – ever! – proposed taxing 100% of anyone’s income over $250,000. therefore, no one has ever calculated what such a draconian tax system would look like. in fact, back in the day, the top marginal rate affected incomes from anywhere from over $400,000 to $1 million. and that was back when the dollar was worth a lot more than it is now.
in fact, i’d like some clarification from you, ko0tch, that you understand what top marginal tax rates are. because that statement doesn’t instill confidence.
secondly, the running narrative from republicans is that the deficits and subsequent debts are high because of “entitlements” to poor people who would rather collect a check from the government than earn an honest day’s living – and that that is all that the federal government is good for these days: redistributing hard-working, ambitious people’s incomes to shiftless poor people.
don’t deny it, republicans. whether or not you are honest enough to admit it, that’s the implication, and you damned well know it.
so what i want to know from republicans – people who want to put a cutthroat CEO in charge of the largest and most diverse economy in the history of mankind – is…
where the *$%&*! is my entitlement?
look. you all and the right honorable lord bishop willard “mitt” romney claim that government is handing democrats everything that they have in life thanks to barack hussein obama stealing your hard work and property.
if that’s the case, miws, jan, me, and every other lefty here should be living large on your dime, and you should be rummaging through salvation army stores for kids’ clothes.
instead, unemployment among people who actually work for a living is dropping – albeit slowly – tax rates are at rock-bottom, and the value of the dow 30 is at historic highs.
so how do you plan to sell lord bishop romney’s narrative to the “undecided?”
October 18, 2012 at 3:55 am #774091
redblackParticipanti’d also like to hear a little bit more about what people think of willard’s superiority complex, or if it was as obvious to anyone else as it was to me.
you don’t necessarily have to disagree with willard’s policies to notice his demeanor.
do you?
October 18, 2012 at 4:26 am #774092
JoBParticipantkootch..
why do you think the Koch brothers and other employers who are funding those nifty citizens united enabled ads are telling their employees that if they vote for Obama the company can’t guarantee their jobs?
they make jobs general.. not specific.. barely skirting the law on making a vote for their candidate a requirement of their individual employment..
but why do you think they feel they have to do that?
do you think it’s because they have figured out that the people who work for them have figured out that voting for Romney is not in their best interests?
Generally, you don’t have to badger people into voting for something that is in their best interests.. do you?
October 18, 2012 at 4:27 am #774093
JanSParticipantMitt Romney has been a CEO all his life. He’s used to getting/having his way in all things. He gets this petulant “how dare you” look when he is shown he is wrong, or when the moderator corrects him. I don’t think he has the demeanor to be the leader of all of this country.
October 18, 2012 at 4:28 am #774094
JoBParticipantkootch..
and while i am at it.. let’s examine that personal conscience thing..
have you wondered why it is that some churches don’t trust their parishioners and/or employers to exercise their personal conscience when it comes to birth control?
could it be that today’s families can’t afford to do without family planning?
You say you couldn’t…
October 18, 2012 at 4:52 am #774095
365StairsParticipantMr Romney has long been sheltered from being confronted by real challenge. His worst days are likely some of our best.
I applaud his business knowledge and many (not all) of the true success he’s achieved. His confidence is strong and he appears passionate and his core beliefs.
Were he to be elected, he will need a strong slice of humble pie and try to lay down his privileged nature and unrealistic expectations or his vision of The People.
And for the sake of argument…detail your plan! How ya pay for it? What? Do you believe the President will steal it ?
October 18, 2012 at 5:30 am #774096
dobroParticipant“I applaud his business knowledge…”
He got his biz knowledge the same way GWB did-his Daddy’s connections. He had all his “success”handed to him on a plate and thinks he “built it”. He’s an arrogant pr*ck and it shows. just because a person is rich doesn’t mean he’s smart, nice, or anything else. It just means he’s rich.
October 18, 2012 at 8:04 am #774097
HMC RichParticipant365 Stairs, check out Dobro’s last statement. Not very nice. That is why you should think twice about voting for Obama. The bottom line, they think they know what is best for you. They want more government and dependence on government to “shelter” you.
You said your were undecided. I applaud your honesty. Others have denigrated the “undecided”. Where do they get off doing that!
When I was younger, I thought maybe that Jimmy Carter had not had enough time in office. I am so glad that Reagan won. I had just become old enough to vote and was swayed by relatives to vote for Carter. I have realized my error over time.
Romney’s plan has been proven. Obama’s plan or lack thereof now has been proven. The Republican plan of Lower tax rates for people and businesses creates jobs and send more money to the treasury. Revenues skyrocketed from the mid 80’s on. Mr. Clinton, even with a minor tax hike was the beneficiary of supply side economics.
JFK gave speeches regarding this very topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
This is two minutes long.
More interesting is this 8 minute video of a JFK speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8
This is why the Romney/Ryan plan is much closer to JFK. Biden and Obama want to grow government and raise taxes everywhere which as Kennedy shows us slows down growth and causes more unemployment and grows debt and budget deficits.
When I was younger it was not COOL to vote for Reagan, but I was glad I did in 84. Don’t vote for the Cool candidate, vote for the candidate that will help you. I can honestly say that this current President has done me more harm than good. I will be voting for Romney. You have to decide for yourself.
October 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm #774098
JanSParticipantRich…what is it, specifically, that Mr. Romney can do for you, if he becomes president?Specifically !
October 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm #774099
miwsParticipant….check out Dobro’s last statement. Not very nice. That is why you should think twice about voting for Obama
dobro’s “offensive”* comment is a moot point as to who would make the better President.
Why would I want to vote for a guy who has led a very privileged life, never truly wanted for anything, and seems so out of touch with the real world and those that have worked their asses off for years, simply to try and have a decent life?
I’d rather vote for a person that has had a fair amount of exposure to the real world, and who has truly helped them out, and not just had their Accountant cut a check for a token amount and toss it in the mail.
My god. With the obstacles that Obama had to overcome, to reach this point in his life, if he were a hardcore conservative, and dare I say fully Caucasian, in the eyes of some, but not all on the right, he’d damn near be put up on a pedestal and idolized for achieving that.
Mike
*Note: I put the word offensive in quotes, not because I don’t feel the comment was offensive, but because many on the right can come up with some pretty offensive stuff. Boy howdy, can they! My perception is that they are the pros at it, and the folks on the left that make offensive comments are the up and comers.
October 18, 2012 at 3:37 pm #774100
happywalkerParticipantI don’t understand how any woman or minority can still be “undecided”…
October 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm #774101
NFiorentiniMemberHMC Rich-Are you trying to imply that, since Obama=Carter, then Rmoney=Reagan??? Reagan wouldn’t be able to win the current GOPer’s nomination!
And this…
“The Republican plan of Lower tax rates for people and businesses creates jobs and send more money to the treasury…”
is a myth that has been repeated so often that many people (myself included, for a long time) take it as true. Macroeconomics is far more complicated than this soundbite suggests. And you would do yourself a great service if you spent an hour or two doing some Google research.
Also…
” Mr. Clinton, even with a minor tax hike was the beneficiary of supply side economics…”
Again, not accurate. Clinton benefited from being president during the tech boom whose beginnings go back to government-funded Arpanet. You would benefit here also from a little research because the tech bubble’s burst occurred during the waning days of Clinton’s term. It was March of 2000 when Dell Computers, for the first time in it’s history, laid workers off (living in Austin at the time).
Also, much of the “boom” from Clinton’s term came from deregulation which bit us in the hindquarters in September 2008.
And this thinking that “all taxes are bad” or that “all tax cuts are good” is overly simplistic to the point of being absurd.
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