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September 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm #636270
AnonymousInactiveHahaha!
How, exactly, have you determined that I, personally, have moved to the “wrong state”, “wrong city”, “wrong coast”?
Last I checked, it is a free country. You do realize that there are conservatives in this country and there are conservatives right here in Seattle?
Did I miss a sign that is supposed to keep Republicans out of this state?
Again, I am so lucky to get to be witness, on a daily basis, of the open-mind, tolerant and accepting characteristics of liberals.
September 2, 2008 at 8:31 pm #636271
MissKMemberJen V thanks so much for posting how the Repubs aren’t hypocrites. It shows they stick with their values and morals whole-heartedly ;-)
Lest we forget the feeding frenzy the Repubs went on trying to nail Clinton to the post if he did or did not fool around with an inturn. So much so they had him impeached. I think these latest revelations are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to finding out who Sarah Palin really is.
September 2, 2008 at 8:36 pm #636272
MissKMemberNew Resident
Come one come all. Welcoming is what we do best. Be it republican or democrat, gay or straight, tall or short, religious or atheist, smart or dim. I was trying to make a joke of it and the area we live in.
September 2, 2008 at 8:39 pm #636273
AnonymousInactiveNR, Tonya, Danno, House you’re not witnessing a display of liberalism. A few people think they know everything and get defensive and rude when challenged. Don’t take the bait. Respond to the on topic posts about issues and I think you’ll have a different experience.
September 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm #636274
CaitParticipantYou can move wherever you want but don’t go calling the majority of your neighbors “hypocrites of the highest degree” and make character judgments of that kind. It makes you look ignorant. If you think you live around a bunch of hypocrites then you have three options. 1) Argue with them respectfully (which you categorically DO NOT – you’ll find most of us very open minded), 2) Keep your mouth shut. If you have enough of a problem with it to write “In my experience, most liberals are hypocrites of the highest degree and I get the privilege of witnessing this everyday” then please, enlighten us on your experience if you’re going to be so rude in your wording. I don’t care how rude you think that sounds or how hypocritical it is, but you have no founded reason for saying those things at all as far as I can see. Give us examples, be respectful or take your lumps and realize that you live in Seattle. You’re in the minority here, but in the rest of the country you are not. If you want to talk about being in a real nation-wide under-represented minority, don’t talk to think woman about it. I think elsewhere in the country you are MORE than well represented.
September 2, 2008 at 8:55 pm #636275
AnonymousInactive“…she is a hypocrite of the highest degree, just like most Republicans.” – JenV
Cait – This is from post #117 from JenV and this is where the “hypocrite” argument began.
Once again, people are not reading everything and judging only on what they see that I am posting (when, oftentimes, I post in response to derogatory remarks about myself or my political views).
“Keep your mouth shut.” – Cait
“enlighten us on your experience if you’re going to be so rude in your wording.” – Cait
There’s an example for you.
September 2, 2008 at 9:04 pm #636276
JanSParticipanther international experience?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zP8uFPWxaA
shaking my head…all you have to do is live close by?
September 2, 2008 at 9:06 pm #636277
GinaParticipantCan anyone find a site link that lists Washington State Voter party choices county by county? I’ve been googling and find micro demographics, but not the big chart.
I am going by memory that King County is the only “blue” county in the state, and the population is such that Washington is listed as a blue state. And only portions of King County are blue.
I don’t affiliate with any one political party, guess I am a Washington State Wishy Washy voter.
And without my reading glasses I read the topic of this thread as “McCain Picks Woman Up.”
I expect that until voting day we will be treated to the dirty laundry of every person listed on the ballot.
September 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm #636278
JoBParticipantNewResident..
that quote was not directed at you.. unless you think anything ever said about republicans is all about you..
but your statement was directed at the liberals on this blog… your neighbors.
thus.. the perhaps too personal response…
September 2, 2008 at 9:11 pm #636279
charlabobParticipantAre you talking about voter registrations or about voting patterns. I believe it’s the latter that makes us “blue”. Here’s a link to the secretary of state’s summary of election results, including a run-down by count.
Go to vote.wa.gov to see everything that’s available.
September 2, 2008 at 9:16 pm #636280
AnonymousInactiveJoB – I’m sorry. I thought the comment was from JenV, not you. Guess I was wrong.
What makes you think my statement was directed to people on this blog? That’s quite an assumption to make. You are, essentially, telling me what I, myself, was saying.
Gina – I agree. All the dirty laundry is sure to come out and probably more and more of it in the months to come.
September 2, 2008 at 9:30 pm #636281
JenVMemberstill waiting, NR, on you to cite one example of supposed liberal hypocrisy.
And what I meant to say was “Republican POLITICIANS are hypocrites of the highest degree” – that was not directed at any one person on this blog. My bad.
September 2, 2008 at 9:38 pm #636282
TrickParticipant*crickets chirping*
September 2, 2008 at 10:02 pm #636283
CaitParticipantI don’t feel a bit bad about what I said, and thanks for quoting me back to myself. You can either be respectful and combat what others are saying positively or not say anything at all. That’s what I learned in kindergarten. Coming back at people with the same crap they say to you is childlike. I do apologize if my tone was harsh, but I’m really sick of you in particular painting us all with the same brush. Republicans are a varied and diverse group of people as are democrats, so please try to stop the ignorance by not perpetuating it yourself.
September 2, 2008 at 10:06 pm #636284
CaitParticipantAnd yes, some democratic leaning commentators on this blog have said things similar to you. I don’t condone their behavior either, but I think they are mostly talking about the politicians representing the party, not all members of that party.
I am really curious though about the day-to-day examples you are privy to that make you think that way. I don’t mean that to be facetious at all.
September 2, 2008 at 10:10 pm #636285
AnonymousInactiveJenV – Sorry, missed your question to me.
What I find hypocritical (at least, politically) is their stance on school vouchers, yet, they all send their own children to private schools.
I think it is hypocritical to claim that abortion is a constitutional right (remember, I am pro-choice), when there is absolutely no language about abortion in our constitution… anywhere. However, it is explicitly spelled out that every American shall have the right to bear arms, yet, liberals (not all), do not believe in gun ownership by citizens.
I feel, on a more personal level, that liberals like to make the claim that they are open-minded, accepting and tolerant, yet this is not my experience.
A recent example of this was actually right here on the forum.
A rather new poster made a comment that they were not originally born here in America, but went on to state their personal beliefs and opinions.
That post was responded to by a member of this forum who has stated time and again that he/she is liberal, yet the response post went on to discredit the original post because it was assumed that the person who wasn’t born an American citizen couldn’t possibly understand.
It seems to me that liberals are open-minded, tolerant and accepting if, and only if, you agree with everything that they say.
This is not the case of all liberals. Many of my friends are very liberal.
This is just my personal opinion, posted because you asked.
September 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm #636286
JenVMember“yet, they all send their own children to private schools” – fact check this one? yes, rich people do tend to send their kids to private schools- Republicans too- but does that stop them from wanting a decent school system for the rest of the population?
“I think it is hypocritical to claim that abortion is a constitutional right (remember, I am pro-choice), when there is absolutely no language about abortion in our constitution… anywhere.” no, but we do have Roe V. Wade…and Republicans and right wing Christians are trying to overturn it every day. As for the 2nd amendment- has anyone tried to overturn it recently? No?
“I feel, on a more personal level, that liberals like to make the claim that they are open-minded, accepting and tolerant, yet this is not my experience.” that is your experience. You’re just hanging out with the wrong kind of people, I guess. It sounds like you’re spending time with people who aren’t genuine to their own ideals.
I am open-minded about everything except blatant stupidity.
“It seems to me that liberals are open-minded, tolerant and accepting if, and only if, you agree with everything that they say.” – much like you, if anyone disagrees with you, they are attacking you personally. and again, this “seems” to be your own personal experience. What I cited were factual accounts of Republicans saying one thing and doing another.
September 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm #636287
AnonymousInactiveSorry, Cait, but I’d like to use post #139 (in it’s entirety) as an example, as well, of hypocrisy.
September 2, 2008 at 10:24 pm #636288
mellaw6565MemberNR – let me give you an example of where it may sound attacking: You say “liberals” all the time when referring to people who don’t agree with your political ideas. Therefore, you label from the get go, and as a liberal minded person, I’m offended because you seem to think that I must think that way too, which is patently false. (Although I do disagree with some of your ideas)
What I try to do when discussing these issues is to address the issue and refer to people on the other side as just that – the “other side” of the issue. You can’t assume they are liberal or conservative just based on one issue.
If we are discussing Repub’s and Dem’s, then I usually assume we are talking platform issues that have long standing recognition by each party. Therefore I then feel comfortable in that context saying that the “Repubs” believe this or the “Dems” support that.
I then use the platforms to measure the candidates to their own respective party and that often tells me how generally “conservative” or “liberal” that person tends to be.
I don’t think I can label who on this blog is conserv. or liberal without talking about a variety of issues and/or without them self-identifying. So for example, you and I may disagree about the 2nd amendment, but that doesn’t necessarily make me a liberal.
September 2, 2008 at 10:30 pm #636289
AnonymousInactivemellaw – Thank you for your post. I like your advice and appreciate the way in which you decide to “label” or discuss issues.
I will start applying your suggestions. Thanks again.
September 2, 2008 at 10:36 pm #636290
mellaw6565MemberKewl – group hug!
September 2, 2008 at 10:37 pm #636291
AnonymousInactiveJenV – One last thing…
I think the dems are huge hypocrites in how they handle Justice Thomas. They are all for affirmative action (in every sense), until it’s for a conservative for supreme court – then not so much. That’s the epitome of a hypocrite – you can’t just have affirmative action apply to “liberal” blacks.
Note Obama’s recent comments on Thomas.
Liberals espouse this need for tolerance, yet look how “tolerant” liberals are of conservative views. Most liberals are tolerant only as to their own beliefs. Isn’t that the antithesis of tolerance – to attack someone who doesn’t agree with your views?
September 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm #636292
MissKMemberObviously McCain’s choice has hit a nerve. I don’t know if there would be the same fervor if he had picked Tom Ridge. We don’t know Palin all that well, but I must say what we know so far is not very promising.
Like I said in a previous post, she seems very personable, but not as a major player in DC. I can’t see how someone goes from the PTA to Mayor of a small town to Gov of Alaska is ready to be 2nd in command??? It blows my mind.
September 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm #636293
JenVMemberum, you tell me, NR. Seems that republicans do that daily. Can we just agree that neither respects the other?
September 2, 2008 at 10:44 pm #636294
CaitParticipantOh NR, you have really made my day. Again not being facetious, you’ve just managed to make my boring breaks from work a lot more interesting!
You may go right ahead and use that as an example of hypocrisy if you’d like. I never said I didn’t get an attitude with you, in fact I did. You deserved it, in my opinion, at the time. But overall I try to keep a positive attitude and I just wish that you could take it down a notch. I will do so and hope you follow suit.
What mellaw has said in a more concise fashion is more or less what I was trying to say. I hope that you can separate the democrats from their politicians and the republicans from theirs in your attitudes and language. I don’t think it’s much to ask and it would spare you much of my at times pissy attitude :) I think we could all learn to paint with a slightly smaller brush when it comes to our least-favorite political parties.
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