FOLLOWUP: Lincoln Park pickleball plan draws opposition

A week and a half ago, we reported that Seattle Parks had changed its mind about adding pickleball stripes to three of the six tennis courts at Solstice Park. Instead, Parks said, it would create a pickleball-only area at nearby Lincoln Park.

So far that’s not going over well with either pickleball players or wildlife advocates.

First, we asked Parks for more information on the plan and the timing. Spokesperson Rachel Schulkin said the site would be the decommissioned ex-tennis courts in the upper park. “The Lincoln plan creates 6 dedicated courts at this location made from an asphalt overlay, with installation set to conclude at the end of Fall 2023. Next, we will evaluate the feasibility of lights at this location.”

West Seattle wildlife biologist/advocate Kersti Muul says she’s helping organize opposition, and explains:

I am requesting the city provide further information regarding the proposed pickleball courts in Lincoln Park. Including that which reflects poorly on the city; not informing the public or providing opportunity for public comment, and bending to a niche voice. This has resulted in another poor idea from the city as it further marginalizes park wildlife inhabitants and will severely impact how people and wildlife use and enjoy the park. I was consulted on, and have begun the process of opposition based on environmental, public, and mental health concerns.

Lincoln Park needs to remain as natural as possible. It already shares its greenspace with many picnic areas, playgrounds, sports fields, two pools, heavily traversed outer paths and quieter inner [unmaintained] paths and, unfortunately, lots of off-leash dogs. Pickleball courts are loud with sustained and repetitive noise. Saturday I measured decibels at the Highpoint courts and at times it was over 80. They are also bright. Light pollution is detrimental to wildlife as well as public health. I am providing (much like the dog park opposition, and lots of crossover) extensive ecological and biological knowledge as well as an intimate understanding of the complexities of species interactions within the park habitat, with humans, and with each other, and how this type of disruption will impact them. Basically, I am outlining why this is a bad idea. I am encouraging folks to reach out to the city via email, and guiding them on comments. There is a lot of opposition.

You can contact her at kersti.e.muul@gmail.com. Meantime, pickleball advocates/players aren’t thrilled either. They want the city to keep its original commitment of adding stripes to half the courts at Solstice Park. The Seattle Metro Pickleball Association has started an online petition, with this explanation, saying, among other things, it’s an efficient use of the courts:

… West Seattle pickleball players need lighted courts for the short winter days. We play outdoor year round. We squeegee rain, snow, and even hail to clear the courts to play. Tennis is not played at all when the courts are wet. The 6 to-be-resurfaced Solstice tennis courts with new LED lights will be mostly empty for months.

We can only guess what happened. The most likely scenario is that some tennis players were not happy to share three of their six courts with pickleball players and successfully convinced Seattle Parks to reverse course. … The Solstice courts are scheduled to be resurfaced and the work can start any day.

Transparency: Seattle Parks need to explain the decision process that led them to reverse their decision to paint pickleball court lines on three of the six Solstice Parks tennis courts, and to explain why pickleball players were not involved in this process.

Reversal: Seattle Parks need to follow through and deliver the 6 pickleball courts at Solstice Park.

The pickleball group says they had no notice that the city was even thinking about reversing a decision they say was made seven months ago. Their petition is here. The city’s announcement a week ago said that the idea of Lincoln Park had been floated in previous discussions of the city’s Outdoor Pickleball Study, though that ultimately called for a pickleball-only facility at Hiawatha (we don’t yet know how or whether the Lincoln Park plan will affect that).

141 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: Lincoln Park pickleball plan draws opposition"

  • JLC September 25, 2023 (9:39 pm)

    On its face, this also appears to be a pretty blatant violation of the Open Public Meetings Act by the City of Seattle…

  • Chrissy D September 25, 2023 (9:42 pm)

    In the words of Fran Lebowitz, Pretend it’s a City. Wild life inhabitants vs some pickle ball courts? It’s a big park. Wild life and humans can learn to cohabitate, give me a break with this nonsense. JC.

    • HS September 26, 2023 (11:08 am)

      Perhaps we should just return it back to the family that originally owned it? I mean, if we’re just going to completely disregard the longevity of the park… why should any of us have access to it? A some point, someone made the decision to turn this into a park so that the greenspace and natural swimming hole, now Coleman Pool,  would be preserved. Green spaces need wildlife and porous surfaces to be healthy. 

    • Also John September 26, 2023 (11:27 am)

      Unfortunately the wildlife continues to lose, bc of those with your mindset. We can not continue to develop and believe wildlife will simply learn to cohabitate with us.

    • WSLV September 26, 2023 (9:11 pm)

      You would do well to take 10 mins and educate yourself on what Kersti Muul has spent her life learning about and dedicated to. To be as dismissive as your comments indicate is a sad example of why billionaires are spending billions to get off this planet while many like you are willing to throw it away and take it for granted.

      • Chrissy D September 26, 2023 (10:48 pm)

        Let me set the record straight, I’m not saying pave the entire park over and build 100 pickleball courts, we have to strike a balance here. If the source of the problem is noise and wildlife interference, advocate to have the existing tennis courts removed completely, problem solved. 

        • Nope September 27, 2023 (7:31 am)

          Plenty of buildings already exist for pickle ball. No such option for wildlife – or people that don’t want to hear it!

    • WSLV September 26, 2023 (9:19 pm)

      A final sarcastic thought on your “it’s a city” quote…perhaps we should all give in to niche sports trends and just turn Lincoln Park and West Seattle into Belltown? Nature be damned. Let’s pave it all and light it up.

  • Sam September 25, 2023 (9:58 pm)

    Where are the decommissioned 6 tennis courts in the upper park?

    • 1994 September 25, 2023 (10:33 pm)

      I thought they are located west of the existing ball fields? Sort of  been used for bulk materials storage – wood chips, gravel…Pickle ball courts are bad for mental health concerns????  Per the above: “I was consulted on, and have begun the process of opposition based on environmental, public, and mental health concerns. 

      • Yes September 26, 2023 (12:49 am)

        noise pollution has an impact on people’s mental: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6301087/ if Lincoln park loses more areas where people can get a respite from noise, it will have a detriment on people’s mental health. things are related to one another; that shouldn’t be surprising even if you can’t make the connections yourself.

        • WW Resident September 26, 2023 (11:26 am)

          I don’t even know what to say. I can only imagine that there’s gonna be a bubble wrap shortage soon

        • WS Res September 26, 2023 (4:44 pm)

          Having just been to Lincoln Park for the first time on Sunday, to see the troll, I agree that noise needs to be carefully monitored and dealt with. I recommend hiring librarians to shush people, especially children, as their voices and activities detract from the mental health benefits of the sounds of the natural world. Hopefully Parks will look into that.

          • WSLV September 26, 2023 (9:45 pm)

            Ah, sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. Maybe spend more time up top in Lincoln Park. Take a walk on one of the many trails and imagine hearing the constant pong of pickleballs as you’re trying to immerse yourself in nature.  Perhaps then us who use the park daily would take your comments more seriously. Perhaps you will too. 

          • Yes September 26, 2023 (10:34 pm)

            80 db sustained can cause damage, but 🤷 guess actual measurement is to be considered less than reactionary takes

  • Kyle September 25, 2023 (10:01 pm)

    Honestly though, striping existing tennis courts for dual purpose with pickleball makes the most sense. Folks can then play pickleball or tennis leading to better utilization of the space. The only opposition I’ve heard is from grumpy tennis players about new competition for use of the courts. Perhaps they should join forces with the pickleballers to push for the building of new dual striped courts to create more options for both sports. 

    • Chris September 26, 2023 (7:08 am)

      I’m not grumpy, but the answer to pickleball is creating designated pickleball courts. Re striping every tennis court in the city isn’t the answer. How would basketball players feel if every court was striped for volleyball or every football field striped for soccer? Yes, it can work if absolutely needed, but these are different sports and each need designated courts. Give Pickleball players their own space. 

      • Kyle September 26, 2023 (9:26 am)

        Pretty much every high school gym in the country is striped for basketball and volleyball.  Most new football fields are striped for soccer too. High schools seem to be able to use the courts for both sports just fine. The only conflict would be if people tried to play both sports at the same time. Having to look at other lines or hear someone playing a different sport next to you are such small minor inconveniences compared to the benefit of opening up the space to more uses.

        • Erik September 26, 2023 (11:27 am)

          High school is a different situation than a park though. High schools schedule methodically to make sure their courts are used in the ways they need. Recreational public courts are first come first served if I remember right. Maybe the solution would be to require reserving courts prior to going to make sure people know what to expect. Or having separate courts for each that have lighting for evening hours.

      • K September 26, 2023 (9:33 am)

        Two of our professional sports teams share a field. I think tennis players can go over it.

      • Why September 26, 2023 (6:11 pm)

        I don’t mean this to sound snarky, but just as an actual observation. That sounds like an argument I would get from my tween. We should do it because people can’t share? Learn to live with compromise.

    • WS Res September 26, 2023 (8:25 am)

      But you see, tennis players would have to look at lines for other sports. Can’t you see how that would ruin the game for them? Having to look at something they don’t want to look at? 

      • LAH September 26, 2023 (9:24 am)

        I see what you did there WS RES and I approve.  

  • K September 25, 2023 (10:01 pm)

    We already have courts, let’s make them dual use rather than funding and building new ones. It seems ridiculously precious that tennis players can’t share. Sharing is a good way to get more out of our existing infrastructure. No new lights or disruptions for Lincoln Park, please.

  • Rhonda September 25, 2023 (10:29 pm)

    What a  H O R R I B L E  idea!!!! Leave Lincoln Park ALONE. It needs to be left as wild as possible. It’s already been over-run with too many sports fields, barbeques, tables, buildings, pool, lights, etc. Petition signed!

    • Rick September 27, 2023 (9:19 am)

      you. live. in. a. city. 

  • Olmsteder September 25, 2023 (10:37 pm)

    I don’t know who Kersti Mull is “consulting” for (about wildlife?), but as a life long user and lover of Lincoln Park, I still appreciate its many features that Kersti seems to imply are encroaching  the “greenspace.”   

    This wildlife centric view is a radical departure of what parks are now and have been forever, a place for all peoples to enjoy the outdoors with outdoor activities.  

    I grew up playing on those currently abandoned tennis courts, with lights at night.  
    I, and countless others, have wonderful memories of activities at Lincoln Park: school outings, barbecues, birthday parties, the gem  of Colman Pool, baseball, football, soccer, tennis, horseshoes, biking, exploring and the wonderful kids play areas.
    That second swimming pool is actually the shallow seasonal wading pool that I splashed in as a kid and took my daughter to every hot afternoon forty years later.  
    The abandoned tennis courts are far enough into the park to muffle the pickle ball racket.  
    One of the arguments for eliminating Seattle’s unique tennis courts on the Sound at Lowman was, that there were dedicated tennis courts at the Solstice.  
    The old Lincoln Park tennis court site would be a fair compromise by Seattle Parks. 

    • Yes September 26, 2023 (12:58 am)

      how is being more conscientious about how wildlife use the remaining greenspaces a radical departure from parks? you understand we have a national parks system in the U.S. that was primarily set up for preserving space for wildlife? cities aren’t devoid of wildlife, and considering how they use what limited space they have left is how we can actually become the proper stewards the colonizers that came before us only talked about being. how is anything you said a reason that pickle ball couldn’t be at Solstice?

    • Cat Girl September 26, 2023 (7:10 am)

      We need to be hyper conscious of how our behavior affects wildlife. I’m glad you have wonderful memories, but times have changed and behaviors need to change too. Lighted courts are terrible for wildlife and pickle ball is loud and disruptive. We aren’t the only species living on this planet or in this city. 

    • TM September 26, 2023 (9:57 am)

      We live in a city, with a population that has blown up in recent decades. One form of recreation that parks provide city dwellers is the ability to access and enjoy nature, including seeing wildlife from time to time. It’s an escape from our every-busier lives and a landscape that has become increasingly dense. This as a resource is a vital element of Lincoln Park for humans/city dwellers, to say nothing about the importance of the area as a natural habitat for a range of creatures that call it home.

      Just because we could fit more activities into the park doesn’t mean we should. The Seattle you grew up in had significantly less density, and more open space. I’ve only lived in Seattle 25 years but have witnessed significant change. I’ve always lived in the Fauntleroy neighborhood including a decade directly across the street from Lincoln Park. It’s more valuable than ever for our denizens as a place to relax with some nature, and as a home or resting place for wildlife passing through.

      Lowman’s recent “remodeling” has been really successful in my view. It’s easy on the eye, and more people can enjoy the space. I’m not anti-tennis (my kid plays, I played when I was young) or anti-sports at all, I just think we have a ton of those resources throughout the urban parts of the city- dropping more into the middle of a wooded park is not an imperative.

    • Bob September 26, 2023 (4:38 pm)

      Completely agree, Olmsteder. Anytime Lincoln Park is discussed, the bird gang comes out in full force while forgetting entirely that Lincoln Park is, has always been, and unless re-designated will continue to be a public park. Outside of the shoreline, is NOT a wildlife sanctuary, green space, zoo, or animal preserve. “I like watching birds though!” is a silly argument to try and disallow the population from enjoying the park.

      Let parks be parks. Washington state has some of the absolute best parks – both state and national – as well as abundant trails – that are pristine and untouched. Seattle, conversely, has wonderful parks with many activities for its residents. 

  • Marianna September 25, 2023 (10:47 pm)

    Speaking of pools — Colman Pool needs to be open longer. A measly ~6 weeks this summer was all we got from that old swimming hole and through this past Friday, ‘twas beautiful for a post-school/work swim most nights. Especially on the weekends. We all pay for a caretaker to live above the pool year round in the age of cameras and drones — why can’t we bubble it in the winter? Have a longer season? Expand the pool facilities on the north side?ALAS, me thinks the NIMFavPark rebuttals are henceforth!“with many picnic areas, playgrounds, sports fields, two (GASP!) pools, heavily traversed outer paths and quieter inner [unmaintained] paths and, unfortunately, lots of off-leash dogs”

    • John September 26, 2023 (1:40 am)

      It costs a lot of money to run the utilities in that building. Things like heating the pool, electricity, heat for the building, staff(beyond just the caretakers you mentioned you’re talking janitorial, lifeguards, front desk, swim instructors) It would definitely be nice if it was open more but I doubt that it would make enough to justify it

    • Jake September 26, 2023 (11:09 am)

      If you want to pay for it… sure. It costs way too much. They should just close it. Get a gym membership. 

  • IHeartBPP September 26, 2023 (12:28 am)

    Looks like it’s time resurrect the Stop GoApe Zipline Facebook page to stop this awful idea.  I strongly oppose paving over this incredibly sensitive wildlife refuge to accommodate a niche group and the noise and traffic they’ll bring.  There are already 47 pickleball courts in the greater Seattle area including several in West Seattle and Burien.   Time to rally the troops to tell Seattle Parks to leave Lincoln Park ALONE!

    • Jay September 26, 2023 (4:02 pm)

      Please name the several pickleball courts in West Seattle.

      • IHeartBPP September 27, 2023 (6:14 pm)

        Alki, Dellridge, High Point, Hiawatha all have pickle ball courts. Not to mention Burien & Georgetown.

        • Amy G October 3, 2023 (6:20 pm)

          Hiawatha does not have pickleball courts. Tennis only.

    • Sarah September 26, 2023 (4:08 pm)

      It is already paved. 

      • IHeartBPP September 27, 2023 (6:16 pm)

        I was there yesterday. The asphalt would need to completely re-serviced, and lights and facilities would be installed. That would be disruptive as would the ongoing use. Not to mention the items that are currently being stored there including mulch, equipment, and gravel would have to be relocated someplace else in the park.  

  • I September 26, 2023 (4:48 am)

    Dual use courts are a horrible idea. Stop displacing tennis players for this fad “sport”.

    • Niko September 26, 2023 (3:37 pm)

      Displacing?! Dramatic much?!

  • Abby September 26, 2023 (5:37 am)

    Light pollution is extremely bad for wildlife and really for people too.  Same with noise pollution. This is why we need more dark parks.  Makes more sense to just add the lines to an already existing court. Plus maybe they can move money around to up keep the other tennis courts like Riverview, South Park, and Georgetown.

  • D-Mom September 26, 2023 (6:06 am)

    Wow!  This is an even worse idea than the dog park. Who the hell is coming up with these ideas?  They sure don’t know Lincoln Park or what is special about it or they would never suggest such ideas. How about we just create a new park or utilize space over by SW Community Center. There’s that giant parking lot that sits empty most of the time. 

  • anonyme September 26, 2023 (6:45 am)

    I’m totally with Kersti.  Stay the heck out of Lincoln Park and stop trying to make it a sports venue.  We – humans and wildlife alike – desperately need a place of respite, a green and (relatively) quiet space without glaring lights and banging noises.  Pickleball is a relatively new fad; we do not need to be destroying green spaces to accommodate it.

  • flimflam September 26, 2023 (7:16 am)

    Ugh, nobody wants to hear the annoying sounds of a struck pickleball when they are walking in the park.

    • Jake September 26, 2023 (9:06 am)

      Could not agree more. Keep it out of Lincoln. 

  • Alki resident September 26, 2023 (7:33 am)

    I didn’t see Mull oppose the building of the Troll. It’s drawing hundreds of people to the park. I guess peewee baseball and Shakespeare in the park amongst many other activities including school field day, is exempt from bothering any wildlife. Funny how pickle ball will change everything. We pay for our parks and WE are asking for pickle ball be included in our park. 

    • KBear September 26, 2023 (12:54 pm)

      Alki Resident, that is a ridiculous comparison. The troll doesn’t make any noise or light pollution. Sure, it may attract a few more visitors, maybe “hundreds” over the course of several months. But its environmental impact is minimal. And yes, we all pay for our parks. That doesn’t mean we all get every amenity in every park. Lincoln Park is a precious large natural area, something rare in an urban environment. There are other parks better suited to pickleball. 

  • ITotallyAgreeWithYou September 26, 2023 (8:22 am)

    Olmsteder, for someone w/such a strong conviction about loving Lincoln Park, you seem surprisingly unaware of what comprises the “outdoors”. What did you explore, concrete? So weird you put greenspace in quotes-it is literally greenspace or perhaps you haven’t you noticed. The flora and the fauna are the wildlife that is Lincoln Park. They make that park you have so many fond memories of exist. You cannot have parks like Lincoln Park without being “wildlife centric” lol.

    • Steph September 26, 2023 (9:06 am)

      Thanks Kersti for leading this opposition! I get upset every time I go to Lincoln Park now. It is being so grossly neglected!The wonderful centuries old trees are being destroyed and neglected. My personal favorite is close to where this proposed court area is and I worry she is not going to survive the current abuse of constant damage to her limbs and bark, together with the water shortages.  Our grandchildren will unfortunately not get to experience the beauty of these magnificent specimens that would take centuries to replace.And yes, it goes along with the crazy way people today are cutting down and concreting over everything!  I’m very aware of the huge decline in songbirds and pollinators in the past few years. I used to have thousands of birds come to my little backyard forest, but no more.  Lucky to find a bee. We have a treasure at Lincoln Park and it needs to be preserved and protected.

  • dontski September 26, 2023 (8:36 am)

    I love pickleball. I love the quiet, natural beauty of Lincoln Park more. 

  • Actually Mike September 26, 2023 (8:39 am)

    Would the proposed courts at Lincoln Park be in lieu of the proposed off-leash dog area, or on top of that, or what? Lincoln Park is most valuable, and receives a lot of use, as a natural area–walking, running, bird-watching, picnicking, etc. Great cities recognize, value and preserve such areas within their borders. The lights and noise from a new courts area at Lincoln Park would irreparably damage this jewel of a park. Bad idea–don’t do it.

  • Regular Guy September 26, 2023 (9:23 am)

    Really depressing that someone would actually propose this.

  • April September 26, 2023 (9:57 am)

    Lincoln Park should remain as natural as possible! No Pickleball courts!!!!

  • snowskier September 26, 2023 (10:16 am)

    How did the idea to install pickleball courts plus potentially adding lights in the middle of a dark, wooded park get fast tracked to a 6 month timeframe while it’s taken over 6 years for a childrens playground, on an existing footprint without lighting, to be rebuilt?  Put some more stripes on the tennis courts, they’re there, already lit, by the road and have safe evening access.  Basketball and volleyball share courts with different striping.  Football, soccer and lacrosse share fields with different striping.  Racket sports can do the same.  

    • Tennis and pickleball player September 26, 2023 (10:52 am)

      Snowskier, with that reasoning, do you believe downhill, cross country and snowshoers should all use the same space?  They’re all snow sports.    The thing about football/soccer and basketball/volleyball is that those sports are not played on the courts/fields at the same time.  Other cities and states have managed to create independent pickleball space.  Seattle Parks and Recreation should be able to as well.  

      • snowskier September 26, 2023 (11:59 am)

        You ever been to Hyak?  Plenty of people skinning up the mountain while others are skiing down.  XC tracks in the middle with snowshoe on the side of the same trails.  Downhill, snowboard, tele, snowshoe, XC, snowbikes and even snowskates all using the same hill, enjoying the vibe and existing together.  XC is welcome to rip down Hyak face but it’s gonna suck if they don’t have a tele setup.

      • JS September 26, 2023 (12:07 pm)

        It sounds to my like you want the courts segregated all for yourself. Softball and baseball seem to live just fine with each other. You’re talking professional skiing, and we’re talking casual sports. But if you’d like to talk pro sports: The Sounders and Seahawks share the same field. The Kraken and Storm share an Arena. Huskies play Volleyball and Basketball on the same court. Olympic divers and swimmers share the same pool. I mean, I could keep going really. 

    • Olmsteder September 26, 2023 (11:22 am)

      Why inside the Lincoln Park?
      Because there were two tennis courts with lights for night play, a large athletic field, picnic area, wading pool and plumbed restrooms for the last century in the middle of this “dark wooded park.”  

      Those tennis courts are not located close to any old growth or exceptional trees roots and are currently used for storage of park gravel, sand, chips etc.   

      Perhaps you are mixing Lincoln Park up with nearby Fauntleroy Park or even Schmitz Preserve Park which are more as described by the “parks are for wildlife crowd.”  
      I’m happy with allowing multiple healthy outdoor activities in our developed parks.
      I also appreciate West Seattle’s  incredible public owned green spaces whose acreage  dwarfs the  developed multi interest parks like Lincoln and Hiawatha. 

      • snowskier September 26, 2023 (1:49 pm)

        Maybe I’ve missed all the lighting in the park at the sports fields but when I’ve been there, we left when we couldn’t see the balls because there aren’t any lights.  If we run in the evening we bring a headlight because the only lights are at the bathroom doors.  It is a dark wooded park, I’d love to keep it that way.  The well lit courts are across the street.

  • Chris W September 26, 2023 (10:23 am)

    No one got this upset when the horseshoe pits were installed. Just sayin’.

  • Lincoln Park Mom September 26, 2023 (10:44 am)

    There are tennis courts everywhere.  I’m not sure how many pickle ball courts there are in the area but I can tell you there is no public basketball courts in the area where youth can come together and play a game from all walks of life and west seattle school districts.  I’ve been cheering on basketball courts for years.  To no avail.  

  • Mike September 26, 2023 (10:59 am)

    Will they never stop with attempts to improve Lincoln Park? A few years ago it was a rope course. Now Off leash area, and pickleball courts. There is plenty of room at other parks/places for these things. Lincoln Park is already crowded and out of parking most weekends. People have to park int eh neighborhoods impacting the homeowners. Ferry traffic is impacted.It a jewel of the park system! Lets leave it be for what the founders intended! 

  • Denise September 26, 2023 (11:03 am)

    When will the Parks Department learn? SEATTLE  NEEDS NATURAL SPACES  for people and wildlife, for now and into the future. Especially the future. Lincoln Park has already been developed enough, and what remains natural should remain. No pickle ball,  no off-leash areas, no zip lines. We MUST preserve and protect places for people to enjoy nature, it’s so important for health and happiness in a crowded city. And we should preserve places for wildlife to simply live. This is important for all living beings. 

    • Diduread? September 26, 2023 (2:23 pm)

      It’s clearly states , if you read, that they are planning on taking preexisting tennis courts that have been shut down, and making them Pickleball courts. There is no natural spaces being impacted. They are using space that is ALREADY used. 

      • TM September 26, 2023 (3:56 pm)

        Yeah, it’s totally clear that it actually wouldn’t be a change at all. You wouldn’t even notice the difference! 

      • IHeartBPP September 26, 2023 (6:19 pm)

        I just came back from the proposed area in Lincoln Park. It will require substantial work to create half a dozen pickle ball courts as proposed including resurfacing, electrical, fencing, etc. As you noted, it’s currently being used for mulch and gravel storage. Where is that going to go?  That means more more cost and disruption. 

      • Denise September 28, 2023 (9:18 pm)

        The impact to people and wildlife from the noise and lights will reach far beyond the court itself. Yes, I read. I just assumed that was obvious. 

  • HS September 26, 2023 (11:18 am)

    Just signed the Pickleball petition to turn the tennis courts into multi-use courts. Please use the link if you haven’t signed – only 354 people have signed so far.  IMO If our professional sports leagues (stadiums) and school courts can do it – it can be done effectively. Also remember that the last downtown stadium was demolished, with money still owing, to create a dual use football and soccer stadium. 

  • Lincoln Park Mom September 26, 2023 (11:23 am)

    Furthermore, the wildlife that I’m concerned with are the jerks who party all night long, leave trash everywhere, play music, drink alcohol  and drive their cars onto the premises to blare their subwoofers.  this is worse than a simple game of pickle ball,.

  • Erik September 26, 2023 (11:50 am)

    For everyone that is blaming the “tennis players” (as some  sort of aggregate group of unrelated people)… note that the opinion of Kersti above says “we can only guess what happened”. Which means that you don’t actually know what happened, and the city has not given their reasons yet. So don’t jump to conclusions. It could be for different reasons than that. 

    Seems like she has a personal beef that has become newsworthy, but it doesn’t mean that she is correct, simply because she is angry at tennis players in general.

    • Why September 26, 2023 (6:52 pm)

      I don’t think you read the article properly. That comment was from the pickleball association. We can only guess that your eyes glazed over the section that reads “The Seattle Metro Pickleball Association has started an online petition, with this explanation, saying, among other things, it’s an efficient use of the courts

      • Erik September 27, 2023 (1:47 am)

        Ok, so it was the pickleball association that made the comment. Big whoop. Same sentiment. If you go back to the original article, they state that it was a funding issue originally but that funds had recently been reallocated. Meaning that the personal beef that the pickleball association has is likely not the case. ” In the department’s 2021-2022 Outdoor Pickleball plan, Lincoln Park had been considered for a dedicated pickleball site, but lacked sufficient funding, opening the dual-stripe proposal at Solstice. However, thanks to recent funding allocations, SPR can now create a dedicated pickleball court at Lincoln without alterations to the Solstice courts, which will allow opportunities for tennis and pickleball to occur at their respective sites.”

  • Gina September 26, 2023 (11:50 am)

    Paint pickleball lines on all the asphalt school playgrounds that are unused on weekends and during breaks. People set up their own nets.

  • JS September 26, 2023 (11:57 am)

    This is such a first world problem. It’s like toddlers arguing over their toys. It’s darn near hilarious how pickle ball striping has become so polarizing, yet a decomposing troll statue subject to vandalism gets an easy pass. Some people seem to be living so privileged and comfortable that they will find any small reason to create a battle.

    • Alki resident September 26, 2023 (12:22 pm)

      Pure comedy isn’t it? I’ve never seen so much arguing over adding fun things to a community as I have seen in West Seattle. I’m from here and when I travel to other states, they have tons of activities, dog parks, playgrounds, sports courts, skateparks etc. nicely built and it didn’t take years and red tape and arguing to build them like it is here. The skatepark kids wanted  by Beveridge Place who had a make shift thing going on got torn down and yet that lot is STILL empty because empty is much better for the city than making local kids happy and getting outside. I’m so grateful my kids are choosing to raise my grandkids outside of Seattle. 

    • TM September 26, 2023 (3:41 pm)

      Seems like a case of a troll not understanding the troll.

  • Jort September 26, 2023 (12:23 pm)

    I’m interested to see the peer-reviewed research illustrating the destructive and catastrophic effects of pickleball on urban wildlife populations, as compared to, oh, I don’t know, the massive body of deeply-researched literature demonstrating the actual destructive impacts of automobiles on ecosystems and health. Including noise! Cars are much noisier than pickleball! And they actually kill far more wildlife! Should we close Fauntleroy, too? Here, yet again, we see NIMBY efforts using the trappings of “environmental concerns” as a shield for their opinions. But, of course, “in this house, we believe…” so we’re not monsters, right? Just an FYI: I am always cautious of unelected, self-appointed representatives who claim to speak on behalf of our broader community. I’m sure Kersti Muul is a nice person and I thank her for all the cool wildlife tips, but she is not an elected representative and does not speak for me.  Can you imagine the civic meltdown that would happen if I claimed to be “consulting” with SDOT on their construction projects?

    • Denise September 26, 2023 (1:41 pm)

      You are being unfair. We should be thanking Kersti and others who spend their own time doing this hard work.  The fact is, it’s work that the Parks Department should do themselves, but they don’t. They seem to have little concern for the value of urban nature for people and wildlife.  

      • Jort September 26, 2023 (2:45 pm)

        The Parks department, bastion of efficiency and progress that it is, is not a wildlife management agency. It is not a nature conservation group. It is also not a private club in which the most-vocal community members with lots of free time on their hands determine its purpose. Seattle Parks is charged with making the best use for public park land for the city’s citizens. And it means BALANCING the various needs of the environment, people and wildlife. To say that the park’s exclusive responsibility is to preserve “nature” is a fundamental misreading of how city parks are meant to actually serve the public. And, the “public,” in this case, can and will have differing ideas on how that land can and should be used. For anyone to come in claiming that wildlife concerns take precedence over all other factors is ludicrous and self-serving. A walled garden, with use-types determined only from the narrow perspective of “wildlife and nature preservation” is one … but just one … of many options that a park can serve. I don’t care about the pickleball issue one way or the other. But to have special-interest individuals haughtily declare, as “consultants,” what is acceptable and unacceptable uses for our public parks is where I will strongly object.

        • WSLV September 28, 2023 (4:00 pm)

          Calm down, Jort.  I can see you’re trying to make a point but in the end, what you fail to realize is the framework of your argument is in conflict with, well, your own argument. Confronting and trying to deconstruct one of the perspectives of someone who is, in fact, very highly educated on the topic of wildlife and preservation should be taken into account.  Are you saying that that perspective, shared by the majority of commenters on this article is invalid?  Wouldn’t that stance create an imbalance?  On top of that, what you’re failing to realize is that just because the Parks Department is not a wildlife management agency” doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t consider what the future of the Parks Dept. can contribute to the preservation of this beautiful PNW that we call home…and not NYC or some other concrete jungle.  As far as I’m concerned, those who have the power to make a decision about something that affects both people and wildlife should be accountable to those people and wildlife regardless of what’s in their “current” job description.

    • TM September 26, 2023 (2:52 pm)

      So Jort, in this case, what is it that you stand for?

    • junctioneer September 26, 2023 (4:55 pm)

      I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Jort. Well put. Also side note, WSB acts like Kersti’s platform. That isn’t always a bad thing. But sometimes it gets awkward.

      • WSB September 26, 2023 (6:25 pm)

        95 percent of the time we hear from Kersti, it’s whale-sighting tips or other wildlife news such as the tern survey. She just happens to be organizing the opposition in this case. I found out and asked her if she would comment for this followup, which I was working on because it took a full week to get followup information from Parks. We also got word of the pickleball association’s petition and included their statement (saying they just want Parks to stick with the Solstice striping plan). To date, I have neither heard from nor found anyone organizing support for the Parks proposal (nor is there any indication yet that they’re reconsidering). – TR

    • Erik September 27, 2023 (1:59 am)

      Yea I absolutely hate to say it but Jort has a point. Lots of “environmentalists” with no actual education or training making a lot of claims that don’t have any science or research to back them up. I suppose that’s what happens when we choose to present opinion as fact. 

    • Jake September 27, 2023 (12:40 pm)

      I wish WSB would give Jort his own column. He writes and articulates very well and the exact sentiments I have with a lot of West Seattlites. 

      • Why September 27, 2023 (1:24 pm)

        Define “a lot” please.

  • Kindergarten country September 26, 2023 (2:19 pm)

    Note i do love animals too but this stuff has got to stop. We really can’t do anything anymore in this society. No matter what is done there is always someone to complain and say why we shouldn’t do this or that. Light pollution? Like come on. Do we need to put all the animals in bubbles so we don’t disturb them in anyway? Or should we all just stay in our houses so we don’t disturb them? Oh wait we could all tear down the houses and buildings and plant trees for all of the animals. That would make them all happy. We could get rid of electricity, No light pollution then. And no danger of animals getting killed by power lines that are only there for us humans and disrupt the animals and their little happy lives. 

    • TM September 26, 2023 (2:58 pm)

      Man the amount of freedom & liberty we have in the US is frankly over the top. But the amount of wisdom and long-term thinking is not. 

  • Sarah September 26, 2023 (3:05 pm)

    The space proposed for the courts is currently an asphalt dump practically adjacent to restrooms, a baseball field, and a playground. This proposal would be adding usable space to the park, not removing a haven for wildlife. I’m very much for most efforts to preserve our natural outdoor spaces, but this proposal doesn’t fit that category. Instead, I support improving a space that’s currently an unused eyesore.

    • TM September 26, 2023 (3:38 pm)

      Heck, there’s a ton of “unused” space in the park that we could “improve”. Why stop at lighted pickleball courts?

      • Sarah September 26, 2023 (4:07 pm)

        Again, the point is this is not a piece of the park wilderness by any stretch. Have you seen the space? I walk the upper forest trails almost daily and pass this space. It is a paved space holding old unused heavy equipment and random materials, bordered by big concrete blocks. 

        • Bob September 26, 2023 (4:44 pm)

          Sarah, there may very well be a family of opossums considering moving there after the school year ends. Let’s not take that away from them.

          • Sarah September 26, 2023 (9:48 pm)

            Bob, my tween son told me he’s seen “ants with tails like scorpions” in there, so the opossums will have snacks or competition.

        • TM September 26, 2023 (5:02 pm)

          Yes, I lived on Fauntleroy across the street from the park for a decade, and still live in the neighborhood. I know the space. I may be coming off as wiseass in some of my comments, but just trying to bring some balance. Sometimes it’s a good thing to draw things down, rather than to add. I’d love to see the specific area rehabilitated, but leaving it as-is isn’t the worst thing either. Adding pickleball would add a steady volume of people, noise (volume), and inevitably lights that would change the park’s nature, and it’s not necessary. There are a ton of other options city-wide (including across the street) for pickleball. There are not a ton of options for preserving a large natural park in our densely populated city.

        • TM September 26, 2023 (7:19 pm)

          Hi Sarah, yes I’m familiar with the spot. I lived on Fauntleroy across the street for 10 years and for 25 years have lived in the neighborhood, have done literally thousands of walks, picnics, kayaking, and other activities in Lincoln. I know that specific spot is not one of the natural highlights. But I do think sometimes there’s value in drawing things down, vs adding. It would be cool if they rehabilitated the space, or just left it as-is. Adding pickleball will introduce a year-round new volume of people, sound (volume), and inevitably lights which will literally change the nature of the park. It wouldn’t be hard to find areas in the city to add more pickleball capacity (for example directly across the street). It’s another matter to find or add more parks space. 

  • ConcernedCitizen12 September 26, 2023 (3:24 pm)

    This is a great time to bring up getting rid of the baseball diamonds. Those small children are bothering the birds with the ping of theirs bats. We could put down clover and let the park become an oasis for bees

    • Concerned Citizen 13 September 26, 2023 (4:38 pm)

      These are both fantastic ideas I would seriously get behind. 

    • Bob September 26, 2023 (4:43 pm)

      Amen. Let’s also stop future construction on the playground. And get rid of the pool, bbqs, and pathways. Have you heard kids? Those raptors will be spooked as heck.

    • Denise September 26, 2023 (6:03 pm)

      It’s not just about wildlife, it’s also about people. Most of the people using the park go there for the nature. For walks, or picnics, or other so-called “passive” uses. It’s what makes the park special. The quiet, the beauty, the opportunity to connect with wildness—it’s an incredible asset in an urban setting. It’s irreplaceable. And whatever little remnants of nature we have left in the city—and it’s not much—we should preserve. Lincoln Park has been developed enough. Keep the rest for people, and for wildlife.

      • TM September 26, 2023 (7:20 pm)

        Well put

      • Olmsteder September 26, 2023 (7:39 pm)

        “most of the people using the park go there for the nature”
        Care to provide any data to support such a wild claim?  

        • Denise September 26, 2023 (9:24 pm)

          There is plenty of data, for example Parks own Legacy Plans show that passive use is by far the most popular recreational mode for people in Seattle Parks. It’s so documented it’s common knowledge. And it’s been that way for quite a while.

        • Jeff October 2, 2023 (6:51 pm)

          Care to provide data that they don’t?  

  • junctioneer September 26, 2023 (4:49 pm)

    “marginalizes park wildlife inhabitants” — that truly deserves a Portlandia segment. I can’t imagine delivering that line with a straight face. 

  • Annabelle September 26, 2023 (6:27 pm)

    I sent an email to Seattle Parks urging them NOT to build courts in the park.  PKS_info@seattle.gov

  • Scarlett September 26, 2023 (7:13 pm)

    Maybe there are better places for p-ball.  Maybe.  But for the record,  Lincoln Park is not exactly a remaining chunk of pristine forest. It has been cultivated, modified and fussed over as much the vegetable garden in your backyard.   Morevoer, nature is quite resilient and adaptable.  There are countless examples of fauna thriving in the noisy human-wild interface, from the sharpies and peregrines zooming through your neighborhood, to coyotes, to beaver, to you name it.   I think environmentalism, in the last decades, has fallen victim to anthropormorphism and all of it’s silly conceits. 

    • Denise September 26, 2023 (9:33 pm)

      People need nature, too. And even if nature anywhere on earth is no longer pristine, people still need places where they can escape from urbanization. Spending time in quiet, healthy forest or beach or meadow or other natural environments is important for human health and happiness. We are extremely lucky to have places like Lincoln and it’s high time the city figured that out and stopped trying to develop it into ruin. 

    • TM September 26, 2023 (9:39 pm)

      Yeah, I guess you are right! Nature will always adapt, your examples prove it- and if it doesn’t we’re not going to hear from it anyway. Not our problem! Goofy “environmentalists”. You’d think they consider the natural world almost as meaningful as our human improvements and comforts, and somehow important to our survival as a species. It’s a limitless resource we are meant to use however and whenever we want. Right? 

      Hyperbole aside a lot of these comments are seriously depressing. It’s overtly clear the negative effects humans are having on nature, the same nature that unfortunately for us is critical to our sustainment as a species. The world isn’t going to be saved by keeping pickleball out of Lincoln Park, but holy cow how folks don’t get that this thinking is significant is hard for me to understand. I grew up in the woods, lived and worked in the mountains for years, and when we moved to Seattle 25 years ago chose West Seattle in part because of Lincoln Park and the more relaxed, natural (less urban) setting. So maybe my relationship with nature isn’t something that everyone has had in their lives, and as such sees a place like Lincoln Park as more of a commodity. I think it’s a precious place, and a rare place in the city to be able to recharge. We’re really lucky in WS to have it. We have endless creature comforts, facilities, sporting venues, and activities within minutes. That’s one of the benefits of living in a city. No one is getting put out if we don’t add pickleball (?!) with lights in Lincoln Park.

      • Clark September 26, 2023 (9:59 pm)

        I would be. So that’s one. Unless the tennis courts across the street can get resurfaced. They are terrible now. Re surface and re stripe and I’ll be OK without courts at Lincoln Park. Otherwise, let’s Pickle at the Park! 

      • junctioneer September 27, 2023 (7:59 am)

        TM, you provide a reasonably response, even if I don’t agree–I think the park is big enough to absorb it. But I appreciate your response. I think an argument along your lines (it makes Lincoln Park more “urban”) is way more compelling than trying to sound authoritative about what we “need” and that it is bad for animals (“marginizaling”??). If you don’t like it because it changes park vibes, then well that’s a way more reasonable argument than and just say it rather than some of the frustrating environmental posturing I’m seeing.

        • TM September 27, 2023 (10:00 am)

          Thanks Junctioneer, I appreciate your response as well. The dialogue here is a bit weedy and it would be near impossible to organize a position that works for everyone. And folks have different life experiences, priorities, and beliefs. That’s ok and the way it should be, and the US is meant to allow for diversity to coexist.

          I have a deep connection with nature, but I also drive a car daily, own a home, etc. It would be hard to be “environmentally radical” living in Seattle without being hypocritical. That said, the things that concern me here are 1) adding a layer of noise, lights and busy-ness to Lincoln Park in a way that is significant, and 2) the apparent fast-track nature of the Parks announcement. “Installation set to conclude end of fall 2023”- it’s imminent. “Next we will evaluate the feasibility of lights”- this most likely is already on the tracks if they have the confidence to include that.

          Wildlife aside, it’s a big and important benefit for city dwellers to have easy access to natural spaces. Solving for where to add pickleball capacity in WS or elsewhere in the city doesn’t seem like a stretch, at all. Meaning the Park isn’t the last resort here. 

          Pickleball looks kind of fun, and people seem to enjoy themselves doing it. That’s awesome. But it doesn’t need to be in the confines of a mostly-natural park. I know it’s not virgin old growth, but it’s what we’ve got. And it’s worth protecting the degree of peacefulness that it provides thousands of citizens on a daily basis.

          Again thanks for the response! I have always been glad to live in WS, nice to have some good discourse around this.

  • AnActualEnvironmentalist September 26, 2023 (8:58 pm)

    And here we have the performative environmentalism. I really hope folks like Muul and many of the commenters here get serious about the environment and animals. This isn’t it though.

    • Deinse September 27, 2023 (4:18 am)

      She is doing hard, mostly thankless work of trying to protect what she and many other people believe is a precious public natural park. We need more people like her, and fewer like the others here who simply complain about the work others do under the cover of anonymity. 

  • Keenan September 26, 2023 (10:05 pm)

    On one hand, pickle ball is loud and obnoxious and the people who play it are even more loud and obnoxious.  On the other hand, the commenters here so vehemently opposed to adding park stuff to a park are being ridiculously self-righteous.  I’m baffled why the average Joe Blow resident thinks their opinion should effect such granular details about how the city manages their park space. .  Everyone is an expert on parks and wildlife management all of a sudden?  This is why nothing gets built in this city..  Let the parks department worry about the parks.  The Seattle Process needs to die.

  • Alki Guy September 26, 2023 (11:18 pm)

    I’m an enthusiastic pickler, former tennis player, and committed environmentalist.  I think the noise and lights of new courts in the middle of the park are a much greater issue than wildlife concerns.  Why create so much more disturbance in a quiet place when the Solstice courts, like most tennis courts in West Seattle, are so underutilized.  The solstice location has few residences nearby, already has lights, and borders a busy road.  After so much study, process, and public commitment, I can’t understand why the plan was suddenly changed to a much worse alternative.  There are no dedicated pickleball courts anywhere in West Seattle, nowhere to play when it’s dark, and there’s a huge demand for more pickleball venues.  A better solution would be to convert three of the six tennis courts  to pickleball with semi-permanent nets.  There are a ton of tennis courts spread all around West Seattle that are rarely used, so why bring new disturbances to Lincoln Park when half of the Solstice courts could provide six or more lighted pickleball courts with very little downside impacts.

  • 10nisdude September 27, 2023 (5:59 am)

    The tennis courts at Solstice Park are called the Bob Boothe courts. They exist because Bob and another tennis player, Leon Harmon worked to get them built. If you go there you will find benches built and paid for tennis players in memory of them. You will also find the backboard repainted by a tennis player. Look further and you will find equipment provided by tennis players to roll the courts when wet. It is laughable that the pickle ball association claims how “they” play in all weather. I can tell you the group I play with there plays 365 days a year. The only thing that stops us is active rain or temperature below 29*. I’ve been part of this one tennis group for twenty years and I am a “newbie”. As to the comparison with multi striping on basketball courts it is apples and oranges. Line calls in tennis are a huge essential for the game. Adding lines makes what is already a challenging job much more difficult. If the pickle ball association wants courts so badly I suggest they find people like Bob Boothe and Leon Harmon to do the work of getting their own courts built. Leave ours alone. 

  • Arthur Ashe September 27, 2023 (11:50 am)

    I think West Seattle Tennis Players have sacrificed and compromised enough already.  We’ve lost the Lincoln Park courts, the Lowman Beach court, Walt Huntly Courts, and the SouthWest courts.Solstice is our last stand. The Solstice courts need to remain Tennis only. Build your pickleball courts in someone else’s backyard. How about the pocket park next to the bev?  Is there a tennis version of the Seattle Metro Pickleball Association? I believe there are way more tennis players than picklers.  We need to rise up and unite!

    • Bjorn Borg September 27, 2023 (12:04 pm)

      I agree. Don’t forget the Chief Sealth high school courts also got stiped for pickleball as did the Highline tennis courts. I’m afraid I’m going to walk outside one day and see my driveway striped for pickleball. A thoughtful pickleball only spot makes sense. So many are being built in old department stores. What a great idea! 

    • Why September 27, 2023 (1:33 pm)

      The usage of the word “sacrificed” in the context of people not being able to play outdoor tennis is grotesque to me. I understand that this is something you want very much, but it is really hard for me to view you as some kind of marginalized group in society.

    • Duwamesque September 27, 2023 (4:53 pm)

      Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the tennis bros???

  • Pete J. September 27, 2023 (4:45 pm)

    So, tennis players, pickle ballers, squirrels, virtue signalers, and nimby’s all vying for domination. Let the Battle of the Five Armies commence!

  • wakikigirl September 27, 2023 (5:09 pm)

    Just sayin’…every time we’ve driven by the tennis court it has been empty…why not compromise and share, some days (you all choose) it’ll be for tennis only and the other days it’ll be pickle only. I know what a concept…sharing, something we were taught when younger and hopefully still being taught.

  • Terremoto September 27, 2023 (5:43 pm)

    Lincoln Park is one of the last quiet areas, given the tree buffer from the street.  People go there to enjoy the tranquility. The quiet alone is a gift.       Yes, we live in a city but not every inch needs to be noisy with hi intensity lighting.  Alki is a very loud circus; so much busyness – not relaxing.      Why would you not stripe the Solstice tennis courts for pickleball?  There are also several other current pickleball options in W Seattle, as listed above.  Why forever change the remaining respite?         I do appreciate with the voraciously increasing high-density housing, West Seattle’s beauty + natural oasis will eventually be ruined. Perhaps later than sooner?

  • Since64 September 28, 2023 (12:41 pm)

    Response from PKS_Info@seattle.gov:Thanks for reaching out regarding the pickleball project at Lincoln Park.   As you are aware, we selected Lincoln Park as an alternative to the dual striping at Solstice Park after we heard from both tennis and pickleball players that separate courts were preferred, and we found an opportunity to make that happen.   Through work with a consultant and community engagement, Lincoln Park was considered as a potential location for dedicated courts in SPR’s
    2020-2021 Outdoor Pickleball Plan.  At that time, it was not included as one of the top candidates due to size, lack of funding and its current use as a grounds crew storage facility. However, since then, SPR received a grant enabling us to build these courts for community use and to relocate the maintenance storage site away from the Lincoln courts.  The pickleball courts will be developed on an existing concrete court that once served a tennis court within Lincoln Park. The court will consist of an asphalt overlay, and SPR may add a top coating down the line should funding allow. Additionally, we are evaluating if lighting is feasible or appropriate for this site.
     Additionally, we plan to move quickly to develop these courts, with the goal of the courts be open for play in late fall 2023.  This is an existing court, and the work is categorically exempt from SEPA requirements as maintenance of an existing facility.  A landscape architect has been assigned to the development Lincoln Park tennis courts, and they have reviewed the site and will be using best management practices to implement courts here.   We plan to offset bringing another active use to Lincoln Park by relocating the SPR grounds storage facility to the crew headquarter location. This will remove trucks, along with their emissions and traffic, driving in and out of this actively used part of Lincoln Park.  We are committed to communicating our plans for pickleball courts in Lincoln Park frequently. While there are no opportunities for public engagement, we can answer any questions you have and share any concerns you may have with Parks and Recreation leadership. In addition, we’ll install a project sign near the site to share project and contact information.    Thanks, Rachel

    • IHeartBPP September 28, 2023 (3:43 pm)

      So, basically this is just a big FU to everyone who opposes this construction from the Parks & Rec team.  @WSB, are you aware of any other opportunities to share our opposition?

      • WSB September 28, 2023 (3:51 pm)

        The ultimate Parks decisionmaker is superintendent AP Diaz, and he reports to the mayor. There’s the advisory Board of Park Commissioners. And of course there are two local community councils that have an interest in Lincoln Park, don’t know if anybody on any side has brought them into this – the Fauntleroy Community Association and Morgan Community Association.

      • TM September 28, 2023 (5:46 pm)

        This is nuts. I went to the parks & rec website, where they have a dedicated pickleball planning pageand Lincoln Park is not listed for the fall plans (it is embedded in the 2021-2022 35 page report, but was not selected to be forwarded).

        Now it’s been quietly moved to the front of the line, and is already underway? Shame on whoever is driving this, in this manner. Seriously out of touch with our neighborhood, and seriously in cahoots with this pickleball group. I’m furious.

        WSB, would you consider adding an update piece on this to today/tomorrow’s storyline? I am imagining that most folks would expect that this would be getting more daylight, versus what appears to be happening.

  • Jeannie October 1, 2023 (1:07 am)

    I – along with many other Seattleites – wonder why Parks and Recreation is trying to plow ahead with the pickleball plan without notifying the public. There should have been a chance for public comment. We are the voters, the taxpayers, and we give a damn about the place we call home.In a city almost constantly under development and increasingly noisy and congested, we need to preserve our precious, family-friendly parks. In Lincoln Park, we can relax in a beautiful, green, and quiet setting where people of all ages and income levels are welcome and wildlife can thrive. I walk the upper and lower trails at least five times a week, and it’s such a joy to listen to the birds, enjoy the gorgeous scenery, and feel a fellowship with the diversity of visitors. Here are the problems with locating a pickleball court in Lincoln Park: It’s a LOUD game – noise, of course, doesn’t have strict perimeters. The noise would be disruptive significantly beyond the court. At 70 to 80 decibels at 100 feet from the court, pickleball is twice the noise of tennis. And if the court is lighted, the impact will be even worse. Noise and light pollution are unhealthy for both the public and wildlife. Moreover, there are already places where people can play pickleball. And I strongly suspect visitors to Lincoln Park would prefer to keep it as natural as possible – a place for family strolls, birding, forest exploration, running, and simply enjoying the panoramic views. The marvelous new troll here, along with others throughout the area, is carrying a message to respect and appreciate our environment. We’re supposed to be the Emerald City, a progressive place that values its green places and nature. 

  • Lina October 1, 2023 (9:09 pm)

    I have a plan to help us all decide. For the next two weeks, I will sit patiently at Lincoln Park with a speaker broadcasting the sounds of pickleball at 70db to be playing between the hours of 7am and 9pm, the typical active court hours. Additionally, I will audibly exclaim YEAHHHHHH and OH YEAHHHHH, with some occasional screaming NOOOOOOOO for authenticity. After a test period, we can decide together as a community if we totally LOVE the vibe before committing a huge amount of resources to build a suitable pickleball space, which was already promised at Solstice Park. I think this is probably the only way to be sure if we’re taking the right steps here as a neighborhood. If anyone can provide some lighting bright enough to mimic the athletic lighting, I think this would add to the authenticity of the simulation. Anyone want to take a scream shift with me? 

    • Monica October 2, 2023 (12:38 pm)

      Love that idea Lina, count me in on the screaming. How about the echo factor?Imagine the sound as you enter the park when you need to spend time in nature.Parks need to spend the $ on removal of the old tennis pad and rebuild the crumbling rocks along the North shore, trim shrubs around picnic areas, repair broken fences and plant new trees in the steep bluff area. Sad that parks is misdirected on this bad idea. Ive been a visitor 30+ years!! Zip line, dog park now this? 

      • HW October 3, 2023 (2:09 pm)

        I think you are all overestimating the sounds of pickleball. The ball is basically air. there are no crowds. It will be quieter than the playground where my children and their friends giggle and shriek wildly.

        • Sarah October 3, 2023 (2:57 pm)

          Agreed. I did a few decibel readings while in the park today and got 60-80 just from ambient noises… people walking by chatting, my feet crunching on gravel, a parks truck driving by. I honestly don’t care either way, but am annoyed by the NIMBY response veiled by “environmentalism.”

    • Monica October 2, 2023 (12:44 pm)

      I’ll join you Lina. This Parks idea is nuts!Monica

  • Sarah October 2, 2023 (11:02 am)

    On my walk through Lincoln Park this morning, I found and removed five signs protesting the pickleball courts taped to trees along trails. Tons of plastic packing tape used to tack these up in the name of preserving nature. They were already falling off from the bit of moisture in the air; what a nice addition those strips of plastic would make to the park’s natural beauty, right? 

    • Sarah October 3, 2023 (12:16 pm)

      On today’s walk, there were more fliers posted! I continue to remove the litter from trees. This time, there was even more plastic because the new flowers were in plastic page protectors. Horrifically, one was actually stapled to a tree! I was so grossed out by this I pulled the flier before getting a pic, but did get one of the fresh staple:Interesting side note: only one of the two notice boards along the Fauntleroy park entrances had the fliers posted. These are where respectful park patrons pin notices.
      This makes the choice to plaster trees even more offensive.Most of the fliers are not posted near the actual proposed usage area. Instead, they’re posted to old, majestic trees in the quiet, forested paths a significant distance from where the courts would be. This seems like a deliberate choice to mislead people. As a reminder, this is the proposed site, adjacent to the north sports field and just south of the north restrooms, playground, and shelters:

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