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  • #615708

    In reply to: My First Rave

    GenHillOne
    Participant

    Erik and Keith, me TOO! I thought “wow, Jan, way to get out there and find some new experiences!!!”

    #615341
    TheHouse
    Member

    This is a fantastic question (the orginal post) and I will give a nonpartisan answer.

    Charisma should be completely irrelavant when deciding a leader in my opinion.

    Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan all were positive leaders with great charisma that were able to engage their audiences and inspire people to bring about positive change.

    On the other hand, Adolph Hitler was one of the most charismatic speakers/leaders ever and was also able to engage their audiences and inspire people to bring about change….unfortunately negative change. History will also show that Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Pol Pott, Mao ZeDong and Che Guevara also had great charisma.

    So, charisma could possibly inspire a nation of equality or it could inspire a nation of genocide. At best you have a 50/50 success rate if you select a leader simply based on charisma.

    In the current race, Barak Obama clearly is the most charismatic speaker that is running and even I listen to him and think “Wow…he will change this great country”. The issue is that a great portion of our country stops right there and does not make an educated decision.

    No matter what side of the fence you are on, reading these will drop your IQ by 10 points but they’re funny nonetheless:

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080209220453AABsdO9

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214055108AA8ZIbt

    #586408
    JoB
    Participant

    I read with dismay that a man had been attacked by a dog in Lincoln park. However, it was only a matter of time.

    I have had several run-ins with unleashed dogs in Lincoln park while walking my shibas.

    I don’t know that any of those dogs would have attacked me.. but my dogs have been accosted while on leash by my side twice. (Needless to say, they were surprised by how ferocious those little critters are…and they quickly backed off).

    I am sure the man who had his german shepherd off leash didn’t expect the dog to attack… he is probably at home with his head in his hands wondering what he is going to do… at least, i hope so.

    I know the owners of the dogs who tangled with mine didn’t expect a dog fight… but i walk my dogs in constant fear of what will happen one time when one of those unleashed dogs doesn’t back off.

    And it isn’t just Lincoln park. I nearly missed an encounter with a pit bull, coon hound and some kind of spitz in Schmidt Park recently while their owners walked blithely down the trail with no idea where their dogs were.

    It is simply too easy for things outside your control to get out of hand before you notice what is happening unless your dogs are on a leash.

    Even the friendliest of animals can have a bad day or encounter something that frightens them and attack in defense.

    Leashes aren’t just the law, they are a good idea.

    #586407
    judybc
    Member

    Does anyone know of a ping pong table available to the public? We had to give ours up due to condo living and would love to find one somewhere in WS that we could access.

    Thanks.

    Judy

    #615449

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    erik.. thanks for pointing out to me how thoughtless i was… i should have sent him a valentine..

    anyone living under the smaller west seattle bridge with such colorful companions would surely have appreciated it.

    my fairy godmother ways have certainly deserted me. for shame:)

    #615447

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    Erik
    Participant

    ::me wonders if JoB and TheHouse didn’t exchange valentines?::

    #615424
    JoB
    Participant

    Did the metropolitan market turkey pie today. not bad. definately worth doing.

    will try shoofly next:) there was too much construction in front today.

    #586406
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I would like to know why people think it is okay to tell someone they need to eat a cheeseburger! If someone is thin, it is NOT ok to comment on it. I would never, in a million years, tell someone overweight that they should skip a meal! Sorry to vent, but I cannot believe some people!!

    #615441

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Wow, JoB. Impressive. What a lucky girl your daughter is that she has you for a mom. I really, really appreciate you taking the time to go into detail and answer my question.

    It’s funny because I’ve met John McCain. He used to live down the street from me in Phoenix. We shopped at the same grocery store.

    Anyways, thank you again for being honest about your support for your candidate. That’s exactly what I was looking for.

    #615702
    JanS
    Participant

    maybe the next little anti-freeze meeting should be at Bakery Nouveau…mmm…chocolate…:)

    November will come…the election will come…will we be happy? who knows. I will not worry over things that are in the future, that I can’t control anyway (except with my vote)…

    deep breath, Charla :)

    #586405
    JanS
    Participant

    This is to salute the wonderful people of West Seattle for making this the community that it is….and that includes the commenters on this blog. I have friends in other parts of the city who could give a damn what happens to someone 8,9,10 blocks away. It is definitely special living where we do, and wouldn’t be the same without all of you.

    #615440

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    i have met Hillary Clinton. Once a long time ago before she was anybody’s target. And again after she was first lady and a big target. and i have read her every speech and statement paper starting with her commencement speech. (ok, not every campaign speech.. she has done a lot f them lately) i even hung out in the bathroom with her once when she could still have relevant conversations in bathrooms with other women.

    I know this woman. I know how idealistic she was in her youth. I know how hard she worked to get things done. I know she was willing to be a first lady instead of a candidate if that was what it was going to take to get things accomplished. And i know she found out quickly enough that she couldn’t do it that way. It wasn’t enough to be in a supporting position with a man who considered her his partner.

    i know she has learned from her mistakes. The woman who idealistically tried to craft a compromise on health care has learned she needed to have ratified power to negotiate.

    I know she has had to work harder and be nicer… and that there are very few places she could actually let anyone see that she was the smartest person in the room.

    I know she is willing to work hard. And i know that she sees pattern in the details.. not just a idealized vision. I know that she can actually think on global terms… and still track details.

    I know that she has a proven track record on women’s issues.. not just abortion, but sex slavery, mutilation, home based business, childcare, etc…. And i know that she is willing to defy even her party to use an international platform to promote those issues.

    I know that she has a grasp of how much more cost efficient and productive it is to guarantee education and nutrition to American children and that she will find a way to pay for it.

    There are those who may say that i simply see me in her.. but it’s not true. i would have handed bill his walking papers when he cheated. And i wouldn’t have worked so hard for a party that showed me such disrespect.

    I also see how badly the Republican party has tried to paint her as bitchy, uncooperative, lieing, cheating, without principals, etc…

    why do you think they went so far in attacking a first lady? Who can you think of who was so thoroughly trashed as first lady? They don’t spend money and resources blindly. I think they had a plan.

    Hillary is and was seen early by the Republican party and their system as the first viable female candidate for President… and they have been doing everything they can to make sure we don’t think so.

    They have been doing a great job. Even those who admit that most of the “scandals” aren’t her fault cite them as a reason she isn’t a viable candidate.

    When Charla posted a link to a paper that pointed out the sexist manner that Hillary has been treated, not one man even mentioned the issue or commented in any way. It is easier to say that they don’t support Hillary because she is a bitch than to say they don’t support her because she is a woman.. and they use republican talking points to justify their hatred. The republicans did a great job.

    I sent the same link to my republican brother who said that the writer was a fanatic (a woman) and that although some of it was inappropriate, he didn’t see it as sexist. this is a man who calls me the smartest person he knows… doesn’t stop him from arguing with me or ignoring the obvious though:)

    Anyone the republicans hate that much should get our attention… Why is this woman such a target? What about her is so dangerous to their interests?

    And finally, i would vote for hillary because she is a woman. When i went back to work in my early 20s, i had to get a permission slip signed from the husband i was divorcing for making bill look faithful in order to get a good enough job at a local department store to support my children.

    I have a visceral memory of just what sexual discrimination looks like… and i wish i could say it is gone.

    My daughter who is working on her PhD in enegineering had to fight her professor every step of the way to be able to look at detail in her research project and follow the detail to trends… which she then tested for validity. it was not the established male path to research (choose a result and find data that supports it). she has very nearly quit her PhD because of it.

    She was recently commended by that same professor for her grasp of details and ability to identify trends that weren’t apparent… after her work was requested by an international symposium in china this may and another in japan next year. It will likely win huge awards for her and her professor.

    She does incredibly good work, but she had to fight every step of the way to be allowed to do it.

    I believe that any woman would be true change… a new way of looking at the problems we face.

    I believe that this woman is especially good at doing with policy what my daughter does with soil. I believe the results would speak for themselves.

    So that’s why.

    i know this is an incredibly personal post and an incredibly personal opinion… but you asked and i felt that after holding yours and kayleighs feet to the fire, you deserved as honest an answer from me as you gave.

    #586404

    A house across from us, near 21 ave sw and Roxbury is for rent. Would love to see someone good rent it. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/apa/572778967.html

    #615340
    JoB
    Participant

    Kayleigh, i am sorry you are having bad days at work. I wish we could do something for you there.

    thanks for writing. this new voice, sense of hope, spirit thing is what i am getting everywhere.

    If he is our candidate, i hope it works…

    he’s not too sure though. he and move-on.org are petitioning democrats to pressure their party to lock super delegates to their state’s primaries.

    Whether you think this is a good thing or a bad thing.. it doesn’t speak so much about his confidence.

    i think i will send hillary some money today:)

    #586403
    charlabob
    Participant

    Is anyone else even slightly worried that (1) there won’t be an election in November because it will be too dangerous to change regimes or (2) there will be a conveniently scheduled attack on the US sometime in, oh, mid-October. Just checking.

    I really don’t like the fact that nothing is UNimaginable…especially since I’ve never been a particularly imaginative person.

    “the charla half …”

    #615339
    Kayleigh
    Member

    Okay….and remember he’s not ‘my’ candidate; Edwards was my choice. Obama is my back-up choice.

    Obama is young and handsome and energetic. He offers a true break from the past, a step away from old school democrats like Hillary and even Bill and hopefully a leap away from the broken dreams they remind me of. He has none of Hillary’s baggage (some of which is not her fault, but it’s there nonetheless.) He has a way of appearing to hover above the nasty political fray and believes (rightly or wrongly) that he can draw people together.

    His voting record and online white papers (see his website) are progressive enough that I trust him to do his best to implement liberal policies.

    He touches the hearts of young people, some not so much younger than I, who have the energy and idealism to help carry America forward.

    The old Democrats’ ways have not gotten us very far in eight years; in fact, we’ve lost tremendous ground. It’s about more than policy and plans…it’s about a new voice and sense of hope.

    No matter how smart she is, no matter that she’s a woman, no matter how die-hard her supporters are, I don’t get a real sense of hope from Hillary that she can turn the country around. That’s just a feeling, like you said, subjective. Doesn’t make me right.

    I’m the first to say people should vote on policy and voting records and plans rather than personality–but I think many many Americans vote on personality. The thing is, what we see in others’ personality is something of a Rorscharch, isn’t it?

    We all see something different in Hillary, and in that sense, I think she sometimes gets a raw deal. She’s too hard for some, too soft for others, too protective of her family or not protective enough, etc.

    Sorry if I came across disrepectful—I continue to have bad days at work. Not good for my emotional welfare.

    #615439

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Job, are you asking me that or stating it? If it’s a statement, it’s untrue.

    I think the person for the big job (just like for any job), should be the best qualified, regardless of gender or race.

    McCain is pretty liberal and I have stated before that I’m not completely on board.

    I’m curious why people feel strongly about each candidate. I just pointed out that andrea seemed to suggest she was behind Hillary because of the simply fact that she is a woman.

    JoB, let me ask you, why Hillary? What is she going to do for you that has you so on board?

    #615438

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    WE WANT HILLARY BECAUSE SHE IS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB AND IT IS A BONUS THAT SHE HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN!

    i would say, oops, i shouted.. but i knew i was shouting.

    Wouldn’t it be amazing if being a woman was thought of to be an advantage instead of an obstacle to overcome.

    New resident, you want McCain just because he is a republican:)

    #614312

    In reply to: Seattle Anti-Freeze

    JoB
    Participant

    squareeyes.. you would be welcome. we had another attendee at the last one who was also a touch shy of the age bracket.

    heck.. you can be a mile shy of the age bracket in either direction and be welcome on saturday:)

    #614311

    In reply to: Seattle Anti-Freeze

    squareeyes
    Participant

    I am a touch shy of the 50/60 range so wasn’t reading that thread although I am old enough to be a sibling. Can I be the tagalong little sis? I wouldn’t mind brunch and a bloody mary so will plan to be at Christo’s at 1pm tomorrow (Sat).

    #615437

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    andrea, this kinda goes along with another thread, but I’m curious, why Hillary? From your post it seems you want her to be your candidate simply because she’s a woman. That can’t possible be your only justification. I am eager to find out what it is about each candidate that their supporters respond to.

    #615436

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    andrea
    Participant

    And here I thought I was the only Hillary fan left! I felt so alone at our caucus…Well, I think a woman in charge is what this country needs to get back on its feet. Clearly anything is better than what we’ve lived through these last 8 years, but the best bet for everyone I truly believe is for Hillary to be our candidate!

    #615434

    In reply to: Go Hillary

    JoB
    Participant

    LOL… Huindekmi…

    one thing i know about Hillary.. you won’t get rid of her that easily:)

    If she were a man, persisting in the face of virulent slanders and opposition would be called courage.

    #615418

    In reply to: Today Is Pajama Day!

    JoB
    Participant

    Bernicki and newresident…

    i have never worn pajama bottoms as pants! I am a nice respectable little old lady:)

    Now, i admit, i have left the front door to get the mail and i have entered my own back yard and i have occasionally answered the front door to solicitors in my flannel pajamas… but i am ill so i think that means bernicki would give me a pass:)

    And new resident, should i see any kids in pjs i promise to high five them… these days you can’t offer them a cookie:)

    and thanks for letting us know. if i had seen them without your information, i would have still been wondering what was with those kids:)

    #615338
    JoB
    Participant

    Wow.. look what happens when i go to lunch! I am really glad people are responding so positively to this thread. I am learning a lot.

    Ken.. i didn’t know Ted Sorenson was still alive but perhaps he hit the nail on the head with one word… “spirit”, especially when he spoke of instilling spirit of service in the young.

    Because that recalls those of us at the other end of the age spectrum of our youth:)

    Comparing Kennedy and Obama has become quite a sport… they were both young.. they were both great speakers… they both inspired the youth… they both were members of a minority… i buy all of that. But that Obama’s speech about the Iraq war after we had already engaged in it showed similar judgment to Kennedy’s handling of the Cuban missile Crisis… not so much.

    Kayleigh, just because i dispute objective evidence doesn’t mean i am not interested in subjective evidence.. what you think or feel.. not the rationalizations for feeling that way.

    This isn’t’ about having Obama or Clinton as our candidate. I am still hoping she will pull it off. It’s about my lack of understanding the appeal of Obama. It’s not Clinton good.. Obama bad. It’s about why Obama?

    I heard something on the radio while i was out that paraphrased was this: If we were choosing the best person for the job… it would be Clinton… but the best person to win and to inspire the nation is Obama.

    My idealistic and dreamy self says that had there not been Obama, Clinton may have been able to do both…

    but my more rational self says that had there not been Obama… we would probably be saying much the same things about Edwards.

    I still don’t understand why so many rational people have chosen to look at the similarities between Obama and Kennedy (the great Presidential icon of our age) and not the differences… but they have.

    And Ken, i will park my women’s lib self on the subject of the hatred of hillary and it’s base in fear:)… and the inconsistency i see there. Can we agree to disagree on that one ;-) or at least to call that one another thread for another time:)

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