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[flipjack]

The whole “running for election thing” seems to be just a HUGE waste of time and money. Nothing more than a really long spectator sport. Or another MAJOR distraction from what is really going on in this country and the world.

I always vote anyway, but I truly do not trust the system as it stands at all.

[flipjack]

Just like the 2000 and 2004 elections were shrouded in controversy; lost ballots, people denied votes in Florida, intentionally rigged voting machines owned by private corporations that gave money to the Republican party etc….

What makes you think it won’t happen again? Nothing has been done and it’s already happening in the primaries (the New Hampshire primary).

If you think everything has been hunky dory in the past few elections you just aren’t paying attention.

What do you think??

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/help-defend-the-integrity-of-our-voting-system/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[Aim]

Thanks Jan. I know my partner isn’t the least bit afraid to dial 911 if need be. I was already warned earlier this evening that there’d be an ambulance on the way if I got any worse.

I’m in bed at this point, just kinda chillin. Things seem to be settling down. We went out for a bit on a roundabout of all the drug stores in the area, looking for a peak flow meter to see if I could keep an eye on it myself.

However, apparently no drugstore in this area stays open past 6pm (pharmacy part anyway) and the flow meters are kept behind the counter. Makes me wonder if they’re a high-theft item or what. and why on earth they would be…

We still need to get a WS Gimpy Coffee Klatch going. I’m thinking maybe in a couple of weeks when things settle down a bit would be good for me.

[JanS]

Aim…remember…if it really gets bad, don’t hesitate to call 911….they will be there in a matter of minutes. And the EMT’s are great…really. Quicker than taking yourself to an ER while you’re having problems breathing.

[MissK]

LOL!! Yes that is the smartest idea. If you are just going to Pioneer Square the bus is the best and cheapest way to go.

[WSB]

I think that’s the closest – from the other end of WS it might be Harborview on First Hill, but I just compared via Mapquest directions, and from Westwood Village, Highline is 5 miles, while Harborview is 8 miles. Hope you are OK now.

[jlberger]

Hi Todd – I truly believe that I have the best dentist in the world. Dr. Kari Chellis, (www.smilesecrets.com). She is located at 4700 42nd Ave. SW, Suite 555 (above the Bartell’s store). She has become the standard by which I judge all of my other health care professionals (e.g. expertise, passion, thoughtfulness, innovation, etc.). I can actually say that I enjoy going to the dentist!

[Aim]

Ok folks, I am probably heading to Highline on Military Road, as that’s what google is netting me, but for future reference, what is the nearest emergency room to WS? Specifically I am in “South Delridge” near Westwood Village, and seem to be having an asthma attack. Diagnosed yesterday, and suddenly having trouble breathing properly.

As I said I will likely head out to Highline momentarily, but is anything closer?

Thanks in advance.

[WSB]

Yes, the PEPS page gave me a couple preschool names I hadn’t found otherwise – those are the hardest ones to come up with; I thought briefly of not including preschools but realized that would be silly, sometimes that’s the toughest decision – where should your kid START school!? Ours went to Lincoln Park Co-op for the very first experience of not dealing with parental types – the co-op concept of “one day you (parent) stay and help, the other day he’s here with the teacher and other parents” was also helpful for our transition as well as his!

[Bonnie]

Take the bus?

[MissK]

You could always drive underneath the bridge? I think along Spokane? Or you could get on 99 and get off on the Seneca exit? Depends what time you leave your house. If its between 8am-9am you pretty much have to suffer the commute. The cops are really rude and yes the woman motorcycle cop is a royal pain. She has riden along side my car and motioned for me to slow down. WHAT!! I was going the speed limit. I think she just is taking he power she has too far. By any means STAY OUT OF THE BUSLANES!! Unless you want to put up with the coppers.

Good Luck on the commute.

[k]

I have to get to work near Pioneer Square everday. Taking the WS Bridge to 1st is the quickest option, but it’s a mess 3 out of 5 days a week. There’s NEVER enough time to get over and get off the bridge. Most of the time it forces traffic into the bus lane. Out of necessity, not of want to break the law. Yesterday, madame motorcycle policewoman pulled several of us over, calling us “children who can’t act like adults and follow rules or she would give us 110 reasons to follow them”. Her immediate request was for us all to get out of the bus lane. Had we done that, accidents would have occurred and chaos. Please someone, what is the trick to negotiating our beloved bridge??? HELP???

[WSB]

finally done!

https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?page_id=5111

find it from the “schools” tab atop any page

will add some more resources over the weekend but for now we think it’s a fairly comprehensive list of schools with their weblinks and also maps showing where they are. thanks again for the idea.

[JanS]

hey, I totally understand….I live right behind Adm. Safeway, and it gets here quick. The online service is great….and…they remember you.:))

[Ken]

hehe. I got a quote from WS radiator of nearly 500.00

Courtesy tire came in at about 350.

I decided to replace it myself and figured if it would take a real mechanic half a day that I could do it in two.

parts Cost 160.00 + tax for the extra cooling version and I only skinned one knuckle.

I did however find out that a mixture of coolant and transmission fluid makes a Rod Stewart hair gel of great strength.

Here I was assuming standard html 1 did not work. Lets test some stuff.

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note imbeded hard linefeeds pass through the edit button while xml workaround is stripped out even if enclosed by (backtick which I had always called Accent et grave

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[Ken]

The references and sources are on the foot note page.

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes_1.htm

The footnotes and sources for the entire book are at the link on the top left of the home page at

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

under the words:View and verify sources cited in the book:

This link is then provided.

http://www.liarsforjesus.com/footnotes.htm

A cursory glance indicates that most of the cited documents are online At the LOC if a little hard to read due to the 18th century spelling and font and the dark patina of the medium.

The sentence you quote makes little sense outside the context of the preceding and following paragraphs. It’s almost as if one were following the example of a local institute who attempt to cast doubt on an idea or theory by picking at one part of it and then declaring that the entire body of work acquired over decades, must be ignored and the magical explanation is thereby proven.

Let’s post a little more of the chapter and see.

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From History Forgotten, the most widely circulated of the internet lists: “Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of Scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society.1 Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.”

William Federer’s version of the 1777 Bible story is typical of those found in the majority of religious right American history books. It tells half of the real story, includes a quote from an actual committee report, but ends with a fabricated resolution. The resolution is created to change the outcome of the story from Congress dropping the matter, which is what really happened, to Congress proceeding to import the Bibles. Tim LaHaye’s version, that Congress printed Bibles for the Indians, has absolutely no basis in fact. But, as drastically different as their stories are, both Federer and LaHaye cite the same pages from the Journals of the Continental Congress as their source.

In addition to changing the outcome of the story, none of the religious right American history books fully explain why Congress was considering importing the Bibles in the first place. Most mention that the war with England caused a shortage of Bibles, which is true, but this is only half the story. Congress’s consideration of the matter had to do with the prevention of price gouging.

Not all Americans during the Revolutionary War were the virtuous, Christian citizens portrayed in the religious right version of American history. Many were taking advantage of war shortages and charging outrageous prices for just about anything they could get their hands on. No product was safe – not even Bibles. The widespread problem of price gouging prompted numerous attempts by individual states, groups of states, and Congress to regulate prices, none of which were very successful. With less than half the country in favor of the war to begin with, Congress was very concerned with minimizing hardships like high prices and shortages of items previously imported from England.

In 1777, three ministers from Philadelphia, Francis Alison, John Ewing, and William Marshall, came up with a plan to alleviate the Bible shortage. Their idea was to import the necessary type and paper, and print an edition in Philadelphia. The problem with this plan, however, was that, if the project was financed and controlled by private companies, the Bibles would most likely be bought up and resold at prices that the average American couldn’t afford.

Rev. Alison wrote a memorial to Congress, explaining the dilemma and asking for help. What the ministers wanted Congress to do was finance the printing, as a loan to be repaid by the sale of the Bibles. As Rev. Alison explained in the memorial, if Congress imported the type and paper, and Congress contracted the printer, then Congress could regulate the selling price of the Bibles.

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End excerpt (note there is more of this chapter available in the web site, but it is truncated at the end of the next page I believe)

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I have to take the time to figure out which markup plugin is being used here since formatting quotes and sub quotes is getting ugly…

[cheyenne]

My two cents worth: Have had Dish for several years now. I cannot live without my Free Speech TV! For years I’d catch part of Democracy Now on KUOW but watching the show is like the day versus night. Being informed in this day and age is priceless–if you only watch Fox or CNN you’re liable to think Bush is a great man and Hillary is a lefty!

As for the Weather Channel, I’ll never forget watching the regional satellite images of Katrina bearing down on Louisiana’s coast and thinking, “New Orleans is toast”. We watch “on the 8’s” and our local weather and that has served us well.

[cheyenne]

PS Ken I’m no longer undecided!

[cheyenne]

My main concern with Edwards is fear that what happened to Bill Clinton might happen to him. Clinton ran on a progressive platform but once elected fell prey to advisers who pulled him aside and said “this is how it’s going to be”. B.C. was a corporatist who gave us NAFTA, and flushed the dollar down the toilet. Sure, the Iraq war is sucking the juices out of us, but Wal-Mart used to sell Made in America and NAFTA gave them and others the green light to basically take our manufacturing jobs and hand them to Asia.

Hillary is more of the same, and will compromise too much. We can’t afford her. She is lying when she says she will bring change.

Obama has his heart in a good place but Kucinich is the man who knows exactly the right answer to every question you can possibly think to ask. He alone exhibits the intelligence and temerity I look for in a leader.

I dare anyone to challenge Kucinich on any question, and compare him to any candidate! Issue after issue, Dennis Kucinich amazes me with his intricate knowledge of not just the problems, but well-thought-out solutions!

I’m sorry Edwards is considered more electable, and I like the guy a lot but regrettably the only person I can vote for is Kucinich. Until the end. I will write him in, unless he is chosen as the V.P.

[cheyenne]

Wow, I like this thread!

The religious right (as created by the aforementioned Schaeffer et al) is _absolutely_ un-American. Although the colonies were initially established by Puritans, the States rose above the divisive aspect of religion by keeping it at arm’s length. The Founding Fathers could see how unfettered mixing of church and state restricted the freedom of the people to choose how they worship, not to mention how they live in general.

PS I love Dave B. and G.K.

[Julie]

My biggest concern with Obama is his relatively weak environmental agenda; I suppose it’s his midwest ties, but he leans far too heavily on biofuels. We need them in the mix, but as a bridge technology.

Edwards appears the strongest in both environment and healthcare of the candidates the press has decided remain to us. (lowmanbeach, I wish your second-to-last boss were in charge now…)

I’m disappointed in Clinton’s very conservative thinking…but she’s certainly better than the status quo.

[Ken]

You think I despise charlatans and hypocrites because I have never been exposed to the “gospel”? I am from North Carolina. I have seen it close up and know a few of the children of major fundies. I have been a cast member in a traveling evangelical show. I have lived in Christian fundamentalist communes and compounds.

I have no problem with the gospel, my issue is with those who read it, and ignore the words of Jesus to concentrate on those parts of the old testament which reinforce their own prejudices, and justify their hatred and averice.

Throuout history there have been those who use religion for personal gain, political power or as a cover for their mental health issues. There have also been good and decent people who derive great comfort and strength from their belief.

It is when the former use the latter for personal gain that I get upset.

I see above a sweetened up standarization of Calvinism with the parts that scare people glossed over or removed. Lets look at the thing in a bit brighter light.

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“The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. But compare with these the demoralizing dogmas of Calvin.

1. That there are three Gods.

2. That good works, or the love of our neighbor, is nothing.

3. That faith is every thing, and the more incomprehensible the proposition, the more merit the faith.

4. That reason in religion is of unlawful use.

5. That God, from the beginning, elected certain individuals to be saved, and certain others to be damned; and that no crimes of the former can damn them; no virtues of the latter save.”

— Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822

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And in response to Dave Barry, lets try Garrison Keillor

You might not have always liked Republicans, but you could count on them to manage the bank. They might be lousy tippers, act snooty, talk through their noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as they race their Pierce-Arrows through the village, but you knew they could do the math. To see them produce a ninny and then follow him loyally into the swamp for five years is disconcerting, like seeing the Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. […]

It is painful to look at your father and realize the old man should not be allowed to manage his own money anymore. This is the discovery the country has made about the party in power. They are inept. The checkbook needs to be taken away. They will rant, they will screech, they will wave their canes at you and call you all sorts of names, but you have to do what you have to do.

— Garrison Keillor 06/06

[JanS]

Wes…I grew up surrounded by the church, which was a half block away from my home. I sang in the choir, I helped the organist, I played piano in Sunday School, I taught Sunday School. I Had Youth group on Thursday nights, choir practice on Friday nights, dance at the church on Sat. night (hey we were a bit progressive – lol). I attended 2 service on Sunday mornings. All of my friends attended the same church as I did. We attended retreats on a regular basis…church camp in the summer for 2 weeks as teenagers paid for by the church. Religion , as far as all of that was concerned, was first and foremost in my life. I developed what I believe, or don’t believe, through that. I don’t want anyone assuming that I need to be talked to about beliefs/Jesus/God etc.etc….just as I would NEVER assume to talk to you because I feel that you might need the guidance in the right direction. I could quote bible around this woman who sat in my living room, and, yes, she said it just like that. One cannot tell from one’s outward appearance what is in one’s heart…one should never assume that another needs to be “enlightened”…it may already be in their being…and be very private to them only.

I’ve never felt the need to spout what I believe to the world…they have their own beliefs…

[Wes]

It’s late and I’m tired so the fire burns lower. =)

I hope that woman did not say it that way to you. I would have told you that Jesus said He was the only way to God. So anyone who makes that kind of statement, did the miraculous things He did, and spoke about a place of eternal torement as well as a place of eternal life, I think is worth seeing if He is right or wrong. Because if He is wrong then you might not have anything to worry about so go do whatever you want, but if He is right then we should see what He has to say about how to get to God and have eternal life.

This would be fair to ask right?

I can tell you what Jesus said and the claims He made and the things He has done and what He says are the consequences of what He says, good and bad, and love you to death no matter what, but if God is drawing you to Jesus, then investigate it and see if it’s true, for yourself, not what the crazy preacher man on TBN says, or on the WSB ;p,but what the Bible says. That seems fair and it does become your free will choice.

Cheers Jan!

[JanS]

Wes, I think we can definitely agree that we need to not take anything we read like this on it’s own basis. Yes, we need to research it ourselves, get what information we can, and then decide what we believe…..on either side…