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November 5, 2008 at 6:34 pm #588625
KenParticipantPaul Begala on Shrub.
And if you have been here before there has been a change.
and finally:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581
link above: Palin Spending Spree MUCH WORSE Than Thought
“Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast,”
November 5, 2008 at 6:49 pm #646350
JoBParticipantthanks Ken.. the newsweek article was more interesting than i had expected.
as for Palin.. she will need all those clothes for the political future she has planned for herself… i suspect a state that elected a felon to the senate won’t balk at her replacing him…
meanwhile.. Michelle Obama bought most of her wardrobe at a lower end chain retailer…
ok.. i don’t buy anything there unless it’s on sale.. but very nice clothing can still be had there for less than the price of a dinner for two in a good restaurant…
i wonder if the dems gave her a clothing budget?
November 5, 2008 at 7:46 pm #646351
JenVMemberKen, thanks for posting those. I love the change at palinaspresident.com.
November 6, 2008 at 12:50 pm #646352
KenParticipantWhy do Republicans worship ignorance? Do they not have access to reality or is it a consequence of the massive denial of scientific knowledge.
Do fundamentalist disbelieve in geography? Geology? Where do they think oil comes from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc
Smith: Now that the election is over, Carl, tell us more about those reports of infighting between Palin and McCain staffers.
Cameron: I wish I could have told you more at the time but all of it was put off the record until after the election. There was great concern in the McCain campaign that Sarah Palin lack the degree of knowledgeability necessary to be a running mate, a vice president, and a heartbeat away from the presidency. We’re told by folks that she didn’t know what countries that were in NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, that being the Canada, the US, and Mexico. We’re told she didn’t understand that Africa was a continent rather than a country just in itself … a whole host of questions that caused serious problems about her knowledgeability. She got very angry at staff, thought that she was mishandled…..was particularly angry about the way the Katie Couric interview went. She didn’t accept preparation for that interview when the aides say that that was part of the problem. And that there were times that she was hard to control emotionally there’s talk of temper tantrums at bad news clippings……
November 6, 2008 at 3:20 pm #646353
JenVMemberoooh, Faux News is eating their own. I don’t see any chances for her in 2012..thank god.
November 6, 2008 at 5:08 pm #646354
JoBParticipantJenV…
you wouldn’t have thought there would be a chance for george the second term.
in the same interview… Carl Cameron also defended her and her ability to energize his party.
November 6, 2008 at 5:47 pm #646355
KenParticipantNovember 6, 2008 at 5:51 pm #646356
JoBParticipantDuh.
November 7, 2008 at 12:26 am #646357
KenParticipantThe Onion channels House.
Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are
November 7, 2008 at 2:41 pm #646358
KenParticipantPalin Post Election plans.
November 10, 2008 at 10:07 pm #646359
KenParticipantPalin is now in the dictionary.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=palin
Palin (n)
1. An applicant lacking even basic job skills
2. Someone supremely un-self-aware or lacking any relative sense of what he/she does or doesn’t know.
HR sent me another Palin for the marketing manager job.
palin (v)
to abandon one’s principles for short term gain
Tom, a devout vegan, palined when he consumed a happy meal solely to obtain the collectible toy it contained.
November 11, 2008 at 5:18 am #646360
HeavyMetalConservativeMemberIn an earlier posting I was saying it was good for candidates to get tough questions. The press has a responsibility to us to report the ills of government.
I think they make mistakes once in awhile. Should I make fun of them. Maybe, maybe not but in a feeding frenzy once in awhile someone gets a bite taken out of them.
Oooops MSNBC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/martin-eisenstadt-non-exi_n_142785.html
Just to be clear. Cameron’s report is a good report. I think most of the things reported are true. Some of it is sour grapes. The more information the better
Even if you don’t always like it. Please do not tell me MSNBC is centrist.
So, what is the definition of a Mahoney? A William Jefferson, A Mcdermott, a Stevens, a Craig, a Foley.
Pretty darn funny. Actually there could be some good zingers.
November 11, 2008 at 5:58 am #646361
ellenaterMemberNovember 11, 2008 at 6:31 am #646362
KenParticipantYa just can’t make up stuff this demented.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081110/ap_on_el_pr/palin
Alaska – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spent part of the weekend going through her clothing to determine what belongs to the Republican Party after it spent $150,000-plus on a wardrobe for the vice presidential nominee, according to Palin’s father.
Palin and John McCain’s campaign faced a storm of criticism over the tens of thousands of dollars spent at such high-end stores as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus to dress the nominee. Republican National Committee lawyers are still trying to determine exactly what clothing was bought for Palin, what was returned and what has become of the rest.
Note this is her father, on the record. And the Associated Press.
Also you might notice that the week after the election, she finally thinks it might be time to blame Bush for McCains defeat. DOH!
November 11, 2008 at 7:24 am #646363
HeavyMetalConservativeMemberYeah, I read that too.
No matter who the Republicans put up against the Democratic nomination, especially after the bail out and our economy sliding, there was no way a Republican could win.
Obama should have won by more but he is a newer player with some track record but not a lot.
Also after 6 years of Couric, Gibson, Matthews insert network etc. etc slamming the War in Iraq/reconstruction, the Economy and whatever Bush and the Republicans put forth, people are going to believe it. Heck, as a Conservative, I was unhappy with them. I have figures on the media bias if you want them.
I am being fair in my analysis that the current administration made numerous mistakes. To what degree, I have seen your posts. You have your agendas. So be it.
Mistakes were made by the last administration and the ones before that. I suspect Obama will make mistakes too. Unless he is perfect, and he is not.
Change is fine. Let’s hope Obama does a good job.
It will be interesting to see who he picks to sit on his cabinet. Maybe he should pick Palin to be the head of the Department of Interior? Just a thought, then the ridicule could go on for years.
If Obama picks Jamie Gorelick as Attorney General, then he will be making a huge mistake.
She would be a failure, like Mike Brown was of FEMA, and the Governor of Louisana during Katrina, Christine Blanco. Gorelick put our safety at risk with the wall between the CIA and the FBI.
She is also an evil capitalist. She made about 5 million a year with Fannie Mae for 5 years, then bailed out before the you know what hit the fan. I would rather have Bart Simpson as our Attorney General. She is not worthy.
I get Emanuel. He’s tough. I may disagree on many issues with him but he fulfills a good role for the new administration.
Have fun with Sarah. Maybe she is really Sarah Connor and she will stop the Terminator. I would watch what you say about her. You never know . .
Have a good one. Thanks for the discussion.
Please, be nice to House. House and the rest of you are alright in my book.
November 11, 2008 at 7:36 am #646364
JanSParticipantHMC..I heard Eric Holder’s name bounced around last night for Atty. General….
November 11, 2008 at 7:40 am #646365
HeavyMetalConservativeMemberFrom the very little I know about him, he seems well suited.
I think Obama will pick a good cabinet.
November 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm #646366
charlabobParticipantHolder won’t do it – the vetting will be too tough. Not everyone likes retributive abuse.
November 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm #646367
JoBParticipantHeavyMetalConservative…
media bias???
MSNBC not centerist?
You need a dose of the left my friend…
watch some Link tv for a few days.. Amy Goodman, Laura Flanders…
I don’t believe they are as far left as FOX is right…
they certainly have more respect for the truth than FOX news does…
but a few days spent watching them will give you a real appreciation for why someone might think MSNBC is centrist…
i think MSNBC is centrist … leaning right…
November 11, 2008 at 4:20 pm #646368
JoBParticipantKen… thanks for the palinisms.. i enjoy them. but we shouldn’t enjoy them too much. i don’t think she’s gone yet.
HeavyMetalConservative.. when your party puts a joke up as a candidate to pander to the far right.. they can expect jokes to be made about her.
That would all be funny if the death threats the FBI reported against Obama hadn’t spiked about the time that Sarah started talking about Obama palling around with terrorists.
I am not inclined to joke too much about Sarah because that glosses over the real danger in her divisive rhetoric.
McCain might have won against Obama.. even with the economic downturn.. if he hadn’t singlehandedly mobilized the Obama vote by showing us so clearly what the alternative was with Sarah Palin.
November 11, 2008 at 6:08 pm #646369
charlabobParticipantI’m happy to see that Palin’s father is the source of the “cowardly anonymous rumors” she was whining about in interviews yesterday. Harumph. Could put a pall on the family thanksgiving dinner.
She has the audacity to say that journalism just isn’t as fair and balanced as it was back when she got her degree 20 years ago. Do you think she learned as much about Journalism in Journalism School as Shrug clearly learned about Business in Business School?
November 11, 2008 at 6:12 pm #646370
RainyDay1235MemberWhich “journalism school” would that be again? I lost count ;)
November 11, 2008 at 6:38 pm #646371
AnonymousInactiveIt’s always easy to make fun of, tease and humiliate the new kid in school. Heck, it’s even easier if everyone else is doing it too!
I think it takes a strong, unique character to NOT join in on the bashing and teasing. It’s a strong, admirable person who silently disproves, but refrains from making a joke out of someone else.
I have noticed you few Democrats here who have shared your displeasure in the choice of the Republican V.P., but have not felt the need to bash her.
I find that incredibly admirable and I want to thank you and let you know that you are to be respected. Hopefully, you know who you are.
November 11, 2008 at 6:56 pm #646372
JoBParticipantLOL.. that was an apt comparison charlabob…
it’s too bad she didn’t learn even the names of the major news sources in the United States in school… i would have thought that would have been necessary to complete the curriculum.. but who knows.
she did learn how to manipulate the media. that’s useful for a politician.
November 12, 2008 at 10:12 am #646373
HeavyMetalConservativeMemberWell Hello. I think my posts are too long. Sorry.
My reply might be considered a bit contentious, but it is with the utmost respect that I answer some of these posts. This group is sharp. I admit that I do not like some of the things you post but I am not going to tell you that you cannot. Kudos to such a great group of people. You bring a fresh perspective to me. Thanks.
Sarah Palin energized a part of the Republican party that really didn’t care for John McCain. If it took her to motivate more people to come out for the Republicans, then did it not, by your logic help your candidate mobilize more voters ? You should be thankful if that is true.
I disagree with your opinions. Our media went after Mrs. Palin with a gusto that is, frankly, disgusting in some respects. O’Reilly at least asked Mr. Obama questions that mattered to some and Mr. Obama met them head on. Hooray. Can you imagine Katie Couric, or Chris Matthews doing the same thing to Obama? Not on your life. I also saw some pretty softball interviews from the Right. I do not deny that.
Here is a piece from MSNBC from Mr. Matthews:
Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Thursday, Hardball host Chris Matthews announced that he now sees his job as doing everything he can to make the Obama presidency a success. “I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work,” Matthews declared to the astonishment of host Joe Scarborough, who asked him if that was really the job of a journalist. “Yeah, it is my job. My job is to help this country,” to “make this work successfully, because this country needs a successful presidency more than anything right now,” Matthews insisted.
This adoration is running through most of the major news networks. C’mon, Harry Smith wept tears of Joy? CNN’s Frank
Sesno describing Rahm Emanuel as Center to Center Right?! No way. Sean Hannity professes to be a partisan conservative. He’s at least being honest.
Seattle is a liberal bubble my friends. That suits many of the residents here. Go to the other side of the state and it is mostly red. I do not put up campaign signs because I am afraid that someone might deface my home. Most people are decent but there is enough to make me apprehensive. I was distressed when the McCain signs were burned.
I will look into the people you mentioned. I have read Amy Goodman articles and I usually disagree with what she says. I am partisan Right. I have said repeatedly that the hosts of Fox lean right. Yes they do. MSNBC is a joke. They are quite often biased to the left. Not Centerist. I at least respect Bill Maher. He makes fun of everyone.
Palin can only blame herself for her bad showing. She did have some bad interviews and looked very unprepared. She was very new to the national spotlight. After her early disasters she started to get into a groove and it scared the hell out of Liberals. I liken her treatment to Howard Dean’s treatment after his yell. I found the press on that so juvenile by the right. You can make fun of her all you want. Nobody says you can’t. Ridicule is a good tool at times.
But, She also spoke to a lot of Americans who liked her vision of America more so than your candidate view. This time he won. The McCain campaign really fell behind and started attacking certain issues that spoke to some of the base. It helped make up some ground. I don’t like that type of campaigning because I know whom I will vote for. It can be extremely negative and it is always, unfortunately used.
Palin was a lightning rod for the left that Hillary used to be for the right. She and the McCain campaign tripped up. The process showed the weakness. Good.
Now, my party is arguing about Palin. Some say good others say bad. At least the Democrats have it right and say GO AWAY SARAH but stick around enough to be the butt of a few jokes.
Anyone who would do harm to our President Elect needs to be put away. Do not smear Republicans with that brush. They are not of our party. I know we have some exceptions. I know the other side does too. The conservative view is to look at individuals and their viewpoints and judge the content of what they are saying. I suspect many of you do also, so in some respects we are quite alike. But, only in some.
Martin Luther Kings words resonate loudly at this moment.
Let’s celebrate the fact that an incredible election just transpired. Many of my black friends (and most democrats) have an extra jump in their walk. I am happy for them and you and myself. Segregation was still in effect a little over 40 years ago and now there is a candidate who is living the American Dream. We have come a long way. We also have a ways to go. More great things will be achieved by We The People.
Who is Shrug?
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