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April 14, 2012 at 10:12 am #754529
JoBParticipantJanS..
don’t you find this criticism just a tad rich after the full frontal GOP assault on Clinton’s wife?
or Limbaugh’s oh so uncomplimentary comments about the teenaged first daughter?
it really is too bad that Romney’s wife is more out of touch with the reality of most Americans than Romney is…
perhaps she should smile more and talk less.
then she wouldn’t give the pundits anything to say.
it’s not as though she has had anything to say that was worth repeating anyway.
April 14, 2012 at 3:49 pm #754530
redblackParticipanthold the phone here, people.
there’s one reason – and one reason only – that willard romney will be the GOP nominee:
he will bring more money to CNN, msnbc, fox, CBS, ABC, and NBC than any other republican.
it sure as hell won’t be because he’s popular with a majority of the right. we all know that most people vote straight ticket.
April 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm #754531
redblackParticipantand then there’s the fact that willard romney, by his own admission, has to ask his wife what policies are best for women in america.
aren’t these things inherent? aren’t women equal to men in every way? why do you need to check with a woman to know what’s fair?
that guy’s about as sincere as a $3 bill.
April 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm #754532
DBPMemberAs I see it, the core of Romney’s platform comes down to this:
1) Repeal “Obamacare”
2) Cut taxes and spending
3) Shrink government
This is all classic Conservative stuff that the Republican base can easily unite around. Sure, radical outliers like the Tea Party and Evangelicals might shun him, but so what? Liberals have their outliers too and they’ll shun Obama. The fringes on either side tend to balance each other out.
What I’d like to do is get back to what OP dobro-san said about the Obama landslide. Will there really be a landslide? and if so, why/why not?
April 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm #754533
JanSParticipantthose three questions you post, DBP. What I want him to tell me is not what but how he is going to do that…in detail. Otherwise, empty promise. He has no clue what he would actually be able to accomplish if (big if) he won the election in November…
April 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm #754534
JanSParticipantredblack…I find it quite interesting that Willard Romney picked Ann Romney to be the one person that has knowledge about the struggle of middle class working women, some of who are moms. And being both middle class and working moms, that Ann Romney knows more than any other person the struggle they go through on a daily basis to keep both worlds sane, to balance budgets, to put food on the table, clothes on their kids, in this economy. Yeah, that’s rich – oh, my, a pun…
April 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm #754535
JanSParticipantJoB…but that’s in the past, those attacks on the president’s wife and child. If we can’t bring up Bush in anything, we have to forget about everything before this president. The world did not exist before Jan. 20, 2009
April 14, 2012 at 5:36 pm #754536
DBPMemberWhat I want [Romney] to tell me is not what but how he is going to do that…in detail. Otherwise, empty promise. He has no clue what he would actually be able to accomplish if (big if) he won the election in November…
Well, herein lies the beauty and simplicity of the Republican strategy, Jan.*
See, it’s not what Romney’s for that counts. It’s what he’s against. All he says he wants to do is shut down “Obamacare” and slash government programs — like he says he did in Massachusetts. “Free enterprise” will then take care of the rest.
That’s Romney’s message, short and sweet. You can agree or disagree, but that’s basically it.
So . . . in the coming months, don’t expect to hear Candidate Romney talking in detail about new initiatives he’s going to launch or new legislation he’s going to introduce. He eschews** the whole idea of “government leading the way.”
Romney doesn’t have to have a jobs program, for example. Remember: His argument is that if you just cut taxes and government interference in the economy, business will CREATE jobs.
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*Not that I agree with it, mind, but I can still appreciate it for its elegance.
**Gesundheit!
April 14, 2012 at 6:10 pm #754537
dobroParticipantI agree that we’re not gonna hear anything about policy or programs from Rmoney. Same Repub lies we always get-smaller govt, cut spending, yada,yada. We’re gonna get 24/7 super pac lies about scary scary end of America socialist devil Obama, etc, etc.
April 14, 2012 at 6:17 pm #754538
dobroParticipant“The fringes on either side tend to balance each other out.”
Glibly stated, but I think the evangelicals are a much bigger portion of the Repub vote than the far left are to the Dems.
April 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm #754539
kootchmanMemberRight you are DBP… Romney as President can create no more jobs than Obama did. However, Romney knows who can, and how they do it, Something Obama doesn’t.
And I agree that the federal government has no jobs programs. The jobs program will come from… businesses. As they have since our founding. I dunno Dobro… I just watched Obama get shouted down by the left … I believe on another taxpayer supported fund raising junket to Indiana.. “shut down Keystone” over and over again….
The furor is over why we have to have two full time working parents and contract out raising families… could it be this? Our government work force is now roughly where Greece was before their meltdown? While our city council farts around with more stadium swooners… they announce … oooops … they have a workers pension deficit of about 1 BILLION dollars?
When you see the GSA cavorting… it’s emblematic of the sense of entitlement government thinks it has on private wealth creation…. there is no end to the deep well of taxation. Yea Dobro… cutting government down to size is long past due… and everyone knows it has to happen.
April 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm #754540
redblackParticipantthe federal government does have a jobs program. well, congress does, anyway:
lay off 100,000 postal workers.
April 15, 2012 at 4:34 pm #754541
jamminjMember“jobs… Romney knows who can, and how they do it,
Massachusetts, which Romney governed from 2003-2007, ranked 47th among the 50 states in job creation numbers during his tenure.
Massachusetts’ job growth – just 0.9 percent.
Now under D leadership in Mass, the state experienced 4.2 percent job growth in the first quarter of 2011, better than twice the national average and good enough to rank in the top 10 nationally.
April 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm #754542
happywalkerParticipantI thought Obama wants to rebuild the infrustructure in this country. But he gets stopped at every corner…it would put hundreds of thousands to work. Seems he can’t win for losing.
April 15, 2012 at 5:26 pm #754543
SmittyParticipant“Massachusetts, which Romney governed from 2003-2007, ranked 47th among the 50 states in job creation numbers during his tenure.
Massachusetts’ job growth – just 0.9 percent”
Can I appoint you DNC chairman? Please, please, please make job creation records the cornerstone of this election.
Thank you.
April 15, 2012 at 6:05 pm #754544
DBPMemberI think the evangelicals are a much bigger portion of the Repub vote than the far left are to the Dems. —d’eau breaux
—Well, what about the Occupy movement, then? Lots of people dropping off the rolls there just lately, specifically because they feel let down by Obama. If the nomination had gone to anyone OTHER than Romney, these folks might have returned to the voting booth to hold their noses and vote Obama. But let’s face it: Romney’s just not that scary, so Obama won’t be able to play the foil against him.
And that’s why this is going to be an interesting race – because we’re going to be able to get right down to core political ideologies.
It’s not going to be BLACK MAN v. WHITE MAN.
It’s not going to be SANE PERSON v. CRAZY PERSON.
It’s going to be MODERATE LIBERAL v. MODERATE CONSERVATIVE.
Whattaya think? —That Romney’s got the same bogeyman cred as a Gingrich or a Santorum? Huh-uh. Not even close.
But relax . . . I’m with you, d. Obama’s still got it in the bag.
(Lemme hear ya say: Yeh!!!)
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Anyway, the main difference I see between the “alienated” demographic on either side is age. People dropping out of the Democratic fold (if they were ever in) tend to be disillusioned young folks, while people dropping out of the Republican fold tend to be disillusioned old folks. Tea Party types.
Evangelicals? Meh. For me, they occupy the misty realms of myth. They’re a much smaller voting block than their influence on the candidates (and on American culture generally) would suggest.
Ultimately, they do the Republican Party more harm than good. Ask Smitty if you don’t believe me.
–David
April 15, 2012 at 6:21 pm #754545
redblackParticipantApril 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm #754546
kootchmanMemberwell I guess that settles it.. Obama has it in the bag. Now, can he park the big jet and save us a little money? The first act of the new congress is to ration the expense on Air Force one… and make it illegal to combine any fund raising with a presidential state visit. I love the economics of it… every trip, along with the motorcades, secret service, support planes (2 C-130 Hercules) the advance teams, … costs the taxpayer roughly 3.7 million. His average take this year has been 380K per trip. Dude just crank up the teleprompter, line up the bobble heads, and speak.
April 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm #754547
DBPMemberYa know, if you could just get your guy Romney to start talking a little more positive, ya might have more of a chance. I’m not talking the pundits, mind. I’m talking the candidate himself.
Like I said above, Romney’s a big downer. He spends so much time criticizing Obama that he makes people feel bad about themselves as Americans. Even if they don’t like Obama, they’re gonna come to the man’s defense, just because the attacks on him are so unfair.
Consider me to be in that category of Obama supporters. I’m no big fan of his, politically. But the attacks from the Right have been so extreme that I take it as a moral obligation to defend the guy.
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Back to the negativity thing . . .
Let’s see . . . who was the last Presidential candidate who made Americans feel so bad about themselves? Aw, it was Mr. Peanut: Jimmy Carter.
And who was Mr. Peanut up against? —Shucks, ma’am. Nothin’ but a sweet-talking movie cowboy who wanted to make Americans feel good about themselves again. Ronald Reagan
And we all know what happened with that election, don’t we?
I know this is gonna sound kuh-ray-zee, but the Ronald Reagan campaign style was actually a lot like the Barack Obama campaign style. Sure, they had wildly differing messages, but the key thing they both understood is this: Ya gotta stay positive.
In the epic battle of:
“Hope & Change” vs. “I hate XYZ”
—Hope & Change ALWAYS gonna win.
Tearing down the Prez may be good rebound therapy for recovering GW Bush supporters, but I’m here to tell you that it’s a LOUSY campaign strategy.
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April 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm #754548
SmittyParticipantHey, what’s the scoop on the “Willard” thing. Is that like a inside joke (tea bagger) type reference that I am not aware of? Wouldn’t be the first time, for me.
Or, just a chuckle because he uses his middle name like Hiram Grant, Stephen Cleveland, Thomas Wilson and John Coolidge did?
April 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm #754549
JanSParticipanthonestly, Smitty, I think it has to do with some who post who call Pres. Obama “Messiah” or by his middle name “Hussein”. The excuse is “Hussein” is his middle name,after all so it’s OK. Well, yes. But…we are all intelligent enough to know that it refers to the wrong assumption that he is Muslim, not born here, etc. etc.(of course, they will deny it). I think it’s just a jab…as in, after all, Willard is Romney’s given name.
April 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm #754550
JanSParticipantOk…and how come no one complained when previous presidents used AF One constantly. Is there some difference? Is there a reason this particular president is getting called on it?
April 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm #754551
DBPMemberThe Air Force One thing is a diversion. Just like the snide nicknames (on both sides) and chatter about candidates’ wives. Don’t fall for it.
All we really need to know (per dobro’s OP) is: Do Americans think the Republican strategy of cutting government, cutting taxes, and hating on Obama is right for this country now?
What are John and Jane Q. Voter feeling like?
Doesn’t matter if Romney wins big in a handful of Southern states. Obama’s still gonna win in most states with large urban population centers. In other words: most states.
April 15, 2012 at 11:20 pm #754552
dobroParticipant“His average take this year has been 380K per trip.”
Do you have any stats on how much GWB made on his fund raising trips or do you just make this sh*t up?
April 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm #754553
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