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  • #613605

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    JanS
    Participant

    Wes…I don’t like the way Mr. Romney has flip-flopped on quite a few things to satisfy different constituents over time…simple enough.

    Mr. Huckabee? He can tell us all he wants that his religion will have nothing to do with his being president, but, let’s face it, he is more than just a lay person out there. He’s a Baptist minister…and I think there’s a side to him that he’s not quite being honest about. I think he would have a difficult time keeping the gov’t part and the religious part separate. I have no problem with him or anyone labelling themselves Christian. I do have a problem with my country’s leaders telling me that I have to believe that way, too…having it influence what would affect me on a daily basis…..and it’s just my opinion that ultimately he would do that.

    On a political level, I’m not sure that either has the experience of dealing with foreign powers to be sufficient to deal with the things that we’re involved in right now in the world.

    Ken…thanks for the very interesting reading…

    #586227
    Ken
    Participant

    Frank Schaeffer son of theologian and Presbyterian pastor Francis Schaeffer, was pivotal in the creation of the Religious Right

    Quotes below taken from a Rob Boston book review at:

    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/8/103830/9285

    (excerpt)

    Consider these choice quotes from Schaeffer’s recently published book,

    Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back:

    “What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not `conservatives’ at all, in the old sense of the world. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries.”

    —-

    “Pat Robertson…would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement.”


    “Dad could hardly have imagined how they would help facilitate the instantly corrupted power-crazy new generation of evangelical public figures like Ralph Reed, who took money from the casino industry while allegedly playing both sides against the middle in events related to the Abramoff Washington lobbyist scandal.”


    “Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They wereplastic,’ Dad said, and `power-hungry.'”


    “There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed – sort of – but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn’t figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else.”


    “Dad seemed lost in a depressed daze. He had recently been saying privately that the evangelical world was more or less being led by lunatics, psychopaths, and extremists, and agreeing with me that if `our side’ ever won, America would be in deep trouble.”


    #613604

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/30/12918/167/526/427649

    Well here is a story of recent evangelizing of active duty military.

    It is quite possible this is more of a convenient method of parting separating soldiers from their GI education benefits, than a takeover of the military, but the pressure at the Air Force academy is very real and has resulted in a decade of fundamentalist who believe the world is supposed to end in fire PDQ, having control of the largest nuclear arsenal ever assembled on the planet.

    Note this is posted at the Great Orange Satans site DailyKos…

    For more fun, read Bruce Wilson’s, How Fake American History Feeds Christian Nationalism

    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155457/0298

    (excerpt)

    Step 1: Change Beliefs About Origins of US Government. Step Two: Theocracy !

    The easiest way to make the US into a Christian theocracy is to just re-write American history so that Americans grow up believing that the founders intended the US to be a Christian theocracy.

    The problem with ignoring this fake history is that it then gets enshrined as “legitimate” and if House Resolution 888 gets passed, a whole mess of the worst history lies of the American Christian right will get entered into the Congressional Record and then people who push the “Christian nation” alternate version of American history can point to the Congressional Record and say “see ? it’s in the Congressional Record ! It must be true !” That’s how PR and propaganda work.

    H. Res 888 is designed to make the history lies, cooked up by historical revisionists of the Christian right, more respectable. And, to the extent Congress members vote for it they become caught up in a web of complicity – the overwriting of American history.


    The church today has fallen prey to the heresy of democracy.

    — R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), p. 747.


    The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.

    Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.

    #613603

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Kayleigh
    Member

    It doesn’t bother me that Huckabee is a Christian, but I don’t like that he thinks the earth is 6,000 years old. I prefer a president who trusts science in matters like those.

    What REALLY bothers me is that Huckabee’s son tortured and killed a helpless stray dog, and Huckabee used his influence to keep his son out of trouble. Corrupt and vile.

    #613783
    WSB
    Keymaster

    I am working on that but will probably take me till late tonight to finish it. I’d like to create a separate schools page, and hopefully will be able to create room for it with the tabs above. Anybody who sees this between now and say midnight, sending your link would be helpful, otherwise I will be pulling ’em all up off the web.

    #586226
    Julie
    Member

    It could be useful to parents who don’t know what all the options are to have a list of WS schools, including contact info or website links. Where would be a good place to put this, WSB?

    #613601

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Wes
    Member

    I do not know anything about the history of the SBC , never claimed to. But despite that how could anyone, except by war and force impose a theocracy in our country. No way would this slide by our congress or judicial system. That’s a bit out there.

    I simply wanted to know why they specifically make the claims they do. Thank you for your input and information.

    I also could not get the pages to load on the online book.

    WSMom
    Participant

    January 22 at 7:00 pm Hope Lutheran School will host an Open House for all prospective families.

    My family has found Hope to be a wonderful school with dedicated teachers who go to amazing lengths to teach and care for our children. We have been very pleased with the quality of teachers and the administration. We would wholeheartedly recommend Hope to families looking for a smaller school environment where the child’s needs are the priority.

    As a mom who has been through school hell I have one piece of advice. I have found that there is a correlation between how much loving kindness my children have experienced at a school and how kindly I am treated by the school office administration. If the school secretary is warm and welcoming to me as a parent, that is a good sign that something right is happening at that school. Since trying to pick a school for our kids is rife with anxiety, confusion and indecision, this is as good an indicator as anything. There is no such thing as a perfect school, but Hope has exceeded my expectations and I am grateful to have stumbled upon it for my children.

    #613689
    acemotel
    Participant

    Another note from the 34th district meeting last night: the speaker for Edwards was greeted with cheering and wild applause from most of the 100+ people there. There was no speaker for Obama.

    #613598

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    Wes. Do you know anything about the history of the Southern Baptist convention and the changes made to it when it was taken over by Dominionist and Reconstructionists in 1979-1980?

    Do you understand they forced out theologians and teachers that allowed any variations from the literal interpretation of the Bible, young earth creationism, and the paramount importance of the Old Testament and especially Leviticus?

    The Baptist used to vary greatly since one of the tenants of their faith was that God revealed his message to each minister and member through his or her own study of the Bible. This “free will” was a core value of the protestant reformation since it took power from the feudal catholic church’s authoritarian abuse.

    Here is a link to two of the better history and time-line pages.

    http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mbn/sbc_changes.htm

    http://www.mchorse.com/sbcchronology.htm

    Huckabee may not have been in on the takeover but he has continued to adhere to its message which will lead inevitably to a theocracy.

    Gimme a mainstream Christian of any denomination and you will hear nothing from me on their religion until they too start mixing church and state.

    #613597

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Wes
    Member

    In reference to the Rolling Stones article, I wonder how one might feel if a report was done that we shouldn’t vote for Hillary becasue she is a woman, or Obama because he is african american? But this article has taken the task to make judgement calls and some pretty harsh words to go along with it against Huckabee and that he is a christian. Should not the criteria for our president be one who has a good political track record and seems to have the most reasonable policies and not what they believe or what gender and color?

    Andrea, what part of his right-wingedness do feel goes over your rational mind?

    And Jan what does it take to lead this country that those two do not posess?

    I am not trying to be snarky just wondering what my neighbors think.

    #613661
    Ken
    Participant

    I have defended Ron Pauls consistency in other forums. It is his world view that is flawed.

    As far as those currently running for the Republican nomination, he is also the least hypocritical. Of course that bar is set by some world class hypocrites…

    I am happy to see Fox shut out and smear one of the candidates from the right, only because it was apparently required to break through the cognitive dissonance of Libertarians who had been strolling along unconcernedly on a steady diet of Fox propaganda and fear-mongering.

    Too bad the skepticism had to be kick-started in this manner but the Libertarians will probably emerge from this battle a little more relevant and focused.

    Democrats will applaud the return of the constitutional powers to the balanced powers of co-equal executive, congressional and judicial branches, but will fight the theocratic, militant paranoid and “privacy for me but not for thee” branches of the libertarian political movements.

    Hell, I might vote for him in the primary just to annoy the WA Republican party. The WA republicans are choosing half their delegates in the primary and the Dems are choosing all of theirs at the caucus. (note: Feb 9th, 1 pm at a school near you)

    #613660
    jb
    Member

    Hey, honestly Ron Paul is the most trustworthy guy out there. You might not agree about all that he stands for but at least he is consistent (look at his voting record). If you supported Bush in the last election you can should be leary of anyone whom promises one thing……and then does another.

    Let’s end the one size fits all federal government….different regions of the U.S. should be run differntly as those regions represent different viewpoints/lifestyles. This what our founders wanted….That is what makes America great…..we can all live together promoting the message of freedom and individuality.

    Hey even if you don’t lik what Ron Paul has to say….at least let him say it!! (i.e. FOX news). The media should not control what or whom w ehear from!!!

    #586222

    Topic: Cell Service

    in forum Open Discussion
    jayman
    Member

    My contract is up with Qwest and I’m looking for alternatives to cell service with good West Seattle cell reception. I’ve read the news on Clear Wire moving into WS, so they may be a choice. I’ve heard T-Mobile, Cingular and Virgin may be good? I live in the Admiral District and would like the same good coverage we have experienced with Qwest but with better Nationwide service and phone options.

    Please offer your cell coverage experiences in West Seattle.

    #613686
    WSB
    Keymaster

    I have just one thing to say:

    Glad about Tuesday night’s results mostly because they ran counter to the polls.

    My second-to-last boss in the TV business was a very wise man who decreed that we would not cover polls in our newscasts – the horse race was meaningless, he declared, just takes us away from the issues. As the political-coverage manager, I completely agreed with him, and despair as I listen to so much “conventional media” spend so much time on polls. But tonight it was sweet to know that the polls were wrong … because that might force some of my former “old media” colleagues to stop putting quite so much of the spotlight onto them. Talk about facts, talk about crowd sizes at rallies, talk about vote counts, but polls? Methodologies are fallible. Among other problems.

    #613685
    Ken
    Participant

    I like Hillary. I don’t like some of her voting record or her current triangulation . I liked Bill but I recognized the terrible future that both NAFTA and the various deregulation bills would bring.

    I don’t trust her judgment, and her top advisor has lied to me face to face concerning touch screen voting.

    Other than that I am undecided :)

    Edwards is not the orator that Obama is but he understands the difference between health care and health insurance.

    I also hope that Obama understands that Bipartisanship means different things to Republicans and to Democrats. Some Democrats still think it means compromise, while Republicans have redefined it to mean “Stand aside plebeians! I am on imperial business” (Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem!)

    However, if any of the three are the nominee, I will work my ass off to get them elected since they are all far more likely to “First, do no harm” than any of the Republican gang.

    “The way to make money is to start your own religion.” [L. Ron Hubbard, 1954]

    #613581
    JayDee
    Participant

    Thanks to all. I am really in a dilemma; half the Direct TV/Dish Subscribers really like it, no problem. beachdrivegirl had some really negative experiences with Direct TV, and Comcast has a spotty rep, some good, some bad, but generally higher prices.

    Now Ken tells me that I will lose my local Weather Channel station input if I upgrade to satellite…This is the one thing that may keep me from switching–As a weather foamer (being rabid about it, that is) I switch between whatever station I am watching and the weather channel for a local radar/forecast shot when a commercial hits . While it seems obvious that I would miss this with satellite, I’d overlooked it.

    I may just remain with Comcast for awhile, get a few upgrades from my current package, and see how this whole HD thing sorts itself out. However, for those doubting the move to HD: Do it, it is truly amazing what the quality difference is. My old TV was a stunner in it’s time, but 14 years later is nearly Jurassic Park for TVs.

    Thanks all – JayDee

    #613683
    credmond
    Participant

    I’m just this side of being inspired by the notion of Obama being president. Fresh ideas, not too many ties to the “old school,” and a following which could help turn the country back to where it ought to be. I’m holding off having any hopes since the process is still so fluid – but….

    put me down as a closet Obama fan. Richardson would be a good running mate for anyone. Hillary, yes, I believe her but also think if the momentum holds, Obama would be a better president for change. Just my gut, no logic here.

    #586221
    add
    Participant

    The sad day for every homeowner has arrived – time to get a new roof! Would love some recommendations/referrals. Thanks.

    #586220
    WSMom
    Participant

    I think that Senator Hillary Clinton would make a wonderful president of the US. I think she’s smart, organized, experienced and forthright. I agree with her positions on issues and I believe she has a good plan for turning our country around. Also, I would love to see a woman in the Oval Office. So why am I still undecided and flirting with Obama? I worry that if she’s the democratic candidate we could end up with another four years of a Republican presidency. So, Hill-raisers and Hill-haters out there, let’s start talking. I’m curious as to your real opinions regarding Sen. Clinton.

    #613490
    credmond
    Participant

    Ken,

    The advisory board members all live west of 35th from North Admiral down to Fauntleroy. That was the intention since the RR route follows the 54 (not 54X). However, we – all 19 of us – have pushed continuously for loop bus systems to join up with the RR and to extend the 21 and 60 so they better cover both White Center and Arbor Heights. Metro does plan on a second round of community involvement once the primary route is decided. That second round would include what additional local bus links (or loops) would be necessary to link everyone in WS with the RR route.

    Delridge is an exception since the 120 serves the Delridge corridor (down to the Burien TC) on 15 minute centers Monday through Saturday. Delridge bus service has improved and that improvement shows in ridership – the 120 is now one of the top-ten buses in the entire system for ridership. Proving that if you actually provide service, people will use it.

    #613656
    cheyenne
    Member

    As an undecided voter, why would I want to support Ron Paul?

    #586218

    Topic: HR 888

    in forum Politics
    Ken
    Participant

    While the recent House of Representatives “Christmas resolution” was being covered in the PI generating 5 pages of condemnation of Jim McDermott for voting against it, another far more disturbing resolution was introduced, one which, does not appear to have been noticed by anyone.

    On December 18, 2007, Congressman Randy Forbes (R-VA) introduced H. Res. 888, a resolution “Affirming the rich spiritual and religious history of our Nation’s founding and subsequent history and expressing support for designation of the first week in May as ‘American Religious History Week’ for the appreciation of and education on America’s history of religious faith.”

    This resolution, which purports to promote “education on America’s history of religious faith,” is packed with the same American history lies found on the Christian nationalist websites, and in the books of pseudo-historians like David Barton. It lists a total of seventy-five “Whereas’s,” leading up to four resolves, the third of which is particularly disturbing — that the U.S. House of Representatives “rejects, in the strongest possible terms, any effort to remove, obscure, or purposely omit such history from our Nation’s public buildings and educational resources,”

    This is historical revisionism on a grand scale and it looks like it will slip through congress with no notice by the press busily baying like a pack of dogs across New Hampshire.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.RES.888:

    For debunking of specific “whereas” see this book/website:

    http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

    Many people here in WA have told me that the takeover of the Republican party in the 80’s by fundamentalist, was repulsed and corrected. Informed people know better. The stealth use of steeplejacking of existing churches, using fake history in homeschools and christian schools, and the appeal to authoritarians of the dominionist, punish everyone world view, has all but wiped out moderate republicans in the WA GOP.

    The Theocratic wing of the Republican party is driving now and with Huckabee’s rise in the primaries, they will only get bolder.

    #613536
    credmond
    Participant

    It’s funny, in the Wiki entry for Pennsylvania, they mention Tastykake as being one of the local food traditions – previously citing Pennsylvania as the capital of the snack food world. Yum, I think I can even remember one of their radio jingles. I’d said caramel earlier, obviously I meant to say butterscotch. That’s probably also the only butterscotch item I ever liked – hate the stuff, otherwise. I always thought they put something in the recipe so that it would become addicting. Also, apparently Philadelphia is the heart of the American food flavor and scent industry. Knew someone who worked there and they were always inventing new compounds which totally tasted or smelled like – a Jones Soda. Wonder who does the chemistry work for Jones.

    #586217

    Saw this sticker on some dude’s laptop. It was oval, dark blue and specifically said West Seattle. He couldn’t remember where it came from – does anyone know?

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