38 Replies to "Save Fauntleroy Cove Park group leaps into lull for ferry-dock project"

• Bey and Jay July 19, 2022 (7:38 am)

  Thank you Save Cove Park folks. This is a special place, important for salmon, many birds, other wildlife, and for people to enjoy.  From my perspective, the ferry dock and service here should not be expanded in a way that impacts the natural environment.  In fact, would rather see an effort to reduce car ferrying here, and perhaps a switch to more passenger/taxi service instead, improved bus/shuttle service, and diverting some car ferries to downtown.

  • Jim July 19, 2022 (1:29 pm)

    The solution is a second slip like Vashon. 

• LittleLord July 19, 2022 (9:28 am)

  Oops, Read the manifesto of NIMBYism.   Renaming of Cove Park to “Children’s (Cove) Park”. and (falsely) claiming Fauntleroy Creek emerges North of  the Pier is quite remarkable for these hyper locals protecting their skyrocketing waterfront home values.  Of course this group pointedly only mentions expansion North of the dock, seemingly throwing their South of the pier co-horts under the bus, er ferry.   It must be noted how long the ferry has been in Fauntleroy and its impacts well known before people chose to purchase their dream waterfront homes.It would be helpful if opposition to change/expansion is supported by viable alternatives that address the community as a whole, that catchphrase of “stakeholders” certainly includes those who depend on the State Ferry System  like most us rely on our bridges and state highways. 

  • Jay July 19, 2022 (10:51 am)

    100%. And they’re right next to an absolutely enormous beachfront park with several more down the road. Seems like a cynical move to hinder traffic or put a construction zone in someone else’s backyard. Renaming the park is extremely cynical.

  • John July 19, 2022 (1:30 pm)

    It’s DOES emerge north of the dock! It curves around underneath and comes out the other side and into the water. At one point it went straight out on the south side and then its direction was corrected.

  • VBD July 19, 2022 (2:30 pm)

    @ LITTLELORD, you are wrong on many counts.  Most of us who value the Cove do not live on the waterfront; those people who do already have a beach.  We go there from our homes up the street to enjoy a unique slice of shoreline.  One attraction is the outflow Fauntleroy creek, which, in fact, does meet the Sound north of the dock (go take a look for yourself).  Another great thing is that leashed dogs are allowed down there, something that is rare around here.  But where you are mostly off is in your NIMBY claim.  I would LOVE to see the dock expanded and improved, and clearly understand that compromises and sacrifices must be made.   I’m in favor of lengthening the dock, or maybe widening it off shore.    Fauntleroy Way is too narrow to add more dedicated ferry lanes, so having a wider entrance doesn’t help a lot.  A larger car holding area or a second slip could help.   And in the end, I would like to see if it’s possible to preserve Cove Park when the eventual expansion is constructed.

  • KB July 19, 2022 (2:31 pm)

    As an outside observer – I’m neither a ferry rider nor a waterfront homeowner nor even a resident of the Fauntleroy community – I think the neighborhood has every right to voice their concerns about transitory traffic, environmental impacts, loss of public land, etc.  The ferry terminal may predate many of the homes, but the ferry also wasn’t serving millions of drivers then.  There’s a valid debate to be had about balancing the needs of the local community with the needs of commuters, but I think it’s disingenuous to completely discount neighbors’ concerns about something that directly impacts them as NIMBYism.  I wish we had more community members willing to be engaged in community advocacy and local civics.

    • s July 19, 2022 (3:22 pm)

      These waterfront homeowners live in houses built on the beach for the few people in their household, but are outraged that WSF wants to build something on the beach so that thousands of people can better use public ferry transit. Come on now. It’s the height of hypocrisy and entitlement.

      • Fauntleroy Fairy July 19, 2022 (4:57 pm)

        The fight is not coming only from waterfront home owners. The traffic alone from an expansion of this magnitude will impact every single one of us that lives in the Fauntleroy area. You wanting all of us to deal with more of that than we already do so that you can ride the ferry means you are the one full of entitlement, not us.

    • LittleLord July 19, 2022 (8:04 pm)

      We are indeed doomed by our lack of historical perspective.  
      We made the mistake of listening to the local proto-NIMBYs of that era and rejected a bridge to Vashon because it would disrupt the neighborhoods.  
      All that remains is a bit of Puget Blvd.  

      And to my recollection back to the late 1950s, the Fauntleroy Creek daylighted and flowed out South of the pier.  

      • Ivan Weiss July 19, 2022 (8:27 pm)

        @ Littlelord: Sorry, but this business of “local proto-NIMBYs”  is ridiculous. The bridge to Vashon was killed deader than a doornail by the Port of Tacoma and the Coast Guard, who cited the danger to shipping it would have caused.

      • VBD July 19, 2022 (9:15 pm)

        @ LITTLELORD, once again, you have it wrong.  If you knew anything about local history, you’d know that it was Vashon Island residents that opposed the bridge, not so much the Seattle side.  And once again, this is not a NIMBY issue, it is one of balance of the needs of transportation and quality of life.   We Fauntleroy residents know quite well the challenges that come with our choice of where to live.  We pay extra to park on the street, and we deal with daily traffic jams.  It’s nothing new, and we accept it.  But we also would like to preserve at least some of what makes this neighborhood livable. 

        • LittleLord July 20, 2022 (2:07 pm)

          VBD,Regarding the bridge, the Vashon residents’ opposition is NIMBY.   There was opposition on both sides of the Sound.  
          Regarding choice of Fauntleroy, it is remarkable to bring up the subject of  “paying”  for parking permits.  As you must know, the streets of Fauntleroy are virtually free of parked cars due to NIMBY opposition to people from Vashon and Southworth parking in Fauntleroy.  Many residents are so frugal they forgo the permits.
          Decades ago they lobbied Seattle successfully to eliminate overnight street parking for non residents without permits.  
          Fauntleroy’s success, ironically, added to the ferry car traffic, as those who formerly parked their cars in Seattle, now had to drive onto the ferry.  
          This added hundreds of cars to the ferry line.
          I have yet to see any viable solutions offered by the “Children’s” Cove Group.

        • Littlelordisweird July 20, 2022 (4:31 pm)

          Little Lord, most arrogant and precarious of names, are you a troll? Do you not understand that WSDOT has four proposals currently under evaluation, and those who are advocating for Cove Park’s preservation are advocating for one of three other viable options. Three. If you don’t know something, that’s normal. To be so outwardly outspoken, aggressive, and misinformed is… well, trolling, conservative, narcissistic nonsense. 

        • LittleLord July 21, 2022 (2:49 pm)

          LITTLELORDISWEIRD,
          Sure I may be weird a “troll” and outwardly outspoken, but please explain where I am “misinformed” or factually wrong.  
          I suspect many responding here have not actually read the outrageous claims of the “Children’s Cove Park” activists.  
          As someone besides me pointed out, it is cringeworthy.
          Anecdotally, yesterday after reading so many posts about this childrens’ park I walked from the new Lowman Beach to the ferry dock.  Children and adults were out in numbers at Lowman and Lincoln, but just a lone dog scofflaw swimming their dog at childrens.

          Like few others responding, I was born and raised within 3 blocks of the then new ferry dock.  I remember when the raw sewage sewer pipes emptied where people now claim the Fauntleroy Creek flows into the cove.  We used to keep our sailboats chained to the dock.  I taught sailing for the Fauntleroy YMCA  on both sides of the pier,  the south accessed through the Leckenby’s steel house just south the pier.  
          I’ve been using the Fauntleroy ferry for 60 years, hundreds of trips, and have watched the continual decline in service.  
          I remember before Southworth dock, there was the ferry dock at Harper.  
          Now I see yard signs for people of the burgeoning Kitsap county opposing the “Industrialization of the Harper Pier.”  The State Ferry system has proposed mooring Southworth boats there, so NIMBYism is hot on both sides of the pond.  

  • Advocate for parks July 19, 2022 (9:11 pm)

    This comment has no basis in fact or reality  It is not NIMBY to advocate for the protection of a park or recognized salmon preserve. It is classist to take away public access to the water. In fact, NIMBYS would want the dock to expand northward as a means to protect private access to private property. 192 salmon spawned from that stream that, in fact, runs NORTH of the dock. Please, arrogant writer, go take a walk to cove park and see for yourself. Too lazy? The Fauntleroy association has done a phenomenal job documenting the vitality of the stream. There are three proposals that do not steal a public park or threaten the viability of a salmon preserve.  utilizing one of the three options is the only environmentally and socially responsible pathway for WSDOT. As Seattle continues to move towards mass transit and the reduction of single occupancy vehicles on the road, it is mil logical — irresponsible that WSDOT is not accommodating SDOT’s long term goals by bolstering mass transit and reducing single occupancy vehicles. The expansion of the dock just puts more carbon on the road by way of single occupancy accommodation. Absurd. 

    • s July 19, 2022 (10:48 pm)

      Advocate, you write “The expansion of the dock just puts more carbon on the road by way of single occupancy accommodation.” But the ferry actually reduces car emissions. If there was no ferry, each car from Southworth would be individually driving around the Puget Sound to get to Seattle, instead of sitting together on the ferry with their engines off. The ferry is basically one big carpool for cars, car passengers, and walk-on riders.  Ferries are mass transit.

  • D Spence July 20, 2022 (1:30 pm)

    Littlelord,I’m part of the “Save Fauntleroy Cove” effort.  I know there will always be people who want to undermine or belittle those trying to make a positive impact in the world.  I shouldn’t be surprised by input like yours but still I am.
    1.    My husband and I live about 1 mile from the Cove, not close to the water.  We are not wealthy and my husband is still working at 67 due to financial need.  Many of our dear neighbors are blue collar workers who support the “Save Fauntleroy Cove”.
    2.Review the options proposed thus far by WA State Ferries.  None of them include the area on the south side of the terminal.  Thus my comments about the north side.

    https://wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/max_1300x1300/public/2022-06/WSF-Faunteroy-Map-Alternative-C.png?itok=PO3_jQbw

    • s July 20, 2022 (3:08 pm)

      Blocking mass ferry transit is not a positive impact, regardless of your financial situation. You are narrowly focusing on Cove Park, but you have to look at the bigger picture: Expanding the ferry will reduce the giant long line of cars that creep along Fauntleroy, enable mass transit that takes cars off the roads, and allow thousands of people to more reliably get home, to get to work, or to get to a weekend getaway. Sure it would be great if we could both expand the ferry terminal AND have Cove Park, but we can’t. And Lincoln Park is right there for all to enjoy…all 135 acres of it. If that’s not enough, any of the Fauntleroy waterfront homeowners are welcome to bulldoze their home and return the land to its original beach state. Or at very least, take down the “private beach” signs that exclude the general public from thousands of feet of beach.  

      • expansion is possible July 20, 2022 (4:37 pm)

        1.) proposal B of wsdot’s plan extends the dock westward, into the sound. So if expansion is your wish, there are alternative proposals that do not take away water front access and impact salmon. 2.) another plan offers an additional holding lot for more riders. 3.) mass transit is only mass transit if it eliminates cars on the road. WSDOT is not reducing cars by ferrying them across. To reduce carbon emissions, cars would be left on cash on or southworth, and pedestrians would be effortlessly able to utilize public transit without excessive transfers or delays. The ferry does not eliminate single occupancy vehicles — and having it in a residential neighborhood makes it all the more challenging for infrastructure to support commuters. 

        • s July 20, 2022 (7:30 pm)

          Proposal B gives lower dock capacity than widening the dock. The Cove Park group doesn’t seem interested in either though, as their website states “Any expansion beyond the current footprint is unacceptable.”   With regards to ferries not reducing car emissions, they most certainly do. If you are in Southworth and want to go to Fauntleroy, you can take the ferry and have your car turned off for the entire ride, in a straight shot east, or you can drive in a 60-mile semi-circle around Puget Sound. 

• Uncle Buzz July 19, 2022 (10:20 am)

  Fauntleroy Creek currently runs under the dock and enters Fauntleroy Cove north of the dock.  

  • Fauntleroy Fairies July 20, 2022 (7:01 pm)

    That all depends on the tide. The Fauntleroy Creek “Reach to the Beach” is south of the dock. The creek flows through the intertidal zone, from south to north under the dock. It is only during the lower tides that one can connect with Fauntleroy Creek from “Cove Park” which is really a street end. The concrete paving that leads to the beach is colored to reference a creek… but it is impervious. Hardly a healthy riparian zone. If the ferry dock needs to expand to the north, WSDOT should replace beach access somewhere else.

• Kyle July 19, 2022 (11:01 am)

  We should expand the public ferry system to adequately meet projected demand over the next 50+ years. If that means eminent domain for some of this small street end /underdeveloped park so be it. The greater public would be better served by an adequate ferry dock. Lincoln Park has plenty of beach access for exploring and is much more popular and maintained.

  • John July 19, 2022 (1:31 pm)

    This is a magical area that has been slowly slowly changed and encroached on over the years and it’s time for it to stop. The Washington State ferries can easily add a second slip without having to widen the dock. If they can get more cars on and off the boats like they do on Vashon we won’t have a problem.

• IHEARTPARKS July 19, 2022 (11:07 am)

  Good thing there is a world class park within spitting distance to sustain the community while we improve infrastructure for our growing city. That website is pretty cringe worthy. But that’s just my opinion. 

  • Jim July 19, 2022 (1:32 pm)

    This place has been a magical spot for over 20 years now it used to just be a basic stand access and there were some geese that used to nest in the beach grass. When they did cove Park in 1999 and it was beautiful and they’ve gradually made it more restrictive especially with that pump station. Wiping it out is not the answer. They need to add a second slip to the dock then do their jobs more efficiently

• Mel July 19, 2022 (11:09 am)

  I’m starting to think this group is just people who live there and would be impacted by the expansion of the dock. Don’t get me wrong, if I lived right there I wouldn’t like it either. But it seems like a stretch to give all these other reasons.

  • John July 19, 2022 (4:24 pm)

    That’s not the case at all! I have plenty of neighbors who live close by but not on the waterfront and a lot of us are very upset about this. I’m not against improvements to the ferry dock but I think instead of being lazy and simply widening the dock and ruining the shoreline they need to add a second slip so that we can accommodate multiple ferries at the same time just like Vashon

  • Bey and Jay July 19, 2022 (9:30 pm)

    Not a resident of this beach or of the Fauntleroy neighborhood, and yet support preserving Cove beach park. I have appreciated this beach as a visitor, and salmon watcher, and have seen others enjoying it as well, including neighborhood birds.

    Some of us prioritize environmental concerns and preservation of special natural places over unnecessarily destructive solutions for convenience.

    Maybe a second slip is the answer, as others have suggested, sounds better than expanding onto the north shore, where indeed salmon have entry to their spawning creek.

    • Jaye July 20, 2022 (2:41 pm)

      100%! Lots of people of all ages love this little park (as do birds!). I’m far from wealthy, and I don’t live in the immediate neighborhood, but it’s one of those gems that make West Seattle a great place to live. NATURE is under threat everywhere. Let’s leave the park alone! Where can I submit my comments?

    • Ivan Weiss July 21, 2022 (6:45 am)

      “Unnecessarily destructive solutions for convenience?” Sorry, but you need to check that privilege at the door. You’re talking about people who need to get to work, to support themselves and their families, who have to find work where they can get it, and who have to live where they can afford to live. That’s not “convenience,” that’s necessity.

      If those jobs are in Seattle, or South King County, and those jobs can’t be done remotely, and if people can afford rent, or a home, in Kitsap County, guess what? They’re going to be using the Fauntleroy dock.

      And guess what else? There isn’t going to be any “second slip.” There is no need for one, just like there isn’t any need for a second slip at Southworth. Why is that? It’s because boats travel in only one direction from from both Fauntleroy and Southworth. From Vashon, boats travel in both directions, and sometimes they arrive at the same times. Hence the need for two slips there. Fauntleroy and Southworth don’t have that problem.

      I think it’s admirable that you value “environmental concerns and the preservation of special natural places,” but it appears that you also value condemning your neighbors to long lines of cars and trucks clogging Fauntleroy Way, some with their motors idling, impeding through traffic, sometimes blocking your neighbors’ driveways, and making life less safe for pedestrians and cyclists. Maybe it’s just me, but for me, the safely issues outweigh any others.

      A second slip does nothing to alleviate that situation. Widening the dock does plenty to help. It gets cars past the ticketing booth and onto the dock, which makes loading times faster. And IT GETS THEM OFF THE STREET! I haven’t polled the neighborhood, so I’m just guessing. But my guess is that many of the Fauntleroy Way residents would welcome some relief, any relief, from those lines.

      • Bey and Jay July 21, 2022 (12:56 pm)

        Encouraging fewer cars, via other potential solutions, can also help solve the issue you are describing of traffic and lines. There are people who would adapt to an alternative to driving across if there were more options that worked for people. Not everyone is commuting long distances after crossing, bit do understand and respect that this is the only workable option for some. There may be alternatives to expanding onto the north shore, and my preference would be to explore that. Nowhere did I say that the car ferry should be eliminated, but clearly this is a sensitive subject, with some differing perspecrives. Regarding your privilege comment, that’s an interesting thing to cast, considering the perspective that no one should find ways to flex or adapt for the betterment of the environment, community, and planet, if driving would be most convenient.

• Ivan Weiss July 19, 2022 (5:18 pm)

  A second slip is a secondary consideration. The primary consideration is to widen the dock so that it will contain more vehicles in the holding area, off of Fauntleroy Way SW.

  This is first and foremost a safety issue. Either residents want those cars in the holding line off the street, or they don’t. If they do, then I don’t know how that happens without sacrificing the park. Lengthening the dock to preserve the park means walk-ons have that much farther to walk to get to the boat. That’s not such a hot deal for the elderly, or for people who use wheelchairs, or are otherwise mobility-impaired.

  If people want to preserve the park at all costs, and don’t give a rip about people who use the ferries, then they should say so up front. I see some have already. How considerate of them, when they already have Lincoln Park right next door.

  Even if Vashon’s population doesn’t grow so rapidly, because of the water situation, Kitsap County can expect a boom in the next decades, which means many more people will want to use the Fauntleroy terminal, because Southworth will be far more convenient to them than Bremerton. For those of you who might be in denial about that, I have two words for you: Climate refugees.

  And for those of you who insist on preserving the fantasy that the ferries could “just go downtown,” they couldn’t. Colman Dock is maxed out, less of Fauntleroy traffic goes downtown than people think, as it is, and the last thing downtown Seattle needs is more vehicle traffic dumped onto downtown streets.

  If we could expand the Fauntleroy Dock and keep Cove Park, I’d be all for it. But having used that dock regularly now for 46 years, I don’t see how it’s possible to do that without sacrificing safety. If you have ideas, I’d be all ears.

  • Bey and Jay July 19, 2022 (9:41 pm)

    Just because more people want to drive and take these ferries doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right thing to do, to expand without careful considerations for the environment and efforts to preserve what we can.

    Maybe if the water taxi service could be expanded with a regular route offered between Vashon and WS, and increased bus and shuttle service on either side, some would opt for this rather than driving on, and would help ease traffic. Would bet Vashon would appreciate fewer cars driving over and traffic on their highways, too.

    • Bey and Jay July 19, 2022 (9:53 pm)

      Also, maybe an e bike share or scooter program specific to the ferry dock on either side could help reduce car traffic?

• Fauntleroy Fairies July 19, 2022 (5:18 pm)

  We live close to the Fauntleroy Ferry dock, and have a background in conservation and community development. There are lots of different opinions out there, and many neighbors are afraid the project will become a blight on the neighborhood, impacting property values, and creating even more traffic challenges for local residents. Construction will be challenging. There are no easy answers–but it is clear this project is going to happen– and there might be an opportunity to shape this updated terminal in a positive way. We want to encourage folks to think creatively about how this project could enhance the community. We’d like WSF to

  1. MODEL EXCELLENT STEWARDSHIP OF OUR ENVIRONMENT  We know a lot more now about environmental sustainability than we did when the dock was built 70+ years ago. It will be great to get the creosote pilings out of the water. Creating larger openings between pilings will allow for the drift logs and sand to move north under the dock, along the shoreline towards Lincoln Park. 

  This project is an opportunity to make the ferry terminal greener. The state invests millions of dollars each year to protect and restore Puget Sound nearshore habitat and advance salmon recovery. This project should demonstrate excellence in environmental stewardship. To that end:

  • Minimize the overwater structure size and its impacts on nearshore habitat. Recent work on the Seattle waterfront seeks to find innovations that improve salmon survival as they migrate out to the ocean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MhEPHP6rWs&t=81s 
  • Use technology to mimic natural light under the dock to reduce impacts to the salmon migrating along the shore.
  • Design the dock and facility with rain gardens to treat the stormwater run off before it drains into Puget Sound.
  • Plant lots of trees to create shade and soften the edges. https://youtu.be/yQ0mLSdz_78 
  • Make more room for Fauntleroy Creek mouth (South of the ferry dock) and the wildlife that shares our shoreline by moving the dock north of the current location. 
  • Preserve, protect, and restore Fauntleroy Creek’s “Reach to the Beach” —making room for a pocket estuary at the mouth.
  • Lincoln Park’s Colman Pool is located where there once was a pocket estuary. These micro habitats are really important—where  juvenile salmon can find protected waters to rear and grow as they migrate out to the Pacific Ocean. Fauntleroy Creek’s “Reach to the Beach” once provided this sort of habitat, before it was confined by residential development and the ferry dock. 

  1. IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY:  Imagine how the project can be designed not simply to mitigate impacts, but to enhance the neighborhood.

  • Acquire property on both sides of the dock to make more room for the ferry terminal. This might also improve climate resilience, by removing homes that are vulnerable to rising tides.
  • Increase parking areas so fewer cars need to drive on the ferries. Create an inviting pedestrian connection between the ferry terminal and a parking area a few blocks away, like the one behind the Old Fauntleroy Schoolhouse.
  • Help reduce need for drive-on ferry service by improving multi-modal transportation links to move ferry riders efficiently to regional transit hubs, and to carpool and car share vehicles.
  • Replace beloved Cove Park (to the north of the dock) if needed for the new terminal. Relocate the Raven sculpture, bronze canoe, inscribed rocks, and paddling sculpture artwork to another area in the community. Instead of Cove Park’s concrete drive colored to represent a creek, protect and restore the “reach to the beach”—creating a natural area at the mouth of Fauntleroy Creek (to the south of the dock). 
  • Create a nature walk with interpretive signs to educate the community about the importance of these natural riparian habitats where coho salmon spawn, and many birds and mammals reside. Our growing urban population needs more open space. An urban wildlife area could provide a valuable connection to nature for those in the community that don’t have beachfront property.
  • Daylight the creek under Fauntleroy Way SW with a bridge or large box culvert. This would allow the street to be raised, reducing a low spot, improving capacity for high creek flows and offering climate resilience.

  1. STUDY FAUNTLEROY COVE NEARSHORE AND CREEK: WSF should gather data about Fauntleroy Creek and the cove to better understand the ecological function and inform terminal design.  Add a time lapse camera to both sides of the dock—focused on the creek—to learn more about our little pocket estuary and all of the wildlife that depend on it. Fauntleroy Creek is one of only five primary urban creeks within the City of Seattle. (https://www.seattle.gov/util/cs/groups/public/@spu/@conservation/documents/webcontent/spu01_003413.pdf) 

  

  1. REMEMBER OUR PAST: We believe Seattle and the State of Washington need to do more to recognize First Nations, including the Duwamish People, past and present. We are all on indigenous land.  https://vimeo.com/645586606

  To that end,

  • Invite and commission Duwamish, Suquamish, Tulalip and Muckleshoot Tribes to shape the terminal design with environmental innovations. Feature contemporary indigenous artists throughout the facility and right-of-way. Commission a large scale sculpture for the shoreline to mark this place and its history.
  • Invite and commission Duwamish, Suquamish, Tulalip and Muckleshoot Tribes to design interpretive signs with messages to share the history they wish to share, and inspire stewardship of our natural areas.
  • Look to the design and artwork at the new Mukilteo Ferry Terminal. While the scale of that building may be larger than what would be possible in Fauntleroy, the facility is stunning.  Inspired indigenous artists were engaged in many aspects of the Mukilteo project. https://lmnarchitects.com/project/mukilteo-multimodal-ferry-terminal 

  We hope WSF finds a way forward that balances transportation priorities, our neighbor’s interests, the ferry dock travelers’ needs, with those of our urban wildlife and the endangered salmon and resident Orcas with whom we share Puget Sound. WSF is hearing a lot from the local Fauntleroy community.We want WSF to hear from the broader community. People come from far and wide to take the ferry. We hope that you’ll share your perspectives with WSF, if you haven’t already.

• Diana Spence July 31, 2022 (1:45 pm)

  Dear neighborsIt’s great to see so much discussion and engagement on the subject.   Whatever happens it won’t be because of apathy.Until Friday I was associated with the “Save Fauntleroy Cove” group.  I do want to protect the salmon stream and little beach but cannot align myself with their methods.I agree that the unilateral and arbitrary renaming of the park to the “Children’s Park” without buy-in and permission from the county and interested parties is arrogant and panders to a limited audience.   I like children, adults, dogs, cats, fish etc.  But my preferences are irrelevant to changing the park’s name.The website needs to be refined in order to be taken seriously. A neighbor who works as a web designer spent a few hours creating a mock-up of what the website could look like but her ideas and suggestions were unilaterally rejected by the person who created it.

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