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January 28, 2015 at 12:39 am #816625
waynsterParticipantSeems the Koch brothers are out to by another election thanks to the Supreme Court and we know where the money is going and its not to the Democrats …..
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/26/politics/koch-brothers-889-million/index.html
January 28, 2015 at 1:52 am #821238
tom kelleyParticipantAre you not concerned about Tom Steyer and George Soros?
January 28, 2015 at 3:56 pm #821239
JoBParticipantYes.. i am concerned about all of the individuals who are now able to dump unlimited funds into campaign chests… most of which are totally unregulated..
however if you want to counter the Koch brother’s one two punch you have to come up with someone who spends even relatively equal amounts ;->
the fact the individuals backing democratic candidates have stepped up with their checkbooks doesn’t make it ok that the Koch brothers are using their dollars to run their own little political party
January 28, 2015 at 4:16 pm #821240
rwParticipantI agree with JoB. Even Republicans should be concerned about this.
Here is a quote from Politico: “Told of the $889 million goal, Mark McKinnon, a veteran GOP operative who has worked to rally Republican support to reduce the role of money in politics, quipped: “For that kind of money, you could buy yourself a president. Oh, right. That’s the point.””
January 28, 2015 at 5:38 pm #821241
JoBParticipanti saw a statistic somewhere that indicated that the combined amount of small donations in the last Presidential election actually exceeded that of the action pacs..
but.. it didn’t buy the same kind of influence as evidenced by the legislation passed…
it doesn’t matter how much we the people step up to the plate for our election process…
we as individuals simply don’t write the kind of checks that get attention
January 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm #821242
skeeterParticipantI am (mostly) Republican and I’m concerned about this. This is one of the biggest problems with our nation and our leaders. Elections can be bought, and those who pay for the win get what they want.
January 28, 2015 at 6:57 pm #821243
JoBParticipantthe payback from those individual contributions is astronomical :(
January 28, 2015 at 7:16 pm #821244
tom kelleyParticipantAs Harry Truman quipped, “We have the best Congress money can buy”.
January 30, 2015 at 7:47 pm #821245
captainDaveParticipantWell let’s see… Didn’t George Soros and his communitarian cohorts buy the presidency for Obama in ’08 and ’12 through strategic influence over mainstream media?
Lefties have no concern about the tyrannical changes Soros-sponsored programs like Agenda 21 have had in our country–we don’t even have a chance to vote on these issues.
At least the Koch brothers support things like private property rights and individual freedom. The Koch brothers make more money when people in the US are happy and productive. Soros and his minions build power through misery and turmoil.
I don’t like any big money influences in politics–but unfortunately, that’s todays reality. We need good titans to fight bad titans until we the people can figure out how to fix the process.
January 30, 2015 at 8:30 pm #821246
JoBParticipantcaptain dave..
i have no idea what you are reading but it’s not doing you any favors…
no, George Soros and his “communitarian” cohorts didn’t buy the election for Obama in ’08 and ’12.
a little acknowledged factor called voter turnout did that.
“The Koch brothers make more money when people in the US are happy and productive.”
well, no. there is no direct correlation between either the productivity or the happiness of the people in the US and the money made by the Koch brothers.
In fact, if you look closely you will find that among other business strategies, the Koch brothers actually making more when they are doing things like pumping Canadian crude from the leases they hold through the United States and refining it at their refineries and shipping it overseas to the highest bidder…
their dollar return on their investment in American politics is incredibly high…
January 30, 2015 at 8:49 pm #821247
thansenMemberThe Koch’s one and only objective is have environmental regulations removed from law so they can make more money by not having to follow those regulations, which in turn will pollute and destroy environment.
Tom Steyer’s objective is protect the environment.
You choose which is the bad billionaire and which isn’t.
January 30, 2015 at 9:54 pm #821248
miwsParticipantJanuary 31, 2015 at 12:36 am #821249
waynsterParticipantwe once had limits then a conservative court ruling and the words out of one of those conservatives during a state of the union address …no it didn’t… well it did and some day it will be repealed…..
January 31, 2015 at 8:56 pm #821250
rwParticipantI wonder whether many conservatives who make George Soros out to be a bogeyman have actually read anything beyond conservative attacks on the guy. Here is a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
And here is a second relatively objective overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theories
And as for Soros and allies “buying” the election for Obama, I would point out that “swiftboating,” which I define as swinging elections through deceptive advertising, is a conservative invention. Liberals have also used deceptive advertising, but they, in my opinion, are still rather amateurish about it compared to conservatives.
February 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm #821251
waynsterParticipantFebruary 8, 2015 at 4:49 am #821252
SmittyParticipantI highly doubt they would waste their money on a lost cause like the WA senate race.
Good for her for playing it up though.
February 8, 2015 at 9:59 pm #821253
JanSParticipantSmitty, there is no lost cause when it comes to the Koch Bros. It’s about total power and control. We need people in the US Senate who are going to fight against the buying of Congress The amount of money spent by the Koch Bros. is obscene, and they won’t stop until they have it all, If that doesn’t concern you, then so be it. It concerns me, and many others.
February 8, 2015 at 11:12 pm #821254
tom kelleyParticipantThe lesser of two evils is still evil.
February 9, 2015 at 12:19 am #821255
dobroParticipantGlib, but true. And, of course, the lesser of two evils is still lesser than one of the evils. When that’s the only choice you get, if you’re gonna play, then the lesser is a better choice. Also true.
February 9, 2015 at 4:05 pm #821256
TanDLParticipantAnother concern for me is that the Koch Bros are now blatantly advertising their budget for the upcoming election. They hold conferences, invite candidates from the Right to spend time with them so they can strategize with the powered money-holders and then advertise how many billions they intend to spend to influence the upcoming elections. At least those attempting to buy elections in the past tried to be somewhat discreet with their spending. Now it’s a matter of course to state who they will support and how much they will spend to make sure American voters are swayed in their direction. My unease about the state of our democracy grows yearly.
February 9, 2015 at 5:56 pm #821257
wakefloodParticipantTanDL, you need to realign your nomenclature. We do not exist in a democracy and haven’t for some time now.
We live in a full-fledged oligarchy, lurching its way toward corporo-fascism.
You probably think I’m being hyperbolic. I assure you, I am not.
Have a nice day. :-)
February 9, 2015 at 7:59 pm #821258
captainDaveParticipantwakeflood : We had a constitutional republic that was effectively changed by the left into a democracy. Democracies don’t last long due to the social dynamics of “mob rule”. That’s why many of the founding fathers did not want democracy at the higher levels of government. I agree that we are well down the road into becoming a fascist state. However, crony corporatism is a symptom, not a cause of social fascism.
Enormous untold amounts of money have been dumped into the US by the Saudi’s in alliance with the soviets to bring about fundamental change in America.
All things being equal, I would rather get energy from domestic sources than to keep funding totalitarian regimes that are hell-bent on eliminating free-market capitalism.
February 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm #821259
wakefloodParticipantfree market capitalism is a figment of one’s imagination.
There aren’t and never have been, “free markets”. They have always been skewed and manipulated.
And if you think that the Saudi’s and Russia are the main culprits, then you’re in a different boat than me, cap’n.
February 9, 2015 at 10:40 pm #821260
captainDaveParticipantwakeflood: You seem to blame a lot of things on “corporations”. There are always two sides of a manipulation story. Those who manipulate, and those who allow the manipulation. “We the people” do not have control over all the individual corporations that strive to succeed. If we did have control, then it would be like communist China or Russia where the state owns most everything. It is the mission of capitalistic businesses to work towards dominating their respective markets at the desire of their shareholders. The profit incentive is how people get rewarded for making for all the cool innovation and comforts you enjoy. Since 1890, it has been the mission of government to prevent monopolistic domination to keep a fair and competitive economy through antitrust enforcement. Competition keeps wages and employment high and prices low.
You need to wake up and understand that it is our government that has failed. Corporations are just doing what they have done for hundreds of years.
February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm #821261
wakefloodParticipantI’m not going to engage with you on this CD. I could spend too much time debunking what passes for an argument and to no particular end.
Moving along…
Enjoy your week.
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