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  • #654535
    JoB
    Participant

    ScottB…

    i think you answered my question..

    i am all for assimilation.. though as you must know the doors for assimilation are more open for some than for others..

    but if assimilation is your goal, why wouldn’t efforts like DanielleS’s interest you?

    If we have a better understanding of what we do to discriminate and therefore consciously strive to limit that discrimination…

    aren’t we making it easier for those who desire to assimilate?

    #654532
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    JanS,

    I don’t have negative feelings about white people. I have never been able to finish reading “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” because it is so sad, but war/conquest/defeat has always been part of life, so I don’t have any bitterness about subjugation of Native Americans in North America. That’s just what happened during that period of time.

    I do wish immigrants would assimilate into our melting pot. That does not seem to be happening anymore.

    #654530
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    danielleS,

    Thank you for reading the article by Hua Hsu. Hua Hsu’s article has more eloquent and concise writing than I could manage about the issue(s).

    I will read the Peggy McIntosh essay that you mentioned.

    I am not very interested in arguing about the issue(s). I suggest others read what Hua Hsu wrote instead of hoping for an argument with me.

    Here:

    “The End of White America?” by Hua Hsu

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901/end-of-whiteness

    I should try to clarify: my main attitude about the race issue(s) is that I think white people don’t need to beat themselves up anymore about race issue(s), and that self-flagellation is what I find boring and increasingly irrelevant.

    Full disclosure about my race/ethnicity etc.: my father is 4/4 German, my mother is 3/4 Inupiat(Eskimo) and 1/4 Irish, and they were married so I have my father’s last name. If you look at the fractions, I am 1/2 German, 3/8 Inupiat(Eskimo), and 1/8 Irish. That is a 5/8:3/8 ratio for anyone who hasn’t calculated the fractions, and if that provides an aha! moment, fine, but that 1/8 (or the 1/2, or even the 5/8) has not made a noticeable difference in my 51 years of life. I am assimilated, which has made quite a difference in my life.

    #652607

    In reply to: Shoe Day Jan. 20

    shoemama
    Participant

    this is wonderful! i will help to spread the word among my friends.

    there is some great info on the soles4souls website, including a flyer template (looks like you already have one, though):

    http://www.soles4souls.org/pdf/s4s_flyer.doc

    and 10 Steps to Coordinating a Successful “Gently Worn” Shoe Drive:

    * Contact Soles4Souls. A Soles4Souls representative will communicate with you via phone and email to cover shoe drive details.

    * Secure a date to begin. Most shoe drives last around four weeks.

    * Secure your drop-off locations. Secure a location to process the shoes (warehouse, gym, community building, etc.).

    * Ask Soles4Souls about promotional materials. Soles4Souls can provide brochures, collection boxes, a DVD, our logo for you to create a flyer, and a banner to help promote your shoe drive.

    * Suggest a $2 donation per pair to offset shipping cost

    * Feel free to use your local TV, radio, and newspaper to publicize the event.

    * Process the collected shoes by placing a rubber band around each pair and place in boxes for shipping. Please download, complete and include with your shipment the Donor Information form to ensure your receive the appropriate credit.

    * Ship your shoes to our warehouse in Alabama, Nashville or Nevada. Contact a Soles4Souls representative with any shipping questions.

    We will process the shoes and ship domestically/internationally.

    * Publicize your results and express appreciation for everyone’s participation.

    #654688
    Duckitude
    Member

    Okay, it is posted. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pbG0xb3Zc

    Note that Buffy knows his limits and watch to the very last frame… where the second coyote shows up. Wondering what happened after that? Buffy scooted off. He knows two on one ain’t fair, and ain’t gonna go well.

    So far, by the way, no coyotes have caused any problems in this immediate neighborhood. One night I chased one with a baseball bat through Lowman Beach Park just to make sure he/she knew they were noticed. Haven’t seen them back to this area since.

    As everyone knows, there is a family pretty much living in Lincoln Park but they are pretty nomadic and probably show up in a lot of places. Too bad we can’t RFID them and track them on the Web for the fun of it. Would that be considered coyote abuse? I hope not and it would be truly informative as to the coyote’s urban habits.

    #654529
    danielleS
    Member

    Thanks Dunno, I do that. But still I see examples in everyday life of exclusion and discrimination. Of prejudice and misuse of power and it concerns me. And I think that it will not end on its own. I think it’s going to require white people to get together and start dealing with the harsh realities of our culture’s history, and current state.

    Great article Scott B. I was affected by it.

    So, anyone interested in getting together to start a dialogue, let me know. I recommend Peggy McIntosh’s essay “White Privilege: Unpacking the invisible knapsack”. You can easily find it online. It’s a good starting point for the conversation.

    #654660
    Ken
    Participant

    Hey Jackie:

    Who is actually doing the membership stuff? I was going to use the on-line site but it appears to have been designed by a Microsoft usability lab employee.

    :)

    I cannot re-up since I have a family/household membership which takes two separate transactions and the site says the name must match the name on the Credit card. I will just use cash and fill out the form.

    Maybe next time.

    Also: I think I read somewhere that nominations can also be made from the floor…

    I think I will bring some plastic sheeting for the front row like at a Gallagher concert.

    #654527
    danielleS
    Member

    Well, I think my original idea was kinda like what Cait was talking about. Basicly, I think too often, white is seen as a standard, rather than an ethnicity in itself. And uses of words like “ethnic” to describe haircare products in Bartell’s (and lots of other places) made for people other than white, is marginalizing to those people. I notice this subtle form of racism and others too. And I’d like to get together with other white people as a kind of fellowship for change and progression. I know that we can end the awful affects of racism in our country, but racism is a white problem. And I think it’s time that white people start talking about it.

    I really would like to meet and share ideas, literature, and stories for the purpose of moving the goal of ending racism, by starting on a neighborhood level. Like I say, Im no expert. Just someone who has become aware that although we are all equal, the fact is that there are not equal opportunities and resources for everyone.

    So this isn’t really intended to invite people who want to argue about whether or not racism still affects our society, or whether it can only be a white problem due to the characteristic of power in its definition. These things I already know. What I want is people who already accept those things as fact, and would like to be part of the solution, rather than the problem.

    #654350

    In reply to: Ballots due soon…

    JoB
    Participant

    it is really too easy for the real issues to get lost in the tit for tat exchange that centers on opinions.

    what is at issue in the next election is who will be our director of elections.. who will be responsible for making sure that the mechanics of a fair and free election are carried out in such a way that the outcome is not in question when we have a tight race.

    This is a lot more complicated than it looks… especially with the expectations of nearly instantaneous results.

    TR posted a site with an incredible amount of information that will help you make up your own mind who should be our next director of elections..

    http://www.munileague.org/

    if you keep clicking the links on this election.. 2009.. director of elections.. you will eventually come to links to both their websites and the applications they submitted that were the basis of the evaluation that generated the recommendations.

    Please take the time to read the complete applications for both of the leading applicants…

    and then ask yourself.. personalities aside.. politics aside.. if you were responsible for hiring one of those two applicants.. who would you hire?

    your vote does matter on this one…

    #654667

    In reply to: Bubbles?

    WSB
    Keymaster

    They just changed the name for different branding, according to what they told Patrick. I’m putting a little blurb on the main page shortly.

    #654652
    JoB
    Participant

    i second that..

    #654715
    TammiWS
    Member

    One of the items on this list was collecting clothing etc. for people in Tent City. Perhaps the shoes can go there? Along with other clothing people may want to donate?

    #654684
    Duckitude
    Member

    On another note, surveillance cameras have caught some pretty interesting phenomena around these parts. The best, in my opinion, was the video of our favorite outdoor cat (who has refused to come indoors for anyone for years) STALKING a coyote.. yep, harassing a coyote… that is, until the coyote’s partner showed up. The cat, Buffy, appears in the Christmas Ducky Holiday video.

    Buffy, instinctively knew he (yah, he) could not go up against two coyotes, but one, well, that looked kind of interesting for a few moments. Yep, Buffy is a character.

    #654683
    Duckitude
    Member

    To wave and smile at the camera, just look for the birdhouse that looks like it is staring at the duckies. Birdhouses make the best camera housings. Comfy…

    I know, someone is gonna say, “in that Lulu Ducky universe, nothing is as it seems.” Which reminds me, I WILL start working on a duckylingo ducktionary as soon as I can stop laughing about all this. One of the words will be “duckyspeak.”

    For those who have read 1984 (and, honestly, if you haven’t, you should, since, well, things are looking a lot like 1984)… duckyspeak would be the opposite of duckspeak.

    And, maybe close to finally (who knows), check http://www.ADuckyWorld.com for more duckosophy.

    #654681
    inactive
    Member

    LOL

    I know where the duckies live! I walk the dog there all the time. Gonna’ wave and smile at that camera from now on, for sure. Make up for some of that bad passerby juju maybe….

    Oh, funny forum people.

    Thanks for being YOU!

    #589437

    Topic: Auto Mechanic

    in forum Open Discussion

    Looking for a good auto mechanic in West Seattle. Think it’s the alternator but don’t want to get the run around! Do you have a good recommendation please?

    #654525
    Cait
    Participant

    Yeah, I’d like to know more about the original intent. There are some interesting conversations to be had when you realize that white is a race too. I’d be interested – I haven’t had a real conversation about this since I graduated last year and I feel my racial awareness skills going soft.

    #654680
    Cait
    Participant

    Miws! I like it because it sounds like Evel da Keneval. Which is glorious.

    BTW – oh purveyor of ducks and newfound favorite West Seattle Creative Person… where do you live that you’re plagued by this kind of teenage hipster scum? Because… if you bait them with black nail polish and Radiohead CDs you can lure them back and cuss them heartily. Or I can do it for you.

    #654679
    miws
    Participant

    Stunt duckies, eh?

    Is one of them named “Evel Ducknievel”, perchance? ;-)

    Mike

    #654524
    mom2soren
    Member

    UW is offering a course on this topic right now, as it relates to healthcare:

    NURS 550 White Privilege and Racism in Health and Human Services (3)

    Explores relationships among the psychosocial health of people of color, American cultural patterns of intersecting forms of oppression (e.g., gender, race, and class) and the role of health professionals in defining, ameliorating and/or aggravating psychosocial distress. Credit/no credit only. Offered: jointly with WOMEN 550.

    Instructor Course Description: David G. Allen

    #654520
    charlabob
    Participant

    Alki, here’s my theory: if we ever get together and if we behave as progressives normally do, the discussions will be centered on whatever set of privileges whoever is there wnats to talk about. That’s what makes us fun (and frustrating). :-)

    BTW, I don’t have guilt and I hardly ever flagellate. Any idea that’s what these discussions are about is BORINGLY knee-jerkedly obtuse. G-d I do love stereotypes, even about me.

    #654345

    In reply to: Ballots due soon…

    JoB
    Participant

    to rephrase that blurb written by David Irons in terms more consistent with the revelations from Goldy’s investigation in 2005…

    :)))

    eleven years ago i forced the company i was working with to divest it’s assets in a high technology company (providing internet access to vendors at the coliseum) by floating them a loan that i knew they couldn’t repay and seizing their asset as collateral…

    i was able to hire away the personnel who ran that asset and they did an admirable job of running that asset for me…

    i believe in inspiring others and a hands off management style…

    it really helped that dad and my attorney sister had the old company by the … well you know.. they are able to ensure that they were cooperative and i wasn’t prosecuted.

    Heck, dad was more than glad for me to have a company of my own that would support me if i let it run itself… captive markets are a good thing…

    since my new company had only assets and income, my employees were able to expand our business into several states.

    When the new technology of wifi began to intrude drastically on my business which relied on hard wire internet connections, i was able to sell the contracts i had with several facilities and didn’t have to face the transition into new technology..

    and i got a sweetheart deal in the process.. i negotiated to keep my position and salary for a year!

    I have proved that i am perfectly capable of leaving a company alone and letting good people manage it… and that i know how to negotiate a good deal when things don’t work out so well for me…

    :)))

    there is always more than one possible interpretation of events.. and the truth probably lies somewhere between those two…

    the open minded way to analyze the two candidates is to read both their applications…

    then ask yourself who is more qualified for the job at hand… Director of Elections…

    #654658
    jwd
    Member

    Add: I am the Newsletter Editor, but I no longer keep the member list. We have gone to a new system for keeping track of memberships, one which allows us to receive membership dues by credit card. This system is a great improvement, but nothing like my beloved old Excel list, so I turned the job over to someone else who is more computer savvy than I am. I think you just got lost in the transition, and no, you don’t need to pay dues again. We carry over members who pay in November. Please e-mail me your address and I’ll make sure that you receive the newsletter.

    Ken: Here’s a quick explanation of what happened with the PCO write-ins: the State Party requires that each candidate receive at least 10% of the highest vote-getting Democrat in that precinct in order to be a PCO. None of the write-ins met that threshold, and some of them didn’t even know that they had been elected. A few weren’t even Democrats. Those who are genuinely interested in the job can be appointed at the next meeting, but not until after the election of officers takes place. They will not have a vote in the reorganization.

    As to the listing of candidates in the newsletter, they are the candidates that had come forward at the time the newsletter went to the printer, Thursday night, January 1. There’s at least one more candidate besides Kim Becklund and Lisa Plymate: Mitch Feller, is running for Second Vice Chair, and there are probably even more out there.

    Normally our reorganization, or election of officers, is pretty boring because almost every candidate is unopposed. But not this year! There are at least two candidates for almost every position. This promises to be one rip-roaring meeting! Hope to see you all there.

    #654518
    Zenguy
    Participant

    Scott B. glad to see that you know all about everything and have no room to grow. Clearly you have mastered all as evidenced by your comments about the LGBT community. I am also Native American, along with many other things and gay as well and I know I still have much to learn.

    #654517
    JoB
    Participant

    ScottB…

    but would you be interested if the subject were racial discrimination among native american tribes and the issue of privilege as it applies to those tribes who were granted tribal status and thus have had access to economic opportunities denied other tribes… and how that privilege has become political clout that has been used to further discriminate against those native Americans not so privileged… to deny them access to the certification that would allow them to access privilege?

    This subject is not limited to pasty white folks…

    in fact, discrimination among competing factions of ethnic groups often exceeds that of interracial origin. Difficulties taking personal responsibility for both discrimination and abuse of privilege aren’t limited to one ethnic group…

    Any time we separate individuals into us and them based on some arbitrary standard and not on individual merits, we are indulging in discrimination.

    “I think urban, liberal, white people’s self-flagellation is irrelevant and boring, and the (white guilt)/(white hatred) of an individual white person is probably not so individual as he/she may think.”

    don’t you think that merits discussion even if you might choose not to join it?

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