Parking-lot pickleball? New possible site for adding local courts revealed by Seattle Parks @ Fauntleroy Community Association

(WSB photo – Nino Cantu Southwest Athletic Complex parking lot)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Seattle Parks has a new idea for where to add pickleball courts in West Seattle: The parking lot at Nino Cantu Southwest Athletic Complex.

That’s what Parks’ director of planning and development Andy Sheffer told the Fauntleroy Community Association last night.

It’s not a sure bet, though, as the parking lot is Seattle Public Schools property.

Before we get into those details – some backstory: Sheffer was invited to talk with FCA after the group’s previous meeting, last November (WSB coverage here), included a discussion with opponents of Parks’ plan to repurpose an old paved pad – once tennis courts, more recently a storage area for Parks maintenance – by setting up six pickleball courts. As FCA president Mike Dey explained in introducing Sheffer, they wanted to hear “the facts” about Parks’s plan, which first emerged in September, when Parks dropped a plan to add pickleball stripes to Solstice Park tennis courts, and drew intense opposition.

First Sheffer explained that the “next step” is a study on mitigating pickleball noise, a major point of concern for project opponents, contending the Lincoln Park courts would be disruptive both to wildlife and to people. He said this study – for which a “kickoff meeting” is imminent – involves the University of Washington Engineering Department, which is working on pickleball equipment that would reduce the noise by at least 50 percent. “Nobody ever really thought about the noise, but now that it’s a mainstream sport, they have to think about it.” (He noted later that pickleball noise concerns also include the “laughter and joy” expressed by players.) They’re also working with local wildlife/environmental advocates, he said, including Birds Connect Seattle.

But, he said then, “We are studying other sites concurrently … I’ve always had my eyes on the Southwest [Athletic Complex] parking lot.” Sheffer said he’s already had one meeting with the school district about the idea and has another one set up. He explained,, “What I’d like to see come out of that is to be able to build the same number of courts with the ability to park over [them] for the two or three big events a year.” He didn’t specify which events he was referring to; the NCSWAC is used for a variety of sports events throughout the year, plus high-school graduations, among other things, and its lot is adjacent to Parks-owned Southwest Teen Life Center and Pool.

Sheffer said they’re open to other sites but a major criteria is that a site would have to already be paved – they don’t want to pave anything that’s not; he said he’s been “scouring the city looking for impervious surfaces.” In West Seattle, he said, the Lincoln Park pad and NCSWAC parking lot “are really it” but he stressed that he’s hopeful the parking-lot idea “will go through and then we can look at other uses for Lincoln.”

If Lincoln Park remains the site, Sheffer was asked, what about its condition? One person in attendance said, “We have pictures of broken asphalt and treeroots coming up through it.” Sheffer replied, “We would patch the broken areas of asphalt and do another asphalt overlay and a top coat.” He added that the Lincoln Park site wasn’t identified for repurposing previously because Parks’ “old leadership” said it was needed as a maintenance facility, while “new leadership” decided the materials could be stored somewhere else.

Another question: What’s the rush for new pickleball courts? Sheffer replied, “We have a huge demand for pickleball … huge demand from West Seattle for sure.” So much so, he said, that existing sites are under pressure to expand – he noted, “There’s a big push to make Walt Hundley [Playfield, in High Point] more of a dedicated pickleball facility.”

What about a privately owned site, like Westwood Village, which has both a huge parking lot and two large empty indoorspaces? Sheffer said they could certainly consider that; FCA board member Marty Westerman said the suggestion had already been made to the shopping center’s owners, but they had yet to reply.

Sheffer returned multiple times to an acknowledgment of the concerns voiced previously by those opposing the Lincoln Park site (the FCA has yet to take a formal position) – “This is your park, we hear you loud and clear, you shouldn’t have to fight the city … I’ve heard a lot through this process.”

Other questions were aimed at eliciting more specifics about the study. Sheffer said it’s “kicking off” with a meeting tomorrow (Thursday, January 11th) and shouldn’t last longer than three months – “a lot of it is literature review,” he added, referring to what he said was “lots” of studies already done regarding pickleball noise.

He was asked about the best way to advocate, either for or against the pickleball project. At first Sheffer suggested people wait to see how the study turns out; later in the meeting, he suggested an online survey would be a possibility, maybe with questions such as “if noise could be reduced by 50 percent, would you be opposed?”

WHAT’S NEXT: Before leaving the meeting (which moved on to other non-Parks topics we’ll recap separately), Sheffer said his next steps would be the study, a survey, and review of other possible sites; he said the next conversation with SPS regarding Nino Cantu Southwest Athletic Complex was slated for the “third week in January.” (It should be noted that NCSWAC already has tennis courts dual-striped for pickleball, just west of the pool building.)

84 Replies to "Parking-lot pickleball? New possible site for adding local courts revealed by Seattle Parks @ Fauntleroy Community Association"

  • sadjohn January 10, 2024 (12:07 pm)

    What a sad retreat by Parks and a remarkable victory for a small extremely well connected, non diverse (in age or race), highly dedicated vocal group of activists with a false and misleading iPhone ‘petition.’ 

    Decibel meters show that the Lincoln Park Play area is already as loud or louder as pickleball. 

    • what? January 10, 2024 (12:35 pm)

      Ok what in the world do you mean by non-diverse and what makes the LP location better for diversity?  Very confusing.  I thought the original worry was that it was a non-diverse group that wanted it in LP in the first place?  I don’t understand what race has to do with PB.  

    • TammyK January 10, 2024 (12:45 pm)

      I think by small you meant large (10k petition signers) and by extremely well connected/non diverse you meant local community members who love and use the park regularly.  The only small group here is the group advocating for pickleball in Lincoln Park and the rich person funding it. 

      • Alki resident January 10, 2024 (1:24 pm)

        Who’s the “ rich person “ funding it? It’s funny how you say a “ small group” is advocating for pickleball. There’s over 5 million pickleball players in our country. Do you think we only have a handful of players here in Washington? Comedy

        • asusual January 10, 2024 (3:53 pm)

          ARC is funding the proposed pickleball in LP project and is supported by individual donors. https://westseattleblog.com/2023/10/followup-lincoln-park-pickleball-project-gets-promised-page/.  The majority of West Seattle residents that use Lincoln Park do NOT want the courts there – including those of us that play pickleball. We recognize that it is a an urban oasis for many that do not want to be inundated with sounds of 24 people whacking a ball. We care about our neighbors. 

          • Alki resident January 10, 2024 (4:30 pm)

            I’ve been going there since 1977, it is NOT an urban oasis nor are there any “ meadows”. The park used to be much louder back in the day with children playing little league and corporate picnics. You certainly aren’t speaking for me and many others when you say the “ majority “ using the park don’t want the court refurbished. And I will guarantee you that there weren’t 8-10,000 actual West Seattle residents slash LP users that actually signed that petition. 

          • StreamDreamer January 10, 2024 (4:45 pm)

            Amen!! Very hard to believe the noise decibel level is anywhere close to the same. No way the kids playing on the playground matches or exceeds the incessant thwacking sound of p-ballers and I’m sorry but the inherent peace and calm of those woodland trails must absolutely be protected. Btw, I’m a frequent pickleball player that has had trouble finding courts throughout WS and Burien. 

        • Eye roll January 11, 2024 (6:11 am)

          Alki Resident states that there are 5 million pickleball players in the US? That’s a incredibly weak argument, because there are 331.9 million people living in the US. That is not the majority you think it is. The 5 million pickleball players do not live in West Seattle. Lincoln Park is a beautiful urban oasis now. You keep mentioning that the courts were used 30-40 years ago. That’s a long time ago, things changed and the majority prefer it pickleball free.

      • Pam January 10, 2024 (3:11 pm)

        There’s no way to know if those 10k people live in or near WS. Most people signing seemed to not know where the courts were even planned, since they mentioned ruining a meadow and destroying trees. Neither of which are true. By non-diverse they’re referring to those that showed up to protest being mostly white women over the age of 40. 

        • yathink January 10, 2024 (3:57 pm)

          Ha! 10k white women over 40 who live in Illinois and southern France signed a petition to block pickleball from a park they’ve never heard of within one week. Love your sense of imagination! This so Trumpy! “Millions of fake news petitioners”.PS: Where is the opposing petition –  or group of at least 50 individuals in West Seattle that support and would actively use the courts?  Hint: It doesn’t exist.You would have to not be familiar with Lincoln Park to not understand why thousands vehemently disagree with Andy’s plan to install 6 pickleball courts in the heart of it. 

      • Marine Jim January 10, 2024 (9:15 pm)

        Tammy do you know who the rich person funder is? I’m curious about this backstory– how is this person connected to the City and has there been anything unethical? Something about this doesn’t sit right with me.

    • Actually Mike January 12, 2024 (12:28 pm)

      “What a sad retreat by Parks”. Not really, but: Welcome to Seattle anyway, Mr. Diaz.

  • Alki resident January 10, 2024 (12:26 pm)

    I love this idea. And to have two pickleball courts close by would be amazing as well in case one was full at the moment. Not to mention across from the schools so kids can go there after school and play. Win win

  • CarDriver January 10, 2024 (12:28 pm)

    Best of both worlds as players will be driving to the court so having the court right there makes it easy.

    • Reed January 10, 2024 (4:26 pm)

      Why the assumption that everyone will drive there?

  • Erik January 10, 2024 (12:33 pm)

    I could see Westwood being a good option. They have that big parking area in the back over by the old bed bath and beyond that nobody uses. Plenty of room there!

    • Mr J January 10, 2024 (1:24 pm)

      That’s private property. The owners would have spend the coin on it.

      • Erik January 10, 2024 (2:09 pm)

        Yes, I am aware of how private versus public property works…

  • Concerned January 10, 2024 (12:34 pm)

    Two or three big events?? This guy is insane that parking lot is packed for junior football,  HS football,  huge track meets every week in the spring,  graduation, Seattle Park events…. Have you seen the students at Sealth doing donuts in that lot all day and night long? So dumb….

    • Mr J January 10, 2024 (1:26 pm)

      Wait so we should utilize this space because it gets heavy use for a few months. WHAT?Donuts you say. Concert bollards is an easy solution.

      • JH January 10, 2024 (3:03 pm)

        I’m also skeptical that there would only be two or three events a year. Also, use by the HS isn’t just a couple of months (football in Fall, track in Spring…). Seems like the field is also used by other groups for events. That said, I live nearby and have a student at Sealth and certainly haven’t witnessed day and night donuts. I’m sure that happens now and then, but as another responder points out, there are solutions. My point: maybe this site is worth considering and hopefully that can happen through accurate assessment of possible complications. I’ve seen that lot pretty full on several occasions as well. But it doesn’t mean it couldn’t work. 

    • Ray January 10, 2024 (4:32 pm)

      Parks better study the effect the noise from these courts would have on students, or better yet limit any use to those hours when school is not in session. Our students and their futures are not worth risking.

  • doesntgetit January 10, 2024 (12:41 pm)

    Andy, who indicated that he doesn’t live in West Seattle and hasn’t ever played pickleball, said that the noise reduction for proposed Lincoln Park courts would require all players to voluntarily buy and use paddles designed to reduce noise.  Ha!  All players already have high performance paddles that cost over $100 and they will not likely invest in new ones. Here is a Reddit post about the only quiet paddles on the market; you can see how much players hate the idea already: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pickleball/comments/17y649h/usa_pickleball_announces_its_first_certified/.  I\.  

    • Jethro Marx January 10, 2024 (8:33 pm)

      What a strange sport, entirely played by people well-off and motivated enough to purchase an expensive sport paddle, yet completely settled on their current equipment and not looking to spend more on their hobby.

      The pickleball comments here are so ambiguously funny that the two sides blend in with each other and one cannot tell who is sincere and who is merely poking fun at a ridiculous situation.

      “All players already have high performance paddles that cost over $100 and they will not likely invest in new ones.”

  • TM January 10, 2024 (12:44 pm)

    Perfect spot for it!

  • Vlad January 10, 2024 (12:54 pm)

    It has been a useful exercise to look at alternatives, but my conclusion is that the original location at  the existing tennis courts at Solstice Park is clearly the right choice.  It is in an easily accessible location, is a ready to go solution, and also has the benefit of lighting.  The addition of acoustical blankets attached to the surrounding fence should significantly mitigate any sound issues.  I would also like to know what kind of machinations at Parks led to the change to Lincoln Park, the lack of a public process is unacceptable.

    • Alki resident January 10, 2024 (1:21 pm)

      Tennis players and pickleball players don’t want to share the court. It’s been said many times. 

      • Beanie January 10, 2024 (1:57 pm)

        Let’s be clear. Tennis players don’t want to share the court.

        • whattheheck January 10, 2024 (2:42 pm)

          I think that’s fine, but how is that a handful of tennis players can overturn the Solstice Park dual striping plan but thousands of Lincoln Park lovers are struggling to overturn the Lincoln Park pickleball court plan? Is it because the Supt of Parks, AP Diaz, is an avid tennis player?

          • k January 10, 2024 (3:43 pm)

            Because taking a maintenance storage area in a recreational area (park) and turning it into recreational space (pickleball) should not be controversial, but the supposed bird-lovers would rather see the space stay the same as it has for years (meaning machinery and associated fluids) than allow humans to recreate there.  The solstice park thing is a tennis vs. pickleball player issue.  Totally different than the human vs. industrial use conversation at Lincoln Park.

        • 937 January 11, 2024 (9:00 am)

          Let’s be DOUBLY clear. It is not THEIR court to share.

    • wscommuter January 10, 2024 (1:55 pm)

      No – Solstice Park was removed precisely because the tennis community wanted one – single – set of courts in W. Seattle where there is no pickle ball.  Every other tennis facility in West Seattle (Alki, Hundley, SW, Hiawatha …) has either converted partially or completely to pickle ball.  We wanted one set of courts preserved for tennis only, having had to share or lose all the other courts in W. Seattle.  Parks correctly recognized the basic equity in this.  No pickle ball at Solstice.  

      • Vlad January 10, 2024 (5:53 pm)

        This situation reminds me of when snowboards started appearing at ski slopes in the 1990’s.  In the early years many skiers were unhappy sharing the slopes and didn’t want to share the same snow with less elitist snowboarders.  Now there is no such issue, the two happily coexist.  I think that it time for tennis players to get used sharing their courts with less elitest pickleball players as well.  There is no reason that the two can’t coexist.  Imagine having a gym reserved for only volleyball or some other sport, that would be inconceivable.

        • WS Res January 10, 2024 (7:05 pm)

          It’s exactly the same rhetoric as skiers vs. snowboarders – I remember all that nonsense myself. And the same rhetoric that was thrown around when skate parks started being built.  “The noise!” “It’s not a real sport!” “Go somewhere else!” etc.

        • westseattlebob January 12, 2024 (8:11 am)

          100%!! This is the most relevant analogy that i’ve heard yet. Exactly right, co exist and move on. I remember it well. Clearly there is a need and listening to who will use the courts is paramount to what is actually a need for the sport. 

    • Susan January 10, 2024 (2:50 pm)

      Lighting at the old tennis court site in LP is highly doubtful. Andy made the point that it would require path lighting between courts and Fauntleroy Way, which would be prohibitively expensive. He is looking to work cooperatively with all sides, and he understands that lighting would be a no-go. 

    • Marine Jim January 10, 2024 (9:18 pm)

      Blankets and walls don’t work. Lots of research out there on how they fail–Google it.

    • CD January 22, 2024 (8:07 pm)

      Acoustical blankets?!?  That’s a new one. Did you invent that term? Those “accoustical blanket” are for the sole purpose of sight. Tennis players lose sight of the ball unless there is a solid, dark backdrop. But thanks for the laugh!

  • Z January 10, 2024 (1:20 pm)

    Small Kudos to Parks for trying. A hearty weaksauce thumbs down to the Pickleball NIMBYs. Our brand new WS soccer team has been trying hard to get into SAC: where’s the consideration of them and the other teams which use this space? Lincoln is available, ready and not in competition with myriad other groups. The park was built with these pads in place and has never been an issue.What, exactly, have the Lincoln Park NIMBYs proposed as a viable alternative? The noise argument is ridiculous given the density of cover and existing heavy use of Lincoln: any viable concern would have come up long ago with sanction of those in the know – this has never happened (at least since 2008). What’s to do with the wailing children at the wading pool? The dogs on the seashore? Feeding wildlife at will? It’s a Park – not a sanctuary and was intended as as much by the family that betrothed it to the city.If folks are truly concerned with the “natural sanctity” of Lincoln Park, they’d have asked for removal of those unused courts long ago and provide alternatives (beyond bellyaching). If the angle is truly on “wild”, “open” spaces, then where is the ask to enable as much?Shall Lincoln Park become an exclusive neighborhood enclave that Alki is turning into? I hope not.- Z

    • SelectFew January 10, 2024 (6:03 pm)

      Well said Z!

    • Josh January 10, 2024 (6:50 pm)

      Agreed

    • Marine Jim January 10, 2024 (9:10 pm)

      It’s not the job of people fighting against the courts to come up with an alternative solution. That’s the Parks job. And they’re not NIMBYS for Gods sake- we’re not talking about a homeless shelter or alcohol rehab place being put in the park. These folks are trying to protect the quiet environment of the upper park. You should go there sometime if you haven’t been recently. You’re really in the woods there. It’s quiet except for the distant sound of traffic. I’d really hate to see that spoiled by pickleball.

      • wellsaid January 11, 2024 (7:45 pm)

        Thank you, Marine Jim. 

  • Oh no January 10, 2024 (1:26 pm)

    🥱🥱😴

  • anonyme January 10, 2024 (1:37 pm)

    Either the parking lot or the Solstice Park location is a far better choice than Lincoln Park.  Naturally, this being Seattle, there’s always someone trying to turn this into a social justice issue.  Uh, nope.  TammyK nailed it.

  • Jay January 10, 2024 (2:12 pm)

    I love the concept of parking lots that sit empty 95% of the time having an alternate use.

    • wsEthicist January 10, 2024 (2:21 pm)

      Agreed; I didn’t get around to attending any meetings but from the start it seemed we have too much parking in West Seattle with some that could be converted. 

  • DRW January 10, 2024 (2:14 pm)

    Big picture. Indoor Pickleball Courts in the old Staples at Westwood!

    • HS January 10, 2024 (4:08 pm)

      That would be great! However, I imagine that the rent is about 20-30k/mo on that space.

    • Mwhitty January 10, 2024 (5:58 pm)

      What about Hiawatha tennis courts? They’re always empty, have lights, bathrooms, and ok parking. This shouldn’t be that hard..

      • JustSarah January 10, 2024 (6:52 pm)

        Ok, but we have a literally unused space at LP, and no PB courts in the SW quadrant of West Seattle. Why not site them there?

        • KM January 10, 2024 (10:07 pm)

          There are already pickleball courts at both High Point and Southwest community centers, so we’re already pretty well covered down on this end of WS.

  • flimflam January 10, 2024 (2:20 pm)

    Sounds like a great alternative, keep LP as it is. I actually never heard pickleball played before until about a week ago – it IS quite a distinct sound that would be quite annoying after a while.

  • Bloo January 10, 2024 (2:32 pm)

    If only pickleball was invented using racquetball racquets and balls, then everything could be different.

  • Jen January 10, 2024 (2:56 pm)

    It’s heartening to know our voices were heard and that Parks is showing the thoughtfulness appropriate to the project. Lincoln Park and its birds are not worth risking. We have something very special there, and it needs to be protected. The parking lot near the pool seems like a great option. I walk by often and it’s nearly empty the majority of the time. Thank you, Andy Sheffer and Parks. 

  • parent January 10, 2024 (3:02 pm)

    I wish parks moved as quickly and aggressively on replacing derelict playground equipment as they do on pickleball.

  • NoJoy January 10, 2024 (3:21 pm)

    Laughing and shrieks of joy have no place in our local wilderness sanctuary – Lincoln Park. We love inviting babies and toddlers into the wilderness, but the playgrounds and wading pool are incompatible with the character of the park. Parents must be responsible for keeping them quite or risk eviction.  Close those sports facilities encouraging rambunctious youths! And most importantly, NO pickleball! Lincoln Park is only for wildlife and responsible, polite folk who know how to respect nature.

    • Alki resident January 10, 2024 (3:43 pm)

      That’s hilarious, thanks for the laugh. 

  • HS January 10, 2024 (4:29 pm)

    I live near the area and the Southwest Athletic Complex parking lot would be a great location. The complex itself is a physical sound buffer to the west, to the north the street then the school parking lot provide over 150’ distance from potential courts for the high school, to the east and south are large athletic fields. The site already has lighting, is easily viewable from the street, has ADA access and offers “like” sport offerings: athletic fields, a baseball field, outdoor tennis courts, pool and a park with a kids play area. And quite possibly there may be access to restrooms available within the complex itself. I signed the petition against LP and attended the zoom meeting and think this location is a good choice for our WS community. In addition, the parking area is significant. It may be large enough for both the courts and a smaller parking lot. Also, it’s easily accessible by the 21, 22 and H (I believe) bus lines.

  • HS January 10, 2024 (4:39 pm)

    And about a 10 minute walk from the C line bus. So, that definitely increases accessibility for many people, teens & youth.

    • BP Writer January 10, 2024 (4:56 pm)

      Right? I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand all the benefits to converting space in Lincoln Park. It’s on a bus line, tons of people already walk to it, and kids can safely play on their own. I’m disappointed by this back-down by Parks. 

      • HS January 10, 2024 (8:13 pm)

        If you read my comments, they are about the Southwest Community Center location.

        • k January 11, 2024 (12:06 pm)

          I took your comment as sarcasm because of the distance, and also the fact that it’s up hill from either the C or the H line.  The Lincoln Park location is much easier to get to on foot/transit.

          • HS January 11, 2024 (4:38 pm)

            Not sure why you thought that. My comment clearly referenced legal requirements for distance between residential and public spaces in regards to sound, safety (lighting), current public use of adjacent areas, accessibility and ADA egress. The 21, 22 and C line are my normal routes and they are without hills. I walk here daily.  Perhaps you’re referencing the H line? I think there is a moderate incline from east to west but it’s only a few blocks. I walk to Lincoln Park all the time. And Lincoln Park is accessible by 1 bus route. The Southwest Community Center is accessible by 4 bus routes which serve a wider range of WS; therefore, this location is  more accessible to a wider demographic. 

  • Denise January 10, 2024 (4:39 pm)

    Today I walked through the park and I noticed so many people with big, happy smiles! I’m sure some people are disappointed, but many, many more are happy. It’s true, we have something special in this incredible park. Let’s keep it that way!

    • Donna January 11, 2024 (12:46 pm)

      What I’m disappointed about, Denise, is that a disinformation campaign was successful. The leaders of this campaign wrote a petition that conflated the serious environmental impacts of one project (the proposed dog park) with the lesser impacts of another (the court refurbishment).

      Thousands of well-meaning people were incited to sign the petition and contact public officials because they were led to believe that trees would be cut down and meadows paved over for the courts.

      None of that is true. But it worked. Public officials paid attention, and ultimately yielded to the pressure of a mob.

      Yes, the City should have been more transparent about its plans and engaged with the community sooner. And the impacts of the court refurbishment deserved a thorough review.

      But the anti-democratic tactics of the court opponents should give us all pause. Stoking fear, spreading disinformation and provoking violence should have no place in our civic debate.

      We have had some mighty successes protecting parks in West Seattle, from stopping the Go Ape Zipline to preserving Lowman Beach.

      This is the only campaign where police had to be called to protect city workers. That’s nothing to smile about, from where I sit.

      • Denise January 11, 2024 (5:30 pm)

        Donna, I have had enough of your baseless accusations. You have no evidence and no right to call anything I have said disinformation. You have no right to imply I had anything to do with any improper, inaccurate, or illegal activity. Just cut it out. I have bent over backward to be respectful in my comments, and to be professional in all my dealings with Parks and everyone else in this fiasco. I have a long track record—more than 13 years —of respectful and good relations with  the Parks Department in my nature advocacy work. I have never posted anything even remotely rude in any social media. Just stop. 

      • SE Dick January 11, 2024 (5:42 pm)

        I may someday extend again to you, <ahem> Donna, the invitation to public debate of all this, of which you disregarded the terms when I challenged you in October. What’s not ‘disappointing’ here, not even ‘disturbing’, but downright chilling and worse, is either 1) this freakish turning-on-their-heads of words, facts and charges, or 2) the fact that that’s already soaked down into the fabric of American discourse to this degree, a true trickle-down like the Reagan-esque lie never turned out to be. The comment by ‘yathink’ above nailed it like I could never clear my head to, tho I’ll never utter any version of the word: this whole thing’s so Dumpy it makes my skin crawl and makes me think crazy things. So keep it in mind, Dolla Donna: you and me, a stage, hard rules of logic, a moderator, and a sea of eyes–until either your or my entire ego-construct collapses and we crawl away disgraced. Same terms would apply tho. Nonsense? Start again, please. More the same? Lose a turn. Better that than this Park or country tho. So stay tuned. Same Bat place.

      • mygoodness January 11, 2024 (8:03 pm)

        What a bunch of holy roller, sanctimonious hogwash, Donna. I live here and speak to my neighbors regularly about this. They all understand the truth about the courts  and absolutely disagree with Parks unilateral decision to steamroll us with 6 courts right in the middle of Lincoln (apparently because SPR is lazy and wants to check an easy box that says, “SPR invested in more pickleball courts”). Accordingly, well informed, large numbers of West Seattle community members of have voiced their concern by writing letters, attending meetings, and yes, signing those petitions. You may call it a misinformed mob. I call it pretty darn informed and vibrant democracy. We weren’t all swayed by exaggerated arguments. We weren’t all facing off in with law enforcement in the Park.  We are thousands of kind, neighborly, critical thinkers that don’t want those 6 courts in Lincoln. Period.  Also, I  don’t know anyone that is in favor of the courts and would actually play on them. Just a handful of forum trolls like the ones here. The informed, thoughtful, peacefully-protesting majority is on the ‘no pickleball in Lincoln’ side. The steamrollers who are rudely ignoring the larger community are SPR and forum trolls that scream “NIMBY!” There’s your misinformed mob.

  • StreamDreamer January 10, 2024 (4:54 pm)

    Meant to say hasn’t had trouble finding courts to play in. 

  • sw January 10, 2024 (8:39 pm)

    What we need is something like this in the vacant Staples building: http://www.vollientertainment.com

    • Marine Jim January 10, 2024 (8:58 pm)

      YES! Pickleball belongs INSIDE! ( and yes, I play!)

      • Alki resident January 11, 2024 (10:30 am)

        Pickleball was created as an outdoor activity. I’m indoors enough of my life and it’s nice to be able to go to the park and play.

        • againwiththis January 11, 2024 (7:49 pm)

          Alki Resident – you have posted previously that you don’t play pickleball.  That is evident. Pickleball is much better to play indoors because it’s very easy to fall on slick or debris-covered surfaces. So, rain covered surfaces or surfaces covered with leaves and pine-needles are dangerous/unfun places to play. 

  • KM January 10, 2024 (10:05 pm)

    Such a fantastic idea to see parking lots become more useful and active spaces!

  • ACG January 11, 2024 (6:25 am)

    This is great. A flex space that can still retain parking capability for graduations and such. Plus, it is set away from homes where the noise would be an issue!  Prefer this space much more than the proposed Lincoln Park site.

    • West Seattle Nomad January 14, 2024 (12:54 pm)

      This would not be “set away from homes.” You can actually see the homes in the photo. What the Parks Department is likely well aware of is that residents of this part of WS have less power and time to make any protest if they don’t agree with this site. 

  • D-Mom January 11, 2024 (6:58 am)

    Yes!  I’ve been suggesting both the parking lot and the staples for a long time.  About time they look in that direction.  Though I’m a bit confused if there are already restriped courts next door. 

  • YIMBY j January 11, 2024 (9:07 am)

    As someone who almost daily walks my dogs past the athletic complex or in Lincoln Park, I can say that there is just as much wildlife in both areas. And all of this wildlife is completely adapted to living in urban areas – how else could they exist anywhere within city limits?? You think they live exclusively in that teeny tiny patch of woods in LP and never leave it? And you think they don’t hear the children screaming nearby, or venture into those areas?? I don’t play pickleball but love walking past folks playing it – they always seem to be laughing and having so much fun, and we could all use a bit of that nowadays.Seattle Parks: Put pickleball courts in both locations, and anywhere else you can find, and for gods’ sake let’s move on.

  • RB January 12, 2024 (5:52 am)

    Might want to consider converting upper Fauntleroy Church/Y parking lot into pickleball courts.  Add as a Y activity and it may draw.

  • DK January 12, 2024 (1:37 pm)

    I think it’s a great idea. For one thing, the place is large enough for more than a couple courts. There seems to be plenty a room where you can actually hold tournaments. I can imagine a West Seattle Pickleball Open.

  • What's really important? January 12, 2024 (10:36 pm)

    I think this whole pickleball conversation is absolutely, over the top ridiculous. There are so many other, more important issues that our community could be discussing. I cannot believe how many comments this topic has gotten over the past few months on the Blog. I wish people would be as involved and vocal in promoting the need for more education, mental health, etc. dollars…you know, things that people actually need.

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