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January 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm #713994
JanSParticipantJanuary 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm #713995
JoBParticipantJanS…
i have to apologize to you.
i really do try to read and watch all posted links…
i mean.. if you took the time to post it the least i can do is attempt to see the point…
but this one?
i am sorry but i bailed …
if there was a point..
i missed it:(
January 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm #713996
JanSParticipantit’s just silliness…during her “speech”, she sighed a lot according to some, and supposedly showed her exasperation at being accused. So..it’s just silliness. I actually found some interesting stuff in her little video..like how she never mentioned the victims, how she never, ever said how sorry she was that such a horrific thing had happened. It was all about Sarah and how she had been wronged..narcissistic, to say the least.
I need silliness at the end of this week…sigh…
January 15, 2011 at 9:52 am #713997
HMC RichParticipantI like Sarah. I like many of her positions…DP, not those. And yes, the Republican party is changing. So is the opposition party. And the last election the electorate gave the opposition party a historical vote of no confidence. Blue Dogs are now redder and there will be more changes in both parties.
Sarah was attacked by a group of liberals that have kept it up ever since the Justice Department report/brief surfaced from Janet Napolitano about “Right Wing Extremists”. Yes, there are some. But I didn’t see riots at the Tea Parties. I didn’t see fighting at constituent meetings in home districts, just lively discussions. When the left protests, it is patriotic. When the right does it, it is hate speech.
She used a term that had very negative connotations to some Jewish Groups and she has been defended by others.
The left playbook is easy to read.
Republicans are:
Racist
Sexist
Homophobic (well… actually kind of right on that one)
Stupid
Gun Crazed
Greedy White People
I can actually go through past posts and many of you have said what you think about Sarah and Republicans.
All I can say is that Bobby Jindahl handled himself way better than President Obama or George Bush regarding Louisiana/Gulf problems. Oh yeah, someone on your side commented about Governor Christie’s size? I thought you were supposed to be politically correct. But you can’t help yourself can you. Double Talk. I like Rick Perry alot. But I don’t think he will run for President. So I guess I will have to vote for Michelle Bachmann. Maybe, Maybe not. That probably made a few of you gag, didn’t it?
Oh and by the way. How come you aren’t complaining more about the War in Afghanistan? Only DP has been consistent. Why the silence? Oh, that is right. It’s OK since BHO is the Prez. So excuse me but your hypocrisy panty lines are showing.
There is the problem. We are supporting our party lines to a fault when both sides are at fault. I hope to be more open minded but when I see a post that is so utterly partisan and IMO wrong, I will defend the conservative. I can easily find faults with Republicans and have at times said so. I don’t see it from the other side.
January 15, 2011 at 10:37 am #713998
JanSParticipantfor the record, Rich. I was one of the first to have a “No Iraq” war sign posted in front of my office many years ago when we first went there. And I think that the “war” in Afghanistan is, well, misguided…but at this point we were already there, and now we can’t just up and walk away…or can we? Not up to me to decide, now, is it? But I am against us being there. Does that make me not patriotic? Does that make me un-American, someone who doesn’t supporr the troops? I just don’t wear my dislike of the war on my sleeve. No hypocrisy here.
Michelle Bachman? Are you serious? If so, tell me what you like about her. Tell me what you like about her POSITIONS. Tell me what you like about what she stands for. Same with Ms. Palin…who only likes Ms. Palin, in my book. I don’t think she has any more brains in her head to be president than you or I do.
I think you say things to get a reaction…I honestly think that you don’t mean all that you say…but then, it’s 2 am, I’m not feeling my best, and what do I know?
Republicans ARE easy to read. If I had a million bucks in the bank, they’d be happy to represent me…but I don’t…and they don’t give a damn about me…so the feeling is mutual. We simply differ on the values that we hold dear. You really think they have your best interests at heart? Fine…that is your choice. You’ve painted your “opposition” with a broad brush…the Dems are hypocrites, who like war, who can’t admit to being wrong. But I can guarantee you that you will never, ever, ever see a Dem stand up at a political rally with a picture of the President of the United States portrayed as Adolf Hitler. You will never, ever see a Congressman yell “liar” in the middle of a presidential speech. You will never, ever see a Dem question where any current President of the United States was born. Just sayin’….
But you just keep on keepin’ on…
Oh…and that term that has a “negative connotation”? It’s more than just that…it’s totally anti-semitic. I doubt that Ms. Palin was even aware of that when she used it…she had heard someone else say it. She knows now…ain’t ignorance bliss?
January 15, 2011 at 11:47 am #713999
HMC RichParticipantI’ll work backwards. Blood Libel has been used by numerous people over the past decade. A Jewish Rabbi’s response: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703583404576079823067585318.html
Who has used Blood Libel from both sides of the political spectrum: http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/256955/term-blood-libel-more-common-you-might-think
And I wish you did have a million bucks. I wish everyone did. And both Dems and Repubs would come a courtin’, along with the taxman.
The Liar shout was wrong. You are right. But you are absolutely wrong about Bush and Nazi symbolism? Was very commonplace: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612 And those LaRouchies, did most of the Obama Hitler stache signs. It happened at the Junction if memory serves me correctly.
I think the new politicians and some of the older ones who survived re-election understand that they had start to understand why they were elected. So yes, I think they, for a time, will think about us more.
Michelle is a conservative female. Less Goverment, Strong National Security, I believe she is pro life, and pro business. Yes, she has made a mistake or two but she connects with a lot of conservatives. Honestly I read her tweets and that’s about it. Since I know she pisses off many of you, I just threw her in.
The War, I respect DP and his passion. I however tolerate anti-war protestors as long as they are peaceful. I saw the US win a hard fought victory in Iraq. It tore our country apart but we have won for now and it just wasn’t about oil. I saw us win victories in Vietnam but lost in public opinion. As a result genocide happened in Cambodia once SE ASIA was defunded and we reneged on committments.
I see some paralells of Vietnam in Afghanistan. I hate the fact that we are propping up a government that can’t control the opium problem and is corrupt. But I am for eradicating the Al Quida links, and to an extent the Taliban. I wish we didn’t have to be there.
I would like to see us get out of there, but it is a very difficult decision. I’m not going to press here. Too many lives at stake.
Palin doesn’t need a prompter to promote her agenda. Quite often when our President got off script he defaulted to the tired rhetoric of the left. It was embarrasing to hear him not answer who his favorite White Sox Players were when asked. To say she is dumb is mean. That is like me saying Patty Murray is dumb. I don’t believe that. No, sorry, no sale. People mispeak. The President is a smart man and an eloquent orator. I differ on his politics. You differ on Palin’s. Gee Whiz, Biden has never mispoke has he? Stop with the party line promoted by Democrats that all Republicans are dumb. You know better. You just dislike their actions or policies.
Jan, I am sorry we are disagreeing, but as I said before, if you accuse us of something that is not true, we will answer.
I do not do it to be mean. Due to what is happening to you I am saddened and feel that life can be very unfair. And yes, I can see how some definitely would consider the Republican party heartless considering how some act, but when propoganda is smearing the truth, people get the wrong message. It happens too often. But I also believe in the strength of the individual and the compassion that comes from so many.
It is too late. I’m going to bed. Good Night. See you guys in a few days.
January 15, 2011 at 4:00 pm #714000
miwsParticipant“Palin doesn’t need a prompter to promote her agenda. Quite often when our President got off script he defaulted to the tired rhetoric of the left. It was embarrasing to hear him not answer who his favorite White Sox Players were when asked.“
=:-O Impeach!! Impeach!!
Mike
January 15, 2011 at 4:32 pm #714001
GenHillOneParticipantYes, many people have occasionally misspoken, but I respectfully disagree, Rich. SP is dumb. Period. Not just for her lack of intelligent responses to live questions, but for presumably thought-out decisions. Poor (dumb) decisions imho, and in nearly every aspect of her life, over and over again. Mean? Harsh? Maybe. But she chose to enter this arena and if she thought she wouldn’t be scrutinized as, among other things, a vice-presidential candidate, then she was mistaken. Or dumb. Or a narcissist. Maybe all.
January 15, 2011 at 5:05 pm #714002
EscondidoMemberPalin is blessed with the gift of gab. She opens her mouth and words flow out. She is very talented this way and would make a great ‘talking head’ as she can read text very well. Plus, for most, she is easy on the eyes. Unfortunately, what flows from her mouth is uninformed, jumbled, illogical, narrow minded and incites passion. It is a great disappointment to me that many in our country don’t see beyond delivery and think about what she is saying.
January 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm #714003
JoBParticipantHMCRich…
Do you honestly believe that because we don’t all demonstrate in the junction that we support the war in Afghanistan?
Where would you get that idea?
And the war in Iraq? We won that? You really think so?
If that war has been won.. why is my granddaughter’s husband facing another tour there at the helm of a gunship helicopter? Why are American soldiers still coming home in body bags?
Noble war?
The Iraqi people we “liberated” don’t think so.
while you cheer on your pals in the house who are going to try to kill health care reform…
you should look around your own house and those you hold near and dear and ask yourself where their health care will come from if the worst happens and you lose whatever health insurance stands between them and emergency medical care.
That’s not a pretty picture..
as those who face it now know all too well.
If what you really want is less government.. then perhaps you should vote for the party that consistently delivers it instead of the one that increases it at every opportunity..
oh yeah.. i know all about the republican party’s supposed claims.. but i also have lived long enough to know they haven’t lived up to them in your lifetime. What makes you think this year will be any different?
As for that mandate you think you saw from the American people in the last election…
think again. what you saw was a lack of enthusiasm from those who elected democrats based on promises they didn’t keep.
I want to thank the rabble in the house currently baying for the repeal of health care reform. that combined with the inevitable rise in insurance costs if they win will be a real wake up call to those who sat out the last election.
i wouldn’t count on it happening again.
January 15, 2011 at 11:05 pm #714004
JoBParticipantQuestion…
Why would the state republican party pay the campaign ads for a candidate for mayor?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
January 16, 2011 at 7:44 pm #714005
dawsonctParticipantRick Perry is the male intellectual equivalent of Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin.
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Just wondering Rich, when the Farright says they are “pro-business” what exactly does that mean? Are they pro-SMALL-business? Their actions don’t provide any evidence of it; were that to be the case, they would hop on board with initiatives that support small businesses (like Health Insurance Reform) and wouldn’t support the off-shoring of good paying American manufacturing jobs.
Less government. Again, a meaningless phrase without specifics. Less govt. for whom? When we don’t watch out for each other, predators thrive. Would football be a better game with fewer referees and the home team gets to make up their own rules?
Pro-life. So am I! I enjoy life and am glad I am alive and I am lucky to be an American.
By “pro-life” though, I suspect you mean that you think the government, which I KNOW you think is already too big, intrusive and powerful, should have a hand in health-care decisions made between a woman and her doctor.
That doesn’t sound very “pro-small-government” to me.
Pro-national security. So maybe we agree on something. I feel that if the oil companies want the U.S. to provide security for their oil fields and shipping lanes, then maybe they should pay American citizens for the use of their military. Providing them with free worldwide security services doesn’t do much for most of us Americans. Maybe if we pulled back militarily, we could spend a few hundred millions of the BILLIONS of dollars we will save and use it to develop OUR OWN renewable energy industry.
NOW THAT would be PRO AMERICA!
January 16, 2011 at 9:06 pm #714006
carterParticipantPoliticians by definition fall into two categories:
Democrats = hypocrites
Republicans = insane hypocrites
January 17, 2011 at 12:20 am #714007
dawsonctParticipantdeeply thought out carter. thanks for the valuable input.
January 17, 2011 at 12:52 am #714008
redblackParticipantescondido: as an english major, sarah palin’s speech makes my head hurt. she mangles the language as badly as george w. bush does. “i’d like to buy a comma and a subjunctive clause, pat.”
rich: is christie (the NJ governor) fat? how is calling him fat “politically incorrect?” it’s the truth.
PC is a right-wing myth, anyway, and i deny its existence. (i also deny facebook’s existence. and god’s or gods’, for that matter.) post 30 links asserting that it’s a liberal conspiracy to teach christian brood to tolerate the gay if you want. it’s still just a buzz-word response to being called impolite, crass, rude, or racist.
and, yes, i understand that identifying someone by size might be considered rude. so if anyone was offended by me calling the NJ governor a “fat dude,” i apologize. but i do so out of civility, and not because the liberal manifesto told me to.
oh, and palin might not need a prompter, but she should be hooked up to google, a non-partisan fact-checker, and a lie detector when speaking in public.
January 17, 2011 at 1:07 am #714009
DPMemberJanuary 18, 2011 at 5:40 am #714010
dawsonctParticipantOkay, that’s disturbing, but it must have been damned fun to paint.
January 18, 2011 at 5:46 am #714011
JanSParticipanthere’s a link to more disturbing…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMepzqJvIw&feature=player_embedded
left me pretty speechless – lol…
January 18, 2011 at 8:14 am #714012
chrismaParticipantwhat are those? pancakes? yikes!
January 18, 2011 at 7:07 pm #714013
JoBParticipantyou think that is disturbing…
this is disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMepzqJvIw&feature=player_embedded
btw…
i don’t find this stuff…
it is being passed along on facebook..
and no.. i don’t know if it started as a joke or not.
i know i am not laughing
January 18, 2011 at 8:03 pm #714014
JiggersMemberPalin came out today and defended herself in saying blood libel. What a tool shed.
January 18, 2011 at 10:08 pm #714015
JoBParticipantit’s a big hole…
and she dug it herself…
but she will have lots of help getting out of it
because you can’t pick on poor sarah like that…
her ignorance is part of her charm:(
January 19, 2011 at 11:33 am #714016
HMC RichParticipantSarah Palin has been the recipient of a concentrated witch hunt. Nobody has been savaged more than her in recent memory. Which is not surprising since the left cannot accept outside opinions which do not coincide with their world view.
Oh well. Your condescension doesn’t bother her. She is consistent and not wishy washy. You know she is the enemy. You will do everything to discredit her. Say it loud and say it proud because the more you complain the more popular she will get. Newt Gingrich agrees with you a little bit. Did you ever think that some of you and Newt would agree on something?
She is a person with definite views. Views that progressives can’t fathom or don’t want to. She has made a few gaffes but knew exactly what she was saying about blood libel.
But I find it funny that Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden walk on water but Sarah sinks. None of these people speak perfectly. Mrs. Palin speaks with a slightly different regional accent. So what? So did Jimmy Carter, George Bush, Ted Kennedy. Geez, are you going to string her up for having ALCAN way of speaking. Get oouut of town.
GlenHillOne, if that is your opinion then fine. I do not have a problem with one’s personal opinion when done respectfully.
Mike you made me laugh.
Actually Redblack I believe that you personally do not believe in being PC, but you have a whole slew of similarly thinking friends who do. Talking point alert. So why did Juan Williams get fired from NPR? He wasn’t being PC in his FOX. Yeah, Christie is fat, rotund, whatever, and he is cutting the fat in New Jersey.
Pro-Business. Do unions in an industry cause the owners to make more or less money? Democrats generally are more supportive of unions than Republicans. Now, bloated Pension plans in which payouts will be in jeopardy in the coming years are hurting industries. Higher wages hurt a bottom line. Now, unions have there place. And Business should not be using illegal aliens to save money. Nobody is exempt here. Progressive Republicans and Democrats cannot keep raising taxes on businesses. Conversely there does need to be regulations on businesses for our good AND many tax loopholes should be closed. Our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Both Republicans and Democrats have made it that way. The lines get fuzzy at times don’t they. You can’t let the Fox in the henhouse, but you can’t starve the chickens either.
Also, It would be folly for me to speak for business owners. They cover the whole spectrum politically. I cannot be that presumptive. I don’t have the knowledge.
Yes, Pro-Life, someone has to be an advocate for the unborn child that cannot stand up for itself. Fetus can’t make itself. It takes two. So Yes, you rail about the woman’s choice but what about the childs? Where is the childs right? Take a hike. Republicans are not Libertarians. This is a highly charged issue and I will not address it anymore in this post. Others are free to but I will not. It is legal and that is that.
Wouldn’t it be nice to disagree with the views instead of attacking the person and the family. But as someone said, politics are dirty.
January 19, 2011 at 11:33 am #714017
HMC RichParticipantSarah Palin has been the recipient of a concentrated witch hunt. Nobody has been savaged more than her in recent memory. Which is not surprising since the left cannot accept outside opinions which do not coincide with their world view.
Oh well. Your condescension doesn’t bother her. She is consistent and not wishy washy. You know she is the enemy. You will do everything to discredit her. Say it loud and say it proud because the more you complain the more popular she will get. Newt Gingrich agrees with you a little bit. Did you ever think that some of you and Newt would agree on something?
She is a person with definite views. Views that progressives can’t fathom or don’t want to. She has made a few gaffes but knew exactly what she was saying about blood libel.
But I find it funny that Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden walk on water but Sarah sinks. None of these people speak perfectly. Mrs. Palin speaks with a slightly different regional accent. So what? So did Jimmy Carter, George Bush, Ted Kennedy. Geez, are you going to string her up for having ALCAN way of speaking. Get oouut of town.
GlenHillOne, if that is your opinion then fine. I do not have a problem with one’s personal opinion when done respectfully.
Mike you made me laugh.
Actually Redblack I believe that you personally do not believe in being PC, but you have a whole slew of similarly thinking friends who do. Talking point alert. So why did Juan Williams get fired from NPR? He wasn’t being PC in his FOX. Yeah, Christie is fat, rotund, whatever, and he is cutting the fat in New Jersey.
Pro-Business. Do unions in an industry cause the owners to make more or less money? Democrats generally are more supportive of unions than Republicans. Now, bloated Pension plans in which payouts will be in jeopardy in the coming years are hurting industries. Higher wages hurt a bottom line. Now, unions have there place. And Business should not be using illegal aliens to save money. Nobody is exempt here. Progressive Republicans and Democrats cannot keep raising taxes on businesses. Conversely there does need to be regulations on businesses for our good AND many tax loopholes should be closed. Our corporate taxes are the highest in the world. Both Republicans and Democrats have made it that way. The lines get fuzzy at times don’t they. You can’t let the Fox in the henhouse, but you can’t starve the chickens either.
Also, It would be folly for me to speak for business owners. They cover the whole spectrum politically. I cannot be that presumptive. I don’t have the knowledge.
Yes, Pro-Life, someone has to be an advocate for the unborn child that cannot stand up for itself. Fetus can’t make itself. It takes two. So Yes, you rail about the woman’s choice but what about the childs? Where is the childs right? Take a hike. Republicans are not Libertarians. This is a highly charged issue and I will not address it anymore in this post. Others are free to but I will not. It is legal and that is that.
Wouldn’t it be nice to disagree with the views instead of attacking the person and the family. But as someone said, politics are dirty.
January 19, 2011 at 3:13 pm #714018
redblackParticipantrun, sarah, run! i’ll be here – with a fact-checker and a bowl of popcorn.
i’m not attacking her personally as some sort of argument for why she’s unfit to be president. (or dog catcher, for that matter.) i’m attacking her personally because i think she’s mean-spirited and angry, and i respond in kind. she’s dismissive of liberals and acts as if she’s above debating one. she acts as if we’re un-american. she touts that whole socialism thing, and treats liberalism as if it’s a mental disorder. she’s rigid and inflexible.
and it’s not the accent that bothers me, rich, it’s the cadence, the weird emphasis on words, and lack of any kind of meter. like i said, it makes my head hurt, and not just as a liberal.
attack her ideas? does she have any? i’ve never heard anything but platitudes come out of her mouth, and i don’t understand what policies you refer to. but if the ideas you stated are hers, i’ll give it a shot.
actually, rich, unions allow business owners to raise their profit margins. in construction, for example, union contractors usually get bigger commercial jobs, because they have the equipment, manpower, and financial resources to complete them.
(btw, isn’t todd palin a union carpenter? or did sarahpac make him quit giving those filthy commies money? oh, noes! he might have a pension! we gotta put a stop to that so you can start losing money in a 401(k) or IRA, todd!)
someone (a small business person, that is; not wal-mart) who doesn’t care about his employees enough to help them make a decent wage probably doesn’t take very much pride in his work, in my opinion, and is using a craft – like construction – simply to make money and is not interested so much in the craft itself.
back to NJ, cutting pensions for retirees is better fat-cutting than making businesses actually pay those outrageous taxes?
we, as a country, may have the highest corporate tax rates in the world, but corporate tax revenues rarely keep pace with corporate profits – or the tax code, for that matter. and i don’t know about NJ’s corporate tax structure, but i imagine they have given bargain-basement tax rates to corporations that they’re trying to keep in their state; much like washington does for boeing.
here’s an example and a quiz: with a roughly $3.5 trillion budget derived from taxation, what do you think corporate tax revenues total?
pro-life? who cares? stay out of other people’s business. it’s all fine to preach that libertarian crap when someone wants to make a law about taxes, but when it comes to reproductive rights, praise jebus! suddenly it’s holy-roller time for republicans. let’s see what’s going on in your bedroom – and your womb – and put a stop to anything we don’t agree with. let’s get between you and your doctor. or you and your husband.
here’s a news flash: the mother – without whom that fetus cannot survive – is the advocate for the unborn and is the sole arbiter of whatever “choice” you think a fetus may have. end of story.
i’ll defer to george carlin, who basically said that if you think the life of the unborn is more important than the life of the mother, try to get a fetus to wash the stains out of your underwear for less than minimum wage.
oh, and you conveniently and consistently forget to mention that sarah palin is a liar.
now, i’m not going to call you a liar, rich, but you consistently set up straw men by telling me what my positions are as a liberal, then argue against them. about half of the time you’re wrong. the funny thing about most liberals – and me in particular – is that we don’t have rigid ideology.
or – surprise! – a manifesto.
so regarding juan williams: i don’t care. none of my business. don’t like the guy. don’t listen to him. flipping thru the channels, i see him pretending to be liberal on fox “news.” (psst. he’s acting.) furthermore, NPR can and should hire and fire anyone they want, or terminate his contract if they have good cause. again, not my business. goodbye, rich man. enjoy your new rich man job at some rich person’s network. lol. juan williams is about as liberal as pat buchanan, and i don’t care if he calls sean hannity a drag queen, on-air, politely or not. i have nothing in common with him.
so. in conclusion, how can we debate issues if, half of the time, you’re telling me what my position is, and then i have to spend an entire post setting you straight – or trying to do both at the same time?
and the phrase is, “politics is a blood sport.” it’s meant figuratively.
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