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  • #586227
    Ken
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    Frank Schaeffer son of theologian and Presbyterian pastor Francis Schaeffer, was pivotal in the creation of the Religious Right

    Quotes below taken from a Rob Boston book review at:

    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/8/103830/9285

    (excerpt)

    Consider these choice quotes from Schaeffer’s recently published book,

    Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back:

    “What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not `conservatives’ at all, in the old sense of the world. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries.”

    —-

    “Pat Robertson…would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement.”


    “Dad could hardly have imagined how they would help facilitate the instantly corrupted power-crazy new generation of evangelical public figures like Ralph Reed, who took money from the casino industry while allegedly playing both sides against the middle in events related to the Abramoff Washington lobbyist scandal.”


    “Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They wereplastic,’ Dad said, and `power-hungry.'”


    “There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed – sort of – but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn’t figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else.”


    “Dad seemed lost in a depressed daze. He had recently been saying privately that the evangelical world was more or less being led by lunatics, psychopaths, and extremists, and agreeing with me that if `our side’ ever won, America would be in deep trouble.”


    #613604

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/30/12918/167/526/427649

    Well here is a story of recent evangelizing of active duty military.

    It is quite possible this is more of a convenient method of parting separating soldiers from their GI education benefits, than a takeover of the military, but the pressure at the Air Force academy is very real and has resulted in a decade of fundamentalist who believe the world is supposed to end in fire PDQ, having control of the largest nuclear arsenal ever assembled on the planet.

    Note this is posted at the Great Orange Satans site DailyKos…

    For more fun, read Bruce Wilson’s, How Fake American History Feeds Christian Nationalism

    http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155457/0298

    (excerpt)

    Step 1: Change Beliefs About Origins of US Government. Step Two: Theocracy !

    The easiest way to make the US into a Christian theocracy is to just re-write American history so that Americans grow up believing that the founders intended the US to be a Christian theocracy.

    The problem with ignoring this fake history is that it then gets enshrined as “legitimate” and if House Resolution 888 gets passed, a whole mess of the worst history lies of the American Christian right will get entered into the Congressional Record and then people who push the “Christian nation” alternate version of American history can point to the Congressional Record and say “see ? it’s in the Congressional Record ! It must be true !” That’s how PR and propaganda work.

    H. Res 888 is designed to make the history lies, cooked up by historical revisionists of the Christian right, more respectable. And, to the extent Congress members vote for it they become caught up in a web of complicity – the overwriting of American history.


    The church today has fallen prey to the heresy of democracy.

    — R.J. Rushdoony, The Institutes of Biblical Law (Nutley, NJ: Craig Press, 1973), p. 747.


    The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.

    Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.

    #613603

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Kayleigh
    Member

    It doesn’t bother me that Huckabee is a Christian, but I don’t like that he thinks the earth is 6,000 years old. I prefer a president who trusts science in matters like those.

    What REALLY bothers me is that Huckabee’s son tortured and killed a helpless stray dog, and Huckabee used his influence to keep his son out of trouble. Corrupt and vile.

    #613602

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    http://www.sbctakeover.com/TakeoverBook.pdf

    direct link to the pdf of the entire book. Might take a while to load on some connections. I just tested it.

    Maybe I will post some more info on the progress of the stealth takeover of the justice department and the military after dinner. :)

    #613783
    WSB
    Keymaster

    I am working on that but will probably take me till late tonight to finish it. I’d like to create a separate schools page, and hopefully will be able to create room for it with the tabs above. Anybody who sees this between now and say midnight, sending your link would be helpful, otherwise I will be pulling ’em all up off the web.

    #613558

    In reply to: Bamboo?

    Sure, let me see what kind they are first. Email me at the_vanmatres@msn.com and get me some contact info. Maybe I can have them out this weekend.

    Thanks,

    Todd

    #586226
    Julie
    Member

    It could be useful to parents who don’t know what all the options are to have a list of WS schools, including contact info or website links. Where would be a good place to put this, WSB?

    WSMom
    Participant

    January 22 at 7:00 pm Hope Lutheran School will host an Open House for all prospective families.

    My family has found Hope to be a wonderful school with dedicated teachers who go to amazing lengths to teach and care for our children. We have been very pleased with the quality of teachers and the administration. We would wholeheartedly recommend Hope to families looking for a smaller school environment where the child’s needs are the priority.

    As a mom who has been through school hell I have one piece of advice. I have found that there is a correlation between how much loving kindness my children have experienced at a school and how kindly I am treated by the school office administration. If the school secretary is warm and welcoming to me as a parent, that is a good sign that something right is happening at that school. Since trying to pick a school for our kids is rife with anxiety, confusion and indecision, this is as good an indicator as anything. There is no such thing as a perfect school, but Hope has exceeded my expectations and I am grateful to have stumbled upon it for my children.

    #613782

    In reply to: Cell Service

    Ken
    Participant

    Cingular AT&T merger created nearly overwhelming coverage in West Seattle. The original AT&T sites were first leased by cingular before the merger and filled in by Cingular in the months leading up to the merger. Cingular was much better at camouflage than AT&T so they got approved with few problems.

    That said, the model of phone it self is often the issue. Some have better reception and reach than others.

    There are also traffic issues around certain times due to so many people using them during morning and afternoon rush, sometimes you will get “network unavailable” errors along some of the commuter routes due to cell traffic overload.

    Those NIMBY’s who proudly fought cell towers in residential areas in the late 90’s can claim at least partial credit for some of the remaining dead or low signal spots.

    #613600

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    And a really scary Huck ad.

    It has it all. Fearmongering, historical revisionism, destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. A little something for everyone.

    #613598

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Ken
    Participant

    Wes. Do you know anything about the history of the Southern Baptist convention and the changes made to it when it was taken over by Dominionist and Reconstructionists in 1979-1980?

    Do you understand they forced out theologians and teachers that allowed any variations from the literal interpretation of the Bible, young earth creationism, and the paramount importance of the Old Testament and especially Leviticus?

    The Baptist used to vary greatly since one of the tenants of their faith was that God revealed his message to each minister and member through his or her own study of the Bible. This “free will” was a core value of the protestant reformation since it took power from the feudal catholic church’s authoritarian abuse.

    Here is a link to two of the better history and time-line pages.

    http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mbn/sbc_changes.htm

    http://www.mchorse.com/sbcchronology.htm

    Huckabee may not have been in on the takeover but he has continued to adhere to its message which will lead inevitably to a theocracy.

    Gimme a mainstream Christian of any denomination and you will hear nothing from me on their religion until they too start mixing church and state.

    #613597

    In reply to: Button pushing…

    Wes
    Member

    In reference to the Rolling Stones article, I wonder how one might feel if a report was done that we shouldn’t vote for Hillary becasue she is a woman, or Obama because he is african american? But this article has taken the task to make judgement calls and some pretty harsh words to go along with it against Huckabee and that he is a christian. Should not the criteria for our president be one who has a good political track record and seems to have the most reasonable policies and not what they believe or what gender and color?

    Andrea, what part of his right-wingedness do feel goes over your rational mind?

    And Jan what does it take to lead this country that those two do not posess?

    I am not trying to be snarky just wondering what my neighbors think.

    #613688
    Ken
    Participant

    Just a note from the 34th district meeting last night. A speaker for Hillary was greeted with 3 people applauding loudly followed by a room full of laughter by the other 100+ people in the room when the anemic smattering was recognized for what it signified.

    These are all people who will be out dorbelling for her in the rain if she is the nominee, but also the same people who are the most informed and attuned to the details and process of election year politics and the relative strengths and weakmnesses of primary candidates.


    We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

    — Carl Sagan

    #613661
    Ken
    Participant

    I have defended Ron Pauls consistency in other forums. It is his world view that is flawed.

    As far as those currently running for the Republican nomination, he is also the least hypocritical. Of course that bar is set by some world class hypocrites…

    I am happy to see Fox shut out and smear one of the candidates from the right, only because it was apparently required to break through the cognitive dissonance of Libertarians who had been strolling along unconcernedly on a steady diet of Fox propaganda and fear-mongering.

    Too bad the skepticism had to be kick-started in this manner but the Libertarians will probably emerge from this battle a little more relevant and focused.

    Democrats will applaud the return of the constitutional powers to the balanced powers of co-equal executive, congressional and judicial branches, but will fight the theocratic, militant paranoid and “privacy for me but not for thee” branches of the libertarian political movements.

    Hell, I might vote for him in the primary just to annoy the WA Republican party. The WA republicans are choosing half their delegates in the primary and the Dems are choosing all of theirs at the caucus. (note: Feb 9th, 1 pm at a school near you)

    #613781

    In reply to: Cell Service

    acemotel
    Participant

    I recently switched to ATT and I’m a happy camper. Reception is great everywhere, no dropped calls. The customer service is excellent. The sales person even gave me his private cell phone number to call in case we had trouble setting up one of our phones. He also worked to get us a special refund when the price of the phone dropped a few weeks after we bought it. I’m so happy to leave Verizon, where I had been a customer for years and years. One of my kids’ phones malfunctioned four months after he got it, and they were NO HELP at all. All those many years of faithful bill-paying were worth nothing. Of course, now that we’re all gone, they want us back, desperately.

    #613660
    jb
    Member

    Hey, honestly Ron Paul is the most trustworthy guy out there. You might not agree about all that he stands for but at least he is consistent (look at his voting record). If you supported Bush in the last election you can should be leary of anyone whom promises one thing……and then does another.

    Let’s end the one size fits all federal government….different regions of the U.S. should be run differntly as those regions represent different viewpoints/lifestyles. This what our founders wanted….That is what makes America great…..we can all live together promoting the message of freedom and individuality.

    Hey even if you don’t lik what Ron Paul has to say….at least let him say it!! (i.e. FOX news). The media should not control what or whom w ehear from!!!

    #613562

    In reply to: counselor request

    dirtdiva
    Participant

    Laura Tsang is really wonderful -www.lauratsang.com. She is located behind Safeway in the junction.

    #613780

    In reply to: Cell Service

    credmond
    Participant

    Cingular seems to have a good signal anywhere I’m at in West Seattle or other parts of town. It gets a little weird down in the valley between Gatewood Hill, and the highlands of Westwood to the north and Arbor Heights to the south, and by weird I mean two cell conversations, mine and another one I can hear. But that’s the only spot where Cingular/AT&T Wireless seems to have a problem and I attribute it to too many cell towers trying to cover the hills. I believe they’ve got repeaters all over West Seattle. Service is fine in Admiral, the Junction, Pigeon Point, Genesee, Delridge, Alki and Endolyne (a tough spot for some carriers) and elsewhere. I’d opt for the “no roaming charge” plan since that way you’re bound to get a carrier no matter where you are – that’s my plan and I think part of why I have such good “coverage.” Plus, Cingular/AT&T have rollover minutes – that’s a very handy thing if you only talk in batches and not continuously. YMMV.

    #613403

    In reply to: WS Rentals

    acemotel
    Participant

    There’s a house for rent on the east side of 35th, between Myrtle and Holly. Sorry, I did not get the phone number, just noticed the sign while driving by.

    #613779

    In reply to: Cell Service

    JayDee
    Participant

    While there is always that “dead zone” between the top of the hill and the bottom (right around “Alki Mail and Dispatch”), I have found Verizon to have the best customer service, and the best coverage in general. From my understanding Clearwire is only an Internet provider of slower-than-DSL speeds (Clearwire is a tad coy about actual upload speeds…)

    I do not know about your area–I’d quiz your neighbors if you are looking into it. There was/is an odd dead spot in Verizon coverage in the Alaska Junction if you hang there.

    While this sounds lukewarm, I’ve gotten better customer service from Verizon wireless than any comparable utility.

    #586222

    Topic: Cell Service

    in forum Open Discussion
    jayman
    Member

    My contract is up with Qwest and I’m looking for alternatives to cell service with good West Seattle cell reception. I’ve read the news on Clear Wire moving into WS, so they may be a choice. I’ve heard T-Mobile, Cingular and Virgin may be good? I live in the Admiral District and would like the same good coverage we have experienced with Qwest but with better Nationwide service and phone options.

    Please offer your cell coverage experiences in West Seattle.

    #613185

    In reply to: Plumber

    cjboffoli
    Participant

    I just had Paul Lewan from Stalwart Plumbing out yesterday to change out some fixtures for me in my new house. I have to echo the other recommendations here about him. He was a great guy. Pleasant, smart, efficient and reasonably priced. I’m already planning to have him do some more work for me.

    #613687
    Trick
    Participant

    I agree with Credmond on Obama.

    #2 Edwards (definitely being left out of the media discussion)

    #3 Clinton ( I don’t dislike her, I think she’s smart as a whip, I just think she’s following the centrist path and I personally think she’s too compromising)

    #613777
    WSB
    Keymaster

    we did have some roof recs in this thread from before RRRs moved to the forums:

    https://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=3781

    #613686
    WSB
    Keymaster

    I have just one thing to say:

    Glad about Tuesday night’s results mostly because they ran counter to the polls.

    My second-to-last boss in the TV business was a very wise man who decreed that we would not cover polls in our newscasts – the horse race was meaningless, he declared, just takes us away from the issues. As the political-coverage manager, I completely agreed with him, and despair as I listen to so much “conventional media” spend so much time on polls. But tonight it was sweet to know that the polls were wrong … because that might force some of my former “old media” colleagues to stop putting quite so much of the spotlight onto them. Talk about facts, talk about crowd sizes at rallies, talk about vote counts, but polls? Methodologies are fallible. Among other problems.

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