Several articles are out tonight about two men the FBI hopes someone can identify. They apparently were spotted on several ferry runs. The FBI isn’t saying which ferry runs, but if you look at the second photo in this story about them (another site has a larger version here), the backdrop certainly resembles a segment of Fauntleroy/Vashon/Southworth.
I think they are from a sleeper cell that operates out of Microsoft. They are going to get us when we least expect it…
Have you seen the number of people who have installed Vista? That sleeper cell has already deployed its poison.
I’m sorry but they do look suspicious and their expression is hate filled. I would not want to run into them.
>>they do look suspicious and their expression is hate filled
Do they look suspicious because they have dark skin and might be Arabs? Do their expressions look “hate-filled” because you associate 9/11 with them, or maybe because some strange person with a uniform is taking a picture of them? You don’t know anything about these people, and to make negative comments about them is a blatant example of racism. The reason they were targeted is because of their actions (which are unknown to us). If you had seen what they did maybe you could make a judgment about how you perceive them. But you can’t make such a judgment based on their looks. I’m very sorry to see this comment and to understand that people with this mindset are amongst us.
“The reason they were targeted…” is the way they look. It’s a pattern- every few months the FBI or that other agency with the German sounding name (I can’t even bear to type it) reminds us that for some undisclosed reason, our ferry system is a “top terrorist target”. The reason is to keep us in fear and to keep (some of) us watching each other. I refuse to play that game- but others do, and the result is the pictures of the middle-eastern men in question being taken and spread around to the dutiful main stream media, who pick it up and run with the ball, doing their part to keep us in fear. (Full disclosure: I work for that very same MSM; I am thankful not to have been on that story this morning.)
Think about it- what would be accomplished by taking any sort of action against a ferry? I’m guessing an astronomical amount of explosives would be required to sink or disable one, and what’s the other option- hijacking one? “No problem sir, we’ll be in Cuba in a year and a half”; “Go ahead and take the wheel, sir, and drive this thing into the dock at all of 15 knots”. Until they are upfront about what the threat is, I refuse to play the fear game. A watery boat accident of some sort is scary, but the loss of our civil rights is even scarier.
A partial list of attacks on US interests by Arab Muslim fundamentalist extremists in the last 35 years or so:
1974: TWA flight 841 from Tel Aviv to JFK explodes in midair from a bomb placed in the cargo hold by Muslim extremists. 88 people killed.
1979: The US Embassy in Tehran is seized violently by Muslim extremists and more than 52 American citizens are held hostage for 444 days.
1983: The US Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon was blown up by a car bomb set by Muslim extremists. 63 people killed.
1983: Two truck bombs driven by Muslim extremists are driven into a barracks housing multinational forces there to provide stability during Lebanon’s Civil War. The soldiers are mostly from France and the US. 241 American servicemen and women are killed in the bombings.
1983: US Embassy in Kuwait is bombed by Muslim extremists.
1984: US Embassy annex northeast of Beirut is bombed by Muslim extremists.
1984: Kuwait Airways Flight 221 is hijacked by Muslim extremists. Two Americans killed.
1985: TWA flight 847 is hijacked by Muslim extremists. A US navy diver was shot and killed.
1986: TWA flight 840 is bombed by Muslim extremists on approach to Athens airport four American citizens (including an infant) are killed.
1986: Italian cruise ship the Achille Lauro is hijacked by Muslim extremists. A disabled 69 year old American is shot and dumped overboard.
1986: La Belle discotheque, a known hangout for US servicemen, is bombed by Muslim extremists, killing three people and injuring 230.
1986: American Pan Am flight 73 is hijacked by Muslim extremists. 22 people die when the plane is stormed by Pakistani forces.
1988: American Pam Am flight 103 is bombed by Muslim extremists over Scotland. 270 people from 21 countries were killed.
1990: Muslim extremist (PLO) attack on the US Embassy (in Egypt?)
1993: A Muslim extremist opens fire with an AK-47 on the gate at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Two employees waiting in traffic die.
1993: Muslim extremists detonate a bomb in the parking garage under the World Trade Center. Six killed. More than 1,000 injured. That same year, the FBI and NYPD also foil a plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the UN and Lincoln and Holland Tunnels.
1994: A Muslim extremist kills a Hasidic seminary student and wound four others on the Brooklyn Bridge.
1995: Five Americans are killed in a car bomb set by Muslim extremists.
1996: Khobar Towars in Saudi Arabia is bombed by Muslim extremists. 19 US servicemen are killed and 372 wounded.
1997: A Muslim extremist opens fire on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, killing one person and wounding several others.
1998: US Embassies in both Tanzania and Kenya are bombed by Muslim extremists killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000.
1999: A Muslim extremist is arrested on the US-Canadian border as part of a plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport at the 2000 Millenium. Intelligence agents around the world foil multiple other plots by Muslim extremists related to the same operation, including the intended bombing of a Radisson hotel in Amman, Jordan and an attack on the USS Sullivans in Yemen.
2000: USS Cole is attacked by a small boat (piloted by Muslim extremists) laden with explosives. Killed 17 US sailors and wounded more than 40 others.
2001: Muslim extremists hijack airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. More than 3,000 people are killed.
Racism or identifying the usual suspects. You decide.
They had to be doing something weird or the ferry deckhand wouldn’t have even noticed them. Now maybe the deckhand noticed them because of their ethnicity first. Who knows. Find them, ask them.
The PI has an interesting editorial and discussion about their decision not to post pictures. The Times is apparently avoiding the story altogether.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/archives/120406.asp
The FBI hasn’t accused these men of any crime. They’ve merely suggested that the men were acting suspiciously and have said they would like to speak with them.
I find it ridiculous that in the editorial the “old media” would cite privacy issues. Standing out on the deck of a ferry is a public place. In public there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
You’re 100% correct Aidan. What some people have an issue with (Dis) are infringing on civil liberties. The fact that there are multiple examples of Muslim extremists targeting and killing U.S. civillians is more than enough reason to simply question (not charge with a crime) them. I would rather infringe on 2 peoples civil rights than risk 500+ people being blown up on a ferry (and no, it would not take an astronomical ammount of explosives to destroy a ferry, valvashon …you just need it properly placed and it will sink like a rock).
I’m not sure who originally stated this, it makes perfect sense. While walking down the street you see a dog and it walks up to you a bites you. The next day you see the same type of dog and it walks up and bites you. The third day you walk down the street and you see the same type of dog and it bites you again. On the fourth day you see the same type of dog….if you don’t allow the dog to approach you are you stereotyping or simply being smart?
Think about it.
and…think about this…in one of the pictures, the one man almost looks like he’s smiling…and the other is squinting…maybe he just needs sun glasses. If I…being so white that I’m almost transparent….asked the questions or seemed “suspiciously interested in the workings and layouts of the ferry”…would someone give it a second thought? or would the captain invite me into the wheelhouse to give me a tour…
not every single person from the middle east is a terrorist…get over it folks…
I don’t really see this incident as racisim. These guys were identified as doing suspicious stuff. But the anecdotal analogy by Le House is practically a throwback to slave-trading times.
Dogs are animals. When we look at other humans as animals, treat them as animals, react to them as an animal would… we’re lowering ourselves to a sub-human, animal level. We’re supposed to be smarter and better than that.
And who lets a dog walk up to you and bite you, even once? (Don’t ask the CIA that question!)
Keith, I don’t see how you can equate my comment to slavery. My comment never speaks to “enslaving” anyone or anything. To bring slavery into the conversation in my opinion is to deflect the coversation.
Think about your comment “When we look at other humans as animals, treat them as animals, react to them as an animal would… we’re lowering ourselves to a sub-human, animal level”. Do animals blow each other up? Do animals purposely kill 1000s other animals in the name of religion? Do animals strap bombs to themselves and walk into the middle of the woods just to make a point? NO! Rather than lowering ourselves to animal level, perhaps need to raise our standards up to animal levels.
Your response cleary shows that you’ve missed my point. It’s not the dog/person that matters (you could replace that with a light switch/person and the light switch shocks you). It’s the repetitive amount of times that something occurs to you before you decide to change your course of action that matters.
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