VIDEO: One less station? Two less, for now? Sound Transit’s possible light-rail cost-cutting options floated at full-house West Seattle forum

(WSB photos by Torin Record-Sand)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The event that brought a standing-room-only crowd to Youngstown Cultural Arts Center‘s Thelma Dewitty Theater tonight was announced as a “light-rail visioning forum,” but “floating forum” would have been more accurate: At the heart of it were Sound Transit managers floating their most promising options for getting West Seattle light rail cost back into “affordable” range.

The biggest potential changes: “Phasing” West Seattle light rail – build between SODO and Delridge first, extend to The Junction sometime later – or dropping the Avalon station entirely. The latter has already been more extensively discussed than the former – both were presented at a board committee meeting we covered in September – and the way that ST’s Brad Owen and Jason Hampton discussed it tonight, it sounded almost like a done deal.

Nothing, however, has been decided, or is on the brink of decision, but it’s just a matter of months before the Sound Transit Board starts making decisions as part of its “Enterprise Initiative.” Before we talk more about what was shown tonight, here’s our full video of the hour-and-a-half forum, introduced by our area’s King County Councilmember Teresa Mosqueda, who mentioned she’s hoping to join the ST Board (which will have vacancies soon, such as King County Council chair Girmay Zahilay vacating his seat as he moves up to the one guaranteed for his new job as KC Executive):

The first half-hour was spent mostly in acknowledgments and preface; then came the heart of the presentation, followed by about 20 minutes for questions.

During her introduction, Mosqueda said the forum was important because “West Seattleites like details.” She is one herself, a North Delridge resident, as is the other local elected official she introduced, City Councilmember Rob Saka, who otherwise did not speak. Second speaker was ST CEO Dow Constantine, who championed West Seattle light rail during the years he was on the board as county executive (and noted tonight that his first swearing-in was exactly 16 years ago).

He said the “Enterprise Initiative” is all about trying to make the agency sustainable, explaining that it has evolved from a “capital construction fir” to a “substantial transit agency,” serving “up to 150,000 people a day” while building one of the nation’s longest light-rail lines – and figuring out how to close a $34 billion, 20-year budget deficit. In the big picture, Constantine said, by the time the FIFA World Cup games come here next year, ST will have built 63 miles in less than 17 years, pronouncing that a “history of success” that should offer hope “we can solve today’s problems.”

More optimism was offered by Carrie Avila-Mooney, representing outgoing County Executive Shannon Braddock (who had been billed as a forum speaker), reminding those present that the project already had its Federal Record of Decision and therefore hope for the federal funding it would need. She said Braddock – a West Seattleite who had served as Constantine’s deputy executive – is a “huge, huge fan of building” West Seattle light raill

When Owen and Hampton from ST finally began their presentation, one of the early slides was notable for added rationale points arguing for the West Seattle line, including that it would be a travel alternative “if the West Seattle Bridge is congested or closed for repairs” and that it “facilitates future expansion to the south” such as White Center and the airport.

Owen said West Seattle is now about a third of the way through design – 30 percent – meaning they are getting “cost clarity.” That’s led to the previous reporting about the three-stop West Seattle line potentially costing up to $7.9 billion, while current financing would cover about $4.2 billion.

So that gap called for some “project-specific things we think we can move the needle on.” Station optimization for SODO and The Junction would save some money, but not as much as eliminating the Avalon station or “phasing” by stopping at Delridge for an undetermined while.

ST describes potential savings in terms of “levers”:

The highest level “lever” would be phasing. If they stopped at Delridge for now, they estimate the project would cost just over $3 billion, within the range of affordability, and that’s a “conservative” estimate, Owen said.

“Phasing is a very typical thing for these projects,” he insisted.

The next level of “lever” would apply to dropping the Avalon station, though that would only drop the cost into the $6 billion range, still more money than the agency could cover.

Skipping the Avalon station also could enable a different entrance for the tunnel to The Junction, possibly sparing the West Seattle Health Club (among other properties) and reducing the impact to Longfellow Creek, the ST reps said.

They also briefly discussed possible optimization for the Junction station – a previously reported design change that would remove the plan for “tail tracks” south of the station – and changes to the Duwamish River light-rail-only bridge as well as the SODO station.

After the brief review of these possibilities, the podium was given to Kirk Hovenkotter of the Transportation Choices Coalition, a light-rail booster who explained his group’s recently announced Build the Damn Trains campaign.

He said that instead of cutting back on projects like this, ST should look at “creative” ways to turn the plan into reality. (We asked him afterward if he was suggesting a search for new revenue; he said no,
they don’t want to see ST cut back on projects like this; instead, he said he supports ST’s quest for legislative approval to issue 75-year bonds without voter approval.

Less than half an hour remained when they started taking audience questions – both written ones collected from the crowd by people including Rachel Porter, executive director of the co-sponsoring West Seattle Chamber of Commerce:

Those included a request for more information on what the “no Avalon station” concept might mean:

Hampton said the West Seattle extension wouldn’t see much of an overall ridership drop if Avalon was scratched – most of its prospective users would go to one of the other stations. Meantime, Owen acknowledged that they’re slowing the pursuit of properties until this is all figured out. Hampton acknowledged that they had acquired three homes, not because they needed the property quickly but because the owners requested early action due to life circumstances (as reported here in July). The ST reps said that if it ultimately turns out those properties aren’t needed for the project, they’ll “work with the property acquisition team” to determine what to do with them.

A few questions were asked via open microphone. One was whether there would be a “real town hall” devoted to people’s questions. Mosqueda said she hopes to have more events like this but in the meantime, all the officials and managers who were there are accessible for one-on-one questioning. Another attendee asked how to build the light-rail extension faster; Owen suggested the “phasing” was one answer – “when you have to build less, you could build faster.”

But while it’s decided whether they will build less, or make other changes, some residents and business owners remain in limbo, like Erin Rubin of Mode Music Studios (WSB sponsor) and nonprofit Mode Music and Performing Arts, still likely to have to move no matter what changes are made in the plan, as their building remains in the Delridge station footprint, whether the project is “phased,” trimmed dow, or changed in some other way.

WHAT’S NEXT: The ST Board’s work on the “Enterprise Initiative” is expected to take another year or so, but decisions on plan changes and project changes are expected sooner, likely in the first half of next year. Until then, ST says it wants “feedback on design refinements,” so if you have thoughts on what was floated tonight – and/or other ideas – you can email westseattlelink@soundtransit.org.

98 Replies to "VIDEO: One less station? Two less, for now? Sound Transit's possible light-rail cost-cutting options floated at full-house West Seattle forum"

  • WS November 24, 2025 (10:37 pm)

    Great reporting as always WSB. ‘Phasing’……aka we aren’t getting light rail to the Junction for a long time. 

  • Marie November 24, 2025 (11:30 pm)

    West Seattle  needs a comprehensive transit plan. Not a piecemeal plan.   https://www.whereiamnow.net/post/here-s-why-west-seattle-needs-a-comprehensive-transit-plan For those anxious to jump on the light rail, there are already 9 bus lines from West Seattle that connect you directly to the train at different points along the spine.  If you didn’t already know that, you are probably not a public transit user.  And if you aren’t, are we to believe that a train from the Junction to SODO will change your habits? Sound Transit doesn’t think so. Their studies indicate that the train will take only about 100 cars off the WS bridge at rush hour.Too many neighborhoods in WS are underserved or lack transit altogether. Sound Transit has the No Build option that could be used, without a new vote, to improve transit for everyone on the peninsula. https://www.whereiamnow.net/post/sound-transit-presents-an-excellent-case-for-the-no-build-option I hope they do that. 

    • Mike November 25, 2025 (5:58 am)

      I am a transit user living in West Seattle. I hop on at SODO station and then take a bus from UW station to the bus stop which is a 3/4 miles walk from my work office, reverse going home.  However, there’s no viable bus from around my house to light-rail, so my kid drops me off and wife picks me up using our car.  Otherwise I’d add 45 minutes to an already hour+ long commute each way.  Driving alone to work is 30-45 minutes depending on traffic each way, but insurance is unbelievably expensive now so I don’t add an additional car (oddly costs more on daily transit fees than gas to drive though).  I’m not going to lose 1.5 additional hours of my day just to sit on a bus to get to light-rail, to get to a bus to walk to work and then reverse that going home.

    • Seattlite November 25, 2025 (6:45 am)

      Marie…I agree with your comment.  I might add that a practical, common sense approach would be the “No Build Option.”   Suggestions to make public transit more appealing in WS is to open up the closed bus stops in WS;  transit schedules must fit peak hours; transit must address the homeless population that linger in bus shelters, ride buses; transit MUST keep buses clean, sanitary; etc.   Seattle’s transit system back in the day was used by many who worked downtown without problems with the exception of heavy snow days.  Back then, there was not a homeless population.

    • Deodara November 25, 2025 (7:54 am)

      Totally agree!

    • RossB November 25, 2025 (5:08 pm)

      I agree, Marie. They should pursue a bus-based alternative. Build a connection from the SoDo Busway to the Alaska Way Viaduct. That way buses would be able to run in bus lanes from West Seattle to downtown. Those buses would continue to downtown but riders could also transfer to get to Link locations (like the UW) at SoDo. This would save billions. Use the savings to run a lot more buses in West Seattle. Something like this. Riders would have more one-seat rides to downtown. Riders transferring to other locations (First Hill, Bellevue, Queen Anne) would have one less transfer. So too would riders taking Link the other direction (to Beacon Hill, Rainier Valley or SeaTac). Overall this would not only be cheaper, but simply better

  • How about all less atp? November 24, 2025 (11:44 pm)

    We paid into this mandatory system so that we could benefit from it. And for the last decade the newest ST executive comes up with more ways to drain the fund for their golden parachute and to stall the WS build. We paid for the north expansion and now when it’s our turn it’s suddenly too expensive. Maybe if they had hired competent people who were dedicated to the position term instead of job hopping we would not have wasted millions on recruiting them and then paying their retirements for early bail outs. West Seattle needs all of the stations that were voted on when the measure passed or we need to file a class action lawsuit to claw the money back. 

    • Ryan November 25, 2025 (6:22 am)

      Have you heard of the rethink the link people that wasted time and money complaining about every single WS link option….

    • Gibby November 25, 2025 (7:24 am)

      Agree. They just need to build it. Just because no one wants it now, in 100 years people will be thankful.

      • Look Both Ways November 25, 2025 (5:19 pm)

        If you think the public will be using this proposed train in 100 years, you haven’t been paying attention to the last 15 years in autonomous mobility. 

        • 1983 November 28, 2025 (1:02 pm)

          Autonomous mobility that was supposed to be launched 5 years ago?.  It is fun how the future promises solutions to todays problem, so instead of solving those problems we look to a future that does not happen. Nice way to do nothing

  • VapoCOOL November 25, 2025 (1:34 am)

    Up in Canada they completely rebuilt the sea to sky highway for the Olympics in under 5 years.. 70 miles?17 years and over budget is Bad. 

    • E November 30, 2025 (9:17 am)

      They also built a brand new bridge over the Hudson River in New York (Mario Cuomo/Tappan Zee Bridge ) in 5 years.  2013-2018 . It’s 3.5 miles across a river.   If this light rail is taking 17 years and hugely over budget- think twice.  This is a bad idea. 

  • Matt P November 25, 2025 (1:53 am)

    On a cost per resident basis, this would be by far the most expensive rail line ever built anywhere in the world. That alone is enough to warrant going with the no build option. 

    • Brad Garf November 25, 2025 (8:35 am)

      It was voted on and you are already paying for it. If they don’t build it, you will be paying for somewhere else to get it. Not building it does not magically give you your money back.

    • RossB November 25, 2025 (5:15 pm)

      @Matt — Agreed. Not only that but if were to measure the time saved per rider versus cost it would also be the worst value in the world. @Brad — They are collecting the money but very little of it has been spent. They could spend it on other things. They could pivot and improve buses in West Seattle (see comment above). This would benefit a lot more riders and be a much better value.  

      • K November 25, 2025 (6:12 pm)

        No, they can’t just pivot and spend it on something else.  Sounds Transit is a regional agency, serving three counties.  Metro is King County only.  Different agencies, different tax base, different budgets (same driver shortage struggle, though).  Taxpayers approved the taxes to pay for light rail, not buses.

        • Kyle November 25, 2025 (8:01 pm)

          Sound transit also runs bus and commuter routes in the 3 counties too.

        • 1994 November 25, 2025 (10:37 pm)

          Metro bus service benefits from Seattle Transportation Benefit district taxes we Seattle residents pay to Dept of Licensing for our car tab taxes.  Those added taxes Seattle residents pay were supposed to go towards enhance Metro bus service. Sound Transit has bus service running up and down I-5 and into cities. I am starting to think the light rail is a money pit and ST should expand the buses circulating in West Seattle and to downtown or the light rail stations….probably a much lower cost.

  • Morgan November 25, 2025 (5:09 am)

    Time to lever off the whole thing. Why pay billions deeep into 21st century robotic taxi era? Open in 2040 and mirtgage heck out of residents funds could go schools or housing or parks or boats just to pretend we have big city rail..,an impossible receding goal.

  • K November 25, 2025 (5:31 am)

    We voted for it.  We’ve waited long enough.  Just build it already.  All of it.

    • RossB November 25, 2025 (5:21 pm)

      Even if that was a good idea — and it isn’t — we simply can’t afford it. The agency has limits. Because of the bonds they sell, they can not go into debt too much. They have to wait until they raise more money. But as they wait to raise more money, the costs increase. As a result, it can’t be built. This is one of the big misconceptions about the project. This isn’t “The Seattle Process”. This isn’t planning run amok. They simply can’t afford to build what they planned on building. It is too expensive. 

  • North Admiral Cyclist November 25, 2025 (5:42 am)

    There is no question light rail serving West Seattle is needed.  We’ve seen West Seattle and the region grow, and cars and highways are not the solution for the future.  We’ve lived through “emergency” bridge closures more than once over the past 40 years.  If on its own, West Seattle would be one of the largest cities in the State. West Seattle taxpayers have patiently waited for decades while they paid taxes to run light rail far north, east and south. West Seattle is now paying for cost overruns for crossing Lake Washington. West Seattle saw Sound Transit attack our monorail project, which would have been up and running by now. West Seattle should not now get short changed in our light rail.  It’s our turn.  Just Build it!  Saka needs to represent all of us in West Seattle and get us the full project.  In the meantime, because of all of the light rail delays, the KC Water Taxi should be beefed up by improving the shuttle and passenger facilities in West Seattle.  Better intermodal transfer (bus/shuttle/bike) and a covered passenger waiting area to match the Downtown ferry dock would help the Water Taxi fill in as a stop gap.

    • RossB November 25, 2025 (5:36 pm)

      There is no question light rail serving West Seattle is needed. I disagree. West Seattle is much better suited for buses than light rail. West Seattle destinations are very spread out. At most the train would serve three. At least one of these isn’t really a destination but a connection point for a bus that could get riders to downtown faster if there wasn’t a transfer. The same is true for the vast majority of West Seattle. Unless you live close to one of the three stations you would be better off with fast, frequent buses running to downtown via the SoDo Busway. By running on the SoDo Busway riders would have the best of both worlds. They can transfer to Link for trips to places like the UW or Capitol Hill. All you’ve done is move the transfer point from West Seattle to SoDo. Or they can stay on the bus to get downtown. From there they can get to places like First Hill,  Bellevue and Queen Anne without an additional transfer. Or they can take the train the opposite direction to Beacon Hill, Rainier Valley or SeaTac. Not only is this much better for riders but it is much cheaper. With the savings you can run the buses in West Seattle a lot more often. We also have two bridges to West Seattle. Of course the lower bridge is slower. But if we reserve the lower bridge for transit — as we did before — then it is still faster than driving. It is not ideal but I think you will agree, it wasn’t that bad. This will happen rarely. When the bridge needs work it is still a pretty good system — much better than various parts of town (like the Central District). At best it is much faster than forcing everyone to make a transfer to Link while their local bus runs infrequently. 

      • 1983 November 28, 2025 (1:10 pm)

        Both bridges are over capacity already. The traffic jam to get up onto either bridge starts a couple miles before you get to the bridge. Beating 30 minutes to travel 5 miles by bus or car is not going to cut it. The region is growing, that traffic jam is getting worse. I think frequent buses might have been a good answer 30 years ago, not today. We are already past buses, the scale of how many people need to go from one side to the other is too many. Which is to say, buses won’t work unless surface traffic is drastically reduced (which is not going to happen)

    • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (8:54 am)

      I agree about the water taxi. It is a great asset that we already have that can be used to help the region meet its transit needs. Have more busses taking passengers directly to and from the Seacrest dock from neighborhoods across West Seattle, White Center, and even Burien. Expand water taxi service to start earlier in the day and run later into the evening. Fill the weekday service gap between 9:10am and 10:30am. All things that can be implemented much sooner, and for far less cost, than building light rail.

  • Mellow Kitty November 25, 2025 (5:52 am)

    So the budget is ballooning yet not one shovel of dirt has been moved. Make it make sense. First the tunnel debacle, now this. No wonder the state is broke. 

    • wscommuter November 25, 2025 (10:22 am)

      The tunnel is the best/most important infrastructure addition to the city in generations.  Yes the contractor broke the tunnel machine during construction, causing a big delay – and the state won its lawsuit against the builder, Seattle Tunnel Partners, to the tune of about $75M awarded to WSDOT.  The state paid zero damages in that dispute.  So what debacle are you referring to?   Why are you angry about the cost increase to the light rail project?  Because during the concept phase an initial price estimate was one amount, and now a few years later during actual design that costs have increased?  If you don’t understand price escalation in everything over time, you aren’t paying attention.  If you haven’t noticed the cost of everything increasing in the post-Covid economy over the last 5 years, you aren’t paying attention.  So what’s your point?  If you’re just against light rail, why not just say so?  

      • RossB November 25, 2025 (6:53 pm)

        Because during the concept phase an initial price estimate was one
        amount, and now a few years later during actual design that costs have
        increased?
        That is a reasonable complaint given that the entire process was based on the initial price estimate. It is quite understandable that with more inspection it turns out that a project is more (or less) than expected. This happens all of the time. But basing your planning on that initial estimate is a mistake. It is quite likely there are other projects that aren’t as expensive that are a much better value. This isn’t like running trains from the UW to downtown (which every transit expert would say is the first priority). The choice of West Seattle as the next Link expansion is fairly arbitrary. By committing to a this project when we only had a very rough idea of the cost (which turned to be hugely optimistic) was a very bad mistake. 

      • Mellow Kitty November 26, 2025 (7:11 am)

        I’m not against the light rail. I ride the light rail quite often. It’s a great option. I AM against ballooning costs because the committee hasn’t be able to agree where the stations should go. We’ve been given a lot of ideas and wants, but there has been zero progress. That’s what I’m against. It is not okay to let these people off the hook by saying, “that’s how it’s always been.” It’s always been that way because the citizens let it happen that way. We all need to stand up and say enough is enough. They’ve had decades of planning. They’ve had zero days of action beyond deciding where to put, or not put, the stations. And it’s already cost is estimated to be 7 billion dollars right now. How much more will it go up before a single traffic cone is placed? As to your tunnel argument, do you mean to tell me that along the planned route, after all the testing, scanning, etc. they didn’t know about the GIANT METAL PIPE? Nor did they have a plan for how to fix the stupid, one-time use, custom built machine? It was delayed by incompetence. Tunnel was supposed to be open by 2015. Remind me when it actually opened – oh yeah, February 2019.  Four years late and way, way over budget. 

    • GH November 25, 2025 (10:55 am)

      The state is broke because the state relies on the most (or 2nd most, I forget) regressive tax structure in the country.

      • WS November 25, 2025 (10:42 pm)

        They are broke because they ‘spend like drunken sailors’ without a care.

      • Mellow Kitty November 26, 2025 (7:12 am)

        Because of reckless spending. 

  • Disappointed November 25, 2025 (6:00 am)

    To say I am disappointed is an understatement. Call me naive, but I was so excited and hopeful for the light rail to WS. Now they are talking about ONE station in WS? The balloon has popped. I’m officially not excited any more. 

  • Emily November 25, 2025 (6:18 am)

    If they dropped the Avalon station I would just take the bus instead of wasting my time going to Delridge?  That’s so dumb omg. And only being at 30% design after this long is truly insane 

    • JTinWS November 25, 2025 (12:22 pm)

      What bus? The plan for WS rail is to truncate the bus lines at the new rail stops and transfer passengers. The C Line certainly will not keep running from WS to downtown/SLU.

      • WSB November 25, 2025 (12:33 pm)

        Metro has said repeatedly that bus lines from here to downtown won’t change before the Ballard extension is open (still theoretically 2039, although interestingly the map shown last night that featured Ballard and other build-out spots carried the date 2042).

        • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (8:57 am)

          Thanks for the update on this, and for your excellent coverage of all things West Seattle!

      • Emily November 25, 2025 (12:39 pm)

        Well that’s depressing

  • Seth November 25, 2025 (6:21 am)

    Personally, I have no issues skipping the second station. But phasing is too much for me. I think they need to figure out a way to build what we voted for. 

  • SS November 25, 2025 (6:40 am)

    63 miles of new rail in 17 yers is nothing to “proud of” and does not offer any hope. The Seattle Process is going take a great idea and turn it into a half baked reality of “what could have been”.

  • Keenan November 25, 2025 (7:20 am)

    ST3 is my first experience with the “Seattle Process” in real time in a matter that effects me directly.

    Everyone who lives in this town should be embarrassed.  We voted YES 10 years ago and we’re still holding town hall meetings.  There is no plan.  Construction has not started.  Car-brained status-quo lovers do nothing but shout “It’ll be too expensive!” and rather then being laughed out of the room like they deserve, they’re allowed to delay and delay until we all turn to dust.

    The Seattle Process is a perversion of democracy and a blight on our culture.  Just build the darn line already.  The whole line.

    • RossB November 26, 2025 (9:58 am)

      The problem isn’t the “Seattle Process”. The problem is that the project is too expensive. Even if they knew exactly what they wanted, they couldn’t build it. Or rather, they couldn’t finish it. That is the problem. To understand the problem in more detail it helps to know how these projects work. Sound Transit is a public agency that sells bonds to pay for projects. They tax people to pay off the bonds. By state law they can’t go into debt that much (i. e. they can’t sell that many bonds). This is to avoid defaulting, which would hurt the state’s bond rating. So they basically need to be raising a certain amount of money relative to how much money they are raising. In this case the problem is that the projects are too expensive. Keep in mind, this has happened before. Federal Way Link was originally part of Sound Transit 2. Unfortunately the recession hit the South End especially hard. They weren’t raising as much money. As a result. Federal Way Link was truncated at Angle Lake. It wasn’t until ST3 passed — and more money was raised in the area — that they could build it to Federal Way. In other words if ST3 didn’t pass then there would be no Federal Way Link. It is quite possible that West Seattle Link has the same problem. They can’t build it unless they pass another measure to raise more money (i. e. “ST4”). 

      • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (8:59 am)

        So I guess we should be expecting an ST4 ballot measure in the coming years then?

  • helpermonkey November 25, 2025 (8:04 am)

    We are never leaving West Seattle (by light rail)         

    • Seattlite November 25, 2025 (3:24 pm)

      BINGO!

  • Erik November 25, 2025 (8:21 am)

    You know what would really cut costs? Just not building the light rail extension at all. We really don’t need it.

  • Junction Resident November 25, 2025 (8:21 am)

    Phasing is not going to make this any cheaper in the long run. If anything they are just moving the goal post as properties get more expensive to acquire. As a Junction resident, I’m pissed. Phasing will probably later be used as an excuse to not continue the line further.

    • RossB November 26, 2025 (10:01 am)

      Phasing would only work if they raise more money in the future. It is similar to Federal Way Link. It was part of ST2. But they couldn’t afford it so it ended in Angle Lake (phase one). Then they passed ST3 and were able to extend it. That doesn’t mean it would be worthwhile. There are no “ST4” plans and no guarantee such a package would pass. Even if it did it is likely it would take a very long time before it got to the junction. Even then it would be as good as building a system that improves the buses. 

  • Joan November 25, 2025 (8:26 am)

    Not having an Avalon station would be pointless. The 35th Ave corridor is so  heavily driven and used by bus riders. I would love to take light rail to the airport. The only option now is take a bus to SODO and lug your luggage a block to the tracks. I’d still have to take a bus down 35th to an Avalon station but it would be a shorter walk. This isn’t going to happen in my lifetime. 

    • Susan November 25, 2025 (3:48 pm)

      Hi Joan,Are you aware that Sound Transit operates a bus from Westwood Village to the airport?  It takes just under a half hour and drops you off right in front of the SeaTac airport terminal.  No lugging  suitcases through that pedestrian walkway once you get to the terminal, either.

      • Joan November 25, 2025 (6:48 pm)

        No, I don’t really know about that bus. But I wonder what times it operates.Sometimes a very early flight means no public transit available. Yes, I used to take ST bus from SEatac to WS. I thoight that didn’t exist anymore. Anyway I’d still  have to transfer to a 21 to get home. Usually my flight times don’t mesh with public transit.

        • WSB November 25, 2025 (7:34 pm)

          https://www.soundtransit.org/sites/default/files/documents/schedule-560.pdf
          First WWV departure 4:39 am.

        • foop November 25, 2025 (8:44 pm)

          I live a short walk form that bus and I do take it often, particularly when I don’t have a lot of luggage. My primary issue with it is that it only runs once an hour on weekends, which is insane to me. If I didn’t live within walking distance I don’t think it’d really be worth the hassle of multiple transfers.I find the 560 great for leaving for flights because I can plan to leave around it, and WWV is it’s starting point and I find it is always departing as scheduled. Coming home, tired from a day of flying and not in control of when I land I find it a pain. It is often off schedule arriving at the airport because it does not have right of way getting through the departure traffic.

  • B M X November 25, 2025 (8:29 am)

    we’ve be squabbling about this since around 1997 when I moved to west seattle. We voted in the Monorail twice, and we’d have it done a decade ago. Geesh. 

  • Meeee November 25, 2025 (8:30 am)

    Has a Pep Rally vibe.  When you’re the team that hasn’t won a game in 20 seasons.

  • Shadowtripper November 25, 2025 (8:36 am)

    By now we should recognize that Sound Transit has run out of money and perhaps Federal funding may be reduced.   Why not build the system to terminate near the steel mill area and provide linking bus service to/from it from all neighborhoods?  Make it an elevated station platform that would allow the tracks to cross river high enough to make any opening of draw bridges infrequent.  Just thinking?

  • Boo November 25, 2025 (8:41 am)

    Scrap the whole damn thing!

  • stuck November 25, 2025 (8:53 am)

    “…early action due to life circumstances.” Well, I’m glad for those people. And envious. I have life circumstances, too. Such as, seeing as I’m unlikely to live long enough to ride the train from West Seattle, I’d like to be able to cash out my real estate and move somewhere warmer. But the possibility of being next to a construction site for years has tanked its value. Who’d-a-thought you could lose money owning real estate in Seattle? Nice work, NIMBYs and dithering politicians! BTW, I have truly been excited by the prospect of riding the train to Ballard or the eastside instead of driving. Now I’m despairing, and inclining toward the “just kill it” camp.

  • James November 25, 2025 (9:04 am)

    This has been a potential  HUGE waste of time and money from day one for WS and Ballard. To few people will ever be served, and too few cars off the road to make this line, and Ballard a real option. Take the money and go East (Issaquah, North Bend), South (Renton, Kent), North (Everett, Marysville).  Skip anymore expansion in the City of Seattle. Take the money saved and expand carpool lanes on the bridge, buy more busses. Put a trolley down California ave to Westwood Village.Fix the Water Taxi dock and make it easier to get it by transit. All this could be done for a lot less then underground trains. For those that say, “We paid for it.” So did every property owner in 3 counties, we need to do the most good for the least amount of money. 

    • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (9:03 am)

      Light rail all the way out to North Bend would be an even bigger boondoggle than light rail to West Seattle, and would serve far fewer people. That being said, I strongly agree with you about the other communities you mentioned. Light rail should be expanded to serve all of them and more.

  • Marty2 November 25, 2025 (9:30 am)

    If Light Rail doesn’t go to the Junction, it’s not worth it.  Eliminate the Delridge and Avalon stations and go directly to the Junction, then provide bus routes within West Seattle to feed the Junction Station.

    • Blimpy November 25, 2025 (11:24 am)

      Delridge Station will be connected to a primary bus thoroughfare in a valley that’s offset from the Avalon/Alaska Junction area. I can see the argument for eliminating Avalon, but the WS peninsula needs Delridge. Keeping fingers crossed that they maintain Alaska Junction as the terminus at this time… it will also create an optimal springboard to continue the line southward, post-ST3, which is part of the driver in the larger picture.

  • Shawn November 25, 2025 (10:07 am)

    I’m not sure how it’s legal that we voted for a specific train with specific stops and they are just going to unilaterally decide they’d rather not build everything they said they would. Not building stations and dragging things out is penny wise pound foolish. Just. Build. The. Entire. Train. NOW. If costs go over then they go over, sell more bonds, get more grants, whatever. Cutting back on vital transportation infrastructure WE ALREADY VOTED FOR is completely unacceptable.

    • Mel November 25, 2025 (8:11 pm)

      Well…we also voted for $30 car tabs and look how that turned out

  • WS resident November 25, 2025 (10:14 am)

    The first half-hour was spent mostly in acknowledgments and preface; then came the heart of the presentation, followed by about 20 minutes for questions. – WSBlogIt was a typical Sound Transit forum, consisting of:– 30 minutes of the forum hosts complimenting each other– 40 minutes discussing how we plan to spend money that has already been spent– 20 minutes to answer only 4 out of the dozens of questions submitted by attendeesYep! That’s our tax money at work!

    • AH November 25, 2025 (9:08 pm)

      My out of town sister came to the meeting. Her response was “what is with all the cheerleading for.” I laughed because Dow ran onto stage like he was a rock star. I also was laughing at the guy with the T shirt about building trains. If someone wore a T shirt that said rethink the link or bring the buses back would they get the mic. It is so much money plus and not sure the trains will get used  by many on an average day since they are only going to the stadiums ( except on game day.)  And a bus from where people live in west Seattle, to west Seattle light rail, to Sodo, to a bus to get somewhere other than downtown seems like lots of time and energy.  Personally I want more local west Seattle buses and shuttles so people will do west Seattle without their cars.Thank you WS Blog for coverage.

    • 1994 November 25, 2025 (10:47 pm)

      Yah, I had to turn off the Dow cheerleading after about 2 minutes….too much self congratulating going on by him and Nosqueda who mentioned she’s hoping to join the ST Board.

  • Joe Z November 25, 2025 (10:46 am)

    My family has met with Sound Transit probably 20 times since 2018 and the number of times that the planned route has changed is simply incredible. We strongly support this project. So as you read what I write below, remember this is coming from someone who is a huge fan of transit and purposely moved to a location that was supposed to be close to a future light rail station.

    Initially our property was not in any of the alternatives. Then in the second round it would have been acquired in one of the alternatives but not the preferred alternative. Then the preferred alternative changed and our property was going to be acquired, we met with the acquisition team and started to prepare for that but things got delayed by the pandemic. Then they made another alternative that was a slight change to the preferred alternative which caused us to not be acquired but instead the tracks would be across the street. The final EIS got approved at we thought that was it. But then in this latest round they moved the tunnel portal so we would not be affected at all. But as of today that is still a “proposed” change that needs board approval, so officially we might be affected or we might not be. Now think about the cost involved with all of this process. Think about the stress that it put on our family to adjust our plans after each one of these iterations, only to see it changed again because of various reasons, none of which can be anticipated by the average person. And multiply that by all of the hundreds of households in the Delridge and Avalon neighborhoods that have gone through this. We will hit the 10 year mark since the ST3 vote and despite starting on West Seattle immediately after the vote, there will still be no shovels in the ground. They are not even at 30% design yet. The permitting process with the city of Seattle has barely started. They are billions over budget.

    If I would put the blame on one entity for this, it’s the elected politicians on the Sound Transit board. A train is being built directly through an established neighborhood. A new right of way, directly where homes and businesses are currently located. The words coming from their mouths say that they support transit and they want to build light rail as soon as possible. Their actions speak otherwise. From day one they have been afraid of the negative political consequences associated with building a new rail right of way directly through an existing neighborhood. They have never been fully able to come to terms with the significance of what was designed in 2016 and what the voters approved. What was approved was elevated rail climbing up a nearly 400 ft hill from the port to the Junction. They have never been brave enough to admit that the direct and obvious consequence of building such a line would be the demolition of homes, businesses, and some cherished community institutions. They were never brave enough to even scope a route that would follow the existing right-of-way of the West Seattle Bridge up the hill to the Junction because of the fear of disrupting traffic. Instead, in 2018, they said we’ll add a tunnel and we’ll get “third party funding” to pay for it, which meant absolutely nothing because no “third party” existed that could fund a tunnel. Each iteration since has slowly been designed to “reduce impacts”. The current scoping is all about trying to avoid West Seattle Health Club and Longfellow Creek impacts, which is causing further cost increases and time delays.

    Finally, things are arriving at their inevitable conclusion. When “reducing impacts” (translation: negative political fallout) is your #1 goal, the most obvious thing to do is simply to not build things. Dropping the Avalon station is such an obvious win-win for the politicians. All “impacts” of the Avalon station are removed. The tunnel can be longer, reducing “impacts” of angry home and business owners being displaced. Cost is greatly reduced, solving the budget problems. Each successive iteration has slowly watered down the scope in this way, while cost has continued to balloon. The fact that light rail expansion, with 80% favorability among Seattle residents, has been slowly sabotaged by “reducing impacts”, is a stain on the reputation on everyone involved in planning this project. And if you think West Seattle is bad, the situation with the downtown to Ballard section is far, far worse. Nothing from downtown to Ballard is ever going to get built in the ST3 timeline. And it’s probably for the best, because what they did to the International District station, the most important station in the entire project, is a complete and utter embarrassment. If there can’t be a central hub to connect the 3 line to the 1 and 2 line, it’s not worth building it at all.

    So what will happen? West Seattle is far enough along and the politicians need a win so it will get built and open in 2034 or so. They will do the 2-station configuration with the Delridge and Junction stations. It will end up taking up almost all of the ST3 money for Seattle and West Seattle will be stuck with a spur line to the SODO station for the indefinite future, while Avalon residents will continue using a rapid ride bus because they are nowhere near either of the two stations and won’t want to transfer in SODO. There will eventually be an ST4 to fund the rest of the downtown-to-Ballard segment, and hopefully by then all of the current ST board will be gone and the lessons from this fiasco will be learned. 

    • Cal November 25, 2025 (7:50 pm)

      Thanks for the informative summary, Joe Z. I’m sorry you and your family have had to go through this.

    • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (9:09 am)

      I’m sorry that you and your family have been put through the ringer by Sound Transit. They need to get their act together and finalize their plans so West Seattle can get its light rail, and you can get control of your life back. For all the upheaval and uncertainty they’ve caused you, some form of compensation from Sound Transit ought to be in order.

  • Blimpy November 25, 2025 (11:15 am)

    First, I want to thank the ST staff and officials that came out for this forum… you’re all true professionals, and going in front of the public like that is, in my opinion, the most difficult part of the job.I won’t get into the benefits of light rail vs bus, that argument’s exhausting and boring. Specifically, however, West Seattle is in a pickle of being in proximity to the downtown with its jobs and other activities — but in a precarious situation of topography and land use that severely limits its accessibility — and essentially cuts it off if its primary access, the WS bridge, fails or is shut down for repairs. Does anyone recall the beginning of this decade? Moreover, the thing will need to be replaced at some point sooner rather than later. What’s everyone supposed to do? This new Link 3 Line, with its dedicated bridge over the Duwamish, will serve as a lifeline to WS — as a reliable option — when the WS bridge inevitably has issues. Again. In the meantime, I do hope the agency figures out a way to maintain the extension to Alaska Junction.To the rude, interrupting, fist-shaking, finger-wagging NIMBY contingent at last night’s meeting: the voters approved this plan a decade ago, so your beef should be with them, not the agency staff. FACT: a regional light rail system is expanding and in design/build as I write this (and you stew over it, to everyone else’s fascination and amusement). FACT: it’s coming to West Seattle, in some form. So if this inevitable progress bothers you so much, get out of the way and move to the Methow Valley, or focus your attention on a hobby like knitting or something. I’ve seen these characters, a few of whom are unhinged and should be committed, showing up to council & transit board meetings in our region for decades… a few have a valid beef from concerns over property condemnations affecting them, but most are grumpy NIMBYs with too much time on their hands looking to bark up another tree. The rage and verbal abuse aimed at ST staff accomplishes nothing. Absolutely zero. If anything, it cements their resolve to work harder with the directives they’re given… but it’s certainly not going to change the course of these events. These fine ST professionals are simply performing the work the voters charged them with in 2016.With that, the holidays are an excellent time for reflection and self-inventory. Just something to think about. Have a happy and glorious Thanksgiving. Choo choo!

    • bill November 25, 2025 (1:09 pm)

      Good point about the professionalism of ST staff. I’ll admit to being frustrated with the sometimes vague answers they give, but that is a necessary stance given that staff are not policy makers and cannot promise things that are not in the official plan.

    • RossB November 26, 2025 (10:08 am)

      Does anyone recall the beginning of this decade? Moreover, the thing
      will need to be replaced at some point sooner rather than later. What’s
      everyone supposed to do?
      Take the bus that goes on the lower bridge like they did the last time the upper bridge was out of commission. It is a little bit slower but nowhere near as slow as most of the city. For most people it would still be faster than using the train because they avoid the transfer. Oh, sorry, you must be exhausted and bored with such talk. 

  • sls November 25, 2025 (11:32 am)

    Wasn’t the West Seattle Bridge bridge fix only supposed to last about 10 years? Will the bridge need to be replaced around 2032? Seems like that could be a construction cluster—-. with timing of the light rail construction…did that come up at the meeting?

    • WSB November 25, 2025 (12:03 pm)

      No, the West Seattle Bridge repairs were meant to restore the bridge to its original life expectancy, in the early 2060s. (Multiple references on our site, including https://westseattleblog.com/2022/09/west-seattle-bridge-reopening-day-1-notes )

    • wetone November 25, 2025 (12:59 pm)

      SLS,    you are correct in that the WS High-Rise corridor has some major issues in near future. I have tried to raise that point and bring awareness to public with little success during this ST deal. The High Rise and Lower Swing bridge will be very fortunate making another 30 years without major rework or replacement. Don’t forget the railway bridge (1930’s) that crosses the Duwamish river and serves T-5 and other areas on westside of river.  If something was to move forward with the ST plan it should include future work of the bridge replacements as there is only so much ground to build on. Look at all the Roadway, Tunnel and Bridge projects have been accomplished around the world for a fraction of what Sound Transit wants to spend on the WS leg of project. Seattle should be designing a new single corridor that handles all modes of transportation such as bikes, buses, all modes of vehicles, trucking and walkers. Would be cheaper than ST’s plan of today. It would benefit all along with the future of WS ….;)

      • E November 30, 2025 (9:20 am)

        They also built a brand new bridge over the Hudson River in New York (Mario Cuomo/Tappan Zee Bridge ) in 5 years.  2013-2018 . It’s 3.5 miles across a river.   If this light rail is taking 17 years and hugely over budget- think twice.  This is a bad idea. 

  • Kathy November 25, 2025 (11:55 am)

    Yes, skip the Avalon Station and provide frequent bus service to the two remaining stations.

  • AL November 25, 2025 (12:49 pm)

    We have Dow & Teresa  in charge- just open up your checkbooks. Dow loves to take our money.

  • Sam November 25, 2025 (1:59 pm)

    I am glad that there is a chance that the West Seattle Health Club can be saved. 

    • Kathy November 25, 2025 (10:47 pm)

      Me too.

    • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (9:11 am)

      That would be a good thing. The less disruption this project can cause, the better.

  • Vic Bishop November 25, 2025 (8:18 pm)

    Stop the Damn Trains.  You can’t afford them.  They do not enhance the transit system.   Re-Think the Link

  • Alex Wood November 25, 2025 (8:38 pm)

    Honestly, the only reason I support the Light Rail is because Admiral and Alki will have better service when it’s in. But not in 2032 however, Alki won’t have the H Line until 2039 when the Ballard extension is done. If this remains the case, I will be going on strike. That’s just outrageous to keep all the buses as they are, as that means spoiling the already overserved Alaska Junction and keeping at least 3 West Seattle Areas with little to no service!!! I’m talking about Admiral/Alki, Arbor Heights, and Beach Drive.

  • Kyle November 25, 2025 (8:44 pm)

    West Seattle residents are being short changed, and our political leaders don’t seem to want to fight for us getting the light rail service we voted for.

  • Marie November 25, 2025 (9:24 pm)

    One thing I want to point out about my blog post: https://www.whereiamnow.net/post/here-s-why-west-seattle-needs-a-comprehensive-transit-plan is that I went to the trouble to look at all of West Seattle’s bus routes by neighborhood, area served, frequency, hours, how it connects with light rail (if it does). I also looked at who is left out – many, many of our neighbors have limited or no public transit. I also researched demographics of each neighborhood, including population and median income. That gives you an idea of how some things are skewed toward certain demographics. This is a report that our transportation officials should have provided for us, as part of a neighborhood-by-neighborhood discussion of how to create a transit system that works for all WS residents. I hope you, and they, will take it forward and create something that benefits us all. 

    • anonyme November 26, 2025 (5:03 am)

      Thank you for pointing this out.  Light rail will require an increase in bus service, unless ST expects to install a giant parking lot to serve the thousands of West Seattleites with little or no bus service.  And those who don’t have a car, or who choose not to drive are just screwed.  This system creates more problems than it solves.  Expanded bus service would negate the need for a WS train altogether, at a fraction of the price.  And it could be done NOW.

      • k December 8, 2025 (9:15 am)

        You can’t add buses without taking them from somewhere else because there is a driver shortage.  The light rail alleviates pressure on Metro’s system by providing a faster alternative.  This allows Metro to expand service into currently underserved areas.  You don’t have to speculate on what light rail will look like in West Seattle.  You can see how it works in the other neighborhoods that already have it (Beacon Hill, Northgate, Columbia City, etc.).  People get around fine there AND the light rail is packed.  

  • Keenan November 26, 2025 (6:59 am)

    Stop pretending the bus is a suitable replacement for trains.  The bus is slow, dirty, dangerous, unreliable, temporary, and can have the routes altered at any time.  A bus line next to your home changes nothing.  A permanent train station, on the other hand, can transform the entire neighborhood.  Look at Japan – the most dense valuable space in town is the walkable area radiating outwards from their train stations.  True centers of their communities. People here are hand-wringing over a single bar or gym that might get bulldozed while lacking the vision to see the dozens of new businesses that will pop up to replace them around a new station.

    I will never take the bus.  In every city I’ve lived that has a good train system (Chicago, Melbourne, Nagoya) I exclusively took trains everywhere and it was awesome.  We have A LOT of catching up to do here in Seattle.

  • paul Loeb November 27, 2025 (11:04 am)

    To me, getting to the Junction is critical, because so much transit runs through there and it serves so much of West Seattle. I’d drop the Avalon station if need be.  I also hope they save West Seattle Health Club, if need by by moving the post to the parking area from the current plan to destroy the pool.And in the meantime, increase the frequency of the 50 bus. It’s really a time sink to connect from Admiral to the existing train, so we don’t.

    • Peter S. November 27, 2025 (12:05 pm)

      Retired now, but when working drove my car to 4th/Lander, parked on the street, and caught the Light Rail from there to UW station.  It worked pretty well.  Unfortunately, the city progressively took away that option by limiting on-street  parking first to 4 hours, then to 2 hours.  Oddly, the nearby broken down RVs stayed there, literally, for months.   Taking the bus from Admiral or from the Junction to hop on the Light Rail made no sense, as it more than doubled my commute time.  

  • Jonathan Dubman November 28, 2025 (8:23 pm)

    Eliminating one station is a good start. Next thing to do is eliminate the other two. We need to Rethink Link to West Seattle.

    This project has become unaffordable. Even if it could be built in its entirety, for free, overnight, with zero environmental impacts, it still wouldn’t make sense, because it will forever remain faster and more convenient to take buses directly downtown with zero transfers from vast areas of West Seattle. If capacity is an issue, we can run a lot more buses for a fraction of the cost of building Link. There is a bus lane on the West Seattle Bridge. We can also make a new connection to the SODO busway as has been suggested.

    This project is a boondoggle and should be recast as, how can we vastly improve transit in West Seattle without building vastly over-scaled stations for giant mostly empty trains.Next, eliminate the second downtown transit tunnel that then becomes unnecessary, and all of a sudden we’d be able to afford a Westlake-Ballard line serving the same stations with smaller, automated trains that come even more often than what is planned now. There, Seattle, Fixed it for ya.

    • Scarlett November 29, 2025 (6:54 pm)

      Thanks, Jonathan, for being another voice of reason in all of the light rail wilderness.   I’m beginning to think we need to update Charle’s Mckay, “Delusions and Madness of Crowds” with a special entry devoted to light rail. 

  • Manderley November 30, 2025 (8:36 pm)

    There was not 20 minutes of questions and answers as promised at the end.  If you do decide to watch this, I’d bypass the first 20 minutes or so.  It’s a lot of Dow patting himself on the back :-(  And some woman talking with her hands who added nothing to the conversation.  Can we please stop applauding people for simply showing up?  That eats up time that could be used to actually discuss the topic at hand. Basically a waste of time.  And this is coming from the small minority who thinks it’s a complete waste of money for only 4.1 miles of track.  The buses that serve West Seattle do a fine job and there’s enough of them to and from downtown. We don’t need to spend BILLIONS of dollars for trains that will more than likely only be half to a quarter full.  (I have yet to see a full train, unless it’s after a sporting event)

    The only time I’ve ever been on a train was to go to the airport and then I was surrounded by drunk and /or perpetually high riders who clearly didn’t pay to get on (I just love the design of the trains where there’s no turnstiles and no fare enforcement).

    Sorry, but that almost 8 BILLION dollars could be better spent on law enforcement, crime reduction, bridge upkeep, homeless outreach, building more shelters, etc.

  • S. December 1, 2025 (7:37 am)

    How about the cost to nature in the path between the river and a Delridge station?  Consider this: the branch into W. Seattle would cut off the north end of the Duwamish Greenbelt with its dozens of old growth trees and large heron rookery .  Also at risk would be the Welcome to Pigeon Point Street End Park built by the neighborhood with a city grant.  Sound Transit’s futuristic picture shows the width of this greenery replaced by a very tall concrete wall. As the Lorax said in the Dr. Seuss book, “I speak for the trees.”

  • IDC9 December 8, 2025 (9:15 am)

    Would it make the cost of the West Seattle light rail line easier to swallow if the line was to eventually continue on past the Junction towards Westwood Village, White Center, and Burien?

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