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August 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm #731513
redblackParticipantmetrognome: i didn’t call you a nazi, nor would i ever. i beg your pardon.
read the quote from MBM’s post 18 carefully. it’s about the gradual erosion of civil rights under authoritarianism when people choose to be silent or do nothing.
the thing about benevolent dictators is that they can be overthrown and replaced by malevolent dictators.
and unions became political powerhouses in response to corporations and wealthy people buying government for themselves. when the very people you elect try to remove the rules that allow you to collectively bargain for good wages, benefits, and working conditions, you need to hit them where they live: at the ballot box. unions have the ability to reach working people – union and non-union alike – and show them who is fighting for their rights.
and let’s not forget that as recently as 90 years ago, american children were working in factories, mills, and mines. unions put a stop to that.
August 10, 2011 at 6:44 pm #731514
kootchmanMemberWell JoB … that friendly fire in the back analogy?…how about a leader of charisma, bravery, skill, and competency and true care and concern for the welfare of his men (and women)…they get followed…in fact, are protected. Wishy washy, arrogant, ass kissing, concerned about their next promotion…officers? Now THEY have something to worry about.
August 10, 2011 at 6:53 pm #731515
kootchmanMemberHere is a brave leader… ” I know we have problems. No solution will satisfy everyone. Therefore, I asked for a bi-partisan committee, co-chaired by two esteemed men. I charged them to spend as much time as needed, granted them access and resources to all the organs of this government, to provide a non-partisan program to restore this country to health and prosperity.” I have received that report. I am going to charge my party, of which I am the titular head, to being it forth on the floor of the US House of Representatives and proceed forward to restore faith and hope and create durable, meaningful jobs for all Americans.”
August 10, 2011 at 7:05 pm #731516
kootchmanMemberWe got… Ohhhh Nancy doesn’t like it… we have a super duper opportunity here to pass every piece of pork we ever dreamed of…we have no jobs..but, what the heck let’s pass national healtcare as the dream..do it behind closed doors…add over 1200 porkie pie riders, … forget jobs…we have constituents..special interest constituents… screw the Republicans..who needs em’? Shovel ready Jobs? Hell no.. we have the NEA, AFSCME, UAW to pay off first…surely we can’t ask them to tighten the belt buckle along with the suffering taxpayers? Not even for a couple of years..Throw a few trillion at Wall Street..because we let Freddy and Fanne secured home loans and the mortgage loans bring us to collapse.. Let’s spend the first two years pretending we are the “annointed by Chomsky” heirs to divine deficits and spending… jobs? Who needs jobs..and the list goes on and on an on.. He didn’t lead.. he kow towed… to the special interests of his left wing. He raised the middle finger to participatory democracy….. he was literally bitch slapped by Pelosi into the lawn chairs of the Rose Garden.. He had it all… huge approval ratings, a hopeful population, both houses of Congress, a large republican crossover vote, all the swing independents,..and even the hope that FINALLY a black president could lead us all and affirm that we had the ultimate symbol of triumph over a racist past… and he wimped out…. he “Didn’t Do the Right Thing”… he is a wimp.
August 10, 2011 at 7:07 pm #731517
kootchmanMemberHe’s a bleeder…and the sharks have the scent. Maybe after the feeding frenzy … Romney is a wish washy too… but I will trade the older wishey washy for a new one… on the outside chance.. he might do better… great choices a proven wimp? or a suspected wimp-in -the -wings….
August 10, 2011 at 7:15 pm #731518
redblackParticipantfunny. obama still beats “generic republican” in polls.
and he’s waaaay more popular than the republican house of reps right now.
i think you’re just projecting, kootch.
August 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm #731519
kootchmanMemberin your world he is…we have yet to see the torrents of campaign cash…and independents…they are better educated, they see cause and effect…and they want change… no one wants more of the same…the problem with Obama is… he now has a record. A poll is one thing.. who goes into the voting booth is another… I will take anger and frustration over… “he’s ok”, better than the options” to get out the vote…
August 10, 2011 at 7:27 pm #731520
redblackParticipantkootch: take your party back.
how about buddy roemer?
“We must stop exporting American jobs overseas, start protecting our best jobs now and begin creating new jobs right here at home. I have called for an end to unfair trade practices that are hurting workers and destroying local communities across our nation. China exports cheap products around the world made with a complete disregard for acceptable labor and environmental standards while we export good, quality manufacturing jobs abroad.”
i don’t agree with him on the ACA, but he makes sense on a lot of other issues. at least he’s not one of those “free” trade clowns and has some sense of pride in his country’s abilities.
he’s left of obama on trade agreements.
it’s kind of funny. i first heard of that guy on thom hartmann’s radio show, and i almost don’t care what party the person who wants to implement some protectionism adheres to.
i could get behind ron paul’s “no empire” message – if i didn’t think he truly believes that government hegemony is bad, but corporate hegemony is okay. well, that and the kooky anti-abortion thing.
August 10, 2011 at 7:27 pm #731521
kootchmanMemberWould you want to run on his record?
August 10, 2011 at 7:33 pm #731522
redblackParticipantobama’s? sure. he’s accomplished a lot of minor victories for average people.
republicans and the media, however, have turned him into the scary black man who wants to take away your over-priced private health insurance.
i mean, if you seriously blame obama for tanking the economy, you haven’t been paying attention. he really wants to raise revenues – and he might be willing to cut some spending to get them – but he’s fighting entrenched and unreasonable republicans. and a lot of money.
i’ll ask again: what taxes has he raised? (even though congress does the taxing…)
want to talk about borrowing $500 billion from medicare to get ACA started?
August 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm #731523
JiggersMemberhey kootch..try and consalidate all your thoughts onto one post instead of posting five times in a row. There is an edit feature that gives you several hours to add or delete.
August 10, 2011 at 7:35 pm #731524
kootchmanMemberagain redblack… he had it… we paid for it… maybe some of you on the left should actually read it… Simpson Bowles…
Konw what? The abortion thing as you call it…it’s not going to be a deciding issue… gay rights? Not… those are social justice issues, and they are settled in the hearts and minds… Defense of Marriage Act… stooopid … but it didn’t change my conservative disposition…if we have to have em in the tent.. well… a pitbull in the circus… but not the main show. I can tolerate it..and not like it.
August 10, 2011 at 7:38 pm #731525
redblackParticipantif i was obama, i’d put my foot right up john boehner’s and mitch mcconnel’s butts. on the evening news. in prime time. i’d be telling those crackers, “this b.s. stops now. we are going to raise taxes on your campaign donors and their lobbyists. we are going to lift the cap on FICA taxes. we are not going to cut social security or medicare.”
then i’d ask them coolly and calmly, “now. do you have any other stupid questions?”
his poll numbers would soar.
August 10, 2011 at 7:41 pm #731526
kootchmanMemberredblack.. we are Wayyyyypast minor victories to trot out to our base… that’s the problem..we have symbolism and a 9.1 unemployment rate… see the headlines yesterday re” WA state… ANOTHER 1.7 billion round of cuts… funny how when people are unemployed…they stop spending. Now where do you suppose that across the board 10% cut will come from?
August 10, 2011 at 7:41 pm #731527
kootchmanMemberI like doing it my way… are their some special rules I can’t?
August 10, 2011 at 7:45 pm #731528
redblackParticipantNow where do you suppose that across the board 10% cut will come from?
well, god forbid we ask a little more of boeing, starbucks, or microsoft.
August 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm #731529
kootchmanMemberOne he won’t do it… two he no longer has the majority to do it. Three we have an overspending problem… that is how most of America sees it… you are going to get the chance to raise taxes..ONLY after Americans feel they can trust the Federal Government to spend wisely, carefully.. it is the Simpson Bowles report… they agreed… eliminate loopholes (appearance of “fairness” and increased revenues” but there is lots of red meat in their for conservatives too… too much duplication, too much waste fraud and abuse, too much regulation… it’s a “compromise” document…underpinned with principal. Get some cajones Mr. Prez,,, ginning up “tough talk” speech with no actions? We have seen two years of that… don’t forget to blame Bush too…
August 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm #731530
kootchmanMemberPS… the networks think he is such a buffon…they won’t even carry him in prime time anymore.. so much for the “power” of the oval office… he has trotted out to lecture us with so much fluffernutter so often the White House has been told.. no more prime time.
August 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm #731531
redblackParticipantcan you give me a concrete example of some regulation that obama or democrats have enacted that constricts or otherwise hampers business growth? specifically small business, if you please, since they employ over 2/3 of our work force.
August 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm #731532
redblackParticipantLOL about the prime time. he got it three weeks ago, and boehner – who isn’t usually afforded that privilege as speaker – got rebuttal time afterwards.
you better reread the rules and regs regarding the white house and media before you come tracking glenn beck’s latest turd through here. at least wipe your feet first.
August 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm #731533
kootchmanMemberredblack… WA state raises money by sales tax.. ” a little more” means YOU … a higher tax rate… perfect solution..and even the most right wing zealot KNOWS…sales tax increases fall hardest on the poor… you are going to lose your membership to the Liberal Club you keep talking like that. Sales taxes are the most regressive… course… you could raise the B & O tax right? You might get some day labor work out of it… loading the files into the moving trucks as Boeing shifts more work to SC, or Starbucks heads for Charlotte NC…. how about we just add a 10% wage surcharge to union scale labor on government jobs?
August 10, 2011 at 8:03 pm #731534
kootchmanMemberBetter yet… let’s suspend all that highway work …. and eliminate prevailing wages… WOW… that would solve the problem in a second… tell the GC tunnel crew…or Seawall GC..we want you to readjust your bids to reflect the cost savings of having non-union labor?
August 10, 2011 at 8:08 pm #731535
redblackParticipantsure, those companies could leave the state. but it shows you just how loyal they are to the hand that feeds them, doesn’t it? they get tax breaks, low water rates, low electric rates, and on and on and on. when we won’t lower the cost of labor, they leave the state. boo freaking hoo.
you asked me why i’m so business-hostile.
i’ll ask you why everything our government does has to benefit business in some way before it can benefit ordinary people. especially poor people.
then there’s this: what would you cut from the state’s budget? come on. be specific. you have this notion that we’re spending too much and we can’t raise taxes on anyone. so whose ox gets gored first?
no more platitudes. no more liberal-bashing. tell me what gets cut.
August 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm #731536
kootchmanMemberFirst set of cuts? The compensation packages of State Workers…and decertification of any collective bargaining of government workers.
August 10, 2011 at 9:00 pm #731537
kootchmanMemberDon’t watch Glenn Beck .. sorry. Too long on bombast for my tastes. Prez got it three weeks ago… how many times has he been on the tube since? half a dozen or more.. C’mon Even Peggy Noonan has called him out on his pointless, moralizing podium presentations…
I know why you are business hostile. I think it is a great thing.. that give and take sorta thing. You just explained to me how all those wonderful pension/benefit plans are for YOU… and then pilloried any business owner for looking for their own set of protections…for THEM.
Those companies you cited… except Boeing.. are intellectual companies.. what makes them valuable is the ideas and plans … the people. The are not capital equipment intensive. Ya think drinking water costs that much more in NC? Or the office lights? The will still be selling coffee here…paying the sales taxes.. what will be gone? About 1400 jobs.. high paying jobs.
We know why Boeing is leaving… their “Loyal” workers bend them over every single time they have orders to fill…what was it .. 3 strikes in 5 years? Think Boeing stockholders and management felt all the love and loyalty? By your reasoning… they received high paying, great pension, great working condition jobs.. they should have never walked out… right?
On Thursday, Jayleen Roman, a younger machinist on the 787 program, began a 10-day Hawaiian vacation with her parents. Her dad is a 28-year veteran machinist. They had long planned and saved for both the vacation and the strike.. Welcome to South Carolina.
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