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June 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm #618772
beachdrivegirlParticipantAnother interesting link on another confusing moment for McCain….
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/katrina_kerfuffle.html
i.e.: Although McCain has voted not once, but twice against an independent commission to investigate the governments failure before and after Hurricane Katrina he is now making claims that he supported every investigation. then when questioned about he claimed he was confused.
June 6, 2008 at 5:42 am #618773
JanSParticipantBasics first…here you go…these are the requirements to run for the office of Pres. of the US….just the basics…
“So you want to be president? Forget the nerves of steel, the charisma, the skeleton-free closet, the fund-raising network, the thick skin and the legions of loyal folks who agree with your stance on all the issues. Just to get into the game, you have to ask: How old are you and where were you born?
* Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn’t have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.
* One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. John F. Kennedy was the youngest person to be elected president; he was 43 years old when he was inaugurated in 1961. There is no maximum age limit set forth in the Constitution. Ronald Reagan was the oldest president; at the end of his term in 1988, he was nearly 77.
* Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. The Constitution is vague on this point. For example, it does not make clear whether those 14 years need to be consecutive or what the precise definition of residency is. So far, however, this requirement has not been challenged.
These are the only explicit criteria in the Constitution.”
Nowhere in there soes it say you have to have introduced this or that bill, or what number of bills, or have done this or that, or have served in the military, ad nauseum, or have been a senator, or have been in the US House of Reps, or have been a war hero…
Yes…a simplified answer…but…there it is.
and, NR…you don’t believe that John McCain has skeletons in his closet? We ALL have skeletons…he isn’t exempt, I can bet you…they’re skeletons, we don’t know about them…and maybe we will, maybe we won’t…he is not a perfect man nor candidate…no one is…
June 6, 2008 at 6:20 am #618774
charlabobParticipantMaybe his skeletons aren’t in his closet — maybe they’re hanging right in front of us, ignored by the media for all these years. One of McCain’s charming “sayings” is that his base *is* the media. That’s why you’ll never hear a peep from them about how crooked is the path of the “straight talk express.”
It’s beyond media bias — he buys the media ribs and tells ’em dirty jokes and lets them ride on the bus — they ignore his preacher problems, his horrible temper, his errors in fact and his general vagueness, his marital “record”, his wife’s business’ unsavory record .. the list is long and the number of news stories about the items on the list is very very short.
Bottom line: We all have our price — the price of the national political media is, 30 pounds of ribs and a bus ticket. LOLHEHEHEHEHE :-)
June 6, 2008 at 7:09 pm #618775
AnonymousInactiveJanS – I wasn’t trying to imply that McCain DOESN’T have any skeletons, I just think that we know about all of them already. Keep in mind, he has run before.
However, there may be more to come…. you never know, it is politics.
Btw, I just have to say that I’m not as excited about McCain (not that I ever really was) since he announced his VP. Romney, right? Or has that not been confirmed?
June 6, 2008 at 7:32 pm #618776
AnonymousInactiveBtw, Ken – Lol! Thank you for the warning to all Repubs (me) regarding your link!!!!
June 6, 2008 at 7:39 pm #618777
WSMomParticipantI don’t agree with the idea that because he has run before he has been vetted. I liked the Y2K McCain, it’s the 08 McCain who scares me. His “Straight Talk Express” got derailed between then and now.
June 6, 2008 at 7:50 pm #618778
AnonymousInactiveI hope McCain wins but politics is like religion, abortion, etc .. no one is going to convince the other that their position is the right one and everyone is just going to get all riled up. How is this fun?
June 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm #618779
walfredoMemberMcCain trivia-
Which is older, the Golden Gate Bridge or John McCain?
If you guessed John McCain- you are right! The Golden Gate Bridge was completed on April 12, 1937 just 71 short years ago. Making it almost one full year the junior of the republican nominee.
June 6, 2008 at 8:29 pm #618780
AnonymousInactiveJune 6, 2008 at 8:41 pm #618781
charlabobParticipantwsblover — welcome! It’s fun because some of us love debate and because there are lots of people who read but don’t post. I think people on both sides post, in part, because something we say might sway the lurkers. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it.
If you want to see real fun, go back in the archives and read our posts when we were arguing about primary candidates after our caucuses and primaries were over — when there was absolutely nothing Wa. could do. At least we’re intrepid (OK, or stubborn).
Truthfully, this is a very democratic legislative district (the 34th) and it’s VERY unlikely Obama will lose here. Washington is very unlikely to go for McCain — even though he’s stomping all through Oregon and Washington trying to convince folks he’s an environmentalist.
NR, did he really pick Romney? That should pretty much do in the Republican “base” of social conservatives. (I refuse to call them evangelicals, because I have a whole lot of friends who are evangelical — repub and dem — who really do believe in what that great rabbi, JC, preached.) I have to go now, to work and to find out if you’re just teasing us with false hopes :-)
Then we just have to convince someone to run as a true social conservative — Reverend Hagge isn’t as busy these days. And there’s always Ted Haggard.
Frankly, if I were a Republican (which no one, least of all me, can imagine) I’d want to hand control of everything over to the democrats because the Repubs will leave such a royal mess that it will take years of hard, unpopular, WORK to get our country back. Better to “blame” it on the democrats.
One of the many reasons I supported Obama (and Edwards before him) is that I think both/either can sell that work, unpopular as it is, and make it happen.
Again, welcome wsblover.
June 6, 2008 at 8:44 pm #618782
AnonymousInactiveI would like to know why McCain is considered a war hero? Would any one else graduating at the bottom of his class ( out of more than 800)be given jets if it weren’t for daddy? Then he went on to crash 5 of those jets. FIVE. His own book says he flew 23 mission for a total of 20 hours flight time in combat. For that he received 28 medals. I was reading a story from a vet saying some guys spent up to 7000 hours on the ground in combat and received nothing.
It’s forbidden to question his military record. We are just supposed to be in awe of him. I do have the utmost respect for his time spent as a POW. Not a feat to dismiss or take lightly. He is, however, a war survivor, not a war hero.
June 6, 2008 at 8:45 pm #618783
AnonymousInactivecharla – I “heard” it from someone, but have been incredibly busy and unable to really look into anything.
I did try to Google it, but didn’t find anything, so, really, I’m not sure.
I do know that if it is Romney, I will probably give my vote elsewhere.
June 6, 2008 at 8:46 pm #618784
AnonymousInactiveYeah NR, I’m out now. I know I live in a majorly Democratic/Liberal area and I have respect for them.
June 6, 2008 at 8:47 pm #618785
AnonymousInactiveJT – Of course I agree with no part of your post, but I do want to say that I am impressed that you actually read McCain’s book. That’s more than a lot of Dems can say.
This is why I enjoy debating and discussing politics with you, you get yourself completely informed (on both sides) and question everything that doesn’t add up to you. In my book, that is intelligence.
June 6, 2008 at 8:49 pm #618786
AnonymousInactivewsblove – WELCOME, WELCOME WELCOME!!!! I’m so glad you are here!
Feel free to jump in any political discussions at any time! I REALLY could use all the help I can get!
June 6, 2008 at 8:52 pm #618787
AnonymousInactiveBefore you give me undue credit NR, I’ve only read excerpts, but if you have it, I’ll read it. Not about to give him any money :)
June 6, 2008 at 8:53 pm #618788
charlabobParticipantUm, NR — does this mean there’s hope for us? It looks like the rumor isn’t true — yet. I really doubt he’d name the VP yet — it would steal a couple of days of Obama-Thunder, but think how much longer said VP would have to be “vetted” (investigated attacked thrown off the ticket).
NR, wsblover — who would you LIKE to see on the ticket with McCain? Once again, we’re in the position where, it seems to me, the dems have too many good choices and the repubs too few.
BTW, one tiny bit of encouragement — A “whippersnapper” dem tried ran against Frank Lautenberg in the NJ primary — his main issue was Frank’s age. Frank whupped his A** (as they don’t say in New Jersey, but I try to avoid terms like cement overshoes.) Age alone doesn’t defeat people — which I find encouraging. However, seeming old, which McCain does, isn’t so much of a feature.
June 6, 2008 at 8:56 pm #618789
AnonymousInactiveRead Faith of My Fathers. I read it about 7 years ago and it is good. If anyone questions what he has done for his country, you can start by reading what he did before he even got into public office. I’m not trying to push him on anyone, I don’t think he is the best Rep. candidate and this thread is quite long so forgive me if anyone has already mentioned his book etc ..
I know he will never win in WA, no Rep. is likely too anytime soon. Last one was Reagan I think.
I doubt he will choose Romney. BTW, I made Romney and 2 of his boys hot cocoa before a play at a Starbucks in Boston in 1995 or 1996.
Does anyone remember seeing Obama on tv saying that he would not run for president a year or so ago? He has a right to change his mind. My point is that it sure would be interesting if he won based on not even wanting to run originally.
I appreciate the welcome. I’ve actually been
commenting pre forum under a different name since almost the beginning :)
June 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm #618790
AnonymousInactiveNR – I will try .. Lord knows I wished someone helped me out on this blog in the past when I was outnumbered. :)
June 6, 2008 at 9:03 pm #618791
AnonymousInactiveNR – I will try .. Lord knows I wished someone helped me out on this blog in the past when I was outnumbered. :)
June 6, 2008 at 9:16 pm #618792
charlabobParticipantI can imagine Obama said he wouldn’t run — up to a year ago, Clinton was a shoe-in (or is that shoo-in?) and, even though I really really supported John Edwards, I thought she couldn’t be defeated and tried to work up a tiny bit of enthusiasm.
Just think…a year ago both major parties were seriously debating, on both sides, the wisdom of having two New Yawkers running against each other. As if it were a subway world series. Rudy and Hill — together in the, um, land of lost toys. :-)
June 6, 2008 at 9:16 pm #618793
walfredoMemberJT- that is kind of a funny stat in regards to the number of planes wrecked versus # of hours flown for McCain.
The story that is repeated as to him being a war-hero, is that because of his position of privilage he had the opportunity to diplomatically leave his war camp. He refused to leave unless everyone in his unit could go with him, and ended up staying an extra couple of years out of principle… I’m not a McCain supporter, but that is definitely a war hero if that story checks out. I don’t really care how many planes you crash.
It’s interesting to note the difference in tone from the parties when the opposition party runs a warhero. Bob Dole in 1996, and now McCain versus John Kerry in 2004. They went right after John Kerry’s war record, attacked his medals, basically called him a pus*y, and/or an outright traitor. It was staggering. McCain should rightfully be commended for defending Kerry and condemning some of the attacks. That doesn’t seem to be inbounds for dem’s.
June 6, 2008 at 9:29 pm #618794
beachdrivegirlParticipantI orinally was posting under meg (I am not also the meg that posts on the forum now-just anohter person trying to be just like me…hahaha)on the blog page and when i registered for the forum i switched it to beachdrivegirl. You have me guessing wsblover-what name were you posting on before? I really am just very very cuious!
June 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm #618795
beachdrivegirlParticipantI also went as beachdrivegirl2 once when my posts were not showing for a day or so… (Just figured i would reveal all mine too.. :) )
June 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm #618796
beachdrivegirlParticipantMcCain has not officiallly announced a vp yet according to an article I just found. McCain met with Romney last month but according to McCain’s campaign the vp slot was never discussed. However, Romney still is one of McCains largest fundraisers. McCain has not announced when he will chose a running mate, he has only diclosed that he hopes it will be before the convention in September.
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