sarah palin

[dawsonct]

Yeah rich, but I’m not telling everybody that gold raspberry lovers are going to ruin our nation and enslave our people.

Nice try, but LOUSY metaphor.

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[dawsonct]

Good luck hoop, you, and everybody else who wants to see change in their parties, will have MUCH more success taking over their chosen party from the grass roots. Go to the local Republican Party meeting, volunteer for a position, or just go and talk, and start to steer them in the direction YOU prefer.

Lot of people with a lot of money have tried to start their own parties (Ross Perot?), without much success, and our political system is set up as a two-party system to ensure the winner has more than fifty percent of the vote (except, of course, for President, to obviously disastrous effect). President Obama is having enough problems affecting legislation, imagine the trouble a President who wins with 34% of the National vote would have. And again, do we REALLY want barely a third of the people in this Nation having that much power? You think the extremists rule NOW…

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[elikapeka]

Hmmm, Michelle Bachmann got picked to give the tea party faction’s response to the State of the Union. Cat fight with Sarah!!!! Boy, that will be fun to watch!

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[HMC Rich]

Ohh JoB, be real. Factions, which some of the founders were against, are reality.

Tell me, Since the Democrats were solely in charge the last two years, why are we still at 9.6% unemployment? Why is this “recovery” so slow? Why has the deficit gone up so much that they need to raise the debt ceiling again? Sounds like the Nations business was put aside to take care of the patronage issues of the Democratic Party. Republicans weren’t allowed to play. All they could do was talk. Take some ownership please. I have.

And I disagree, and actually you do too by your posts. There is a divide between the two parties. You consistently berate the right (and for some issues you may have a point). But, After two years of massive spending, the people spoke with their votes. They voted NO on fiscal irresponsibility promoted by the President, the Speaker of the House, and the Senate Majority Leader. The voted No on Congressional giveaways. They voted no on more intrusive government. They voted No because of unemployment.

They also voted No on broken campaign promises and the absolute disdain for the truth. (All legislation will be on the internet 3 days before the vote.) “You have to pass the bill before you know what is in it”. And, failure in the Gulf.

But the President did understand some of the post election message and did not let the tax cuts expire. And the far left let him know how evil he was for that.

The Democratic party got its butt kicked in 2010. The Republican party got its assed kicked in 2006 and 2008. Thank God they did. Time to refocus and fix the issues. Hey, if both sides can agree on certain issues, then maybe we all win a bit. Other areas will be a complete dog fight.

DawsonCT. You hit the nail on the head. You have to change the current parties. Sorry DP but in big elections voting your conscience may make you feel better but quite often the opposition you want the least wins. Perot and Nader sunk Bush I and Gore.

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[redblack]

ask smitty about unemployment. according to him, business is throwing a tantrum and sitting on its – i mean our – $2-3 trillion in cash unless and until government cuts taxes to the bone and buys them a pony.

regarding third parties, if i was a green, i’d be p.o.’ed that that weirdo michelle bachmann got any press at all. greens have been fighting for third party status – without the koch brothers’ money! – for decades.

just goes to show you that democracy in the u.s. is a fiction. at the very least, it’s for sale.

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[JoB]

HMC Rich…

has it occurred to you yet that those tax breaks you laud President Obama for extending to the most wealthy Americans will cost this country a pretty penny?

and i thought you were concerned about the deficit.

They were brought to you by Republicans

who wanted to extend tax relief only to the wealthiest 2%

and promised to filibuster tax relief for the middle class to the bitter bitter end…

What we got was a very expensive compromise…

I think we should have told the republican minority to go sit on it and spin myself..

I would have gladly paid down my share of the deficit with higher taxes.

Unfortunately… those who could afford to do so won’t.

Gut public agencies and hand democrats the worst economic crisis of my lifetime…

and likely yet to be the worst the US has ever experienced…

and you think the democrats should be able to fight republican obstructionism and fix everything in 2 years?

What are you thinking?

did you expect democrats to wave some magic wand and wipe away the mess a republican president and congress created?

We are lucky they were able to stop the massive hemorrhaging …

there is no quick fix for the service economy that the good time Charlie republicans have created….

in fact.. there might be no fix at all.

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[dawsonct]

While it IS true that Democrats are FAR superior at governance (hard to excel at something you don’t really believe in Republicans) even IF the Repubs and Blue-dogs (former Republicans) had allowed EVERYTHING the progressive wing of the Democratic Party wanted (not the President, he is proving to be a DNC centrist. Sorry Commie baiters), it is unlikely we would have been able to wipe away in two years the economic and class destruction wrought by thirty years of monetarist supply-side economic principles.

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[HMC Rich]

Hi DawsonCT. The Democratic Party needs bigger government to function as a party. Can you say Patronage? When it governs from the FAR left they lose popularity. Which explains the reason they took such a shellacking in the last election.

Mrs. Pelosi’s agenda does not fly in the Fly Over states.

I grant you that past events did cause this recession. I have also told you that Congress, whether Republican and Democrat, have gotten in the way at times. I believe both parties are responsible for the mess we are in. Here is a graph that shows that power was shared between both parties “the past thirty years”. It shows who was the Majority Leader in the Senate and the Speaker of the House. http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_congressional_calendar.htm

And the last Congress did not cause the problems, but they certainly helped extend it. And the electorate spoke and spanked them.

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[HMC Rich]

Anyway, we are meandering. I might have crossed paths with Sarah Palin in college on a joint University of Idaho and Eastern Washington University video production. (Congratulations to my Eastern Eagles for winning the National Championship in FCS Division 1 football).

Not that it is political but the turf is RED. Welcome to the Inferno.

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[redblack]

rich, while it’s true that democrats expand government when they need to, it isn’t because of patronage.

what do you mean by that, anyway? “hey, welfare queens and big labor! thanks for putting us in office! now, here’s a gub’mint job!” right. that’s exactly what obama, reid, and pelosi accomplished.

not!

the government only looks big from a conservative’s perspective. democrats seek to put more power into the hands of consumers and average people by giving them tools to combat over-reaching corporate influence and lack of protection – which is usually brought about when republicans rule.

“just get government off of our backs, and we’ll show you how to run an economy, pal!” is that sentence a pretty accurate assessment of the conservative/libertarian philosophy, rich? when they say, “our backs,” they don’t mean “the average voter’s back.” they mean they want business to run the show. but business doesn’t have enough votes to win elections. so they recruited republicans.

until this latest wave of teabaggery, that is, when the insurance companies pretty much bought themselves an entire wing of the republican party.

bottom line is that the u.s. government hasn’t been run by the “far left”… pretty much ever. and i could be wrong, but judging from your tone and demeanor, i think you know this and you only say these things to try to insult liberals.

i thought you wanted to strike a more civil tone, rich. if that’s the case, stop with the glaringly wrong and overly broad generalizations. generalizations are fine, but try to be a little more accurate.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Sarah Palin scares me. The part that scares me more is the American public. I think if she runs for President during our next election she will actually do better than before because of her TLC Realty TV stunt. She does not have our best interests at heart and will not only take away from what Obama has accomplished if elected but also take so many steps back.

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[JoB]

HMCRich…

read it and weep…

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/01/preview-financial-crisis-inquiry.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed

it turns our that the federal agencies

under the direct control of the White House

do matter

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[dgirl]

Back to Ms Palin: JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) – Sarah Palin has issued a scathing response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address, attacking his economic policies and “recycled rhetoric,” which she says no longer inspires hope.

In a lengthy missive on Facebook, Palin didn’t mention the call for unity that Obama made in his speech Tuesday. She noted the speech was dubbed “Winning the Future,” and suggested that the acronym of that title, “WTF,” is an apt way to describe the speech

Whoa….what class she shows…

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[dawsonct]

The turf may be red Rich, but the school is most certainly PUBLIC!

Let’s hear it for INVESTING in OUR Nation’s future!

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[elikapeka]

Sarah Palin is a lightweight. She’s very good at the snarky one-liners, but that’s all she’s got. She hides behind Facebook and Twitter and reality shows, occasionally venturing onto a Fox show. She never engages in serious debate – she only appears in friendly venues. She apparently hasn’t taken the time to really learn the issues. She has a pattern of quitting, and of not being willing to do the hard work it would take to be taken seriously. I don’t see much of a future for her other than possibly as a media entertainment figure – but nobody to be taken seriously politically.

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[HMC Rich]

JoB, I read part of the report. Your article is skewed. The report is much more in depth and shows a systematic failure of Wall Street, the Government, and a value system.

The dissent is interesting because there were world wide bubbles that coincided with the US but were not caused by the US.

Typical Left Wing pointing of fingers, and not sharing the whole story.

It is a good report. Maybe you should read it. It shows how greed and lack of common sense sank our nation. It shows how lobbyists forced bad decisions from politicians. It shows that certain amounts of regulation are needed, but private and GSE’s both fell victim to greed. It shows how badly the Fed and our top people involved did not completely understand the crisis, until it was too late.

It also points out that not much has changed since then and there needs to be change. Immediately. Maybe we can stop pointing fingers at each other and right the ship.

Time to regulate private industries properly. Get back to common sense lending. Which the banks currently, of which many of you are complaining about, may have learned a lesson and are being very frugal with their capital.

Also, we who went with ARM’s were gambling. It didn’t make sense then and for those who took that risk, they are now renting. A bunch of bankers made a lot of money off the ignorance of the public, and the government did not believe these entities could be so greedy.

Still, it is our fault too.

But I will say, the repeal of the Glass Steagall act led by Gramm and Republican Cronies, signed Lehman and other Wall Street companies financial disaster.

What I am saying is that some de-regulation in the various financial sectors was bad for the country. But not all. But enough happened and we all are paying for it. So I will agree with you to a point.

But I also made my point. Our politicians from both parties are complicit. So you can blame the Republicans Jo, but you have to factor in that there were plenty of Democrats involved too.

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[HMC Rich]

http://www.fcic.gov/ for the report.

Also, EWU, yes a fine Public institution and very proud of it. Love working at the UW too. Lets face it, I doubt if it is as liberal as Evergreen. Whaddya think, but our higher education centers in this state are tremendous.

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[HMC Rich]

OK Redblack. Patronage is part of the Democratic Parties history. Both parties are involved in it.

For now some examples. Too many Czars in the Obama administration who are not accountable to the electorate. Yes Bush had them too, but not as many. This needs to be fixed.

Obamacare exemptions to companies and Unions. WTF as Ms. Palin jokingly referred to. I guess cronyism is still live and well. Do as I say but not as I do. Who did visit the White House the most last year?

Political Machines are rife with patronage and cronyism. The turn of the last century with the full launch of the progressives saw it. The New Deal years. Cities, like Chicago, who basically got Kennedy elected.

Not that the other side doesn’t do it too. Our laws allow our Presidents to hire people to help out but at some point the people’s business needs to be done.

I do not blame Mr. Obama for making judicial appointments when Congress was out of session. Although he prefers precedent judges vs constructionist judges, I do believe that the

Republicans were playing and delaying too many appointments. I also believe the big hubbub over US Attorneys was out of line. Obama could do the same thing.

In the spirit of working together a bit, I will grant you that some of what you charge Republicans in general is true, but you cannot deny the roots of the past and what is currently happening.

I mean, really, who wrote the healthcare bill? It certainly was not a bi-partisan document. Friends of the progressives wrote it.

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[redblack]

does a czar have any authority? (in this country.) isn’t the czar just a spokesman and reporter for the president regarding certain policy areas, like the auto industry? or do you believe obama is staging a coup d’etat, using people wearing brooks brothers suits?

and i’ve asked you this before, rich: why should union employers be subjected to a law that makes them buy health care for their employees? they’re already bound to do so by contract with labor unions.

i have no problem with removing that language, though, if it makes you happy. it just seems redundant. it’s not like unions are going to suddenly say, “ah ha! now we don’t have to bargain for health care for our members!”

who wrote the bill? mostly insurance lobbyists. there is very little “socialism” in it – if any at all. it’s just a series of regulations, and it doesn’t set up any kind of state organization to dole out insurance or health care. it doesn’t even raise your taxes so obama could give money to pay for health care for some welfare queen and her 13 children, 3 cousins, and 9 nieces and nephews – and uncle earl.

if you’ll recall, progressives wanted a public option, at a minimum. we didn’t even get that.

big insurance spent $1 million per day on capitol hill making sure that they didn’t have to compete with a nonprofit system on any level.

which sounds like the definition of patronage.

face it, rich. whether democrat or republican, the average person – hell, the bottom 90% – receives very little patronage. and, despite the hysteria, labor unions don’t have a tenth of the wealth or power of the private sector. i’ll admit that they were awesome back in the industrial age, but the days of labor machine politics are over.

so define patronage, and tell me how i, as a progressive and an AFL-CIO member, have benefited more from obama being in office than bank of america has. i am underemployed (and lucky). they get my tax dollars handed to them on a silver platter. so what was taken from you, them, or anyone else and given to me as a reward for voting for him?

lastly, what is the “full launch of the progressives?” did we suddenly get party status or something? hell, the greens aren’t even recognized by congress after 40 years.

maybe i should attend the party meetings.

i apologize if i come off as confrontational, rich, but you repeat a lot of talking points that have very little basis in reality, and i have a very hard time being accused of having any more power or influence than giant banks and insurance companies. those guys (mostly) vote republican, and, as a matter of fact, i feel more like i’ve been taken hostage by a friend.

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[JoB]

HMC Rich…

Gosh.. you got all that from reading part of the report?

NOT.

Unlike you.. i don’t stop at reading part of anything that interests me.

Did you even notice that the report i linked had actual links to real information in it that you could follow?

You can learn something by following them.

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[HMC Rich]

yeah. how to cherry pick.

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[JoB]

HMC Rich…

funny thing…

the guys who wrote the report

cherry picked just those points in their press release…

now that’s a coincidence worth noting

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[JoB]

HMC Rich…

the senate tried to vote to end the rule that allowed one senator to secretly block legislation…

Guess who didn’t think ending the ability of one Senator to block legislation was a good idea?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/140823-tea-party-caucus-votes-to-keep-secret-holds-

by their deeds you shall know them

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