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December 26, 2012 at 6:42 pm #780300
dobroParticipantYour soul is an appalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.
You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You’re a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Grinch.
December 27, 2012 at 1:13 am #780301
hooper1961Memberdobro – i expect people to work for money dobro. pick up litter, dig a ditch, harvest apples. you are the one that is nauseating dobro.
it is very annoying having to pay higher taxes to facilitate lazy asses who do not work. the fact is work is available for anyone willing to work hard to find a job. my ex gf was a prime example for 6 months that is all she did was hunt and interview for jobs. she did not collect one unemployment check!
December 27, 2012 at 1:16 am #780302
kgdlgParticipantHoop, you claim to be a small business owner who pays his employees between $17 and $20 an hour.
I am curious, do you provide any benefits? And are you hiring?
December 27, 2012 at 1:24 am #780303
hooper1961Memberyes i provide PTO; and I am not hiring at this time sorry
December 27, 2012 at 1:51 am #780304
JanSParticipantand how did she pay her rent and food?
December 27, 2012 at 1:54 am #780305
JanSParticipantand gas for her car?, and clothes to interview in? if she was that wonderful, why is she and ex? (sorry, that’s none of my business..nevermind)
December 27, 2012 at 2:09 am #780306
hooper1961Membershe had part time work and used savings
December 27, 2012 at 2:10 am #780307
hooper1961Memberjans she is an ex because i chose to keep my kitty
December 27, 2012 at 3:31 am #780308
redblackParticipanthooper: you seem to have a knack for seeking out and bashing the people who are worst off among us. is that because they’re easy targets?
do you think that people like being jobless? that UI checks are so generous that they’d rather just sit on their asses?
you don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about UI. as a condition of receiving that check from the state, recipients have to actively seek work. (unless they have exceptions, like i do, e.g. union members who are affected by inclement weather, or who have employers who want to keep them while they’re waiting for jobs to start.)
on the other hand, wall street and big industry love the fact that they don’t have to pay those wages. they loooove it when we have labor surpluses, because it means they can drop wages and benefits. as an added bonus, they can kick unions around some more and scapegoat us for demanding things like affordable health care and living wages. like we’re some kind of first world wage earners or something. the nerve! am i right?
anyway, let’s get to this infrastructure thing. those jobs require government to spend money on improvements. in order for government to spend money, it has to have a budget. in order for it to have a budget, people have to pay taxes.
see where i’m going with this?
December 27, 2012 at 4:29 am #780309
hooper1961Memberadd 15 cents a gallon to the fuel use fee that is to be used to enhance the road system and creates work
December 27, 2012 at 4:33 am #780310
redblackParticipantwell, there’s a good idea. but unfortunately, the gas taxes we already pay come nowhere near to maintaining the infrastructure we already have.
in my opinion, any further taxes on gas should go directly to building grade-separated rail, and it should be more like 50 cents per gallon.
it creates jobs, and it gets cars off of our aging infrastructure.
December 27, 2012 at 5:10 am #780311
JoBParticipanthoop
” Anything that gets people off their butt and find work is a better approach.”
the only way this works is if you hang onto the assumption that work is there to find…
especially when you have to show up to an interview lugging your worldly belongings with you and you don’t have an address or a phone or a recent work history…
if an applicant can surmount that.. there’s the credit report and health history.
sound like someone you would hire hoop?
so.. someone get’s sick and loses their job and their insurance and their ability to pay their bill and gets evicted
but it’s all their fault?
if they just hadn’t gotten sick in the first place?
it’s very clear you don’t have a clue what can happen to a well ordered life in less than a heartbeat…
having lived a few of those reversals, i do.
December 27, 2012 at 5:44 am #780312
hooper1961Memberand infrastructure needs re-building! increase fees on gasoline to encourage movement towards electricity. now upgrade the electric lines and add time sensitive meters (so people can recharge during low system demand).
having people do nothing for money is ludicrous and does not increase the pie one iota.
and yes i do JoB losing a working wife suddenly (it happened in a heart beat); fortunately we had saved for a rainy day and I tell you it rained hard
December 27, 2012 at 6:04 am #780313
JoBParticipanthoop
i am glad you survived your personal calamity …
but i wish it had opened your mind and your heart to just how easily the reverse could have been true.
what if the tragedy in your life had cut a little closer to home? what if you had lost your health hoop.. your ability to move, to interact with the world, to produce on schedule?
what if you literally couldn’t work?
and what if the best medicine medical technology could provide couldn’t restore your health?
what would you do then?
How long do you think your savings would hold out?
Ever try to stand in a monsoon hoop?
that’s what rain looks like.
December 27, 2012 at 10:15 am #780314
JanSParticipantJoB..people walk around thinking it could never happen to them. But it can. And it’s an eye opener, for damned sure. Cocksure people like Hooper hopefully won’t learn that for themselves. but..never say never…that’s for sure….
December 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm #780315
hooper1961Memberand how many people spend beyond their means instead of saving for a rainy day?
December 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm #780316
TanDLParticipant“and how many people spend beyond their means instead of saving for a rainy day?”
Probably the same percentage who scrimp and save all their lives, never enjoying one extra dime, then drop dead right before they retire.
Life is a crap shoot, Hoop. You pay your dues and take your chances. Some do everything right and it works for them. Others do everything right and the roof still falls in. And then there are those who dance through life doing absolutely everything wrong and still end up winners. Who knows where you will fall on that spectrum in the end.
December 28, 2012 at 6:33 pm #780317
hooper1961Memberyes it is a crap shoot and you missed one group
– And then there are those who dance through life doing absolutely everything wrong and then look to government to bail them out. THIS IS THE GROUP THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT TAXES
December 28, 2012 at 6:52 pm #780318
waynsterParticipantSo in other words Hooper those’s who get laid off and are hurt on the job can’t find work they should all just suffer and go away under your ideas…while the rich companies and millionaires get all the government tax breaks and incentives to make millions for the stock holders and complain they pay too much in taxes and such. So we should just to pass it on to the backs of the working man and women…….ok someday it could be you unless your one of the lucky ones just hope that its not you…. for those who complain the most they usually are first in line when it all goes wrong….
December 28, 2012 at 6:59 pm #780319
hooper1961Memberi got laid off in the 2003 recession (i know it was not as bad) and did not collect one unemployment check! instead i started working for myself.
like i said i have no issue with raising revenue with higher taxes on the truly wealthy ($250K individual and $500k couple).
but i am still waiting for feedback on cuts?
and i certainly do not want to help those that make bad decisions.
December 28, 2012 at 7:24 pm #780320
JoBParticipanthoop..
you seem to have an obsession with these people who you think are living off your dime.. those citizens who nickel and dime you to death expecting to be fed and housed and treated for medical conditions they had no business getting..
where do you think that obsession came from?
could it be from the advertising dollars of the companies who have enriched their bottom lines during this “downturn” by transferring their tax burdens to you?
perhaps you would be wiser to look at the hand in your back pocket instead.
December 28, 2012 at 7:28 pm #780321
hooper1961Memberi believe personal responsibility and am tired of seeing the never ending increase in social service spending.
for example Washington excessively cut education spending instead of cutting social service spending.
December 29, 2012 at 1:05 am #780322
JoBParticipanthoop..
i believe in personal responsibility too
where we differ is that i don’t believe you can hold people accountable for that which is out of their control.
December 29, 2012 at 1:09 am #780323
JanSParticipantHooper…are you going to be the one who decides who made a bad decision or who didn’t? Or, do you just lump all who are on Medicaid, who get a little help from the gov’t. into the “bad decision” category.?
December 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm #780324
hooper1961MemberJanS criteria can be developed to provide a mechanism to ascertain those that made bad decisions.
as someone who was in the dating game for several years i met a number of ladies who made good money during the good years but had zero savings to show for it. these were the one meeting gals who clearly had no sense of planning for the future.
and JoB saving for a rainy day is in everyone’s control, bad stuff happens that is why pundits recommend having at least 3 months earnings saved for a rainy day.
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