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March 18, 2009 at 2:05 am #660700
JanSParticipantwell, being as I’ve just been told that I have to cut way back on my quota of beer…..and wine, etc., etc….I ain’t sharing with noone and nothing…hehehe…they have to get their own !!!!
March 18, 2009 at 3:26 am #660701
datamuseParticipantSomebody asked about the 9 Lb Hammer and dogs…here’s your answer.
March 18, 2009 at 3:45 am #660702
KevinParticipantI don’t think anyone has mentioned yet that Petco, or one or more pet store chains welcome dogs. There does not seem to be any issue with that.
March 18, 2009 at 4:03 am #660703
JoBParticipanti like the guy with the parrot in the link datamuse posted…
when ejected because he brought his parrot in.. he said his parrot had been thrown out of much better places that that ;->
March 18, 2009 at 4:08 am #660704
datamuseParticipantWell…you know…the parrot probably had.
March 18, 2009 at 4:43 am #660705
AnonymousInactiveGreat beer selection = good times and having your service dog with you while you imbibe = even better times. At least when you’re stumbling back to Westwater your dog will have your back.
I wonder why there aren’t any hypo-allergenic bars around.
March 18, 2009 at 5:04 am #660706
RainyDay1235MemberI tried to be humorous, but alas…it was too subtle :)
March 18, 2009 at 5:33 am #660707
cakeitseasyMemberMmmmmmm WET DOG SMELL. I’m sure everyone loves to be enveloped in that while they’re drinking beer, buying groceries, eating…how appetizing.
By the way,do you think it’s fair to people who actually do rely on service dogs for you, scofflaw, to plan on *lying* about your dog if confronted? So,that person with the service dog has to endure getting the hairy eyeball because someone will assume they are also lying, self-righteous scofflaws too? Not cool. (Being a scofflaw is one thing we’re all guilty now and then…openly flaunting and feeling justified for doing so is quite another matter).
I would think that after a while, with potentially so many people carting their dogs in there, even other dog owners would get fed up with the smells and ‘accidents’ that will occur. A couple of dogs? Most could deal with that…but when all dog owners feel *entitled* (yeah, there’s that word again) to have their dog in a bar…it’s going to get unpleasant, and then there’s bound to be a backlash even amongst dog owners. As you see now with leash vs offleash situation.
Bet that owner will change his tune quick if some unhappy customer has a mishap involving a pooch, gets hurt and threatens to sue.
March 18, 2009 at 5:40 am #660708
AnonymousInactiveGet out the pitchforks and torches, there’s going to be a lynchin’ tonight at the BPP!
I mean, come on people! Why are you people attacking a local business that chooses to cater to a niche crowd?
Health violations? Lawsuits? What’s next, a full on mob scene? What the heck is wrong with this picture?
You people that are whining about dogs at BPP are probably the same people that ran that poor guy over with your car on Roxbury earlier this evening while you were talking on your phone, sucking the foam off your latte, and changing CDs.
March 18, 2009 at 7:08 am #660709
Dog Free ParksMemberHi All: Personally, I am all for as many dogs showing up at BPP as possible… heehee… the more park for me. [Oh, that is so selfish!]
Hmmm… I say let the dogs into the pubs, and take the beers to the beach! Yah, I can break laws too…
To an earlier poster — Yah, Dog Free Park — good name for a park! Make it one on the beach!
March 18, 2009 at 7:31 am #660710
AnonymousInactiveWait….if you have a beer on the beach then you should get a ticket, right?
This is going to be freakin’ sweet. I need to get a cam so I can film the retaliatory citizens arrestmanship that’s going to erupt around Linkin Park…
Dog Phree Pack: “HEY PICK UP YOUR DOG POOP OR I WILL MAKE YOU GET A TICKET”
Renegade Pet Ownman: “PUT DOWN THE BEER – STEP AWAY FROM THE CAN”
I predict this will escalate to fisticuffs within one week. Finally, some action at the beach!!!
March 18, 2009 at 2:51 pm #660711
littlebrowndogParticipantKevin, re pet stores and some other places permitting dogs freely: non-food-serving places of public accommodation have the option of permitting all dogs if they so choose. Some do, most don’t. It’s places that don’t that must nonetheless permit service animals, along with places that serve food.
Places of public accommodation have the legal right to ask the following 3 questions: “Do you have a disability?” “Is that a service dog?” “What tasks does the dog perform for you?” Most places just ask “Is that a service dog?” if they ask anything at all. My dog always wears a cape identifying him as a service dog, but that is not required. The cape vastly reduces the number of times I get asked if he is a service dog.
According to ADA a person with a disability is somebody who has a condition that SUBSTANTIALLY impacts one or more areas of life functioning. Most states don’t consider an emotional support dog to fit into that category, but to my knowledge that has not been challenged at the Federal level. ADA says that a service animal is one that is trained to perform specific tasks to mitigate the person’s disability, not to simply accompany them. Generally speaking most business owners simply stop at “Is this a service animal?” and take anybody’s affirmative response. Some will deny even legitimate service animals wearing identification. That’s when you can choose to file a complaint with the City or State Human Rights Commission or with the Department of Justice. At that point you are going to have to provide proof of a disability and a “prescription” from a health care professional. Some states do require certification and can insist you provide proof of it, but not Washington. Only airlines have the legal right to ask for written proof of a disability that complies with ADA standards and your statement from a doctor. Sometimes when I fly I get asked for it, sometimes I don’t.
Why do people with service dogs care about faux service dogs? For the most part it’s because sometimes they are ill-mannered (I know, “my dog is well-behaved”) and it therefore then increases the possibility that when we take our service dogs somewhere they are going to be challenged and we have to go through lots of hoops as a result.
Do I care about this local pub permitting dogs? Not in the least. Do I care about people who don’t have a disability claiming they do? I must admit that is what bothers me more, as I think it is trivializing the experience of having a disability. Perhaps someday I will post about that experience and the stigma and discrimination associated with it. But that’s my own feeling of resentment, and it’s not such a big issue for me that I spend much time on it.
March 18, 2009 at 2:57 pm #660712
girltraceyMemberThis is the most entertaining blog on the site and I sincerely hope it’s not going to get nasty. I sympathize with SarahScoot, I am allergic to dogs as well. But I like the BPP more than I dislike my allergies. I do appreciate people who keep their bar – loving dogs under control. It’s hard to make small talk when a bulldog is licking your leg. Next time I am at the BPP I am going to be scanning the crowd wondering who all the players are in this West Side story. :) :) :)
March 18, 2009 at 6:44 pm #660713
JoBParticipantit’s not enough to say your dogs are well behaved.. or even to have dogs that are well behaved under controlled circumstances…
i wouldn’t take my dogs to public places even though one of them could be certified as a service dog because i can’t predict their behavior in the uncontrolled circumstances that some other dog owners create.
When a dog friendly business is treated as a puppy park, businesses become less dog friendly.
Responsible owners tend to have well behaved dogs because they don’t take them into public situations they can’t handle.
I don’t spend much time in the BPP, but i would guess on any given night.. there are far fewer rowdy dogs than people.
Tho I bet it will be entertaining the night someone breaks the cat barrier ;-0
March 18, 2009 at 7:58 pm #660714
beveridge place pubMemberAh, where to begin (is there a limit on posting length?)…
Sarahscoot, please consider this a response to your email inquiry.
As you probably realize, we didn’t just suddenly become a “dog bar”.
Years ago, in our old location, we had some regular customers who asked if they could bring their pet dogs in. We (mistakenly) assumed that without food it would be OK. Months later, based on an anonymous complaint, the Health Dept came in and “educated” us. We banned dogs, and ended up on the news for it, Sen. Jacobsen started drafting legislation, etc.
One thing to note: it is against “Health Code Regulations” to have non-service animals in food & beverage establishments, it is not written in a specific law. King County does not have an established monetary fine for this particular violation, nor do they count “points” against an establishment in an inspection. It simply is not a high priority for them, and as someone who enjoys eating at restaurants, I’m glad they focus on more urgent health risk issues during inspections.
Upon doing further research, we learned what we could and more importantly could NOT ask people regarding service dog status. I think over time, more and more dog owners have educated themselves as well. We do train our staff to ask if a dog is a “service dog”. For legal reasons, we don’t question further. If a dog does not act accordingly, we “86”, or kick out, the offenders. This includes barking, off-leash, “accidents” (only once), and even being smelly. (and yes, we have still 86’ed more humans than dogs)
During many time periods, there are no service dogs in the pub, or perhaps just in one of our rooms. We sweep, vacuum, and mop the floor every day, so we’re doing what we can to keep the hair/dander (and peanut dust) under control. Hopefully there are times when you can visit without having a major reaction.
I’ll stop rambling now and endure the backlash.
Cheers!
March 18, 2009 at 7:58 pm #660715
scapriParticipantMaybe it’s just me. I have allergies too, but unfortunately for me, I love animals. I go to BPP because of the reason that I like their beers and I can bring my little (slighly less allergenic) dog there as well. If I’m really all that hungry and don’t want to deal with the dog, I’ll go to Prost instead. If someone could tell me of another bar type establishment that allows dogs, I’d go there too. The fact that people are complaining that they can’t go into BPP because they don’t like dogs or have allergies simply forces them to have the option of going to any other bar in Seattle (since I don’t know anyone that allows dogs). My assumption is that BPP gets away with it because they don’t serve food – believe me, if they were violating some type of code, someone with WAY too much time on their hands would put those guys in court in a heartbeat.
If it’s tough for you to get your drink on anywhere else within walking distance, scurry the extra block to Thriftway and drink in the comforts of your own home. Thriftway has a pretty decent selection of (cheaper) alcohol.
And the whole Hooters bit – if you’re worried about dog hair, with shorts being that tight and extensions galore, I’m sure there’s plenty of room for random goodies in your hot wings.
March 18, 2009 at 8:14 pm #660716
AnonymousInactiveMarch 18, 2009 at 8:15 pm #660717
girltraceyMemberPerfect, BPP! I love your place. I don’t have a dog, or a cat for that matter, but if I did I’m sure helping me find my way home from your bar would qualify it a service animal. ;)
Thanks for the enjoyment(especially you, Vincent, you’re hilarious) I’ve not been so entertained since the elections ended.
Cheers!
March 18, 2009 at 8:23 pm #660718
AnonymousInactiveHold the bone…..
What did Vincent do that was so entertaining? “You need a hug”…? No one even likes to hug any more, they want to leap right into procreative fully intact reproductive naughty partsmanship.
I think Dog Free Parks and I owned this thread. Plus, who do you think put all these sweet tags in here?
Vincent – I like you and I would probably even give you a hug if you’d let me. Let’s have a hug off and settle this once and for all.
March 18, 2009 at 8:31 pm #660719
JoBParticipantLOL…
i like the attitude of the owners of the Beveridge Place Pub…
And i like to hug… I’d be willing to hand out hugs to all…
well.. on second thought.. thinking of that fermented wet body hair smell that is prevalent for some…. maybe not all of you ;->
could i sniff first?
March 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm #660720
CaitParticipantSee and that’s what’s always bothered me about the nudie coffee stands… I mean… there’s just too much opportunity for various types of hair going into my drink. *shudders* Icky.
March 18, 2009 at 8:35 pm #660721
AnonymousInactiveThere are no “nudie coffee stands”. All those baristas are required to wear bikini tops, thongs, and shoes.
March 18, 2009 at 8:36 pm #660722
JoBParticipantand to shave all body hair????
March 18, 2009 at 8:42 pm #660723
AnonymousInactiveLOL! What a colorful display of neuroses.
Of course they shave the hair on their body. The furry fetishists are too limited in number to prop the business up with one latte a day and a pink cookie.
At least that’s what I gathered from furrybaristas.org.
March 18, 2009 at 8:50 pm #660724
KevinParticipantThis has been a fun topic Sarah! Thanks for starting it. And look how well behaved everyone has been. No one seemed to flame or get flamed. Just good clean fun for all.
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On another note, I have not seen this many posts on a single topic since we were all talking about the snow a few months ago.
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It would be interesting to find out just exactly how many folks were following this topic in addition to the “core group” of posters that kept this alive this long :) I’ll bet there were a lot more lurkers than posters.
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Maybe (just for fun) Tracy or Patrick can look at the Google Analytic s and tell us just exactly how many views this topic generated?
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