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September 7, 2008 at 4:32 pm #632747
JanSParticipantNo, NR, it didn’t answer my question…you simply repeated yourself…but thanks, anyway..
September 7, 2008 at 4:37 pm #632748
JanSParticipantJenV…I agree. Bill Clinton had absolutely nothing to do with John McCain’s indiscretion.I suppose that I should glean from that answer that it’s OK to lie, as long as it’s not under oath…got it.
And, yes, wonderful Mr. Gingrich did in fact present his wife with divorce papers while she was in hospital battling cancer.
September 7, 2008 at 4:44 pm #632749
beachdrivegirlParticipantI havent actually read all the responses to NR’s original question so I apologize if i am repeating anything. However, in my opinion, it isnt always just about experience. Sometimes especially in a failing company people want to look outside the box for someone that is going to bring new fresh ideas to the company. This is the same reason why companies do not always promote from within.
September 7, 2008 at 7:02 pm #632750
CPMemberRe: the lying to the grand jury –
Was it really any of their #$#*$@* business to begin with? Was it any of our business? It was no more our business than what’s going on with Trig Palin and who is real mother is. It’s trash and this country stooped to one hell of a low point when they took Clinton to task for an affair when the Republican party had men preaching family values having illicit gay sex in airport bathrooms.
I’m sorry, but using the old and tired Clinton/Lewinsky story is desperate.
September 7, 2008 at 9:45 pm #632751
soclwrkrinmotnMemberAnd the GOP has lied so many times, and about far more important things than who someone slept with.
Didcha forget Iran/Contra? Lying to lots and lots of folks! Shady business deals of both Bush administrations? More lying!
But hey, killing and selling secrets, and making money off of power…well, that’s just the American way, ain’t it? And well, that’s okay by everyone, but keeping your sex life private is a huge ethical problem? This country still holds to that puritan ethic, eh?
Again, hypocritical, given they are trying to seal the divorce records of Todd Palin’s business partner. *sarcastically* But I am sure that’s okay, too. Who cares if MS. racist-homophobic-out-of-date-hootchie-mama destroyed a marriage? (Truthfully, I don’t. BUT if’n it is gonna be made a big deal about…)
Think the prednisone caught up to me, JoB? Now I am just mad. Thanks for the descriptor, too.
September 8, 2008 at 5:33 am #632752
JoBParticipantSoclwrkinmotn…
feel free to vent… i am going to join CP in keyboard swearing if i hear about Clinton’s indiscretion one more time.
If that’s what they have to resort to to make a point 8 years later, they have a problem.
If Clinton’s sex life and public hounding by a special prosecutor were worthy of impeachment proceedings for lieing about sex… and it’s sooo important that it has to come into conversation regularly…
then i have to wonder why McCain’s sex life.. which was certainly still active enough 20 years ago to be legendary in the Scottsdale party circuit… and Palin’s sex life.. and her daughter’s sex life… are suddenly off limits.
I would rather talk about issues…
frankly, Ms Palin is turning out to be exactly what i expected… and the backpedaling going on defending her public record is pathetic.
I am wondering just what excuse McCain is going to use to get rid of that liability .. or what plum she will have to be promised to withdraw herself…
He got his bump.. and he got his distraction… but it really is dragging on too long to be entertaining.
September 8, 2008 at 8:10 pm #632753
JoBParticipantI found a refreshing republican insight by accident that states the real issues we face with a historical perspective that should be interesting to all..
whether you are republican or democrat, don’t let the heading on the link prevent you from reading this remarkable piece by one of our state’s republican representatives.
i tried it.. even tho it runs long it works..
September 8, 2008 at 8:18 pm #632754
AnonymousInactiveObviously I’m not a McCain supporter, but I didn’t think it would be the worst thing in world if he won. Like all politicians, he’s pandering to the base to win. Most of us liked him in the 2000 race, and it’s possible he could return to that person again (wishful thinking). Obama is doing the same. He’s much more progressive than his campaign stance.
Palin, on the other hand, is the Republican base. Anti-choice, anti-science, anti-gay. Pro-guns, pro religion in government, pro-preemptive war, pro-big business.
Yes, I know she’s running for VP. She stands an excellent chance of becoming president, however. And even if McCain were to remain healthy, Bush-Cheney have re-written the rules on VP authority and influence. We would be dealing with her philosophy, and that does concern me.
September 8, 2008 at 8:30 pm #632755
AnonymousInactiveJoB, that article is an excellent summation. I have felt this way all along about Republicans: “The party that once emphasized individual rights has gravitated in recent years toward regulating values”
The Republican party has long been hi-jacked by fundamentalists, and needs to be reclaimed by true conservatives. Democrats have their fair share of moonbats, or whatever we’re called, but they don’t run the party. Big difference.
September 8, 2008 at 8:51 pm #632756
JoBParticipantJT..
that is why i think a McCain presidency would be so bad… he has shown that he is willing to pander to the politics of the right if that is what it takes to get elected.
if he can’t stand up for what he believes in when setting himself up to run for the next election or when choosing his running mate.. when do we expect him to step up for responsible republicans?
When he was a captive, he eventually caved and signed a false confession and went along with those who had been torturing him.
He has done the same thing with the right wing of the republican party.
i don’t blame him for either instance, but i don’t trust him to stand up against the right wing if he became president either.
our entire body of law is at stake in this presidency with aging supreme court justices. We need someone who understands the constitution and will stand up for it.
the maverick John McCain is just a useful political construct.. it has little base in reality. any maverick legislation he proposed was mostly window dressing on a very real problem… and at least once, he didn’t even vote for his own bill.
This is a man who got his mavrick reputation for losing his temper… often and loudly…
It’s time for people to ask if they want image or reality when it comes to a President… image sure didn’t work out so well the last couple of terms.
and speaking of image.. electing McCain won’t do much to improve America’s image abroad… in fact, it will further weaken respect for the United States.
Altogether not a future i want to contemplate…
September 8, 2008 at 11:20 pm #632757
MagpieParticipantI just watched a show on public tv that was about the 1960’s. It was good to be reminded that Nixon won by less than 1 percent of the vote because Eugene McCarthy followers were disillusioned and did not vote.
Whomever you chose to vote for, it is extremely important to think about the future generations of Americans…what do we want for them?
As a female, I am concerned about reproductive rights and the face of the Supreme Court (which new appointees could could affect for an entire generation)..
September 9, 2008 at 5:33 am #632758
hellonwheelsMemberOk folks ….let’s get serious….
I have been reading and reading and thinkin and thinkin…
Whomever walks into the Oval office in Janurary is walking into one of the worse messes in history.
We are not going to be out of the Iraq War for a long time…..
Obama has plans, but those plans could easily change..once he is briefed on the depth of the situation there…and he always prefaces his statement with “my plan is…..” doesn’t mean it is written in stone.
It is so crucial that we all consider the characteristics of the person we are going to vote for….
I have to vote for Obama…I find him to be thoughtful, pragmatic, intelligent and willing to listen. I don’t see in him an ego that thinks he knows it all.
When I listen to McCain he just behaves like a little terrier….(I have had terrriers and I know what I am talking about). He is too reactionary for me..McCain is too emtional and implusive for me to feel comfortable with him.
He is not knowledgeable about the economy and admitted he wasn’t. Obama has a good grasp on cause and effect.
I am also sick of people throwing their Christianity around as a liscense to be right. If they are so Christian there is no way in hell they could possibly support George Bush….(I may get ill writing this)
Read “The War Within”….it is a pathetic account of a Presidency that was clueless, but the real sin here is….he didn’t really care…. This is not leftist garbage, these are taped interviews with George himself….
Really think about the country in this election…and I hope everyone will get out and work …this election is crucial for our future.
September 9, 2008 at 4:27 pm #632759
WSMomParticipantObama needs to hire Daily Show producers for his next commercial.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184111&title=john-mccains-big-acceptance
September 9, 2008 at 5:11 pm #632760
hellonwheelsMemberyou’re so right WS Mom
September 9, 2008 at 5:58 pm #632761
JoBParticipantThey should make a political ad out of the part comparing bush’s speech to McCains. that was good work!
i wasn’t so fond of the Kerry stuff.. but i do admit it was funny.
September 9, 2008 at 6:09 pm #632762
RainyDay1235MemberDarnit – I CANNOT find the “family values” thread – but had to share this. ACTUAL interviews at the RNC convention on the definition of “Small Town Values”:
September 9, 2008 at 6:23 pm #632763
JoBParticipantok.. maybe we should start a small town values thread too.. because i come from a small town and some of the values i learned there have served me well.
i learned to love my country in my small town. i learned accountability in my small town. i learned to value education in my small town. I learned that looking out for my neighbors was important in my small town. i learned to respect the law in my small town.
and that’s just a start..
i admit.. i also learned some things in my small town about how people treat other people that seemed to conflict with the small town values i was taught…
it really is sad that those things are what the republican party is now calling values.
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