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February 23, 2012 at 9:46 pm #602272
DBPMemberDedicated to all my USMC pals on the Blog . . .
Semper Fi!
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This story comes to us via DBP’s partner-in-subversion Kathy Barker. Kathy does “counter-military recruiting” at her kid’s school (Garfield High) and raises awareness about the presence of military recruiters on high school campuses all over Washington state.
In her letter below, Kathy shares a recent episode she witnessed with the Marines at Garfield.
February 21, 2012
Dear GHS Staff and SPS Board,
On February 17, 2012, a recruiter visit was scheduled at Garfield High School, in the cafeteria. The Marines and the peace recruiters (J____ and I) were scheduled to have a table in the cafeteria from 12-12:30, lunch time.
When I arrived on campus, there was a van set up on site, and a tent and signboard were being assembled at the bottom of the front entrance. Inside, there was a Marine table set up in the doorway of the cafeteria. No Marine recruiters had signed in at the office [as per SPS recruitment policy]. I don’t know how many Marines were there; in the pictures I took there were 5.
I checked with the counseling office and found that the Marines had requested to put up the tent but had been declined permission. An administrator went out to inform them that the truck had to be moved, the tent taken down, and the display in the doorway of the cafeteria moved to a round table inside the cafeteria. The Marine recruiters complied immediately.
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However, there was also a Hummer that was now parked in the GHS parking lot. The back was opened, and very loud rock music was blaring. Shells and weapons were obvious (see photos below) and 2 Marines were handing something out to students. I told them that they were only allowed to be in the cafeteria, and they asked me if students had off-campus privileges and then moved the Hummer to Ezell’s Chicken, across the street on 23rd. I didn’t hear the music afterwards, so I wonder if Ezell’s policy might be stricter than SPS . . .
The display of weapons was particularly disturbing, especially against the background of rock music. I don’t think this dramatization of violence is what any of us want for the school culture. Recruiters wearing “Pain is weakness leaving the body” tee-shirts and displaying weapons in a school parking lot during lunch is not a good message.
I want to thank the Garfield counseling staff and administrators for their professionalism and for following policy in spite of continued attempts by the Marines to push the rules.
SPS Board, I know you are considering the Visitors to Schools policies now, and I hope you will consider this and make the good SPS policy stronger.
The Marine recruiters said that they were unaware of the policies, something we have often heard from recruiters who have broken the rules. A good website is the least that can be used to keep posted school and district rules. Right now, there is no place to go to make complaints.
Please make military opt-out* a regular part of freshman orientation/registration. The military keeps the old lists, as SPS knows, and only by opting out in freshman year.
Also, please ban displays of weapons, and the giving out of items, as many districts have done.
Sincerely,
Kathy Barker
Note: According to the terms of President Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” Act, any high school or college that accepts federal money must make the campus available to military recruiters at some level.
* “Opt-out” refers to a student’s right to ask a school not to release his or her name and contact info to military recruiters. In order to opt out, the student’s parents must sign a form saying they don’t want the military contacting them or their kid at home. Unless a student opts out, however, he or she is fair game for recruiters.
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February 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm #748658
tom kelleyParticipantWould Kathy prefer a draft?
February 23, 2012 at 10:26 pm #748659
365StairsParticipantSame story…different decade…Just a visual commercial tactic. Much cooler than 1988!
Weapons – not real. Training aids. Any of these kids could see the real stuff at a Military Surplus any day. Pick a locker in the school for the real threat (not fair but realistic).
T-Shirt Slogans – Very Real and Motivating! No different than a coach says on the field…
Loud Music – oh no…not that. What year is this again? Go to any sporting event for louder music…not your taste…oh well.
It would be impossible for any student to be “recruited” during one of these displays. They are advertising…that is all. Recruitment is a very detailed process of documentation, testing, etc.
Give these Marines a little credit. They are professionally trained. Yes, these specific Marines are selling something…a priviledge to service our country. Not an easy sell.
IF any real rules were violated…take it to the Officer in Charge of Recruiting…
Recruitment quotas are going down. Ms. Barker will get her wish. Less real people are needed to have a national defense. But rest assured…no really REST PEACEFULLY ASSURED…a Few Good Men…we still need!
February 23, 2012 at 10:27 pm #748660
DBPMember—Don’t think Kathy is pro-draft, Tom, but I will invite her to respond directly.
As for me, I would prefer less reliance on military solutions to political problems. Then maybe we wouldn’t need as a big a military. And maybe we woudn’t need to entice schoolkids into joining it.
It’s not balanced, either. Why do recruiters go after the poor, minority, and academically challenged kids so vigorously? Simple. Because those are the kids to whom the military actually looks pretty good. Everyone else is like . . . meh!
February 23, 2012 at 10:35 pm #748661
DBPMemberHey, don’t get me wrong. I like the Marines! I don’t blame ’em for using every advertising gimmick in the book. ‘s’what I’d do myself in their shoes.
It’s the hypocrite politicians who chap my hide. The George Bushes and Dick Cheneys. The 1%-ers who wanna send other people’s kids off to die while their own ‘little preciouses’ stay in college and watch the trust funds grow.
Draft those mofos!
February 23, 2012 at 10:54 pm #748662
365StairsParticipantAll I would say to Ms. Barker…before you rant about military recruitment practices…take a reflective look around you and please respect the freedoms she has because of the very process she is complaining out.
Anyone that signs up to Protect our Country and raises there hand to swear an oath to support and defend The Constitution did so because they worked with a recruiter that got their attention.
February 24, 2012 at 1:06 am #748663
roundthesoundParticipantMaybe Kathy should worry less about recruiters on campus and more about why she thinks students at Garfield are not able to make their own decisions about joining the Marines or other branches of the service.
High school graduates are facing a job-less economy and unaffordable college tuition; honorable military service is a nice alternative to a career in burger flipping.
February 24, 2012 at 1:26 am #748664
clark5080ParticipantI came out of the navy and got two years of college paid for and learned a trade, My guess the recruiters are lots of places besides just Garfield High School and also recruit not just the poor
February 24, 2012 at 3:10 am #748665
casabobaMemberINCURSION: (Dictionary.com Definition Below:)
noun
1.
a hostile entrance into or invasion of a place or territory, especially a sudden one; raid: “The bandits made brief incursions on the village.”
Trust me, IF the U.S. MARINES made an “INCURSION” you would clearly hear it before you read about it on the W.S. Blog.
HA!
February 24, 2012 at 3:36 am #748666
DBPMemberWhat, not a single liberal on the Blog tonight besides me?
Maybe it’s a boycott. (ws4ever, where are you?)
roundthesound said:
High school graduates are facing a job-less economy and unaffordable college tuition; honorable military service is a nice alternative to a career in burger flipping.
—Exactly, dude. That’s what I’m sayin’. It’s like a conspiracy or somethin’.
 Step 1) Defund public schools.
 Step 2) Jack up college tuition.
 Step 3) Ship good blue-collar jobs overseas.
 Step 4) Roll out the red carpet for military recruiters.
“The bandits made brief incursions into the cafeteria and parking lot, carrying off children to be turned into soldiers.”
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Haw. Just kidding. But really, high school kids should be thinking about other stuff. Most of the kids the recruiters snag couldn’t find Iran on a map. Next thing they know, they’re on their way there, with a rifle.
It ain’t right.
February 24, 2012 at 3:57 am #748667
JimmyGMemberReally?
This is the most dangerous thing happening to high school students? That a military recruiter might dangle some cool looking toys in front of them and they might decide to sign up to serve our country?
I wish she would direct her passions to something more important.
If it were up to me the military would be allowed to be recruiting at the high schools everyday. Complete with big fancy trucks and cool looking toys. Oh, and with loud music blasting from the cool trucks too.
Our teenagers are sorely lacking for mentors and role models, I for one am ALL for the military recruiters taking up the slack in that department.
February 24, 2012 at 7:05 am #748668
Kathy BarkerMemberThere are plenty or recruiting stations around for students to go to if they want to join the military. Soldiers don’t belong in schools- and no, they are not just like other recruiters. Military recruiters are the only ones that the government says has to be given kids’ home contact information and access to students in schools. It is only public schools that must let military recruiters in.
Furthermore- the Marines were breaking Seattle Public Schools policy. As Seattle did, more and more districts are trying to regulate aggressive military recruiting in schools by trying to ensure that the military is not being given more access than colleges and employers get. These recruiters scheduled a visit, and proceeded to break the rules they agreed to.
But at a deeper level- no, I don’t think there should be a draft. I don’t think we should be subjecting anyone to these senseless wars. And I don’t really think that suffering from PTSD the rest of your life is really better than flipping burgers.
February 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm #748669
dbseaMemberDon’t care much for this form of recruitment myself. If you’re going to make this sort of commitment it shouldn’t be motivated by flash and BS. There are better ways for kids to find out what options they have and what the military could mean to them. This seems to me the lowest common denominator way to appeal to the youngsters and the kids deserve more respect than this.
And I’d like to see a draft. Let everyone be involved.
February 24, 2012 at 6:20 pm #748670
365StairsParticipanthttp://www.marines.mil/unit/mcrc/12mcd/Pages/RSSEACOBio.aspx
Ms. Barker – the link above will take you to the Recruit Station Seattle Commanding Officer…to make an official complaint.
February 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm #748671
Kathy BarkerMemberThank you for the Marines recruiting station Commanding officer link. Any other suggestions for official complaints? There might be a problem in putting an official complaint in with the people we would be complaining about!
February 24, 2012 at 9:29 pm #748672
365StairsParticipantFebruary 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm #748673
pattileaParticipantMy son is a Marine, I am very proud of him. My son in law is in the Army, I am also very proud of him. We want the freedoms we have, but we always want some other kid to do it? Granted none of us want our children to fight. Would you rather have the draft back?
February 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm #748674
kootchmanMemberSince 1% of you send the kids to war…. we have wars. It was the dream of Congress and the Joint Chiefs to have an “all volunteer” force. Oh we get the pithy “support our troops” stories.. or chants of “USA, USA, USA” with a bunch of students rooting like it was a Seahawks game when we toasted Bin Laden… but very few make the sacrifices. In fact half of you don’t even pay the taxes that send them. We are a nation of gladitorial spectators. Want to end wars? Here’s how… have very John and Jane.. all the precious little kiddies be subject to the draft. No exceptions, no deferments, your number gets pulled, you go. (of course, 40% of the pampered little darlings are now too fat to serve, and have to go to physical conditioning platoons) .. when your future Art History majors get dragged into the mud and the blood, we will “war no more” or a hell of a lot less. Because you won’t tolerate it, and the ideal demographic of the Joint Chiefs… is shot to hell. Let’s hear the wailing behind the walls of homes on Queen Anne not just the Apartments in Burien. Let’s see the shared sacrifice spread “democratically”. Semper Fi…. 0311… good night Chesty Puller, wherever you are. Too bad only 1% learn leadership, higher sacrifice, mission achievement, accountability, initiative. tenacity and persistance. They make great citizens. Thanks to all that serve and to the recruiters that have to live with the pampered, entitled, liberals who know not of what they speak.
February 24, 2012 at 9:50 pm #748675
Kathy BarkerMemberI don’t believe this is a job for kids, at all. I don’t want anyone’s kids to fight these wars of invasion, not mine, not yours. I don’t want a draft. I want responsible policy not based on the interests of a few. I want kids to not be sacrificed- let adults leave the kids alone and not try to recruit in schools.
In the meantime- I want soldiers to obey policy at high schools.
The world does not have to stay the way it is.
February 24, 2012 at 9:54 pm #748676
pattileaParticipantKootch…….I am not a Burien Mom, local Admiral family here!
February 24, 2012 at 10:01 pm #748677
DBPMemberWhere the f**k are all the so-called liberals on this Blog?
(dbsea: My respect goes out to you.)
But . . .
Dobro?
Charla?
Jo?
Redblack?
Ken?
You all gonna sit there and tell me you’re OK with this? Whatsa matter with you? Do you get paralyzed every time someone waves a flag in your face?
This isn’t about whether we NEED the Marines. Of course we need the Marines.
This is about whether the Marines should be allowed to recruit in our high schools.
You can hate me all you want to; I don’t blame you. But you still gotta stand up for what’s right, regardless.
Pffff!!
February 24, 2012 at 10:04 pm #748678
kootchmanMemberSadly it IS a job for kids..they have the reflexes, the endurance, .we will fight them as long as 1% make the sacrifice. We make mercenaries out of a national duty and wonder why we are all over the world. Slap some “deuce” gear, lace up combat boots, on the feet of the Gates children, Bezos, et al most of the elected officials…we won’t be at war often or long. In fact, if your parents income is over 150K…. you have to go to a combat arms MOS…infantry, armor, artillery. Let’s be very “Democratic” about it eh?
February 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm #748679
Kathy BarkerMemberTHere has never been a draft from which people with money could not opt-out, not even the civil war.
That kind of equality does not exist in this country.
You don’t have to look far for inequality- kids in private schools aren’t recruited. Kids with money have more options.
Makes me wonder why anyone would want to sacrifice kids- to save what for whom?
In the meantime- maybe we can bring some equality to public schools, and try to give everyone the same options for a future, the old American dream….and not push minors into fighting someone else’s wars.
February 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm #748680
365StairsParticipantBut see…they are not technically kids at 18, Allowed to decide for themselves what first real life choice they make.
Yes…17 year olds can join on deferred enlistment with parent permission.
Back to where military recruitment occurs – on HS grounds.
Kids are getting bombarded everyday with visual next step choices – either on campus or on their cell phones via social sites about their next step after HS…
February 24, 2012 at 10:22 pm #748681
365StairsParticipantPrivate Schools are absolutely recruited from! Smaller %, but most certainly…
Me and 3 of my good buddies were all recruited from a private school in Seattle.
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