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September 9, 2012 at 3:31 am #770186
dobroParticipantHey, here’s another poll thingie I just ran across from Politico…
“President Barack Obama heads out of the national political conventions with a much clearer path to winning, top advisers to Mitt Romney privately concede.
Two officials intimately involved in the GOP campaign said Ohio leans clearly in Obama’s favor now, with a high single-digit edge, based on their internal tracking numbers of conservative groups. Romney can still win the presidency if he loses Ohio, but it’s extremely difficult.”
They’re saying that “high single digit” is 9 points. Gonna be tough for Rmoney to win without Ohio. In fact, no Repub candidate has ever won the Presidency without taking Ohio.
September 9, 2012 at 9:36 am #770187
kootchmanMemberWest Seattle, Grasping at Straws, contest. Hosted by by Dobro. Friday job reports, real household income declines, real household net wealth declines, labor participation rate, lowest since Great Depression and getting worse… that’s the fight. Politico has Ohio where? Gonna be tough? Let’s see where the polls are this coming week. The godless Democrats have some explaining to do. It’s starting to stink… Obama and Joe insisting things are getting better is starting to look like denial. They aren’t feeling the pain… they are pretending it doesn’t exist.. it’s just a message tweaking problem. I sure didn’t hear a Democratic “plan”. Just more spending and larger deficits. we know what an Obama jobs plan is.. spend $250K of taxpayer dollars for a 65K government job. Go deeper in and deeper in debt when we already know the obvious… only private sector employment has the breadth of reach to stimulate the economy.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard
September 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm #770188
miwsParticipantSeptember 9, 2012 at 2:52 pm #770189
redblackParticipantThe godless Democrats have some explaining to do.
LOL.
like, “why did you guys govern and run the economy like republicans?”
see? this is what laissez-faire voodoo economics gets you. low wages and no economic parity. it’s time to try raising – and enforcing – taxes for a change.
September 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm #770190
dobroParticipant“…we know what an Obama jobs plan is…”
You mean the one that’s been bottled up in the House for over a year?
PS yep, we’ll look at the polls this week.Let’s keep an eye on the Ohio stuff. No Republican has ever won the Presidency without Ohio. I don’t think Rmoney will be the first to do so.
September 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm #770191
dobroParticipantOh, here’s a new one from your pals at Rassmussen (aren’t those the guys you think are always right?)
It’s Sunday morning, and now we have Obama’s job approval numbers from Rasmussen, based on interviews done Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Remember that the job numbers came out first thing Friday morning, were reported all day Friday on TV and online, and were in the Saturday papers. How’s he doing?
Date Approval Disapproval
Sun. 9/9 52 47
Sat. 9/8 49 50
Fri. 9/7 47 52
Thurs 9/6 46 54
Seems to be going up in the approval column.But we’ll still check them in a couple of days.
September 9, 2012 at 3:26 pm #770192
dobroParticipantWow, yet another from your gurus at Ras…
“The president is enjoying a convention bounce [Obama leads 46-44] that has been evident in the last two nights of tracking data. He led by two just before the Republican convention, so he has already erased the modest bounce Romney received from his party’s celebration in Tampa. Perhaps more significantly, Democratic interest in the campaign has soared. For the first time, those in the president’s party are following the campaign as closely as GOP voters. Interest in a campaign is typically considered a good indicator of turnout.”
September 9, 2012 at 3:38 pm #770193
dobroParticipantI can’t believe this! Mr. “On my first day as Prez I’m gonna repeal Obamacare” goes on Meet the Press and says…
““I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform. Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place,” he said on NBC’s “Meet The Press. “One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.”
…Asked on “Meet The Press” if he wants to repeal those two popular provisions of the law, Romney said, “Well, of course not. I say we’re going to replace Obamacare. And I’m replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people.”
You know what else the Mass plan has? A mandate! Labor day has come and gone and I think Rmoney has decided he’d better leave those teabaggers behind and head for the middle. The old etch-a-sketch is beginning to shake.
September 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm #770194
NFiorentiniMemberYou give ’em hell Dobro!
September 9, 2012 at 4:55 pm #770195
DBPMemberHey. I thought we were talking about what a great guy Bill Clinton was? Whatever happened to that thread?
Bill, you wanted another 15 minutes of fame. OK. But don’t forget that for every 15 minutes you get, the opposition gets 15, too.
And my 15 ain’t up yet.
See you on another thread, Jed.
September 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm #770196
NFiorentiniMemberDBP-Like I said earlier, I get the criticism of Bill Clinton. He lied. Clearly no dispute.
But why are you hanging on to that when the lies of the Bush Administration seem to make Clinton’s lies seem insignificant?
Here’s a *very* brief rundown (to help jog everyone’s memories)…
* Iraq had an on-going, robust chemical and biological weapons program, which included mobile labs, storage facilities, and aerial drones capable of dispersing agents.
* Saddam Hussein tried to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger.
* Saddam Hussein had worked with al-Qaeda and helped bin Laden with the planning of the 9-11 attacks.
* Saddam Hussein had an on-going nuclear weapons program.
* Ahmed Chalabi had no connections to the American government and was part of an Iraqi grass-roots opposition effort to the Baathist government.
* The proceeds from Iraq’s oil sales would reimburse the US for the cost of the war.
* The staged-for-the-media toppling of Saddam’s statue by supposedly-average Iraqi citizens.
* Jessica Lynch’s “rescue.”
* Halliburton received no favorable treatment in the bidding process for contracts in Iraq.
These are just off the top of my head and, in my opinion, any one of these makes the Monica Lewinsky thing pale in comparison.
September 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm #770197
dobroParticipantBTW, when Clinton lied, nobody died. See the difference?
Where did the thread change? See post #41. If you’d like to get back on topic, here are the questions I began with. Have you answered yet?
Is there a Republican politician working today who could pull off a 2/3rds improvised stemwinder like Bill Clinton just did? Who would that be?
#2- Pretty nice having the last Democratic President give such an impassioned speech in favor of the candidate. Why do you think the last Republican President didn’t do the same for Rmoney?
September 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm #770198
miwsParticipantSeptember 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm #770199
elikapekaParticipantBill Clinton has a wandering eye, chases skirts, cheated on his wife and lied about it. Absolutely true.
Bill Clinton has an unmatched ability to distill policy points down to a few crisp sentences and make it easily understandable and entertaining at the same time. Absolutely true.
So you see, we have two things that are true, but they are also unrelated. His speech checks out. You want to talk about his personal peccadilloes, feel free, but it doesn’t make a whit of difference when it comes to his command of the issues and the facts.
September 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm #770200
JanSParticipanteven Romney said it was a good speech….and GOP’ers are saying (thinking) that they don’t have anyone who can deliver a speech like that. What was said? Let me see…except for the constitutional thing, Clinton could run for a third term…and win…
I was talking with a friend this morning about GWB. Imagine what it must be like to be him right about now. No one will acknowledge that he exists. They won’t say his name. They didn’t invite him to speak. In a personal sense, you gotta feel sorry for the guy…how depressing to simply be ignored like that, like you don’t exist.
September 9, 2012 at 10:52 pm #770201
kootchmanMemberEven his closest security advisors admitted his character did cost lives. He was so frantic, distracted, sidetracked, national security concerns took a back seat. Including one Osama Bin Laden… the CIA was screaming to get him before he went underground… see a flawed moral compass DOES affect the office of the President. If that weren’t the case… then why do you think every major corporation in the world and the US Military forbid fraternization? Do you read now many commanders have been relieved of duty in the services the last two years? It affects the performance of duty. Character does count. Could he win a third term.. hell no. But it’s nice to hear that you wish he could. You seem to forget the wilderness tour of Bill Clinton after his presidency… I didn’t see Al Gore asking him to speak at his nomination…. did you? In fact, Al thought and expressed the Big Dawg was the reason the Democrats lost the Oval Office…. how easily we forget.
September 9, 2012 at 11:36 pm #770202
JanSParticipantlook…I didn’t say it, Romney did…do I want him for a third term? Did say that? Show me…no, I didn’t say that…but..you type anything you want…someone’s bound to believe it..
“Could Clinton, who remains popular more than decade since leaving the White House, get elected today? Romney made reference to the 22nd Amendment in his answer to NBC News:
“You know, if the Constitution weren’t in his way, perhaps. But I don’t know the answer to that,” Romney said.”
September 9, 2012 at 11:55 pm #770203
kootchmanMemberReflexive defensive… I opined a “hell no” It was a good speech.. the old wagging finger or non-truth and all… it was a Dawg and Donkey show of the first order. He always could bullshit a lotta folks. Man, the lines of crap he must have told Hilary over the years…. he is lucky … her ambition exceeded her anger. So character is unrelated to how a person is? Elikapedia, when all is said and done.. it’s your character that counts.. I don’t how you separate them.
September 10, 2012 at 12:01 am #770204
kootchmanMemberHeld/Safe Republican 46
Leans Republican 1
Toss-Up 6
Leans Democrat 7
Held/Safe Democrat 40
September 10, 2012 at 12:18 am #770205
JanSParticipantand you would know about telling crap, huh..
September 10, 2012 at 12:20 am #770206
JanSParticipantagain…did I say anything about character? Nope..not anywhere in my post.
September 10, 2012 at 1:43 am #770207
miwsParticipantClinton’s stupidity of letting Monica crawl under the desk would not have become the huge issue that it did, had the repubs not made it so.
It would have been a much less public…uh…..affair, and the one most hurt by it, would still have been a teenage Chelsea, but likely to a much lesser extent.
Mike
September 10, 2012 at 1:57 am #770208
dobroParticipant“…it’s your character that counts.. I don’t how you separate them.”
Kinda like how Newt Gingrich championed Clinton’s impeachment while having his own affair at the same time? The hound dog thing is one area of truly bipartisan agreement in Congress.
September 10, 2012 at 2:58 am #770209
elikapekaParticipantKootchman, it’s really easy to separate the two. Facts that check out are facts that check out. They don’t suddenly become untrue because you don’t like the messenger. Feel free to ignore anything he says because you don’t like his personal actions. But it doesn’t mean he isn’t right.
September 10, 2012 at 3:40 am #770210
kootchmanMemberPlaying taste the cigar and guess where its been with an intern in the Oval Office …. I guess if you think that conduct in a US Government office is ok… he’s your guy. You blame Republicans for what he did.. he lied under oath. That’s perjury. That’s a crime. Bet it was Cuban too!
“We have reduced lying under oath to a breach of etiquette, but only if you are the President” and so a Democratic tradition was born……
Stay thirsty my friends…..
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