1-lane commute, day 1: Spokane Street Viaduct reaction


(“Live” eastbound West Seattle Bridge camera moved up to another story)
The first morning commute is in the books, kicking off up to six weeks with a key stretch of the eastbound Spokane Street Viaductt down to one lane, so the new 4th Avenue offramp can be connected. Commuters have been sharing their thoughts in a variety of ways, including this WSB comment thread, a discussion on the WSB Facebook page, and via Twitter. We asked SDOT for their take, and here’s what Marybeth Turner had to say:

With one eastbound lane closed on the Spokane Street Viaduct, we did observe backups this morning in traffic heading for the West Seattle Bridge. SDOT will continue to look for opportunities to make adjustments to traffic signals to improve the flow of traffic.

We expect there will be a period of adjustment while people get used to the viaduct lane closure and as more drivers use alternate routes. We hope that drivers understand that this six-week lane closure is an essential last step for the full opening of the new Fourth Avenue S off-ramp.

In an informal analysis of the reaction, what seemed to be most notable is that the backup lasted longer than the “normal” morning commute mess – a WSB team member had to head toward SODO for a 10 am appointment and reported it was still a slog; same thing tweeted by Rhonda from The Mortgage Porter (WSB sponsor). On the other hand, we have a few reports that it was better than usual in the very early going – Scott C sent a cameraphone photo around 5:15 am to that effect; this comment says 6:45 am was close to the usual speed. ADDED 12:10 PM: Here’s an e-mail report from longtime WSB’er Kevin McClintic, who saw it at two times during this morning’s drive – read on:

She had a Dr.’s appointment at 8:20 so not having done the morning commute in a long time and unsure of how the lane closure would affect things, we left Arbor Heights around 6:45.

Everything was fine at that time on 35th. One thing that seemed odd was that the intersection at 35th and Avalon was set to a flashing red. Not sure if that is normal before 7AM or there was some exception.

Eastbound traffic was beginning to backup significantly just before the viaduct exit – at 6:55. We had just enough warning to be able to cut across at the last minute and take the viaduct, which was running along at a very acceptable rate.

The Dr. saw us early so we were hitting the West Seattle Bridge from I-5 headed westbound around 8:40. The eastbound backup now stretched ALL the way across the high rise and beyond. We took a little detour and drove up Admiral to stop at the Safeway and the backup was ALL the way to the top of the hill, next to the viewpoint.

(Side note – We received a couple of reports about the 35th/Avalon light, which regulars know is NOT the usual mode – checking on its status shortly.) 4:40 PM UPDATE: From SDOT – “The traffic signal at 35th Ave SW and SW Avalon Way was not set to “red flash” intentionally this morning; it was due to equipment failure. Our traffic crews repaired the traffic signal controller and now the signal should be working properly.”

59 Replies to "1-lane commute, day 1: Spokane Street Viaduct reaction"

  • Debbie July 20, 2010 (12:56 pm)

    This is going to be the longest 6 weeks ever! I left my Admiral Way house 15 minutes early today – at 6:45, and the backup on the east end of the bridge was huge for that time of day. Lots more people taking the Alaskan Way viaduct now so that the Seneca street off-ramp has a long line too. Ugh

  • Lola July 20, 2010 (1:00 pm)

    I leave quite early in the morning 6:30 to go across the bridge and all was fine. I did the detour and took the 1st ave off-ramp as that is where the traffic had stopped. It was smooth sailing to get across to the on-ramp just up from 6th ave from underneath the WS bridge. I hope it will be that way for the next 6 weeks. :)

  • Brandon July 20, 2010 (1:08 pm)

    I went through there about 6:30 and it was longer then normal but not too bad, a lot of people were cutting down to 1st. I will be leaving earlier tomorrow though.

  • MousePotato July 20, 2010 (1:28 pm)

    This should be titled ‘West Seattle Bridge’ not ‘Spokane street viaduct’. C’mon, enough with the old school. I’ve been here for 20 years and I’ve never seen a sign that calls it the Spokane street viaduct. Move on so we know what you are talking about. It’s the West Seattle Bridge. Read the title in your screen shot….

    • WSB July 20, 2010 (1:35 pm)

      The screen shot is the actual main part of the bridge, the high-rise, MP. Closest camera we can get (haven’t checked back today to see if the Spokane shot is working again yet). The Spokane Street Viaduct is part of the WS Bridge per city change in nomenclature from “West Seattle Freeway” some years back. The city refers to the project as the Spokane Street Viaduct Widening Project http://seattle.gov/spokane so SSV it is – otherwise the subtitle is “the West Seattle Bridge between Highway 99 and I-5” … TR

  • ugh July 20, 2010 (1:36 pm)

    You said it, MousePotato!

  • Brandon July 20, 2010 (1:38 pm)

    @ Lola, Spokane was open to get all the way to the 6th ave entrance?

  • bsmomma July 20, 2010 (2:07 pm)

    YES! You can go straight on Spokane from the 1st Ave Exit off the WS Bridge! It looks so nice and purdy!

  • patrick pavey July 20, 2010 (2:13 pm)

    Made the trip twice this morning, first one was around 8:30 am. Was slow but expected and it was a bit later for the clearing of traffic. Made this same trip at the same time in the past and traffic was usually clear by this time of the AM. Second trip was around 10:30. Was clearer but still a mess coming downhill to the 1st Ave. exit. One big comment about the alternate routes. Took thenew lower Spokane route just opened. Big mistake, train was across Spokane and stopped for over 15 minutes. No relief with that going on.

  • Mags July 20, 2010 (2:24 pm)

    Despite all the warnings I completely forgot about the lane closure and took the WS bridge this morning about 9 am. It was backed up all the way to the top. I was heading for the viaduct but it was bad in all lanes. I thought most of my fellow drivers were pretty patient and courteous except for one gargantuan Tahoe that was driving in the bus lane. The buses were moving pretty fast via the bus lane though so that is the way to go if you can swing it.

  • lenguamor July 20, 2010 (2:30 pm)

    Right on, MousePotato. Enough with the confusing terminology. Why all of a sudden start calling something by an archaic name right at the time when people need clarity the most?!
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    It’s “the West Seattle Bridge” and “Spokane Street” for the street under the bridge – period, end of story.

    • WSB July 20, 2010 (2:36 pm)

      This isn’t even remotely sudden. The city’s been describing the project this way for more than two years. Our archive dating back to the first story of it in spring 2008 is Spokane St. Viaduct Project. Here’s the first story from May 2008.
      https://westseattleblog.com/2008/05/green-light-for-improvements-to-the-other-viaduct
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      When they put “West Seattle Bridge lane closure” up on the ITS signs, we were bombarded by people who thought that meant the entire bridge was losing a lane, from Admiral/Fauntleroy eastward, so Spokane clarified it. If you want to petition the city to drop the name in the future, as they did with “West Seattle Freeway” vs. “West Seattle Bridge,” I would suggest contacting SDOT or the City Council’s Transportation Committee, but this is how the project has been described, discussed, reported, etc., for 27 months (and the name of the section itself goes back who knows how long – I found this reference from 11 years ago, written by West Seattleites – http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19990407&slug=2953782 ) – TR

  • dsa July 20, 2010 (2:35 pm)

    Just in case anyone is having trouble with the pic, I think that it is from Harbor Island looking east. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  • SarahScoot July 20, 2010 (3:01 pm)

    Sorry, people, but the section with one lane closed is the Spokane Street Viaduct. It’s part of the West Seattle Bridge – a specific portion. It would be inaccurate of WSB to report one lane of the bridge closed, as it’s technically only one section that is closed.
    Do you get angry that people call West Seattle, “West Seattle,” and not just “Seattle”? West Seattle is a specific part of Seattle, just as the Spokane Street Viaduct is a specific part of the West Seattle Bridge.

  • Fabulousem July 20, 2010 (3:10 pm)

    I went through around 6:15 AM and it was clear as a bell. I usually go through there an hour later on normal commutes. It’s going to be a long 6 weeks if I need to leave an hour early.

  • Delridge Denizen July 20, 2010 (3:33 pm)

    Maybe they should just name each EB lane to keep people from getting confused. Greg Nickels is the viaduct exit, Nick Lacata is Buses Only, and Mike McGinn is closed to traffic for up to six weeks. So plan on using Jeanette Williams to get anywhere.

  • lenguamor July 20, 2010 (3:37 pm)

    And I didn’t understand it 27 months ago, either. And I’m not alone in that.
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    Simply referring to it as “the West Seattle Bridge, eastbound from 1st Ave to I-5” would have been clearer.
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    Is the object of reporting information of this magnitude to be clear, or to be “correct”?

  • ugh July 20, 2010 (4:01 pm)

    Awesome, Delridge Denizen! I’m taking Dow Constantine to the new Pioneer Square Saturday Market this weekend (or should it be Jan Drago now?).

  • lenguamor July 20, 2010 (4:01 pm)

    @Sarah: Does the exit from I-5 read “Spokane Street Viaduct”? No – it reads “WEST SEATTLE BRIDGE”. That is how the overwhelming majority of us know the bridge in its entirety, not by some archaic name with zero relevance to anyone other than SDOT planners.

  • ad July 20, 2010 (4:05 pm)

    Totally forgot to leave esrly today and I was 30 minutes late to work. And I had forgot my cell phone today so I couldn’t (illegally) call.

    Looks like its backed up right now (4pm), has it been backed up all day??

  • mondo July 20, 2010 (4:13 pm)

    I experienced absolutely no delays on my morning commute from North Admiral, down Admiral and to my office in Belltown. It took me no longer than it usually does — 20 minutes door to door.

    But then, of course, I *was* riding my bicycle.

  • MousePotato July 20, 2010 (4:26 pm)

    Please give me ONE screen shot of a (current) sign that says Spokane Street Viaduct. Show me that and I’ll be quiet….

  • bridge to somewhere July 20, 2010 (4:31 pm)

    A significant portion of the discussion on this news item swayed away from the point of the article: traffic on the Spokane Street Viaduct and/or West Seattle Bridge sucks!

  • Delridge Denizen July 20, 2010 (4:35 pm)

    Thanks, ugh. I think Dow Constantine is now the lower bridge exit lane to 99 south– it takes you out of Seattle and into the rest of King County.

  • WSHC July 20, 2010 (5:00 pm)

    Delridge Denizen: That is the funniest thing I’ve read on WS Blog, hands down. And a great off-ramp name idea to boot.

  • Smitty July 20, 2010 (5:15 pm)

    I still don’t get why they can’t move some of the lane seperator things before and after the closure to allow cars to use one of the Westbound lanes in the morning. They could put up those orange dividers between EB/WB lanes and slow both directions down to 15 MPH. Not great, but traffic would flow much better than it is currently – I would imagine.

  • Garden_nymph July 20, 2010 (5:18 pm)

    I like it Delridge Denizen! More aptly put however, Mayor Mc-Gin Way is closed to automobiles- indefinitely!

  • austin July 20, 2010 (6:14 pm)

    The people complaining about the name of the road must do a terrible job at functioning in society if it really gives them that hard of a time. Or maybe they’re just complaining to spread their misery around a little?

  • Jeff July 20, 2010 (6:38 pm)

    I left a 8 am and Fauntleroy was backed up past Oregon. My normally 25 minute commute to downtown took 1 hour. Not looking forward to the next six weeks.

  • Concerned July 20, 2010 (6:52 pm)

    The back up was terrible! I tried to go through at 11 am and it was still a mess! I listened to the Radio (KOMO 1000) (7 am – 10am) they didn’t say too much about it … in fact said they ran out of time to tell about West Seattle!!! But let me tell you they sure let us know when the Bellevue traffic was bad! It all comes back to when I worked on Beacon Hill … a 7 mile drive that often took an hour! … now I remember why I quit working there!!!

  • BG July 20, 2010 (7:16 pm)

    at 4 am it was perfectly clear

  • Mack July 20, 2010 (7:16 pm)

    My commute over the Jeannette Williams Memorial bridge was fine. Have drivers even considered taking a bus or carpooling? It’s only for 6 weeks!

  • Kassandra July 20, 2010 (7:41 pm)

    I am planning to bike from West Seattle to Capitol Hill tomorrow. Can any of you experienced cyclists tell me if 4th Ave S. is the best way to get downtown? And do the train backups affect the bicycle route on Lower Spokane St? Advice is much appreciated!

  • Kim July 20, 2010 (7:56 pm)

    Ugh and Delridge Denizen, thanks for the chuckle!

  • Julie July 20, 2010 (8:02 pm)

    People are getting upset at a name that acuratly defines what exists? what must they have gone through when we went from 1 west seattle bridge to 2?

    A definition of a viaduct is: bridge consisting of a series of arches supported by piers used to carry a road (or railroad) over a valley.

    A definition of a bridge is: a structure that allows people or vehicles to cross an obstacle such as a river or canal or railway etc.

    So, if you are having a hard time with understanding the differnce, please educate youself on the difference. We have both a bridge and a viaduct.

    Also, a sign points to a major identifiable landmark or destination, which is the bridge, a sign does not say: this way to the bridge, the viaduct, the Junction, Admiral District and Alki.

    I hope all can rest well tonight knowing we have both a bridge AND a viaduct that goes in and out of West Seattle. Learn the difference and your commute and living will be easier.

    Julie – born and raised and educated in West Seattle

  • JayDee July 20, 2010 (8:23 pm)

    Our buses run on the same streets as the cars, so if the backup on the “Freeway””Bridge””whatever” reaches the Delridge or Admiral Way onramps, the 56, 55, 54, 116, and 120 (I think) are just as hosed because the buses have to enter the on-ramps from their last stop. I suspect the smart monkeys who were hosed at 7:15 will commute earlier tomorrow…

  • Eddie July 20, 2010 (8:31 pm)

    Kassandra – your best bike route into town is going up Alaska way, and then turning east at Atlantic/Edgar Martinez way, or Royal Brougham, or even up a little further. I’d avoid both 1st and 4th. I don’t believe that they have reopened the surface streets below (whatever the above posters want to call that raised roadway), and it’s pretty crummy down there anyway.

  • Tom Rasmussen July 20, 2010 (9:57 pm)

    Kassandra: I hope I am not too late. I would encourage you to ride your bike on Marginal Way to Pioneer Square. If you are going to the south part of Capitol Hill take Jackson Street. Does anyone have a better route?

    Tom Rasmussen

  • Wbn July 20, 2010 (10:11 pm)

    Kassandra-go over low bridge and follow signs to downtown, it will take you to E. Marginal Way. bike that to Kings St. make R at 1st ave go up to pike and to Capitol hill. Enjoy! Should take about 25 min to get to King St.

  • grr July 20, 2010 (10:13 pm)

    I’m glad it’s motorcycle weather. It actually took me 20 minutes LESS to get to work on the EastSide this am by going down 35th to Roxbury, down 99, over to 405, and up. Motorcycles in the carpool lane are a good thing.

  • celeste17 July 20, 2010 (10:18 pm)

    I had to take Mom to the Dr. today and we left about 1:15 to make a 2:00 appointment and there was a small backup. Came home around 3:00 and the traffic trying to get out of WS was backed up to the bridge.

    If you can try the Water Taxi. It lets you off next to the Ferry Terminal where you can pick up a 16 or 66 and go up third ave or you can walk up Yesler to get a bus or walk over to the Ferry Terminal and walk the sky bridge over to 1st and catch a bus there. I usually take the 37 into town and then in the afternoon walk down to the water taxi and take it home. Yes its a bit of a walk but it sure is nice not to have to sit in traffic.

  • ad July 20, 2010 (10:31 pm)

    I just looked up my route to work via metro and light rail and it says about 1 hour to be in Columbia City by 9am. That wouldn’t be accounting for the new closures and then I’m not sure how delayed the 57 route is during that time; any insight? I think to add an additional 20-30mins?

    So here are my options:

    -Transit commute to work around an hour and a half, but with me being one less single occupied car on the bridge…And if others think this way, things will lighten up.

    -Drive as usual (45mins-1hr), solo.

  • bockrock July 20, 2010 (10:42 pm)

    Just focus on the fact after 6 weeks (or most likely 4 weeks) we will have a brand new lane. Isn’t it great that we have a DOT that is actually building something? I lived in Philadelphia for 20 years and today’s commute was the “norm”. 3-4 lanes snaking down to 1-2.

  • MousePotato July 20, 2010 (11:24 pm)

    Thank you Julie for your brilliant definitions. Wow, gosh, didn’t know what THOSE words meant. I’m sad to hear that you were educated in West Seattle.

    Doesn’t speak much for us….

    When you exit I-5 to West Seattle, what does it say?

    ‘You are now exiting to the viaduct that will take you to the bridge’?

    No.

    It says ‘West Seattle Bridge’.

    It’s one freakin’ road. I understand why they don’t want to call it the West Seattle Freeway anymore but it’s a freakin’ bridge.

    All connected. One LONG bridge with a hell of a backup on it but it’s still one connected and long BRIDGE.
    again, show me a street sign that says Spokane Street Viaduct.

    You say you were born and raised her. Good for you. What about the people that just moved here? An article titled ‘Spokane Street Viaduct’ would make a LOT of sense to them.

    Get over yourself….

  • dsa July 21, 2010 (1:03 am)

    From the official SDOT site:http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/spokanestreet.htm

    The Seattle Department of Transportation (SDOT) is widening and improving the South Spokane Street Viaduct—the 60-year-old elevated roadway that carries 65,000-70,000 vehicles daily between I-5 and the West Seattle Bridge.

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (1:13 am)

    Still, no sign….

  • Smitty July 21, 2010 (6:44 am)

    Is there a sign anywhere that refers to 99 as the Alaskan Way Viaduct”? If there is, mp has a point.

  • homesweethome July 21, 2010 (6:51 am)

    at 9 am yesterday I made it from Admiral to downtown Kirkland in under and hour via the following route with no trouble, and I suspect far quicker than just sitting on the bridge. Take Marginal to get onto First Ave S. bridge, use Michigan exit to get onto I-5. Easy breezy. It adds a couple of miles to your route, but you’re moving.

  • bridge to somewhere July 21, 2010 (7:38 am)

    There isn’t a sign for “Alaskan Way Viaduct” anywhere in Seattle, is there?

  • Huindekmi July 21, 2010 (7:45 am)

    Mouse… could you please show me the sign that says Alaska Way Viaduct.

    OMG! There’s no sign! All the signs say Hwy 99. It must not exist! And all these years I’ve been worried about it falling down. That’s not a problem now, since it doesn’t really exist.

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (8:42 am)

    That’s exactly why I do not drive on the ‘Alaska Way Viaduct’.

    I drive on HWY 99…

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (8:47 am)

    Just call it what it is.

    Not what it was….

  • bridge to somewhere July 21, 2010 (8:52 am)

    oy vey.

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (9:10 am)

    Or, put up some signs….

  • mondo July 21, 2010 (1:48 pm)

    MousePotato: Is there a sign in front of your house that reads “troll”?

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (4:27 pm)

    I post. You may not like my posts but I post.

    I think you might need to understand the definition of the word before you use it….

    Speaking of trolls, where did YOU come from….?

  • James July 21, 2010 (5:57 pm)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

    “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

    Yeah, I’d say that definition fits you, MP.

  • MousePotato July 21, 2010 (9:09 pm)

    I was on topic until my points were disputed. Mondo and several others (including you James) have posted NOTHING that relates to the topic.

    Really? Would you send your kid to school with a report based on wikipedia? Now THAT is some reliable data….

    Get on topic and stay off my back.

    It’s the West Seattle Bridge.

    Nothing more, nothing less….

  • mondo July 23, 2010 (1:14 am)

    Show me where you were on topic, @MS (the topic of the blog post being “reactions to the 1-lane commute on the bridge the other day”. All I see you doing is blabbering about the correct name of the bridge. I posted my reaction up above, here:
    https://westseattleblog.com/2010/07/1-lane-commute-day-1-spokane-street-viaduct-reaction#comment-744347
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    And speaking of the correct name of the bridge, you should try to get it correct yourself. The bridge was renamed last year to “The Jeanette Willaims Memorial Bridge”, in honor of this former City Council member. (@Mack wins a prize for citing its correct name!)
    https://westseattleblog.com/2009/10/video-you-can-call-it-the-jeanette-williams-memorial-bridge
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    There are even signs posted at each end on the bridge (that seems to be your only criteria for discerning what a road is called). Furthermore, if you pay attention when you drive over the bridge, you’ll notice that the sign at the east end of the bridge is not near I-5; it is west of where Hwy 99 crosses over. So, if that’s the end of the bridge, what do you call the section of elevated road between the east end of the Jeanette Williams Memorial Bridge and I-5? All together now… “The Spokane Street Viaduct”! Sure, there’s no sign stating this, but why don’t you ask the folks that own and maintain it? Or do you think WSDOT has it all wrong?
    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Local/s-spokane-street-viaduct.htm
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    WSDOT also appears to have the name of Hwy 99 incorrect as well:
    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/Viaduct/

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