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November 18, 2011 at 5:46 am #601292
csw2119ParticipantDorli will be a guest speaker at the Occupy Seattle rally at Westlake Park this Sat. I don’t have an exact time for her speech. It’s going to be a sunny day, come down to the park and see for yourself what’s going on!
November 19, 2011 at 12:32 am #740960
JVMemberI wonder what kind of brilliance she has to share. After 84 years on this earth, you would think she would have been wise enough not to surround herself with the type of people who provoke pepper spray!
Now if she’s sharing some fantastic cookie recipes, that’ll be a good use of your time!
November 19, 2011 at 2:57 am #740961
dobroParticipantI guess you didn’t see her interview with Keith Olbermann. She’s an extremely well spoken woman who grew up in Germany/Austria during Hitler’s rise, who has participated in the civil rights movement, the women’s rights movement, has a unique and powerful perspective on our era, and has a lot of wisdom to pass on that has nothing to do with recipes.
You’re joking, right?
November 19, 2011 at 3:01 am #740962
datamuseParticipantI’m still trying to figure out what “type” of people provoke pepper spray.
Not JV’s type, I’m guessing. Or so s/he thinks, anyway.
November 19, 2011 at 5:52 am #740963
BostonmanMemberShe got pepper sprayed for being in a group that was breaking the law. I don’t care if she was 84 or 15. You break the law and stuff happens. The right to protest doesn’t give you the right to create civil disobediance.
November 19, 2011 at 5:56 am #740964
JanSParticipantwow, JV, you certainly have a skewed view of women, don’t you. So women should shut up, stay home, bake cookies,barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? don’t have a brain? I’d like to see you go one on one with Ms. Rainey, debating what’s right and wrong with this country and this world.
November 19, 2011 at 5:59 am #740965
JanSParticipantBostonman…sometimes the protests are inconvenient…democracy is inconvenient at times. But as long as people play by YOUR rules it’s OK? I think “civil disobedience” is the point…to make yourself heard….
November 19, 2011 at 6:24 am #740966
dobroParticipantAnyone that thinks peaceful demonstrators exercising their constitutional right to assemble deserve to be attacked by police with pepper spray needs their head examined.
November 19, 2011 at 6:43 am #740967
dobroParticipantHere’s a link to the interview if you actually care to hear what a smart, committed 84 year old sounds like. I made it into a TinyURL cuz it was long. It links to the Current TV website where the video is held.
November 19, 2011 at 6:55 am #740968
csw2119ParticipantIt seems that there are a few of you who don’t understand what patriotism is, or caring enough about our country to take a stand against injustice.
Have you not seen the injustice? Or do you just turn away from it? The politicians are not working on your behalf, they are working for Wall St. It’s legal for politicians to do insider trading, to get in and out before you and I know have any idea of what’s happening. We could talk about the criminals that are on the board of the FED. How about your parents, are they able to get by on their social security with prices climbing constantly? I sure hope they don’t get sick without Medicare. And what about you? Now that your house is less than it was worth 4 years ago, and you’ve lost money in your 401K, do you thing you are going to retire. . . before 70??? Do you know anyone who had their house foreclosed? Friends that can’t find a job? Then there is war, putting this country in obscene debt, and countless lives gone, not to mention destroyed families.
Ms. Dorli, is fighting for a better government, world, and future for everyone. I believe it was the Mayor in Oakland that said, “democracy is sometimes messy”. It’s messy and inconvenient, and it’s going to continue until changes are made.
What exactly are you doing to make the future better for all?
November 19, 2011 at 7:12 am #740969
JanSParticipantdobro, thanks. I hadn’t seen that. What a wonderful, courageous woman.
November 19, 2011 at 7:16 am #740970
csw2119ParticipantI second that, thank you dobro.
November 19, 2011 at 8:13 am #740971
dobroParticipantHere’s another important perspective on policing by former Seattle chief Norm Stamper..
http://www.nationofchange.org/lessons-police-chief-militarization-mistake-1321627137
November 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm #740972
JoBParticipantbostonman…
perhaps you don’t fully understand the role of civil disobedience in our country…
Thoreau’s essay on civil disobedience from the mid 1800s stated the case aptly…
you can find a summary here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_%28Thoreau%29
November 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm #740973
JVMemberDobro, you are the only person who saw the interview with Keith Olberman. He has like 200 viewers, all of whom are already in full agreement with him on everything anyway. Much like the past few posts on this thread, just patting each other on the backs. How cute.
So if Olberman cared about real journalism, why didn’t he do a show on the people who died or were raped in these camps? Those are far worse than getting pepper sprayed…I’m sure even you would agree with that.
November 21, 2011 at 3:44 pm #740974
JoBParticipantJV…
if you watched the Oberman show you might learn why he did this show…
is your basic argument
that if people are dieing in these camps (have they died of violence ?) or being raped
then it is ok for the police to assault them with pepper spray?
or that
if they choose to demonstrate in America
then they have intentionally placed themselves in jeopardy
so it is ok for the police to assault them?
not such a good argument when you put it that way, is it?
November 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm #740975
JVMemberObviously I’m not saying it’s okay for Police to assault anybody. (obviously to most anyway)
I’m saying that death and rape is wose than an hour of ouchie eyes and scratchy throat. But Olberman wouldn’t bother to do stories on that stuff because those stories don’t play as well to his audiences’ heart strings. Also, the peppered grandma story had video which makes it easier for his audience to understand because it doesn’t involve any reading.
(as for the deaths, they tend to be drug overdoses, etc.)
November 21, 2011 at 5:17 pm #740976
BostonmanMemberLOL so you are telling me because its a cause you believe in people should break the law. Bull. Spin it how you want, break the law get pepper sprayed. Don’t like it tough.
November 21, 2011 at 5:51 pm #740977
dobroParticipant“Dobro, you are the only person who saw the interview with Keith Olberman.”
I posted it here. Did you watch it? Why would the number of people seeing it have anything to do with its content? Have any cogent comments about the issues instead of Foxnews lies and misrepresentations about drug use and rape? Didn’t think so.
“break the law get pepper sprayed. Don’t like it tough.”
JoB posted a classic writing on civil disobediance. Did you read it? Do you think there should be different levels of force for law enforcement or is it just “break the law get pepper sprayed”? Comment on this would require thought and consideration, not just short slogans. Up for that? Didn’t think so.
November 21, 2011 at 6:15 pm #740978
JVMemberDobro, so you’re saying that the rapes, drug use and various other crimes didn’t take place?
Or because Fox News (also) reported on them, it magically makes them fake stories?
As for civil disobedience, the Occupooers don’t have a right to block roads, businesses, sidewalks, etc. because the rest of us have a right/obligation to go to work and provide for our families, or go shopping downtown without being harrassed by these people.
November 21, 2011 at 8:07 pm #740979
JanSParticipantJV…seems to me that you are more interested in the pooing, raping, violence in the world, than with what is actually happening in our country. It seems to me that you have an obsession with these things, since that;s all you talk about. Might you be able to let all of that go, and start talking about the issues in an intelligent way? Or will you continue to dwell on the seedier side of society? Is that all you’re really interested in? Hmmm…
November 21, 2011 at 9:11 pm #740980
BostonmanMemberBecause rape, drug use and various other crimes aren’t the seedier side of society? Bull again.
Dobro, breaking the law is breaking the law. If a cop pulls me over for speeding and I don’t pull over and after he chases me for 2 hours I better expect to get my ass thrown to the ground. You know why? Because I broke the law. Pepper spray is probably a first deterent to getting these vagrants to comply with the law. I guess they could have tased them too which wouldn’t bother me one bit.
All non lethal forms of riot control. I don’t care if you think its justified.
November 21, 2011 at 10:07 pm #740981
kootchmanMemberWhat issues? Pepper spray is the smell of protest. Don’t wimp out. If you are going to defecate, trespass, infringe, trespass, defy, get the full experience. Embrace the pepper spray … be at one with it. A taser jolt, irritated mucosa, and a few bumps and lumps..these are things that come with occupying space you don’t own. oooommmmmmmm!
November 21, 2011 at 10:30 pm #740982
dobroParticipant“All non lethal forms of riot control. I don’t care if you think its justified.”
Thanks for clarifying. I don’t care what you think either so I guess discussion’s over.
November 21, 2011 at 10:34 pm #740983
JVMemberJan, the crimes I’ve discussed coming from the seedier side of society is all-inclusive with this Occupy trip! The criminal element is still going to be there, whether you want to ignore it or not. I’m not dwelling on it, I’m just pointing it out because some people want to make excuses for these crimes, and that concerns me. It should concern everyone.
They want you to think that occupy people are just a nice, sweet bunch of people who are singing songs, and then some big mean police man just pepper sprays them for no reason! GASP! “Dorli Rainey, a sweet 84-year-old was just knitting sweaters and she received an unprovoked shot of pepper spray!?”
I’m sure that’s how it was presented on NPR.
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