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    I have a question,issue, rant what ever you may call it. We live on sw charlestown st and there is so much construction it is almost impossible to park or even leave the driveway because of the construction vehicles. So my son who came to check on me since I had just had surgery on Tuesday. Parked in the alley marked 30th between charlestown and bradford. His truck was towed by the property manager/owner who says it’s her parking for a closed business and is for lease. But parking maps and city says otherwise. Now while I’m aware he can contest the tow but is unable to afford to and has now lost his job as of today because he can’t afford to get his truck out of impound at 450$ since yesterday afternoon. And I’m not working due to the pandemic and am trying to find a way to help him since he had came to check on me my question to all is how can we as a community intentionally or morally justify making a hardship even harder and then wonder why crime goes up. I don’t know what her problem is but guarantee this I will not support her business no matter how many times she renames them. The last one was Duos. Which their patrons would park in my driveway and walk down and we never once had them towed. Nor vandalized. I believe the law is on outside with the proof at hand but just had to get that out.



    Did he park in a parking lot? If he parked in a private parking lot then there’s not really anywhere to go. If it’s a lot then I’d guarantee that it’s private since the city doesn’t really have parking lots and parking in alleys is almost exclusively private.

    Trusting city maps and the like is a mixed bag. They aren’t always up to date and I’d be wary about using them to prove that parking is private or public.

    Your son CAN contest the tow but he will have to demonstrate that it was unjust. Remember, you’re talking about a civil matter so the concept of presumed innocence is not applicable. As the plaintiff, your son has to argue his case. The property owner/manager has to defend that it was their right to tow.

    You ask about how we, in a community, can justify increasing hardship. Well, IT sounds like, at present, that your son was illegally parked. He parked where he did, presumably, because it was convenient, and because he figured there would be no consequences. Well, he lost the roll of the dice. If he’d found street parking somewhere and walked he wouldn’t be in this predicament. So, to a degree, he’s the author of his own hardship (as so many of us are). Breaking the rules leads to a response, be it civil or criminal. How can we, as a community, allow violations of those selfsame rules? So many these days behave as if the rules don’t apply to them politicians, insurrectionists cry that it’s not their fault when arrested and incarcerated, people simply running red lights and stop signs because they can’t be bothered to stop, Karen wanting to talk to the manager… The community not only has no responsibility to shield an individual from the consequences of their own prohibited actions. In fact, the community has the responsibility to enforce the consequences for those proscribed actions. If we don’t follow our own rules we are no longer a community but a loose collection self-serving individuals.

    If your son cannot afford to get his truck out of impound then he will certainly have a problem since those charges will increase every day. Additionally, if he chooses to contest the tow it will take time. This is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don’t scenarios.

    It would’ve been your right to have cars towed out of your driveway. I probably would have, but I don’t understand the statement about customers cars not being vandalized. Are you saying that they should be thankful that you didn’t vandalize their cars? That would unquestionably be illegal.

    As to not patronizing business: that would be your right but businesses often don’t own the building so not patronizing a business only hurts the business, not the property manager. The property manager only wants the space to be generating income.



    I agree with you that one offence doesn’t justify a remedy for another , BUT, you didn’t address his his original cause of his grievance: a commercial, for profit construction company turning a neighborhood street into an employee parking lot at best, or what I endured, a construction war zone with little or no regard to parking, noise, or even worksite public safety. Complaint lines to the the city’s permitting office does little to dissuade these companies for this kind if behavior.

    I have zero sympathy for construction companies or developers who trash a neighborhood the leave with their cash.



    I’m not not sure whether there is a private lot or not in the location but if there is then the property manager is within their rights to tow.

    If it was illegally parked in an alley then it needed to be a police authorized tow. In this case, if it was not a police authorized tow then the tow company broke the law and, while those costs are recoverable it can take time if not money and that doesn’t change employment status.

    Your complaint about construction personnel and their hogging up street parking is unreasonable. They have to park somewhere to do their jobs and as for trailers and the like they must pull use permits. Speaking as someone who used to park on the street to work on construction sites all I can say is suck it up. Public streets in an area with a burgeoning population is a lucky commodity. Especially since Seattle has decided that developers don’t need to provide off street parking. Construction is messy and contractors do what they can to alleviate it but it’s messy. As for public safety, well, cross the street.



    Trusting city maps and the like is a mixed bag. They aren’t always up to date and I’d be wary about using them to prove that parking is private or public.

    What an unbelievably crass response. Why wouldn’t the map be up to date? Did the city sell real estate to a private owner while we weren’t looking? The original poster has evidence and all you can do is run your mouth for paragraphs checking off every pro-business talking point in the book.




    Well, Scott, I wouldn’t say that I’m pro-business. Rather, I’d say that I’m a believer in property rights. Along with that, I’m not into the pearl clutching and hand wringing that goes on around here.

    The OP wants to believe, and convey, the idea that their son was treated unfairly and that may be true…but may not be. Could the tow have been illegal? Sure, but, given a look at the area on a satellite map, it’s probably not public parking. The right of way is public but that is only so wide and the strip of property beyond that is private. Just like the OP’s driveway. Alleyway’s are actually owned by the property owners but the city holds a ROW through it. It’s my money, based on satellite imagery, that the parking behind the building that housed Duos is absolutely private. Additionally, there are private parking signs along the wall behind what was Duos, stating that you’ll be towed by Westside towing.

    Maps that are available for general use are often marked as being for reference and will have some sort of disclaimer attached to them since they aren’t updated with every possible change.

    As to my multiple paragraphs: I prefer to have complete thoughts. I prefer to be clear. There are multiple point covered by the OP and I addressed them and if you don’t like that then you can sod off. You don’t present an argument to the contrary or try to refute what I stated,



    mark47n says…

    “…all I can say is suck it up.”
    “As for public safety, well, cross the street.”
    “and if you don’t like that then you can sod off.”

    THAT speaks volumes for the level of concern this poster has for our fellow neighbors. Not much at all.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by 22blades.


    I’m sorry this happened. But unless a parking lot has a public parking sign (and/or some way to pay for parking), it seems really clear that it’s not public parking. Whether the business is open or not, the owner has the right to have cars towed. They have no idea if someone is there for 10 minutes or hour and doing a virtuous favor for someone or if they’ve decided to park there long-term or abandon their car. And if one car parks there, it gives indirect permission for others to park there. Then they’ve got cars trespassing on their property and creating precedent for public use. They need to protect their investment. Parking has always been difficult over there, construction or not, which is why I don’t patronize the businesses over there as a rule. You mentioned it was an alley. If it wasn’t in a lot and it’s not a street, then there’s likely no “street parking” in the alley. I used to rent a home with an alley in the back. Was there room for cars to park there? Yes, in certain places. Was it legal for anyone to park there? No. Everything back there was attached to a property and not a public right of way for parking.



    People are getting on the bandwagon without reading the post.

    “The last one was Duos. Which their patrons would park in my driveway and walk down and we never once had them towed.

    So a business & their clients get a pass but when it’s a homeowner, stick it to him?

    As for me, I have had construction vehicles towed on a number of occasions from my property. 5 ton trucks are not cheap tows. They do it willingly. I’ll tell you, they sure sing a different tune when the shoe is on the other foot. I know who my neighbors are & I care about them.

    You are lucky to have a son that checks on your well being. I too have an elderly parent that I keep tabs on. It’s a labor of love that too many people with disabilities, health issues, single parent households, or employment challenged have to navigate. Best wishes to both of you…



    As a former project manager for a large construction firm I can say that I am more than familiar with the rules and regs regarding site safety and street use permits. Also, if you feel that a contractor is in violation, call the the contractor to let them know and then follow that up with a call to the city if you’re not satisfied with the contractors response. Beyond that, you can steer clear of the site.

    In another post, where you feel that I spend all of my time with a nail gun (speaking of assumptions) you conflate my lack of outrage for the the OP’s situation with my response to another respondent’s dislike for my comprehensive reply, which he considers crass, since I don’t believe a the maps referenced would necessarily be reliable or update enough to be considered evidence. A pretty lame rhetorical trick, really. I have no emotional connection to this.

    I’ve played illegal parking roulette and lost (never been towed, though, but my daughter has). Alas, public streets are just that…public. Private lots are, conversely private. Moreover, the towing notices and signs that say “parking for resident only” are pretty explicit, wouldn’t you say?

    So, fair or unfair, the OP’s son is stuck with the consequences of poor decision making.
    That the OP has chosen not to have cars towed from their driveway is on the OP. I stated much earlier that it was certainly their right to do so and I certainly would.

    Since you’ve chosen to malign my character in this thread I will say simply that I do care for my neighbors but that care has limits. My complete lack of outrage in this thread is due to the fact that the OP’s son, the person in this thread, took a gamble and lost. Lost big. All he had to do was inconvenience himself a bit and park legally a bit further away and walk a bit. I believe that the property manager had every right to have the car towed. That said, it may not have been necessary and may even have been spiteful. I don’t know, and, more importantly, neither do you. We are only seeing an extremely narrow sliver of the situation, the one that the OP wants us to see.

    You may now burn me in effigy and take quotes out of context.

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