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[Wes]

It’s late and I’m tired so the fire burns lower. =)

I hope that woman did not say it that way to you. I would have told you that Jesus said He was the only way to God. So anyone who makes that kind of statement, did the miraculous things He did, and spoke about a place of eternal torement as well as a place of eternal life, I think is worth seeing if He is right or wrong. Because if He is wrong then you might not have anything to worry about so go do whatever you want, but if He is right then we should see what He has to say about how to get to God and have eternal life.

This would be fair to ask right?

I can tell you what Jesus said and the claims He made and the things He has done and what He says are the consequences of what He says, good and bad, and love you to death no matter what, but if God is drawing you to Jesus, then investigate it and see if it’s true, for yourself, not what the crazy preacher man on TBN says, or on the WSB ;p,but what the Bible says. That seems fair and it does become your free will choice.

Cheers Jan!

[grr]

funny..one of the reasons I’m dumping comcast is BECAUSE of On-Demand…I just refuse to pay MORE money to watch something on demand (mostly movies)..and I DVR’d most other shoes I wanted.

I find Comcasts HD Advertising VERY deceptive…Sure..they have a lot of HD CONTENT, because they include all their OnDemand stuff.

-HD Channel wise, there’s simply no comparaison to Satellite. The main thing I’ll miss is the local PBS in HD, but, I’m sure I’ll survive..I’ll have Food TV HD and SciFi HD..that’ll hold me over.

and I’ll just use my computer for my weather forcast. It’s SEATTLE in Winter. It’ll be 48 degrees and raining. Next.

[Findlay]

Ken,

I would just say that you shouldn’t focus on what the “religious right” does. We are fallen people who follow are own way. Our actions are not obvious God-like as I’m sure your personal actions are sometimes not.

I would just listen to the message of the Gospel and make up your mind on where you stand.

The Gospel (”Good News”)

There is one God who created everything (Heaven and Earth). That God is all powerful and is without sin.

God created man who fell, by trying to be God (worshiping creation rather than creator). In other words, we create idols (house, car, vacation, family, job, intellect, etc.) that lead us away from God.

Man is eternally separated from God in a state of rebellion. Man will die, permanently separated from the God of the Universe without a plan for salvation.

God so loved the world that he created that he sent his own son (Jesus) into creation to take on our sin so that we may be reconciled to him.

The Holy Spirit purpose is to convict us of our sin and to point us to Christ. By turning towards Jesus, God removes the sin the separates us from him.

The Bible was divinely inspired by God to allow us to learn about Jesus and the perfect plan of redemption.

If you doubt that God could do all such things, then your God is too small!

The New Year would be a perfect time to turn from your current ways (if not a Christian), keeping your eyes on eternity, with a new life of meaning, living for the God of the Universe rather than yourself.

This has nothing to do with elections, a Christion-nation, homophobia, men/women domination, abortion, etc.

It is just figuring out that you are not the center of your universe and that there is an eternal being that you need to be justified with.

As C.S. Lewis said, was Jesus was either a lunatic or a liar or Lord. You must make a decision!

[JanS]

Wes…I don’t like the way Mr. Romney has flip-flopped on quite a few things to satisfy different constituents over time…simple enough.

Mr. Huckabee? He can tell us all he wants that his religion will have nothing to do with his being president, but, let’s face it, he is more than just a lay person out there. He’s a Baptist minister…and I think there’s a side to him that he’s not quite being honest about. I think he would have a difficult time keeping the gov’t part and the religious part separate. I have no problem with him or anyone labelling themselves Christian. I do have a problem with my country’s leaders telling me that I have to believe that way, too…having it influence what would affect me on a daily basis…..and it’s just my opinion that ultimately he would do that.

On a political level, I’m not sure that either has the experience of dealing with foreign powers to be sufficient to deal with the things that we’re involved in right now in the world.

Ken…thanks for the very interesting reading…

[WSB]

thanks! good reminder. it’s been a few years since we ourselves had to do major huge in-depth school research. the tricky part here is going to be including all the private schools – we know most of them off the top of our heads but we’re sure we’ll miss somebody inadvertently … everybody check back in the morning and see what we came up with :) (3 AM ADDENDUM, that will be more like LATE morning – about 2/3 of the way there tho) 6:20 PM PPS, still working on it! I never learned the lesson about “underpromise and overdeliver” …

[Ken]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/30/12918/167/526/427649

Well here is a story of recent evangelizing of active duty military.

It is quite possible this is more of a convenient method of parting separating soldiers from their GI education benefits, than a takeover of the military, but the pressure at the Air Force academy is very real and has resulted in a decade of fundamentalist who believe the world is supposed to end in fire PDQ, having control of the largest nuclear arsenal ever assembled on the planet.

Note this is posted at the Great Orange Satans site DailyKos…

For more fun, read Bruce Wilson’s, How Fake American History Feeds Christian Nationalism

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155457/0298

(excerpt)

Step 1: Change Beliefs About Origins of US Government. Step Two: Theocracy !

The easiest way to make the US into a Christian theocracy is to just re-write American history so that Americans grow up believing that the founders intended the US to be a Christian theocracy.

The problem with ignoring this fake history is that it then gets enshrined as “legitimate” and if House Resolution 888 gets passed, a whole mess of the worst history lies of the American Christian right will get entered into the Congressional Record and then people who push the “Christian nation” alternate version of American history can point to the Congressional Record and say “see ? it’s in the Congressional Record ! It must be true !” That’s how PR and propaganda work.

H. Res 888 is designed to make the history lies, cooked up by historical revisionists of the Christian right, more respectable. And, to the extent Congress members vote for it they become caught up in a web of complicity – the overwriting of American history.

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The church today has fallen prey to the heresy of democracy.

— R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), p. 747.

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The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.

Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.

[add]

Oh – and on the Seattle Schools page for each school you can also link directly to that specific school’s annual report, which provides all the data on the school (test scores, diversity/demographics, etc.)

[Ken]

http://www.sbctakeover.com/TakeoverBook.pdf

direct link to the pdf of the entire book. Might take a while to load on some connections. I just tested it.

Maybe I will post some more info on the progress of the stealth takeover of the justice department and the military after dinner. :)

[WSB]

I am working on that but will probably take me till late tonight to finish it. I’d like to create a separate schools page, and hopefully will be able to create room for it with the tabs above. Anybody who sees this between now and say midnight, sending your link would be helpful, otherwise I will be pulling ’em all up off the web.

[WSMom]

January 22 at 7:00 pm Hope Lutheran School will host an Open House for all prospective families.

My family has found Hope to be a wonderful school with dedicated teachers who go to amazing lengths to teach and care for our children. We have been very pleased with the quality of teachers and the administration. We would wholeheartedly recommend Hope to families looking for a smaller school environment where the child’s needs are the priority.

As a mom who has been through school hell I have one piece of advice. I have found that there is a correlation between how much loving kindness my children have experienced at a school and how kindly I am treated by the school office administration. If the school secretary is warm and welcoming to me as a parent, that is a good sign that something right is happening at that school. Since trying to pick a school for our kids is rife with anxiety, confusion and indecision, this is as good an indicator as anything. There is no such thing as a perfect school, but Hope has exceeded my expectations and I am grateful to have stumbled upon it for my children.

[Ken]

Cingular AT&T merger created nearly overwhelming coverage in West Seattle. The original AT&T sites were first leased by cingular before the merger and filled in by Cingular in the months leading up to the merger. Cingular was much better at camouflage than AT&T so they got approved with few problems.

That said, the model of phone it self is often the issue. Some have better reception and reach than others.

There are also traffic issues around certain times due to so many people using them during morning and afternoon rush, sometimes you will get “network unavailable” errors along some of the commuter routes due to cell traffic overload.

Those NIMBY’s who proudly fought cell towers in residential areas in the late 90’s can claim at least partial credit for some of the remaining dead or low signal spots.

[Ken]

Also if anyone wants exaustive detail, here is an online book.

http://www.sbctakeover.com/

[Ken]

Wes. Do you know anything about the history of the Southern Baptist convention and the changes made to it when it was taken over by Dominionist and Reconstructionists in 1979-1980?

Do you understand they forced out theologians and teachers that allowed any variations from the literal interpretation of the Bible, young earth creationism, and the paramount importance of the Old Testament and especially Leviticus?

The Baptist used to vary greatly since one of the tenants of their faith was that God revealed his message to each minister and member through his or her own study of the Bible. This “free will” was a core value of the protestant reformation since it took power from the feudal catholic church’s authoritarian abuse.

Here is a link to two of the better history and time-line pages.

http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mbn/sbc_changes.htm

http://www.mchorse.com/sbcchronology.htm

Huckabee may not have been in on the takeover but he has continued to adhere to its message which will lead inevitably to a theocracy.

Gimme a mainstream Christian of any denomination and you will hear nothing from me on their religion until they too start mixing church and state.

[Wes]

In reference to the Rolling Stones article, I wonder how one might feel if a report was done that we shouldn’t vote for Hillary becasue she is a woman, or Obama because he is african american? But this article has taken the task to make judgement calls and some pretty harsh words to go along with it against Huckabee and that he is a christian. Should not the criteria for our president be one who has a good political track record and seems to have the most reasonable policies and not what they believe or what gender and color?

Andrea, what part of his right-wingedness do feel goes over your rational mind?

And Jan what does it take to lead this country that those two do not posess?

I am not trying to be snarky just wondering what my neighbors think.

[Ken]

I have defended Ron Pauls consistency in other forums. It is his world view that is flawed.

As far as those currently running for the Republican nomination, he is also the least hypocritical. Of course that bar is set by some world class hypocrites…

I am happy to see Fox shut out and smear one of the candidates from the right, only because it was apparently required to break through the cognitive dissonance of Libertarians who had been strolling along unconcernedly on a steady diet of Fox propaganda and fear-mongering.

Too bad the skepticism had to be kick-started in this manner but the Libertarians will probably emerge from this battle a little more relevant and focused.

Democrats will applaud the return of the constitutional powers to the balanced powers of co-equal executive, congressional and judicial branches, but will fight the theocratic, militant paranoid and “privacy for me but not for thee” branches of the libertarian political movements.

Hell, I might vote for him in the primary just to annoy the WA Republican party. The WA republicans are choosing half their delegates in the primary and the Dems are choosing all of theirs at the caucus. (note: Feb 9th, 1 pm at a school near you)

[jb]

Hey, honestly Ron Paul is the most trustworthy guy out there. You might not agree about all that he stands for but at least he is consistent (look at his voting record). If you supported Bush in the last election you can should be leary of anyone whom promises one thing……and then does another.

Let’s end the one size fits all federal government….different regions of the U.S. should be run differntly as those regions represent different viewpoints/lifestyles. This what our founders wanted….That is what makes America great…..we can all live together promoting the message of freedom and individuality.

Hey even if you don’t lik what Ron Paul has to say….at least let him say it!! (i.e. FOX news). The media should not control what or whom w ehear from!!!

[credmond]

Cingular seems to have a good signal anywhere I’m at in West Seattle or other parts of town. It gets a little weird down in the valley between Gatewood Hill, and the highlands of Westwood to the north and Arbor Heights to the south, and by weird I mean two cell conversations, mine and another one I can hear. But that’s the only spot where Cingular/AT&T Wireless seems to have a problem and I attribute it to too many cell towers trying to cover the hills. I believe they’ve got repeaters all over West Seattle. Service is fine in Admiral, the Junction, Pigeon Point, Genesee, Delridge, Alki and Endolyne (a tough spot for some carriers) and elsewhere. I’d opt for the “no roaming charge” plan since that way you’re bound to get a carrier no matter where you are – that’s my plan and I think part of why I have such good “coverage.” Plus, Cingular/AT&T have rollover minutes – that’s a very handy thing if you only talk in batches and not continuously. YMMV.

[JayDee]

While there is always that “dead zone” between the top of the hill and the bottom (right around “Alki Mail and Dispatch”), I have found Verizon to have the best customer service, and the best coverage in general. From my understanding Clearwire is only an Internet provider of slower-than-DSL speeds (Clearwire is a tad coy about actual upload speeds…)

I do not know about your area–I’d quiz your neighbors if you are looking into it. There was/is an odd dead spot in Verizon coverage in the Alaska Junction if you hang there.

While this sounds lukewarm, I’ve gotten better customer service from Verizon wireless than any comparable utility.

[WSB]

We are on the other side of West Seattle but use the phone while driving, er, riding in the car, and have had good coverage with Verizon for months. We have another line which is with Virgin Mobile, which as I understand it taps into the Sprint network, and it’s had more dropouts around WS.

[jayman]

My contract is up with Qwest and I’m looking for alternatives to cell service with good West Seattle cell reception. I’ve read the news on Clear Wire moving into WS, so they may be a choice. I’ve heard T-Mobile, Cingular and Virgin may be good? I live in the Admiral District and would like the same good coverage we have experienced with Qwest but with better Nationwide service and phone options.

Please offer your cell coverage experiences in West Seattle.

[hopey]

From the link posted above: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/walk/Images/CrosswalkLaw1.jpg

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/walk/Images/CrosswalkLaw2.jpg

Those graphics make it pretty darn clear: drivers are not required to stop for a pedestrian standing on the curb. You don’t even have to stop for a pedestrian not in your half of the roadway.

for the moderator: markup doesn’t work in these posts, even when you use backticks.

[WSB]

we did have some roof recs in this thread from before RRRs moved to the forums:

https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=3781

[WSB]

I have just one thing to say:

Glad about Tuesday night’s results mostly because they ran counter to the polls.

My second-to-last boss in the TV business was a very wise man who decreed that we would not cover polls in our newscasts – the horse race was meaningless, he declared, just takes us away from the issues. As the political-coverage manager, I completely agreed with him, and despair as I listen to so much “conventional media” spend so much time on polls. But tonight it was sweet to know that the polls were wrong … because that might force some of my former “old media” colleagues to stop putting quite so much of the spotlight onto them. Talk about facts, talk about crowd sizes at rallies, talk about vote counts, but polls? Methodologies are fallible. Among other problems.

[JayDee]

Thanks to all. I am really in a dilemma; half the Direct TV/Dish Subscribers really like it, no problem. beachdrivegirl had some really negative experiences with Direct TV, and Comcast has a spotty rep, some good, some bad, but generally higher prices.

Now Ken tells me that I will lose my local Weather Channel station input if I upgrade to satellite…This is the one thing that may keep me from switching–As a weather foamer (being rabid about it, that is) I switch between whatever station I am watching and the weather channel for a local radar/forecast shot when a commercial hits . While it seems obvious that I would miss this with satellite, I’d overlooked it.

I may just remain with Comcast for awhile, get a few upgrades from my current package, and see how this whole HD thing sorts itself out. However, for those doubting the move to HD: Do it, it is truly amazing what the quality difference is. My old TV was a stunner in it’s time, but 14 years later is nearly Jurassic Park for TVs.

Thanks all – JayDee

[add]

The sad day for every homeowner has arrived – time to get a new roof! Would love some recommendations/referrals. Thanks.