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June 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm #790007
wakefloodParticipantAnd while I’m asking questions, what’s the term one might use to describe purposely avoiding a congressional mandate to dismantle a gov’t funded program? Instead choosing to relabel it, push it into a black ops budget and growing it to fruition?
Give you a hint. It starts with a “T” and ends with “son”.
June 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm #790008
wakefloodParticipantWonder how many hours of televised outrage, congressional hearings and TRIALS we would have had if say, ACORN dodged their defunding, called themselves SEED, went under some generic HHS budget and expanded their program many times what it was before they were originally told to close up shop?
June 7, 2013 at 7:44 pm #790009
wakefloodParticipantEver seen the movie Brazil? If not, you don’t have to. You’re living it…
And a big “howdy!” to the TIA malware sitting at Comcast posting this live to Langley while I type. You guys are kicking butt and literally taking names!! How does it feel to be part of Big Brother, anyway?? Are you bored to tears? I hope to read an interview with one of you soon. Anonymous, of course. Oh wait, nothing’s anonymous, anymore, is it? ;-)
June 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm #790010
waynsterParticipantLions tigers and feds oh my… if they wanted you all they would have already taking you all away to that bad U.S. concentration camp for bad citizens and waterboarded the whole lot you for them secret cooking recipes brewery skills and pot growing green thumbs….just where do you keep that offshore bank account from the IRS…….lmfao……
June 8, 2013 at 6:54 am #790011
HMC RichParticipantThe Progressives in the Press are now confirming what I have been talking about..Here is an article from Mother Jones.
Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance
Or how about the New York Times.
Our elected officials are ignoring our constitution. They are blatantly stepping on our rights as Lovers Of Liberty.
I could go partisan on this but I won’t this time. Bless Senator Wyden of Oregon for calling this out.
I know my political stance is in opposition of many of you but, our rights trump my political leanings.
Now Democratic Senators and Left to centrist news organizations are coming to the table. Thank Goodness. The press has a job to do. To dig up the dirt on the Government.
Funny, we gripe at China for human rights abuses, but right now we look as bad as the Chi-coms.
June 8, 2013 at 5:06 pm #790012
wakefloodParticipantAnd notice how little attention was paid to Obama’s speech on Memorial weekend literally asking Congress to limit his – and every other President’s – war powers.
Think that would have ever come from a Republican POTUS? Maybe you’ll answer that simple question, Rich, seeing as you continue to ignore all the others ones I ask.
And what will Congress do about it? Are you on the phone to your Senators, all you lovers of freedom and liberty?
June 9, 2013 at 1:35 am #790013
wakefloodParticipantAnd yet again…crickets.
June 9, 2013 at 6:37 am #790014
JanSParticipantJune 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm #790015
JoBParticipanti love Andy Rooney
June 9, 2013 at 5:45 pm #790016
wakefloodParticipantThe GOP should change their logo from an elephant to a hippo….named Hypocrite.
June 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm #790017
JanSParticipantJune 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm #790018
JanSParticipantJune 10, 2013 at 5:53 am #790019
HMC RichParticipantHi Jan. This is a party line vote whether you like it or not.
Did anyone break the law? If not, then we have a difference of opinion. If they did, then they should be prosecuted.
This is our government like it or not. Just because Obama wants something doesn’t mean he can have it. If that was the case then I suppose he would be a dictator. He isn’t.
June 10, 2013 at 6:16 am #790020
HMC RichParticipantOh wakeflood. How are you?
After 9/11 I knew the Federal Government would over react. It did. Patriot Act and DHS. The airlines did what they were mandated to do with the rules set forth by the Government. It was more of the governments fault that those planes were hijacked. But of course Dems and Reps all over reacted.
Yes, the civil libertarians have been proven correct.
Yes, they did it under Bush. You happy? I am not. Although I did and do trust Bush more than Obama on any day.
Three years ago I wrote this in a forum post under the thread called TOTALLY DISGUSTING….
“Here is one of many quandries. Many people in the past few years especially when W was in office were against the Patriot Act. 28 attempted terrorist attacks have been thwarted since instituted. Obama did not kill it, in fact I believe it has been renewed or affirmed. If it was bad under Bush then it must be bad under Obama too. Two Presidents who possibly have brought us closer to an intrusive abuse of power. For now it seems mostly to be used against overseas threats but could easily be used on the electorate with the right (meaning wrong) people in power.”
So you see wakeflood, I was clairvoyant and consistent.
And now the NSA has been outed even further.
But the main point I want to make is this… Obama said anything to get elected. He used to hammer the Bush administration on these issues. Now, under his tenure, he has expanded drone strikes, approved domestic metadata information spying, sold guns to terrorists in Mexico and threatens and bugs members of the press who don’t treat him favorably.
He has broken the publics faith and the tenor of the 4th Amendment as much or more than W. And for that you should be up in arms too.
June 10, 2013 at 6:31 am #790021
HMC RichParticipantConcerning limiting powers of the Executive Branch… This from a man who claims the constitution limits the government? Didn’t he say it was a negative set of Liberties. On second thought, Congress had better pass laws to save him from himself since he can’t do it.
Wakeflood, here are a couple of more times I stood up for liberty.
Four years ago I wrote this as part of a much longer post…
“Also, the bail out and the stimulus package are making people more reliant on the federal government and less locally and statewide. Many of you complained about government intrusion due to the Patriot Act. Why do you also want the Federal Government have even more power?”
Three years ago I wrote this in post 27 when the LaRouchies were putting a Hitler mustache on Obama. ….
Let them protest. Let no more Patriot Acts pass. Do not let your liberties be corrupted by the Federal Government. Although tasteless and stupid they drive people to ponder other choices. ….
June 10, 2013 at 7:00 am #790022
HMC RichParticipantLet’s See… Feds Abusing their Power.
1. AP reported the Obama Administration using secret email addresses. http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=NOPRHOIl
Transparancy as reported by Michele Malkin…
Hostility to transparency, of course, has been a hallmark of this administration from top to bottom. As I reported from the very first days of the Obama regime’s vampiric tenure:
–Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for years fought disclosure of massive donations from foreign governments and corporations who filled her husband’s library and foundation coffers.
–Former Labor Secretary Hilda Solis failed to disclose that she was director and treasurer of a union-promoting lobbying group pushing legislation that she was co-sponsoring.
–Attorney General Eric Holder overruled his own lawyers in the Justice Department on the issue of D.C. voting rights (which he and Obama support) and refused to make public the staffers’ opinion that a House bill on the matter was unconstitutional. His stone wall of obstruction extends from the New Black Panther Party voting rights case to the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal to the Solyndra green boondoggle bankruptcy and Gitmo closure plans and conflicts of interests — all while touting a new “Open Plan for Government” from which he has conveniently exempted himself.
–Former No. 2 official at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, former King County, Wash., Executive Ron Sims, had the distinction of being the most fined government official in his state’s history for suppressing public records from taxpayers.
–Former green czar Carol Browner infamously bullied auto execs to “put nothing in writing, ever.” She was singled out by the White House’s own oil spill panel for misleading the public about the scientific evidence for the administration’s draconian drilling moratorium. The Interior Department inspector general and federal courts blasted drilling-ban book-cooking by both Browner and former Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who falsely rewrote the White House drilling-ban report to doctor the Obama-appointed panel’s own overwhelming scientific objections to the job-killing edict, as a culture of contempt and “determined disregard” for the law.
Remember: While head of the Clinton administration’s EPA, Browner ordered a staffer to purge and delete her computer files to evade a public disclosure lawsuit. Lambasted by the judge for “contumacious” behavior and contempt of court, Browner claimed it was all an innocent mistake — and blamed her young son for downloading games on her work computer that she was trying to erase.
And in case you’d forgotten, Obama set the tone by breaking his transparency pledge with the very first bill he signed into law. In January 2009, the White House announced that the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act had been posted online for review. Oopsy: Obama had already signed it — in violation of his “sunlight before signing” pledge to post legislation for public comment on the White House website five days before he sealed any deal.
In 2010, corporate lobbyists met hundreds of times with administration officials at Starbucks, Caribou Coffee, even on a side lawn — with the express purpose of circumventing the public’s right to know. The coffee loophole klatches were arranged by Team Obama members using, you guessed it, personal email accounts to communicate with the influence industry.
When Obama vowed that “transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency,” he didn’t mean “touchstones.” He meant sinkholes.
Now, when Mr. Sunshine touts his reveal-as-we-say-not-as-we-conceal record, I’ll welcome company from the Johnnies-come-lately of the White House press who see the truth and laugh out loud, rolling on the floor.
And it is only going to get worse.
June 10, 2013 at 8:37 am #790023
JanSParticipantoh, good grief, Rich…you’ve gone off the deep end, it seems…
June 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm #790024
JoBParticipantHMCRich..
when Bush transgressed you politely noted the transgression..
when Obama transgresses you rant as though the world is ending.
yet the issue is the same
presidential abuse of power
that don’t drink the koolaid stuff isn’t party specific
we got exactly the President i predicted
He is a product of our times
One thing that Obama has taught us is that it doesn’t matter how charismatic a president is, unless we change the underlying conversation, little changes.
June 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm #790025
wakefloodParticipantJoB’s got it right, as usual.
We have a system of joint Industrial Complexes that both require our government’s money (yours, mine, ours) and regulatory benevolence to exist.
We are as chattel to them. Things to be manipulated as needed to prop up their quarterly profits. The US is a wholly owned subsidiary of them. First and foremost is the Military/Security Industrial Complex. Followed by and connected to, the Financial Industrial Complex. The Medical Industrial Complex is disappointed they’re in 3rd place but they’ve had a great run!
All who enter their realm are either assimilated via bribes/coercion/fearmongering or are removed forthwith for attempting to resist. People are slowly but surely starting to understand this.
The only question that remains is whether it’s actually possible to change this from within the system or not. One thing’s for certain, it’s going to take everyone from both sides to gain enough momentum for change. And therein lies the rub. Who’s vision prevails in the “better” future, should we be so fortunate to actually break the grip of the IC’s?
I so dearly hope it ain’t Rand Paul’s…
June 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm #790026
wakefloodParticipantAnd since I prefer to backup my rhetoric with some data, here’s a quick data point re: The M/SIC I referred to:
Booz Allen Hamilton took in 23% of it’s total revenue from the Feds for “security” work in the last fiscal year. That’s $1.3 B.
Personally, I would have rather had some better schools or maybe some green energy funding. But that’s just me havin’ my priorities outta’ whack…
June 10, 2013 at 4:23 pm #790027
wakefloodParticipant…and that $1.3B is just to operate and maintain a system they and others have been building out since the early 2000’s, when yes, you guessed it, Cheney and his minion, Poindexter, birthed Total Information Awareness.
Yes, creating Big Bro is a growth industry!
June 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm #790028
wakefloodParticipantAnd it really doesn’t bother me specifically that we’re building out a “security” environment per se. I’m just wishing that we:
A)Spend that money making sure that China can’t hack our systems into useless junk.
B)Not have the apparatus pointed at American citizens indiscriminately.
C)Have civilian oversight that actually involves knowledgeable citizens as opposed to cronies of the system.
D)Spend more time and $ figuring out better ways of NOT making enemies and radicalizing non-radicals. Actually, that should be A).
June 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm #790029
JoBParticipantwakeflood
yes.. thank you for adding substance to my comments
i don’t have the time or brainpower to do i myself today..
after putting jalapeno and red bell peppers in the ground.. i need a nap :)
June 10, 2013 at 4:50 pm #790030
wakefloodParticipantAlways welcome, JoB! May your peppers get the heat they crave and return it to you in tastiness!
June 10, 2013 at 9:26 pm #790031
HMC RichParticipantNo Jan, it may seem that way to many of you. I wish 1984 would go away but it is like the Energizer Bunny.
Look at it this way. The government and the industrial complex both benefited from the “crash” in 2008/2009.
The politicians have become royalty who do not want to answer to the public. No wonder they view the TEA Party and actually Occupy with disdain. I for one would rather have TEA Party and Occupy candidates running instead of the Jim McDermott’s and Lindsay Graham’s running.
Belize is looking nice these days.
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