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January 3, 2012 at 5:04 am #601750
JanSParticipantJanuary 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm #744264
JoBParticipantJanuary 3, 2012 at 6:34 pm #744265
DBPMemberLiberal chicks are hot-hot-HOT !!!!
There are times when they wanna be in charge — which is actually most of the time — but there are other times when they don’t wanna be in charge at all. The trick is figuring out what mood they happen to be in at a given moment. Anyone who can pull that one off will be Master of the Universe.
And welcome to it . . .
January 4, 2012 at 3:28 am #744266
JoBParticipantDBP..
i don’t want to burst your bubble
because i am a liberal chick
and i think we are pretty hot
but…
“There are times when they wanna be in charge — which is actually most of the time — but there are other times when they don’t wanna be in charge at all.”
is as true for a conservative chick as a liberal one:(
and there is no trick to figuring it out..
if she lets you be in charge
it’s because she wants to ;->
January 4, 2012 at 3:32 am #744267
TrickParticipant*Insert rimshot here*
January 4, 2012 at 3:40 am #744268
JoBParticipant;)
January 18, 2012 at 10:59 am #744269
HMC RichParticipantShucks, it is late but they have some of the history wrong.
How about the term Classic Liberalism…Here is a definition… Liberalism is a political philosophy with freedom as its core value. The term was originally applied to supporters of individual liberties and equal rights, but, in America, the term has come to represent a movement of social change that often conflicts with conservative values such as moral values and tradition.
Revisionists and time have even changed the definition, so please, a tv show written by Hollywood writers who usually are liberal is not something I can fully agree with.
But, you should be proud to be liberal just like I am proud to be a conservative.
The National Voting Rights Act of 1965. Southern Democrats had opposed this. It took bipartisan voting by both parties to pass this. In the House (Dem Majority) more Dems than Republicans voted for it. In the Senate (Dem Majority) only one Republican voted against it but 17 Democrats did, including the esteemed Mr. Robert Byrd. If not for Republicans, this would not have passed.
19th Amendment – (Women get the right to vote) Wait, what is this? More Republicans voted for it than Democrats? By Golly. From the NY Times… http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html
That is just two examples of where the actor and script were wrong. I bet if I dig deeper I will find a lot more to refute that silly show.
Every day conservatives put up with intrusive liberalism creeping into our lives. Not all liberal ideas are bad but many are.
The EPA… Nixon. Ruckelshaus… A Republican Administration…. Oh, credit must be given to activists that helped put pressure on our government. A little history… http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/history/topics/epa/15c.html
1990 Clean Air Act. Bush Sr. proposes amendments and bi-partisan voting passes the revision. http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caaa_overview.html
On the other hand, Social Security and Medicare have benefited millions of people. Yea! Good!
But they are going broke due to the mismanagement of both parties. Progressive parties.
Time for a change. Time to get back to basics and fundamentals. Time for a Tea Party.
Woodrow Wilson. Re-segregated the Government. Racist in Chief. Unfortunately the Congress did not seem to fight this abomination.
Also, Once upon a time a Young man went to Versailles after WWI and then the U.S. because he was inspired by words from Mr. Wilson for self determination for people. But he was ignored. The man’s name was HO CHI MINH.
Maybe 56,000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese might have survived if the Racist In Chief would have met with that young Idealist way back when. Woodrow Wilson might have been the worst President ever for this country.
And you guys believe a biased tv show. Read some history please.
January 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm #744270
redblackParticipantsee, rich, the thing is that you have to be more reflexive and understand complex things – like context – before you go around broad-brushing liberals. for example, a lot of dixiecrats like strom thurmond, a democrat who voted against the civil rights act, became republicans after that vote. he was a democrat. was he a liberal? hell, no, and i wouldn’t want him in my party any more than i want joe manchin, ben nelson, or mary landrieu in it.
party names and planks shift with the times. the democratic party is now more conservative than republicans were in the eisenhower administration. and nixon was a flaming liberal compared to george w. bush.
i’ll read some history. i do it all of the time.
but you should stop being so rigid in your thinking and stop pretending that you understand liberals’ motives. because you obviously don’t.
i don’t claim to understand conservatives’ motives. but i’d like to know how you square this circle:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/tea-party-house-members-even-wealthier-other-gop-lawmakers
Christopher Arterton, a professor of political management at George Washington University, called the Republican lawmakers’ personal wealth unsurprising.“Because they have amassed personal wealth, or inherited it, they are much more likely to be attuned to business or investment as an issue and less friendly towards regulations,” Arterton told OpenSecrets Blog.
now, does that describe the average rank-and-file republican? are you all wealthy, and because you’ve been businesspeople, you’re more interested in business-friendly government?
i’m not being a smart-ass. i really want to know if you feel that government should favor the wealthy. because the tea party caucus evidently does.
January 18, 2012 at 5:30 pm #744271
JanSParticipantoh, good grief, Rich…it’s a show…I liked what that particular scene said.
So…conservatives have “moral values”….is that saying “liberals” don’t? that “liberals” can’t also be traditional? just askin’ :)
January 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm #744272
JanSParticipantoh, good grief, Rich…it’s a show…I liked what that particular scene said. It’s/I’m not trying to supplant history…
So…conservatives have “moral values”….is that saying “liberals” don’t? that “liberals” can’t also be traditional? just askin’ :)
January 18, 2012 at 5:54 pm #744273
waynsterParticipant……..duck Red!!!… Kootch is going to throw snowballs your way on this….red you couldn’t have said it better…. I will add most teabaggers are the old carpert baggers from the past. White male upper middle class or rich racist zelots who care only about $… Sen Jim DeMint come on down your the next Strom Thurmound……..Also some conservatives and liberals are moderates and a lot of independents think that way its when a wench gets toosed in like teabaggers who drag the ugly out of americans and greed takes over…… hmc who brought out the worse in americans in the 1950’s Joesph McCarthy A republican senator who said this….. Our job as Americans and as Republicans is to dislodge the traitors from every place where they’ve been sent to do their traitorous work.” -Joseph McCarthy, speech before the Republican National Convention (1952) from http://www.ushistory.org/us/53a.asp all from fear the Communist had taken over……..sounds more and more like the teaparty is doing today putting fear into the average american way of thinking… talking about history that is over looked one of the most hated and feared senators in history was a consevative…
January 18, 2012 at 7:43 pm #744274
kootchmanMemberYou are supposed to have the freedoms to pursue wealth. La Republik was founded upon it. I don’t want to be an “average” American… I don’t want my progeny to aspire to “average” … what’s the point in that? BTY re” McCarthy? Trivia question for ya… who was his chief counsel during his hearings, and became godfather to his children? Hmmmm? From one of the most anti-semetic and racist families in our national history? Hey Waynster? You history buff… give ya a hint.. his father at the court of St. James was so detested for his pro=Nazi stance the British government asked FDR to recall him as a threat to their national security. Your social support fabric is woven by the surplus of capitalism… and no other society in the world has yet to duplicate and sustain such wealth. But, as Franklin said, when the “average” citizen finds out he can vote himself wealth, the republic is doomed.” and that is where we are at… the least productive amongst us scream the loudest to take from the most productive. Fortunately this is not the American character at large, not yet. You just can’t fathom that the tax and spend, confiscate the wealth was found to be bankrupt thinking. The Tea Party is not ‘afraid” they are pissed off that liberals prefer allotment by virtue of being, instead of reward by merit. Maybe they just don’t like the philosophy of envy and wealth redistribution. The kept and the keepers are laying waste to a great system.
January 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm #744275
redblackParticipantYou just can’t fathom that the tax and spend, confiscate the wealth was found to be bankrupt thinking.
and that’s exactly what i mean by not understanding liberals’ motives.
we’re not voting ourselves wealth. we’re voting ourselves security.
i favor massive federal social programs and the tax structure necessary to pay for them. and your claim is that i believe that those programs will make me wealthy? because i’m lazy? so i won’t have to work? because i’m jealous that i won’t become wealthy? or that it’s too difficult?
don’t ascribe your motives and world views to me. just because you believe in yourself over the common good doesn’t mean that i do.
January 18, 2012 at 7:58 pm #744276
kootchmanMemberI’ll help ya
“
JFK DEFENDS PATRIOT MCCARTHY
Rising at his seat, he shouted,
“How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!”
The other diners lapsed into shocked silence,
and JFK departed without hearing the rest of the program
or
” In 1953 Bobby Kennedy joined McCarthy’s staff and McCarthy was godfather to Bobby’s first child. Bobby was always loyal to Joe.
January 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm #744277
kootchmanMemberYour security is in the greatest amount of freedoms ever secured by a people. The freedom to try, strive, create wealth and keep it. There is no security when you take from anothers rice bowl. That’s the security you have been provided. If you don’t take advantage of it… sad. Your sense of entitlement is misplaced. I believe in the common good… once I take of my family, provide for their support, then I look to the common good. And ya know what? As it worked out, by taking care of mine first.. I joined the 10 per cent that carry the other 72 percent.
January 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm #744278
JanSParticipantand your point?
January 18, 2012 at 8:08 pm #744279
kootchmanMemberJust clarifying the historical record of McCarthy who had the fawning loyalty of the entire Kennedy clan…
January 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm #744280
dobroParticipant“I joined the 10 per cent that carry the other 72 percent.”
Is there any clearer statement of arrogance and condescention than this?
January 18, 2012 at 8:12 pm #744281
kootchmanMemberYou are right redblack, this republic was founded on the supremacy of the individual over the state. Every freedom you enjoy was crafted not for the common good… but the protection of the individual. Habeus Corpus, jury trial, property rights, etc.. etc… protection of the individual and individual property rights is the assurance of the common good. Is it the common good that the average 22 year old college graduate has a 54K national debt burden on his or her shoulders? Some great good this intergenerational theft by unchecked liberalism has created. How many trillions is Obama asking for this week? The keepers and the kept are sucking the vitality from a vital people.
January 18, 2012 at 8:17 pm #744282
kootchmanMemberIt’s a fact. It’s not arrogance. And I am glad it was so.
January 18, 2012 at 8:19 pm #744283
dobroParticipantJanuary 18, 2012 at 8:20 pm #744284
kootchmanMemberbout’ time!
January 18, 2012 at 8:40 pm #744285
JoBParticipantJanuary 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm #744286
oddrealityParticipantAw Kootch, they would have to print a lot more money for everyone to be rich like you. There is a finite amount of money and right now the top 1-10% are sitting on it.
Not every one can be rich and not everyone wants to be rich in money. Some people just want to live a comfortable life and enjoy the world around them and concentrate on their families not making money.Some people think there is more to life than a new car or a big house.Once you get past a certain amount of money there is little to do with it but let it sit ,ala Romney, to make more money to do nothing with…that, to me, is a wasted life.Also a huge waste of that finite resource ,money, that other people could use to live.Why sit on it and not spend it so it spreads around? Maybe create a job or two? Start a few businesses and hire those people that are living in tents?
What they want is to not be living in tents because jobs are sent overseas by the fat cats or to lose it all because they get sick after a lifetime of saving [and earning a a paltry .1% on that saving these days not much incentive to save eh?]
If you are truly worried about the college students debt perhaps our colleges ought to be publicly funded so all can go not just the rich kids or the ones that are not so afraid of being in debt they stay away.Then they could get out in the world and get going instead of paying paying paying on a debt of that size.What would your solution be??
I have hard time understanding how you can think people do not want to work or are happy to be living in tents with their children instead of working when you have been to NV. Do you not see the need for security for people??
January 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm #744287
dhgParticipant“There is no security when you take from anothers rice bowl.” ????? What does that mean? Are you saying all taxes are bad or are you saying someone is stealing from you?
It reminds me of the Golden Girls:
MA: That man stole from our family! It’s because of him we went hungry at night!
DOROTHY: Ma, we never went hungry!
MA: So, sometimes I felt like dessert!
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