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March 17, 2009 at 12:39 am #590104
SarahScootParticipantThis is a copy of an e-mail I sent to Beveridge Place Pub. It’s not necessarily a rant, more an inquiry – but I do wonder if anyone else has noticed a whole lot more dogs in there than before, and if it has kept anyone else away. If there’s any interest in the topic, I’ll post the reply I get from BPP.
“Hi,
I was just wondering when the BPP became so incredibly dog-friendly? When you were in the old location I would see one or two dogs in there on occasion, but not always. I loved spending time there with friends – we’d hang out for several hours enjoying our beer and wine. Since the move to the new location, and in particular over the last few months, I haven’t been able to handle being in there very long at all due to my dog allergies. I went out with a group of friends a few weeks ago to enjoy some barleywine and had to head home much sooner than I would have liked because I could hardly breathe due to all the dogs. I’m sure being known as dog-friendly brings in a lot of business; just know that it keeps some of us who love BPP away. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Sincerely,
Sarah XXXXX”
I hope no one here takes this the wrong way… I’m just disappointed that I can no longer enjoy my favorite bar without paying for it with an allergic reaction. And unfortunately popping a Zyrtec or Claritin isn’t an option; alcohol + antihistamine/allergy medication = massive drowsiness and bad hangover :-(
March 17, 2009 at 12:55 am #660626
TraciMemberTotal bummer about your allergies :(
About BPP, I think it’s become more dog friendly because of the word-of-mouth phenomenon. Dog people love these places, there’s a bar in Fremont that I swear is a 1:1 dog to person ratio.
Maybe it’s just become more well-known that BPP is dog-friendly and that explains the increase.
March 17, 2009 at 1:06 am #660627
CarolPBMemberI really do love dogs, but I thought dogs in a restaurant would be a health violation, of course with the acception of service dogs. I have seen a person at the bar with a dog in the Paragon on Queen Anne Hill. I wondered about it then when a person with me that owns 3 dogs was very disgusted!
March 17, 2009 at 1:11 am #660628
SarahScootParticipantCarolPB – it is a health code violation, but I don’t want to be the one that “tattles”… and they don’t serve food, so I figure that if that’s the direction the owners want to go, good for them. It does really disappoint me because I live within walking distance and really love the beer and wine selection there.
And because I know someone will say it soon: yes, these dogs are well-behaved, but that doesn’t help someone with allergies :-)
March 17, 2009 at 1:13 am #660629
TraciMemberSo a friend of mine has an adorable little Dachshund that she takes to BPP. She told me that it’s unlawful to challenge someone having a dog in a public place if they say it’s a service dog. That’s how the bars get away with being dog friendly :)
March 17, 2009 at 1:25 am #660630
BonnieParticipantI’m not allergic but it would keep me away. I don’t like dogs. Don’t hate them, just don’t like them and don’t want to be around dogs. So yeah, it would keep me away.
March 17, 2009 at 1:37 am #660631
JimmyGMemberI don’t know when we got to the point that our furry family members have to come with us everywhere.
I can’t abide the dogs at BPP and at C & P coffee (esp on the weekends) anymore.
Tie your dog outside or leave it at home. My dogs aren’t an extension of my personality to the extent that I must take them with me everywhere and show off their wonderful manners (most of which suck).
March 17, 2009 at 1:39 am #660632
CarolPBMemberI did not realize that they don’t serve food, so this may be how they get around the health code-except if they all are “service animals”
March 17, 2009 at 1:46 am #660633
CaitParticipantI’ve always liked that they allow dogs, as long as they are well-behaved which they almost always are. If you want to go somewhere for a good beer with friends, there are plenty of great places in West Seattle (for which we’re really lucky.) But there is only one place where you can take your dog. I understand that the allergies really would put a damper on it, though.
March 17, 2009 at 1:54 am #660634
jMemberI’m going to have to agree with Cait. I’m not a dog owner, but always get a kick out of going into BBP and seeing this unique environment. It’s one of those places that I talk about with people and how cool it is. I understand that everyone is not going to agree, but like Cait said, there are plenty of places in West Seattle where you could be perfectly happy.
Oh, and this has been talked about before on the blog.
March 17, 2009 at 2:07 am #660635
SarahScootParticipantThanks, j, I wasn’t aware there are other bars in West Seattle. /snark
My point was that I like going to this particular bar because it’s laid back (partially due to the fact that it doesn’t serve hard alcohol – weeds out many people), within walking distance of my home, has very friendly staff, and has a great rotating selection of beers and wine.
March 17, 2009 at 2:31 am #660636
TammiWSMemberDitto Bonnie. Thanks Sarah for posting. Maybe I’ll start bringing my cat with me everywhere too.
Someone on another thread mentioned that dog owners think everyone loves dogs as much as they do. We dont.
As a cat owner, I never let my cat jump on people, dont let them beg and if they try they are put in another room, make sure the hair is cleaned up, never assume a person likes my cats because I do, and certainly consider allergies (I have them myself) so wont let my cats climb all over someone unless they are okay it.
BPP is near my home as well. I love that I can walk there, its casual and laid back and staff are cool. It’s not even a hygiene issue – heck, look at France and how they treat dogs… Dogs in places that have outdoor eating if they stay outdoors are cool. Dogs in the restaurant itself, not so cool.
March 17, 2009 at 2:36 am #660637
transplantellaParticipantI went to the Beverage Pub once during Snowpocalypse. The place was full of large, wet, drippy dogs. Smelled worse than a herd of sheep in the rain.
I like dogs too, we’ve always had dogs. Mostly they stayed home and sometimes they rode around in the back of the pickup. They never went to bars or restaurants.
March 17, 2009 at 3:09 am #660638
vincentMemberThis isn’t rocket science, the owner(s) of BPP like dogs. If you don’t like a bar who’s owners like dogs. Feel free to frequent the other 99% ( give or take a few) of bars that are dog free.
March 17, 2009 at 3:51 am #660639
WesCAddleMemberI avoid BPP also due to dogs. Like someone said earlier, there are plenty of great bars/pubs in West Seattle now, so I don’t ever feel the need to go the the BPP. It is funny though, I used to stop into the old BPP from time to time because I loved the beer selection, but now I pretty much just think of it as a “dog bar” for dog owners.
I think it definitely fills a niche, and is a great concept for dog people to enjoy.
March 17, 2009 at 4:02 am #660640
CaitParticipantHere’s an example. I love Hooters food. Hot wings, grilled cheese… I could clog every one of my arteries there happily until I die. BUT! As a straight female, I don’t like watching ladies with their “bits” hanging out. I’m no hardcore feminist but I don’t like watching ladies parade around as meat for drunk DUDES as a job – not to mention it has to somehow be a health hazard (OK it’s a stretch but go with me here.)
So I give up Hooters’ awesome grilled cheese sandwiches because I know it’s a personal preference of mine not be exposed to what I see as the nastiness. It’s the nature of the place, I know what I’ll see if I go, so I don’t go. I eat sub-par grilled cheese elsewhere. BUT! I don’t begrudge Hooters doing what they do. They serve a niche in the market, they make a pretty penny doing it and it’ll do me no good to complain. Yes, they are not catering to me and the message they send to females grinds my gears… but that appeals to some people.
I would find it pointless to write to their company about what makes them unique and drives in business because at the end of the day, that’s how they make their money. (Not that I’m saying you’re wrong for writing the letter, it’s something they should think about, but don’t be surprised if you don’t hear back.) It’s their livelihood. At a certain point you must accept that a place isn’t for you no matter how much you like their food/beer, etc. My Hooters logic extends to a nudie latte stand that is said to have some of the best coffee in Seattle… I’ll go without thank you. No short-curlies in my foam, please!
That being said, I’m just playing devil’s advocate. No amount of exposed fun-bags will keep me away from hot wings.
March 17, 2009 at 4:28 am #660641
melissaParticipantLove the BPP. Love the dogs. Love bars (and coffee shops) that allow dogs. I think fondly back to the big dog who used to come into the Pacific Inn back in the early 90s. He and his master would come in and the bartender would pull a beer for the human and cook up a burger for the dog. They were regulars. It warmed the cockles of my heart. Still does. {Btw, I have allergies, too.}
March 17, 2009 at 4:32 am #660642
SarahScootParticipantCait, the Hooters comparison is false logic. There is nothing in any ordinance or law where Hooters does business that restricts them from doing what they do. There is a health code in the city of Seattle, however, that forbids non-service animals from entering food and drink establishments. I won’t be too extreme in my example, but I’d be more apt to compare it to a bar in which all men are allowed to be shirtless or shoeless if they chose. This is against health codes (thus the no shirt, no shoes, no service signs), so they’d be in violation; how would you feel about that? Say your favorite restaurant realized they’d get a lot of business if they were known as the place where people didn’t need to wear shirts or shoes – you’d be fine with that?
I realize it’s an odd example, but it’s the most vivid one I could think of.
I think the logic people use to defend BPP’s choice is much worse than their choice itself.
March 17, 2009 at 4:39 am #660643
CaitParticipantIf I could eat topless, my life would be complete.
And I think the health code thing is only valid if they serve food, which they do not.
March 17, 2009 at 4:41 am #660644
KevinParticipantAnd besides, (tongue in cheek here) ALL of those dogs in there with their owners ARE service animals. I bet there are some who walk their owners home after the owners have had drinks. :)
March 17, 2009 at 4:46 am #660645
CaitParticipantAnd I suppose you could make the argument (as is being made on the I HATE CATS thread right now) that dogs are more disgusting than Hooters waitresses because they are apt to stinky breath, shedding and rolling in their own poo and that makes them a different category.
…But I don’t assume to know anything about the personal lives of Hooters waitresses.
March 17, 2009 at 4:58 am #660646
CarolPBMemberBTW-I love the Hooters analogy-and I will say dogs would not stop me from the pub-especially since it does not serve food. I think you may guess from my navatar I like cats too!
March 17, 2009 at 4:59 am #660647
CarolPBMemberoops-avatar!!
March 17, 2009 at 5:19 am #660648
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March 17, 2009 at 5:19 am #660649
datamuseParticipantAnd I think the health code thing is only valid if they serve food, which they do not.
Cait, I’m not sure about that. I had a look at the KC health code and it doesn’t say anything about animals in restaurants, but there IS a provision in the civil code that defines “Any domesticated animal that enters any place where food is stored, prepared, served or sold to
the public, or any other public building or hall” as a nuisance. For what that’s worth.
It doesn’t make much difference to me personally because I don’t go to BPP.
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